Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the hole
in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
hole in the door, which was also too small.
So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
with the old latch.
"Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it with
a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
"Why would they do that?" says I.
"So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
"That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
"Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
"You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
No sh*t!
So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to do
the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only a
MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not go
well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding bit
and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with a
hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat -
gouges for an inch in every direction!
At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4 applying
the touch-up paint.
The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to think
that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product with
anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED to
go bankrupt.
George
In article <[email protected]>, Pop Rivet
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I know it's been said before, but...I disagree with using tax dollars to
> support failing companies, automakers, HD, or anyone. Too many companies
> are existing only on the public dole. This country of profit/loss and
> market freedom should allow companies to fail or succeed on their own and
> not prolong things at the cost of the taxpayer.
It's called corporate welfare. If *you* take money from the taxpayer
(government), you're a bum and held up for ridicule by the rest of
society. If a company takes exponentially larger amounts of *the*
*same* *money* from those same taxpayers (remember, there is only ONE
source), the CEOs get applauded by the shareholders, the media, and,
saddest of all, the general public. They don't seem to care whether
that money is in the form of bail outs, sweetheart government
contracts, or cushy entertainment perqs/bonuses for upper management.
I don't care either. It's all welfare. The companies are not paying for
those bonuses or box seats or golf club memberships. Because they are
all "costs of doing business" and therefore tax deductible,
*YOU* *ARE* *PAYING* .
Gerry
I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune but I wouldn't wish bankruptcy on
anyone. I've never been through it before but I know those who have. It's
degrading and sad. Obviously the company lacks in quality control but I
think bankruptcy is a little harsh. But that's just me.
SH
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the
hole
> in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
> hole in the door, which was also too small.
>
> So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
> with the old latch.
> "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it
with
> a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> "Why would they do that?" says I.
> "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
> he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
> standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> No sh*t!
>
> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
> lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to
do
> the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only
a
> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
>
> At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4
applying
> the touch-up paint.
>
> The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to
think
> that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
>
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
to
> go bankrupt.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
George wrote:
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
<snip>
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
By "companies" I assume your frustration is directed at the fat cats
upstairs who are running the company poorly, not the diligent blue
collars on the factory floor?
Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
support: Harley-Davidson.
Starrett makes a clever special arbor for to solve the problem you had.
The "Oops arbor." I think I paid about $5 for it.
http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/catalog/groupf.asp?GrpTab=Feature&GroupID=356
RB
George wrote:
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the hole
> in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
> hole in the door, which was also too small.
>
> So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
> with the old latch.
> "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it with
> a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> "Why would they do that?" says I.
> "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
> he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
> standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> No sh*t!
>
> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
> lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to do
> the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only a
> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
>
> At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4 applying
> the touch-up paint.
>
> The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to think
> that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
>
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED to
> go bankrupt.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
When AMF owned Harley-Davidson, a quick death was in order. Since the
employees bought the company, quality is up and they are in the black.
Grant
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> > allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> > support: Harley-Davidson.
> >
>
> But aren't they back in the black and employing lots of people? If that is
> the case, a little help is better than the entire workforce collecting
> unemployment benefits.
> Ed
In article <080420041031089393%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> In article <[email protected]>, Pop Rivet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I know it's been said before, but...I disagree with using tax dollars to
> > support failing companies, automakers, HD, or anyone. Too many companies
> > are existing only on the public dole. This country of profit/loss and
> > market freedom should allow companies to fail or succeed on their own and
> > not prolong things at the cost of the taxpayer.
>
... snip
>
> I don't care either. It's all welfare. The companies are not paying for
> those bonuses or box seats or golf club memberships. Because they are
> all "costs of doing business" and therefore tax deductible,
> *YOU* *ARE* *PAYING* .
>
You got it half right. Those box seats or golf club memberships are
not allowable expenses and are not deductible. However, you as a
consumer *are* paying for them when buy that company's products. You as
a consumer are also paying any and all of that company's taxes as well
when buy one of their products (you think they would be in business long
if what they lost money on everything they sold you or lost 100% of any
profits to taxes?). Do you really think corporations and company's pay
taxes?
Mark & Juanita responds:
>
> You got it half right. Those box seats or golf club memberships are
>not allowable expenses and are not deductible.
Probably half right again. In many cases, box seats and other corporate
expenses slip in under PR and advertising deductions. As an example, let's say
a company supports a race car with company name all over the thing (along with
7003 other smaller company names), being the main sponsor at, say, 20 million
bucks per annum. That's advertising. That particular expense may be tied to a
box rental or purchase and upkeep at one or more race tracks, which then
becomes an advertising and PR expense. While one can't call the entertainments
in these boxes particularly classy, unless canned soft drinks and beer and
plastic plates for food are now classy, they do tend towards the lavish and
large (why have 70 or so seats if they're not filled every time there's a
race?).
Charlie Self
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson
"Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune but I wouldn't wish bankruptcy on
> anyone. I've never been through it before but I know those who have. It's
> degrading and sad. Obviously the company lacks in quality control but I
> think bankruptcy is a little harsh. But that's just me.
> SH
>
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> >
> > After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> > doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> > five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the
> hole
> > in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
> > hole in the door, which was also too small.
> >
> > So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
> > with the old latch.
> > "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it
> with
> > a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> > "Why would they do that?" says I.
> > "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
> > he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> > I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
> > standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> > "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> > "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> > "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> > No sh*t!
> >
> > So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
> > lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to
> do
> > the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only
> a
> > MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
> go
> > well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
> bit
> > and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
> a
> > hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
> heat -
> > gouges for an inch in every direction!
> >
> > At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4
> applying
> > the touch-up paint.
> >
> > The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to
> think
> > that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
> >
> > A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
> with
> > anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
> to
> > go bankrupt.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
A company is made up of people, wishing them to lose their jobs is
just plain mean. wishing Bankrupt on anyone is cruel. Lighten-up.
Mike
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >>> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> > And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
> > thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
>
> Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
I think my dad & mom did and that we still are (via debt service on
the national debt). It was called the Marshall Plan if I am not
mistaken.
Dave Hall
In article <[email protected]>, Charlie Self
<[email protected]> wrote:
> the hunger, homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political
> restlessness
How you take money earmarked to reduce the above and give it to
industrialists was and still is beyond my comprehension. See my earlier
posts regarding corporate welfare.
If they gave the money more directly to the impoverished, starving
people at the bottom who have no "fat cat"/ government connections, the
economy would be more *naturally* kickstarted by their spending
activities. They have shown in several studies up here on our east
coast, where the cod stocks have "died", that they could give each
unemployed fisherman $40 000 a year free and clear and actually save
MANY millions of dollars of their job-creation money from going to the
government's corporate buddies.
Once all that money ($40K times thousands of out-of-work fishermen who
were industrious and will probably be again) starts getting spent, the
economy will kick in and take whatever new direction it must. They
don't need retraining in any factories that will probably be obsolete
shortly after they're built and which will certainly fold up their
tents and disappear as soon as the "job-creation", government funds run
out.
Those "new jobs" in those "new factories" will be yet another corporate
scam because, if they were really viable businesses, they would have
been created by demand and by corporate ingenuity long before
government largesse gave them the incentive, all that welfare money.
Gerry < rant mode off >
Dave Hall responds:
>> > And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
>> > thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
>>
>> Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
>
>I think my dad & mom did and that we still are (via debt service on
>the national debt). It was called the Marshall Plan if I am not
>mistaken.
I think the Marshall Plan was a tad more widespread than that.
"Even now a model for positive economic diplomacy, the Marshall Plan was a
rational effort by the United States aimed at reducing the hunger,
homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political restlessness of the 270
million people in sixteen nations in West Europe. Marshall Plan funds were not
mainly directed toward feeding individuals or building individual houses,
schools, or factories, but at strengthening the economic superstructure
(particularly the iron-steel and power industries). The program cost the
American taxpayers $11,820,700,000 (plus $1,505,100,000 in loans that were
repaid) over four years and worked because it was aimed at aiding a
well-educated, industrialized people temporarily down but not out."
Charlie Self
"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dave Hall responds:
>
> >> > And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
> >> > thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
> >>
> >> Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
> >
> >I think my dad & mom did and that we still are (via debt service on
> >the national debt). It was called the Marshall Plan if I am not
> >mistaken.
>
> I think the Marshall Plan was a tad more widespread than that.
>
> "Even now a model for positive economic diplomacy, the Marshall Plan was a
> rational effort by the United States aimed at reducing the hunger,
> homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political restlessness of the 270
> million people in sixteen nations in West Europe. Marshall Plan funds were not
> mainly directed toward feeding individuals or building individual houses,
> schools, or factories, but at strengthening the economic superstructure
> (particularly the iron-steel and power industries). The program cost the
> American taxpayers $11,820,700,000 (plus $1,505,100,000 in loans that were
> repaid) over four years and worked because it was aimed at aiding a
> well-educated, industrialized people temporarily down but not out."
>
>
> Charlie Self
> "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
> institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin
The question was who paid for the costs of unemployed german soldiers.
The answer I gave was we did (via the Marshall Plan). I did not say
that was ALL the Marshall Plan did. I didn't even intimate anything
negative about the Marshall Plan. It may have been the greatest thing
since sliced bread for all I know, but anyway you look at it, we
certainly paid the costs for those folks as there was no ability for
Germany to have done so for themselves.
Dave Hall
On 14 Apr 2004 17:24:17 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Dave Hall responds:
>
>>> > And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
>>> > thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
>>>
>>> Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
>>
>>I think my dad & mom did and that we still are (via debt service on
>>the national debt). It was called the Marshall Plan if I am not
>>mistaken.
>
>I think the Marshall Plan was a tad more widespread than that.
>
>"Even now a model for positive economic diplomacy, the Marshall Plan was a
>rational effort by the United States aimed at reducing the hunger,
>homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political restlessness of the 270
>million people in sixteen nations in West Europe. Marshall Plan funds were not
>mainly directed toward feeding individuals or building individual houses,
>schools, or factories, but at strengthening the economic superstructure
>(particularly the iron-steel and power industries). The program cost the
>American taxpayers $11,820,700,000 (plus $1,505,100,000 in loans that were
>repaid) over four years and worked because it was aimed at aiding a
>well-educated, industrialized people temporarily down but not out."
Curiously enough this is the only type of welfare program that has
*ever* been successful. Despite all the perceived unfairness and the
fat cats getting fatter it is only when the infrastructure is strong
that people have jobs. Obviously today's economy doesn't swing around
the steel and power industries (although they still are a lot more
important than many people think) but the basic industries that keep
providing the things people need are the things that make the economy
move. "Trickle down" may not work as well in practice as it does on
paper, but nothing else offers any hope of ever reducing the amount
the government pays out to prop up the economy.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On 14 Apr 2004 17:24:17 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
>
>I think the Marshall Plan was a tad more widespread than that.
>
>"Even now a model for positive economic diplomacy, the Marshall Plan was a
>rational effort by the United States aimed at reducing the hunger,
>homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political restlessness of the 270
>million people in sixteen nations in West Europe. Marshall Plan funds were not
>mainly directed toward feeding individuals or building individual houses,
>schools, or factories, but at strengthening the economic superstructure
>(particularly the iron-steel and power industries). The program cost the
>American taxpayers $11,820,700,000 (plus $1,505,100,000 in loans that were
>repaid) over four years and worked because it was aimed at aiding a
>well-educated, industrialized people temporarily down but not out."
>
>
>Charlie Self
>"If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
>institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin
Well said, Charlie.
It bears thinking about: Would a 'Marshall' plan instead of the provisions of the Versailles Treaty prevented the rise to power of
Hitler and the Nazis and perhaps prevented World War Phase II? Of course, rebuilding the European economy in the '20's might not
have prevented the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" and war in China, Manchuria and the Pacific might have still happened.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA
Hi Joe,
Sounds like a Canadian solution. I've fixed a couple of canoes like that
over the years!
Best,
George
"Joe Tylicki" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey George
>
> Found myself in the same situation about two months ago. Don't recall who
> made the original lock, it was my SIL's house, but I had to redrill that
bad
> boy to enlarge it. Ended up taking a chunk of tree limb (no scrapwood,
go
> figure) from her back yard and wedging it into the existing hole so the
> guide bit had something to bit into. Once the hole saw made a deep enough
> mark in the door, the tree branch was no longer necessary.
>
> Joe
>
>
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> >
> > After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> > doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> > five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the
> hole
> > in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through
the
> > hole in the door, which was also too small.
> >
> > So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada,
eh?)
> > with the old latch.
> > "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it
> with
> > a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> > "Why would they do that?" says I.
> > "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks",
says
> > he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> > I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with
a
> > standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> > "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> > "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> > "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> > No sh*t!
> >
> > So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the
standard
> > lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to
> do
> > the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with
only
> a
> > MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did
not
> go
> > well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
> bit
> > and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up
with
> a
> > hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
> heat -
> > gouges for an inch in every direction!
> >
> > At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4
> applying
> > the touch-up paint.
> >
> > The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to
> think
> > that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
> >
> > A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
> with
> > anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
> to
> > go bankrupt.
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
If there is a large difference, use you hole saw and cut a complete
patch for the door. Once glued in place, drill as for a new lock set.
James
Morris Dovey wrote:
> George wrote:
>
>> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit
>> the standard lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had
>> assembled the tools to do the job. The spade bit drilled the
>> hole in the edge of the door with only a MINIMUM of
>> splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
>> go well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place
>> for the guiding bit and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise
>> the drill, so I ended up with a hole that looked like it had
>> been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat - gouges for an
>> inch in every direction!
>
>
> George...
>
> Use your hole saw to drill the hole in a piece of plywood or MDF, then
> clamp this template to the dext door you want to drill. (:
>
>> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company
>> that DESERVED to go bankrupt.
>
>
> Well, sometimes the combination of greed and stupidity /is/ fatal...
>
Bubba,
You must be the Dalai Lama of woodworking!
> I've been replacing Dexter door sets in my 1980 Houston spec house. For
the
> first one, I turned a disk (with a small lip) on a lathe. The disk
exactly
> fitted the Dexter hole and provided a platform for a hole saw. Then I
> discovered that our local Ace hardware store has a nifty little kit that
> they rent out for $20 for 4 hours. The kit has a forsner bit and a guide
> template that clamps onto the door. Simple and foolproof, it takes about
3
> minutes to set up and drill a neat, perfectly positioned hole over the
old,
> undersized hole.
Your calmness and serenity in the face of days of needless work is awesome
to behold. And I'm not kidding! Maybe I need to meditate on this a little
and lighten up.
There's definitely a moral lesson here somewhere.
Thanks.
George
Ohmmmmmmmmmmm!!! :-)
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
to
> go bankrupt.
I'll have to agree that some companies deserve what happens.
Now on to your problem. The best way to drill the hole larger is to plug it
first. It does not have to be a perfect patch, of course, just a hunk of
wood that crosses the center so it will guide the pilot drill in the hole
saw.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only a
> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
>
Take a short piece of 2x4 (or 2x6 if you need more width), maybe 6 inches
long and drill a hole straight through with the bit that you need to use for
the larger hole. Clamp this piece over the hole on the door that needs to
be enlarged with the centers of the two holes aligned. Drill away using the
2x hole as a guide to hold the bit in place. It will make the hole without
splintering. You may want to drill halfway through each side to prevent
blowout.
>
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
to
> go bankrupt.
>
If every company that did something stupid went bankrupt, ......well just
think about it.
Frank
"Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> support: Harley-Davidson.
>
But aren't they back in the black and employing lots of people? If that is
the case, a little help is better than the entire workforce collecting
unemployment benefits.
Ed
Ed Pawlowski writes:
>"Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
>> allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
>> support: Harley-Davidson.
>>
>
>But aren't they back in the black and employing lots of people? If that is
>the case, a little help is better than the entire workforce collecting
>unemployment benefits.
Like the Chrysler bail-out of '80? Still in business, still employing people,
profits shipped to Germany.
Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message
> Like the Chrysler bail-out of '80? Still in business, still employing people,
> profits shipped to Germany.
>
> Charlie Self
I would assume that the profits are shipped to wherever the
shareholders happen to live, but that would have been the case even
before Chrysler was bought by Diamler (sp?). I am quite sure that all
of Chrysler's shareholders were not Americans and I am just as sure
that some Americans own shares in Diamler-Chrysler. In the publicly
held world there are no "American" companies or "German" companies,
just companies headquartered in Germany or the US or companies doing
business in Germany or the US or companies manufacturing stuff in
Germany or the US. Which of those you wish to focus on depends on your
horse and what's goring it.
Dave Hall
Dave Hall ends with:
>In the publicly
>held world there are no "American" companies or "German" companies,
>just companies headquartered in Germany or the US or companies doing
>business in Germany or the US or companies manufacturing stuff in
>Germany or the US. Which of those you wish to focus on depends on your
>horse and what's goring it.
The management is German; plants and other entities did a shuffle into Europe
in a bit of a rush.
Focus, horses and goring: oxen get gored; horses are whipped, but only after
they die; focusing is done with lenses (and I'm outta here: more eye surgery
this afternoon).
Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dave Hall ends with:
>
> >In the publicly
> >held world there are no "American" companies or "German" companies,
> >just companies headquartered in Germany or the US or companies doing
> >business in Germany or the US or companies manufacturing stuff in
> >Germany or the US. Which of those you wish to focus on depends on your
> >horse and what's goring it.
>
> The management is German; plants and other entities did a shuffle into Europe
> in a bit of a rush.
>
> Focus, horses and goring: oxen get gored; horses are whipped, but only after
> they die; focusing is done with lenses (and I'm outta here: more eye surgery
> this afternoon).
>
> Charlie Self
> "Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
> teething." Mark Twain
(Sigh) Yeah, Charlie, I know. Just was trying to be a little funny and
mix my metaphores and did a piss poor job of it. Too blatant to be
missed, not blatent enough to be funny.
Dave Hall
"David Hall" wrote in message
> (Sigh) Yeah, Charlie, I know. Just was trying to be a little funny and
> mix my metaphores and did a piss poor job of it. Too blatant to be
> missed, not blatent enough to be funny.
Well, horses do get gored in the bullfight ring fairly frequently ... and
I've known some pastured with cows to meet the same fate on more than one
occasion. :)
--
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Last update: 4/08/04
On 08 Apr 2004 10:49:46 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski writes:
>
>>"Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
>>> allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
>>> support: Harley-Davidson.
>>>
>>
>>But aren't they back in the black and employing lots of people? If that is
>>the case, a little help is better than the entire workforce collecting
>>unemployment benefits.
>
>Like the Chrysler bail-out of '80? Still in business, still employing people,
>profits shipped to Germany.
Ed didn't say anything about profits. There's more to our economy
than just profits.
Have a nice week...
Trent
What do you call a smart blonde?
A golden retriever.
Hey George
Found myself in the same situation about two months ago. Don't recall who
made the original lock, it was my SIL's house, but I had to redrill that bad
boy to enlarge it. Ended up taking a chunk of tree limb (no scrapwood, go
figure) from her back yard and wedging it into the existing hole so the
guide bit had something to bit into. Once the hole saw made a deep enough
mark in the door, the tree branch was no longer necessary.
Joe
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the
hole
> in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
> hole in the door, which was also too small.
>
> So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
> with the old latch.
> "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it
with
> a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> "Why would they do that?" says I.
> "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
> he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
> standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> No sh*t!
>
> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
> lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to
do
> the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only
a
> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
>
> At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4
applying
> the touch-up paint.
>
> The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to
think
> that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
>
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
to
> go bankrupt.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George wrote:
>
> > Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> Microsoft.
>
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Hardly....better the devil you know.....
Jon~
Hummmm.. I wonder if the companies that built, or market their products in
other than metric will survive?
And back to your problem, as stated by Morris, simply use a hole saw to cut
a proper sized hole into a thin piece of material, 1/4" plywood always
works well for me, and clamp it centered over you existing smaller hole.
The plywood will guide the hole saw. After the hole saw goes in to your
door 1/4", you may remove the plywood template as the hole saw will now
guide itself.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Kai Seymour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> > allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> > support: Harley-Davidson.
> >
>
> But aren't they back in the black and employing lots of people? If that
is
> the case, a little help is better than the entire workforce collecting
> unemployment benefits.
> Ed
>
>
Yup, I believe they are back and succeeding, but this is the exception
rather than the rule. The gvt claims they don't do it unless they feel sure
the co. will succeed but ... if the company could have succeeded, it almost
always would not need the bailout.
I know it's been said before, but...I disagree with using tax dollars to
support failing companies, automakers, HD, or anyone. Too many companies
are existing only on the public dole. This country of profit/loss and
market freedom should allow companies to fail or succeed on their own and
not prolong things at the cost of the taxpayer. HD is one of the exceptions
not because they were bailed out, and I didn't know that until I read this,
but, if the comments are true, it's because the employees took over and
saved a company with a legacy and lots of loyalty. Those type employees
would have succeeded somewhere else if they hadn't had HD to buy out. They
are/were dedicated people with intelligence and a will to succeed, which is
often totally lost with bailouts.
If a company isn't making a profit, then there is no need for that
company to continue making items that don't/won't sell. It's called one of
the arms of supply and demand.
Pop
Use 2 "c" clamps or similar clamps, one above and one below and cut the
piece of wood large enough that the clamps do not interfere with the hole
saw in the drill. 5" x 12" works well and remember that once the whole saw
is started in the door you no longer need the plywood guide. The guide
simply holds the hole saw steady until it has entered the door.
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But how do you clamp it? Wouldn't the hole saw interfere with the clamp?
>
> George
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hummmm.. I wonder if the companies that built, or market their
products
> in
> > other than metric will survive?
> >
> > And back to your problem, as stated by Morris, simply use a hole saw to
> cut
> > a proper sized hole into a thin piece of material, 1/4" plywood always
> > works well for me, and clamp it centered over you existing smaller
hole.
> > The plywood will guide the hole saw. After the hole saw goes in to your
> > door 1/4", you may remove the plywood template as the hole saw will now
> > guide itself.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I think you are reading too much nefarious intent into the lack of
standardization of hole sizes in door lock sets. Not every good idea
becomes accepted as the standard. Wanna buy a betamax?
I've been replacing Dexter door sets in my 1980 Houston spec house. For the
first one, I turned a disk (with a small lip) on a lathe. The disk exactly
fitted the Dexter hole and provided a platform for a hole saw. Then I
discovered that our local Ace hardware store has a nifty little kit that
they rent out for $20 for 4 hours. The kit has a forsner bit and a guide
template that clamps onto the door. Simple and foolproof, it takes about 3
minutes to set up and drill a neat, perfectly positioned hole over the old,
undersized hole.
"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> After rec.woodworking told me how to remove the old one ("removing old
> doorhandles" 28/03/04) I bought a nice shiny new doorhandle and began my
> five-minute job. But the new doorhandle latch wouldn't fit because the
hole
> in the door edge was too small. The knob assembly wouldn't fit through the
> hole in the door, which was also too small.
>
> So I get in my car and 20 minutes later I'm in Home Hardware (Canada, eh?)
> with the old latch.
> "Oh", the salesman says. "You have a Dexter lock. You can't replace it
with
> a standard lock. They had their own particular sizes."
> "Why would they do that?" says I.
> "So that you could only replace their locks with other Dexter locks", says
> he. "They thought they'd corner the market."
> I was a bit confused. "But doesn't that mean", says I, "That no-one with a
> standard lock would replace theirs with a Dexter"
> "That's right", he says. "A Dexter would be no use in a standard door."
> "Well where can I buy a Dexter lock?", asks I.
> "You can't", he says. "They've gone bankrupt."
> No sh*t!
>
> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the standard
> lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled the tools to
do
> the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only
a
> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding
bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up with
a
> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
heat -
> gouges for an inch in every direction!
>
> At hour 3 I was filling in the Bengal Tiger scratches and at hour 4
applying
> the touch-up paint.
>
> The door opens and closes with a satisfying "click". But I shudder to
think
> that I have another 20 of these stupid locks in my home.
>
> A company that deliberately made it difficult to replace their product
with
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company that DESERVED
to
> go bankrupt.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit the
>> standard lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had assembled
>> the tools to
> do
>> the job. The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with
>> only
> a
>> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did
>> not
> go
>> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the
>> guiding
> bit
>> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I ended up
>> with
> a
>> hole that looked like it had been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in
> heat -
>> gouges for an inch in every direction!
For future reference. Plug the holes with wooden dowels and then drill
the new holes.
George wrote:
> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit
> the standard lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had
> assembled the tools to do the job. The spade bit drilled the
> hole in the edge of the door with only a MINIMUM of
> splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
> go well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place
> for the guiding bit and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise
> the drill, so I ended up with a hole that looked like it had
> been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat - gouges for an
> inch in every direction!
George...
Use your hole saw to drill the hole in a piece of plywood or MDF,
then clamp this template to the dext door you want to drill. (:
> anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company
> that DESERVED to go bankrupt.
Well, sometimes the combination of greed and stupidity /is/ fatal...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:23:46 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>George wrote:
>
>> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
>Microsoft.
And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
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Kai Seymour <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> support: Harley-Davidson.
OK, I remember when HD was aided by some funky tarriffs on
Japanese motorcycles, but direct aid? Can you be more
specific about that?
I remember the Chrysler "bailout" also. As far as I can tell
the government never gave them a penny. Yes, they guaranteed
some commercial loans, but since Chrysler recovered and paid
those loans off there was any actual tax money involved, right?
Yes, there was some value attached to the guarantees, but I don't
see how that would have affected my taxes unless Chrysler had
defaulted.
Now, I am not defending these practices, but I really don't
like people saying tax dollars were spent when they weren't
really. Sort of like when people complain about cuts in
benefits that are really just non-increases.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Kai Seymour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> > allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> > support: Harley-Davidson.
>
> OK, I remember when HD was aided by some funky tarriffs on
> Japanese motorcycles, but direct aid? Can you be more
> specific about that?
>
> I remember the Chrysler "bailout" also. As far as I can tell
> the government never gave them a penny. Yes, they guaranteed
> some commercial loans, but since Chrysler recovered and paid
> those loans off there was any actual tax money involved, right?
> Yes, there was some value attached to the guarantees, but I don't
> see how that would have affected my taxes unless Chrysler had
> defaulted.
>
> Now, I am not defending these practices, but I really don't
> like people saying tax dollars were spent when they weren't
> really. Sort of like when people complain about cuts in
> benefits that are really just non-increases.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
actually, iirc, the gov't got some stock options at a sweetheart price for
those guarantees, and when cashed in, made a bundle of profit.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Kai Seymour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> > allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> > support: Harley-Davidson.
>
> OK, I remember when HD was aided by some funky tarriffs on
> Japanese motorcycles, but direct aid? Can you be more
> specific about that?
>
> I remember the Chrysler "bailout" also. As far as I can tell
> the government never gave them a penny. Yes, they guaranteed
> some commercial loans, but since Chrysler recovered and paid
> those loans off there was any actual tax money involved, right?
> Yes, there was some value attached to the guarantees, but I don't
> see how that would have affected my taxes unless Chrysler had
> defaulted.
>
> Now, I am not defending these practices, but I really don't
> like people saying tax dollars were spent when they weren't
> really. Sort of like when people complain about cuts in
> benefits that are really just non-increases.
or in reality, just slower than planned increases. i.e. if they were
going to raise some entitlement by 8% and it was only increased by 5%,
that, in modern parlance, constitutes a benefit cut. Cut the increase
to 4% and it is claimed to be a severe, drastic cut.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
>
Could you describe the clamping in more detail? Wouldn't the hole saw cut
through the clamp?
George
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> George wrote:
>
> > So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to fit
> > the standard lock that I'd already bought and by hour 2, I had
> > assembled the tools to do the job. The spade bit drilled the
> > hole in the edge of the door with only a MINIMUM of
> > splintering , but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not
> > go well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place
> > for the guiding bit and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise
> > the drill, so I ended up with a hole that looked like it had
> > been scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat - gouges for an
> > inch in every direction!
>
> George...
>
> Use your hole saw to drill the hole in a piece of plywood or MDF,
> then clamp this template to the dext door you want to drill. (:
>
> > anything else, Dexter locks is my submission for a company
> > that DESERVED to go bankrupt.
>
> Well, sometimes the combination of greed and stupidity /is/ fatal...
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
>
Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
> thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
George wrote:
> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
Microsoft.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:58:43 -0400, "George" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I re-read my previous post and realised that it sounded really flippant. But
>I did find your post helpful, and it did strike a chord as far as attitude
>to adversity is concerned. Thanks.
>
>Maybe I just don't have the temperament for woodworking.
>
>Best,
>George
>
>
I don't know that it was all that flip, I too don't like when some
company thinks their idea is so great that their "blurfl" doesn't need
to meet the standard, that it will in fact become the new standard.
Wrong! Some standards should be left alone.
Haliburton!!
Kai Seymour <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:22%[email protected]...
> George wrote:
>
> > Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> By "companies" I assume your frustration is directed at the fat cats
> upstairs who are running the company poorly, not the diligent blue
> collars on the factory floor?
>
> Having said that, I have a company for your list that should have been
> allowed to die back in the 80's but instead was kept on taxpayer life
> support: Harley-Davidson.
>
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 04:11:51 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <080420041031089393%[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> In article <[email protected]>, Pop Rivet
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > I know it's been said before, but...I disagree with using tax dollars to
>> > support failing companies, automakers, HD, or anyone. Too many companies
>> > are existing only on the public dole. This country of profit/loss and
>> > market freedom should allow companies to fail or succeed on their own and
>> > not prolong things at the cost of the taxpayer.
>>
>... snip
>>
>> I don't care either. It's all welfare. The companies are not paying for
>> those bonuses or box seats or golf club memberships. Because they are
>> all "costs of doing business" and therefore tax deductible,
>> *YOU* *ARE* *PAYING* .
>>
>
> You got it half right. Those box seats or golf club memberships are
>not allowable expenses and are not deductible.
Since when?
Have a nice week...
Trent
What do you call a smart blonde?
A golden retriever.
George wrote:
> "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> George wrote:
>>
>>> So I bought a door kit to resize the holes in the door to
>>> fit the standard lock that I'd already bought and by hour
>>> 2, I had assembled the tools to do the job. The spade bit
>>> drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only a
>>> MINIMUM of splintering , but drilling the hole for the
>>> doorhandle did not go well. Since there was already a
>>> hole, there was no place for the guiding bit and I
>>> couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill, so I
>>> ended up with a hole that looked like it had been
>>> scratched out by a Bengal Tiger in heat - gouges for an
>>> inch in every direction!
>>
>> Use your hole saw to drill the hole in a piece of plywood or
>> MDF, then clamp this template to the dext door you want to
>> drill. (:
>>
> Could you describe the clamping in more detail? Wouldn't the
> hole saw cut through the clamp?
Clamp the piece to the door: One clamp above the hole and one
below. Each clamp has a jaw on both sides of the door. The clamp
body should be at the door edge (NOT through the hole!).
The template hole should be located at the same height as the old
hole; but otherwise as detailed in the installation instructions.
You're going to constrain the hole saw using the template rather
than the pilot bit.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
In article <[email protected]>,
"George" <[email protected]> wrote:
... The spade bit drilled the hole in the edge of the door with only a
> MINIMUM of splintering ,
Spade bits should be illegal...use an auger, or better still, the
Stanley "Powerbore."
but drilling the hole for the doorhandle did not go
> well. Since there was already a hole, there was no place for the guiding bit
> and I couldn't think of a way to stabilise the drill,
Next time: take the hole saw off the mandrel and with a rubber mallet
gently tap it in the gauged and marked proper location for the new, and
larger, hole. Turn and continue to tap in the correct location until a
clear path of dings is formed.
Put the hole saw back on the mandrel and, with the drill motor in
REVERSE gently start to make the trough/cut uniform without letting the
saw "drift" out of the intended cut.
Once down an eighth of an inch, more or less, put the drill in forward
and have at it being particularly careful as you approach the far side
of the cut...since you won't have a "far side" pilot hole by which to
prevent tear out. Angling the saw off perpendicular, just before the end
of the cut, will create a slot by which to quickly locate the hole and
finish the cut from the other side.
How great it is to see "old women" on the wreck. Too bad they need to
encourage actual men to "cover their ears" when civil discussion is
taking place. Those who've gained the suffrage should really challenge
themselves to join into public discourse with men...particularly when
Our Nation's posterity is at risk.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >>> Post your submissions here for companies that DESERVE to go bankrupt.
>
> > And who would pay the food/utility/rent bills for all those
> > thousands of immediately unemployed people, hmmm?
>
> Who paid the food/utility/rent bills for all unemployed Nazi soliders? :)
Operation Ratlines: The Vatican and the Roman Catholic Bush CIA which
eventually created Saddam Hussein's Baath Party and assassinated JFK and
MLK to keep us in Rome's Vietnam.
See: "Unholy Trinity," Loftus; "Plausible Denial," Lane.
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But how do you clamp it? Wouldn't the hole saw interfere with the clamp?
George
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hummmm.. I wonder if the companies that built, or market their products
in
> other than metric will survive?
>
> And back to your problem, as stated by Morris, simply use a hole saw to
cut
> a proper sized hole into a thin piece of material, 1/4" plywood always
> works well for me, and clamp it centered over you existing smaller hole.
> The plywood will guide the hole saw. After the hole saw goes in to your
> door 1/4", you may remove the plywood template as the hole saw will now
> guide itself.
>
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