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brocpuffs

05/04/2004 9:13 PM

new table saw making some smoke

Hiya,

I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
dream.

One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
around 3/4" thick.

So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?

Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
doesn't seem to make much difference.

I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
help me out promptly and easily, here?

James
[email protected]


This topic has 10 replies

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philski

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

07/04/2004 8:00 PM

brocpuffs wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
> dream.
>
> One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
> side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
> heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
> around 3/4" thick.
>
> So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?
>
> Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
> doesn't seem to make much difference.
>
> I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
> help me out promptly and easily, here?
>
> James
> [email protected]
>
One thing comes to mind on the assumption you have aligned the fence,
blade and miter slots. How tight are you tightening the blade on the
arbor? If you tighten it too much the blade will cup. Remove the insert,
raise the blade all the way and put a straight edge first across one
side of the blade and then the other. And make sure your blade is
perpendicular to the table top.

Philski

Gg

"George"

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 7:26 AM

Rubs at top, once in the cut, stabilized. Sounds like a squirming blade.
I go the blade, too, though you might try one of those big precision washers
they sell for stabilizing.

"brocpuffs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hiya,
>
> I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
> dream.
>
> One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
> side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
> heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
> around 3/4" thick.
>
> So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?
>
> Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
> doesn't seem to make much difference.
>
> I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
> help me out promptly and easily, here?
>
> James
> [email protected]
>

JC

James Clark

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 11:36 AM

I grew up with a saw filer for a father. Dad could make an old saw work
better then saws right out of the store. I look at some of these new
blades with there slits and zigs, and I think its just fancy engineering
to accommodate for tension (the rim of a saw will stretch more then the
eye at different RPMs) on different saws.

I think if you want a good blade, get a good filer.
But hey, I've been wrong before.

David F. Eisan wrote:

> James,
>
> What blade are you using?
>
> Do you know how many "revolutionary" blades have been advertised in the last
> few years, and most turn out to be the same old crap in different packaging?
>
> Well guess what? Someone has come out with a new blade! Check out the new
> Freud "Glue Line Rip" blade, I think you will really like it and it will
> make some of your problems go away.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David.
>
> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>
> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>
> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>
> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
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>

JC

James Clark

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 11:48 AM

David

sorry for the rant, misread the post.

James
> I grew up with a saw filer for a father. Dad could make an old saw work
> better then saws right out of the store. I look at some of these new
> blades with there slits and zigs, and I think its just fancy engineering
> to accommodate for tension (the rim of a saw will stretch more then the
> eye at different RPMs) on different saws.
>
> I think if you want a good blade, get a good filer.
> But hey, I've been wrong before.
>
> David F. Eisan wrote:
>
>> James,
>>
>> What blade are you using?
>>
>> Do you know how many "revolutionary" blades have been advertised in
>> the last
>> few years, and most turn out to be the same old crap in different
>> packaging?
>>
>> Well guess what? Someone has come out with a new blade! Check out the new
>> Freud "Glue Line Rip" blade, I think you will really like it and it will
>> make some of your problems go away.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.
>>
>> Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.
>>
>> Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.
>>
>> rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
>> Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
>> Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar
>>
>>

JC

James Clark

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 11:46 AM

James

forgot to ask, how high do you have your blade? Some blades will
torsion if the gullet doesn't clear the top of the piece.


brocpuffs wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
> dream.
>
> One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
> side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
> heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
> around 3/4" thick.
>
> So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?
>
> Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
> doesn't seem to make much difference.
>
> I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
> help me out promptly and easily, here?
>
> James
> [email protected]
>

DB

Danny Boy

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

07/04/2004 6:25 PM

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:13:20 -0400, brocpuffs <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
>dream.
>
>One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side

>So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?

...going to the dealer and asking it be aligned properly. Otherwise
return it.

Dan.

DF

"David F. Eisan"

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 2:51 AM

James,

What blade are you using?

Do you know how many "revolutionary" blades have been advertised in the last
few years, and most turn out to be the same old crap in different packaging?

Well guess what? Someone has come out with a new blade! Check out the new
Freud "Glue Line Rip" blade, I think you will really like it and it will
make some of your problems go away.

Thanks,

David.

Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him.

Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me.

Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ.

rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/
Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Crowbar FAQ http://www.klownhammer.org/crowbar

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 8:45 AM

Could be a number of things but assuming a sharp blade and if you are using
one, I'd check the splitter alignment as the next likely suspect..

--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"brocpuffs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hiya,
>
> I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
> dream.
>
> One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
> side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
> heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
> around 3/4" thick.
>
> So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?
>
> Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
> doesn't seem to make much difference.
>
> I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
> help me out promptly and easily, here?
>
> James
> [email protected]
>

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brocpuffs

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 10:52 AM

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:51:55 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>

>What blade are you using?
>
>Do you know how many "revolutionary" blades have been advertised in the last
>few years, and most turn out to be the same old crap in different packaging?
>
>Well guess what? Someone has come out with a new blade! Check out the new
>Freud "Glue Line Rip" blade, I think you will really like it and it will
>make some of your problems go away.

Hi there David and all the rest of you :-)

The blade is a Freud! Also my cuts are through cuts, the blade top is
well above the top of the stock.It's a good one that has served me
well and I guess it's time to send it to the shop for a sharpening.

u-f-f-f-f-f, I make jokes about smoke re people who don't bother to
sharpen their blades. Guess it backfired on me.

I was fooled 'cause it seemed to be doing well on my old saw when it
expired. I read the suggestions about sharpening it with interest, but
I kinda thought files aren't much help on carbide teeth.

The blade seemed a little dull before. Somebody I asked said "nah,
it's good" but I believe you judge sharpness on the _sides_ of the
teeth, not the cross-width edges as he did.

I have more blades, some new, I'll try one of those on my next cut.
Gotta check out that glue-line blade now. Another new toy! :-)

James
[email protected]

JC

James Clark

in reply to brocpuffs on 05/04/2004 9:13 PM

06/04/2004 1:30 AM

Check your blade, could be bent, twisted, or dull (If the blade is new
doesn't mean it is sharp and true) or change your feed rate.

Just something to check.

When your saws cut wood like a hot knife through butter, thank your filer.

James

brocpuffs wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I've been trying out my nice new General International TS and it's a
> dream.
>
> One thing though, on rip cuts I get burning on the right side and that
> side only. It seems to be a bit uneven, that is the scorching is
> heavier towards the top and almost absent at the bottom on stock
> around 3/4" thick.
>
> So what simpleminded goofy thing am I overlooking?
>
> Tried aligning the fence (a great Biesmeyer-style, not a cheapie),
> doesn't seem to make much difference.
>
> I'm gonna dig around Google after I send this out, but can anybody
> help me out promptly and easily, here?
>
> James
> [email protected]
>


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