Lowes vs. HD....

On 12/5/2012 10:58 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
> "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>>
>>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>>
>> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> come way, way up in recent years.
>>
>> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>>
>> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> stock was very low.
>>
>> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>>
>> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
> True, I have little bad to say about the front-line help, given their
> abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
> persists.
>
> But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
> But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
>
> Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
> inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
> thing you or me can do about it.
>
> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
> often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
> prevails.
> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
> fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
>
wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how to
speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to really
prove your an idiot, keep cursing.

On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>
>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>
> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> come way, way up in recent years.
>
> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>
> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> stock was very low.
>
> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>
> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
an answer either.

Most of the stores around here are understaffed.

[email protected] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:05:00 -0800, Gunner <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 6 Dec 2012 03:00:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> >><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> >>>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
> >>>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
> >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Poor baby.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
> >>>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
> >>>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
> >>>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
> >>>>> dozen varieties.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
> >>>>> And your point was......???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
> >>>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
> >>>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
> >>>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
> >>>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
> >>>>> HD.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
> >>>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
> >>>>> rhyme intended.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> EA
> >>>>>
> >>>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
> >>>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
> >>>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
> >>>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
> >>>
> >>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
> >>
> >>Many don't sell to the general public.
> >>
> >>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
> >>
> >>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
> >>
> >>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
> >>
> >>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
> >>
> >>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
> >>>
> >>Sure. You're living in the past.
> >
> >Pretty much depends on where you life.
>
> Pretty much.
>
> >Lots of lumberyards, hardware stores and plumbing supply houses.
>
> I haven't even seen a real lumber yard or what I'd call a real
> hardware store in years. I never frequented plumbing supply houses -
> they didn't like walk-in business so I always avoided them.


I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
rejects.


> >They won't sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
> >someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
>
> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>
> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>
> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
> to take my dead presidents).


The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
:)

We weren't doing any HVAC work, we needed to block the sides of the
water chillers on the transmitter to bring the coolant to normal
operating temperature, before we flushed the transmitter and refilled it
with distilled water & antifreeze.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:03:04 -0600, "woodstuff"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Existential Angst" wrote
>> So far, +5 vs 0.
>> The latest:
>*respectfully snipped*
>
>Home Depot encourages homosexuals.
>
>I try to avoid HD because they don't share my beliefs. Please follow this
>link below and see if you agree. My principle is that homosexuality is a
>sin. Professing homosexuals constitute 3.7% of the US population but they
>seem to make a lot of noise. God has spoken and shown His judgement in
>Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.
>
>Those without a cloo about God or His Word will immediately jump in like an
>idiot and say I am "judging". The same people will say that I am
>"intolerant". I am merely evaluating behavior and noting that God approves
>or not; God already judged. I tolerate those who sin. I am not sure that
>their behavior is any worse than any other sin, my own sins included.
>However, I try not to give encouragement to any sin, as Home Depot does.
>
>http://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147496231

So dont buy at HD. No one really cares if you do or not.

Gunner

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>
>
>
>

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

"Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So far, +5 vs 0.
>
> The latest:
>
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> arbor vitaes.
>
> Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
> to glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> Goodgawd....
>
> Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> traumatic event for me.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
> is some corruption at work.
>
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> --
> EA
>

What some stores grasp and most others do not is that if there is always a
line at the registers, the sales volume will always be limited (one way or
another) by the number of open registers times the rate at which the
checkers ring stuff up. If stores want to maximize sales, there should
never be a line. If there is any line at all, pausing the line for 5
minutes for a price check on a $2.00 item makes even less sense.

[email protected] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >tiredofspam wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
> >>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
> >>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
> >>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
> >>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
> >>> the bank.
> >> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
> >> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
> >> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
> >
> >What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
> >
> The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly


Or a small mind that thinks it makes them look all grown up. :(

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>tiredofspam wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>>> the bank.
>> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
>> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
>> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
>
>What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
>
The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly

"Existential Angst" wrote:



> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
<snip>
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not
> ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm
> sure there is some corruption at work.
-----------------------------------------------------
You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.

Poor baby.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>
>
>
>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> <snip>
>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
>> is some corruption at work.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>
> Poor baby.

Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there are
plenty in stock in Westchester County.
Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.

HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a dozen
varieties.

And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
And your point was......???

MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD is
ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably incorrect.
I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.

My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no rhyme
intended.
--
EA


>
> Lew
>
>
>

"Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>> <snip>
>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>> there is some corruption at work.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>
>> Poor baby.
>
> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>
> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a dozen
> varieties.
>
> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
> And your point was......???
>
> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD is
> ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably incorrect.
> I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
> stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
>
> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no rhyme
> intended.
> --
> EA
>
They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.

"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 17:32:40 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So far, +5 vs 0.
>>
>>The latest:
>>
>>Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
>>with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
>>arbor vitaes.
>>
>>Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
>>to
>>glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
>>Goodgawd....
>>
>>Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
>>traumatic event for me.
>>If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
>>is
>>some corruption at work.
>>
>>HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
>>and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
>>corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
>>15
>>cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
>
>
> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.

You musta missed my response to Lew Hodgett..... HD gets it wrong *without
fail*.

But, anyway, what would pass statistical muster, in a HD/Lowes comparison,
O Statistical Swami??
--
EA

"(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>
>>Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>
> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> come way, way up in recent years.
>
> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>
> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> stock was very low.
>
> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>
> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.

True, I have little bad to say about the front-line help, given their
abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
persists.

But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA

Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
thing you or me can do about it.

Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
prevails.
Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
--
EA


> --
> Pete Cresswell

"Existential Angst" wrote:

> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> <snip>
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not
> ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm
> sure there is some corruption at work.
-----------------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:

> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>
> Poor baby.
----------------------------------------------------
"Existential Angst" wrote:

> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar,
> there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
------------------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:

Arbor Vitaes are garbage shrubs.

Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.

Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.

About the only thing they have going for them is cost.

They are dirt cheap compared to Yews or similar shrubs.

Lew

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

> Per Lew Hodgett:
>>Arbor Vitaes are garbage shrubs.
>>
>>Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.
>>
>>Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.
>>
>>About the only thing they have going for them is cost.
>
> Might be a location/climate thing.
>
> I took a bunch of cuttings from my parent's house at the Jersey
> shore, planted them along the sides of our house about 30 years
> ago and they've been doing fine ever since with little or no
> attention. *Really* poor soil: solid shale with a few inches of
> clay and rocks over it.
>
> OTOH, maybe the deer feeding on them over the winter has
> something to do with the low maintenance..... -)
>
> I wake up at nite sometimes when I leave the window open to
> "Chomp, chomp, slurp, slurp.....". First time it about scared
> me to death.
--------------------------------------------------------------
My comments based on events in NE Ohio (Metro Cleveland)
which has weather similar to NJ, but probably closer to CT.

Soil was basically clay that had the top soil stripped during
construction
of the development.

Lots of mulch along with some fertilizer helped things along.

No deer to keep things trimmed back then.


Lew

"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12/5/2012 10:58 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>> "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>>>
>>> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>>> come way, way up in recent years.
>>>
>>> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>>>
>>> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>>> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>>> stock was very low.
>>>
>>> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>>>
>>> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>>
>> True, I have little bad to say about the front-line help, given their
>> abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
>> persists.
>>
>> But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
>> But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
>> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
>>
>> Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
>> inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
>> thing you or me can do about it.
>>
>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
>> often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
>> prevails.
>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
>> fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
>>
> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how to
> speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to really prove
> your an idiot, keep cursing.

Obscenity begets profanity.... pretty much dat simple.
Sorta like fighting clean in a street fight -- dudn't make much sense, now,
does it?
If YOU are not driven to the point of profanity, then you proly don't really
understand the true depth of the problem.
Toughen up, dood.... it's way past the point of being polite, it's time to
get effing mad.

Oh, btw, that would be "you're an idiot", not "your an idiot"....
If you want to prove your an idiot, keep on not proofreading you're shit....
--
EA

"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>> >> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>> >>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>> >>
>> >> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> >> come way, way up in recent years.
>> >>
>> >> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>> >>
>> >> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> >> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> >> stock was very low.
>> >>
>> >> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>> >>
>> >Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
>> >Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
>> >an answer either.
>> >
>> >Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
>>
>> Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
>> stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
>> their personal expenses down.
>
>
> Some people just don't understand the concept of a WAREHOUSE STORE.
> Sad, isn't it?

What's sad is
1. The Warehouse Store don't know what's in its own warehouse.
2. That you STILL don't get this.
No surprise, tho.

Dood, I wadn't asking for a landscaping consultation, or an explanation of
nitrogen fixing in the root system of plants, a'ight?
All's I wanted to know was, Do you have effing Arbor Vitaes??
without being hung up on 3 times, in the span of 1/2 hr.
Thanks gawds for speaker phones, lemme tell you....
--
EA



>
> Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.
>

On 06 Dec 2012 00:20:12 GMT, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

>"PrecisionmachinisT" <[email protected]>
>wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500
>>>>>> HDs, and not ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who)
>>>>>> is behind that, but I'm sure there is some corruption
>>>>>> at work.
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in
>>>>> Westchester County.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor baby.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top
>>>> dollar, there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive
>>>> garbage, eh? Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun
>>>> only.
>>>>
>>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there
>>>> are proly a dozen varieties.
>>>>
>>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a
>>>> shot.... And your point was......???
>>>>
>>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the
>>>> phone from HD is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare,
>>>> and *almost* invariably incorrect. I've had them tell me
>>>> stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in stock.
>>>> Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>>> HD.
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport
>>>> with them. Esp. over here, where there are no Lowes to
>>>> keep them on their toes -- no rhyme intended.
>>>> --
>>>> EA
>>>>
>>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone
>>> calls. That's part of the reason the prices are low. WRT
>>> Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area are much newer
>>> than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are
>>> seriously deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for
>>> example.
>>
>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>
>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>
>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>
>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>
>>
>...And if you see me in a Home Depot (or Lowe's) I have hit
>rock bottom and have no other choice.

Yeah. Between them I've only spent a couple of grand in the last
month.

"Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So far, +5 vs 0.
>
> The latest:
>
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> arbor vitaes.
>
> Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
> to glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> Goodgawd....
>
> Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> traumatic event for me.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
> is some corruption at work.
>
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> --
> EA

500 Home Depots?

You know Home Depot has on-line interactive inventory. I look up what I
want on their website and then check the stores on-line to see if they have
it. Then I am not stuck with the vagaries of knowledge from a failed
contractor who works as a clerk at the store because they failed as a
contractor. If do need help in the store I look for the "old guy" who is
actually working.

If you mean the tree... arborvitae then they show 4 (1 discontinued) on-line
and they all say "on-line only." Took me about a minute to check.

The crappy pride in workmanship that you complain about is why I like to
check things myself if I can. I was raised that you do the job whatever it
is to the best of your ability no matter the wage. If you agreed to take
the money to do the job its immoral to do anything but a good job.

Per Stanley Schaefer:
> Might be a local
>management change is needed. And the HDs here have self-checkout, no
>lines at those, usually. Lowes doesn't, but opens up checkouts as
>needed.

On credit card sales under $50, our HD does not even want a
signature.

OTOH, the Lowe's I used to go to has the poorest checkout scheme
I've ever seen. Ironically, it is across from Target - which has
the fastest, slickest checkout scheme I have seen.
--
Pete Cresswell

"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
23:17:31 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tiredofspam wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>> >>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>> >>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>> >>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>> >>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>> >>> the bank.
>> >> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
>> >> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
>> >> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.

He's not cursing, just being potty mouthed. The real "trick" to
cursing/cussing/"ripping them an new one" is to be able to do it in
wards that can be repeated in mixed company.
My brother reported of hearing a master at work, during joint
operations with the RN. Seems one of Her Majesty's junior Captains
managed to come to the attention of Her Majesty's Task Force
Commander, over some - less than stellar seamanship, shall we say? As
my brother reported, it was a joy to hear over the Radio no less
(which is how he heard it, standing a communications watch.) as the
Senior Officer ah "rebuke" the Junior Officer. 'buked, rebuked,
dressed down, tear into, and leave no doubt at all as to the Senior
Officer's opinion of the Junior officer's skills, seamanship, ability
to command on of Her Majesty's ship, and probably his future career
ashore in solid waste retrieval.
As my sister-in-law said after a year in Wales "Over in the
States, [Monty Python, Blackadder, etc] are comedy shows. Over here,
they're documentary."
>> >
>> >What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
>> >
>> The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly
>
> Or a small mind that thinks it makes them look all grown up. :(

As Mark Twain said after his wife repeated his cussing "You have
the words, my dear, but you do not have the tune."


--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:03:52 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:05:00 -0800, Gunner <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 6 Dec 2012 03:00:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> >><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:[email protected]...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>> >>>>>> <snip>
>> >>>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>> >>>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>> >>>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>> >>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Poor baby.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>> >>>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>> >>>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>> >>>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>> >>>>> dozen varieties.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>> >>>>> And your point was......???
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>> >>>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>> >>>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>> >>>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>> >>>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>> >>>>> HD.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>> >>>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>> >>>>> rhyme intended.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> EA
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>> >>>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>> >>>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>> >>>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>> >>>
>> >>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>> >>
>> >>Many don't sell to the general public.
>> >>
>> >>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>> >>
>> >>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>> >>
>> >>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>> >>
>> >>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>> >>
>> >>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>> >>>
>> >>Sure. You're living in the past.
>> >
>> >Pretty much depends on where you life.
>>
>> Pretty much.
>>
>> >Lots of lumberyards, hardware stores and plumbing supply houses.
>>
>> I haven't even seen a real lumber yard or what I'd call a real
>> hardware store in years. I never frequented plumbing supply houses -
>> they didn't like walk-in business so I always avoided them.
>
>
> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>rejects.

Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
there, if picked over. ;-)

>> >They won't sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>> >someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
>>
>> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
>> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>>
>> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>>
>> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
>> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
>> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
>> to take my dead presidents).
>
>
> The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.

That makes three. ;-)

>They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
>manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
>station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
>refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
>yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
>column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
>:)
>
> We weren't doing any HVAC work, we needed to block the sides of the
>water chillers on the transmitter to bring the coolant to normal
>operating temperature, before we flushed the transmitter and refilled it
>with distilled water & antifreeze.

;-)

Per PrecisionmachinisT:
>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....

This is probably totally moot to anybody's point but...

A long time ago, I was refitting the bathrooms in our house with
new faucets.

I bought cartridge-operated ones from Kmart.

The same day, I went to a plumbing-supply store to buy a Delta
brand lever-operated faucet for the kitchen sink.

Out of curiosity, I put one of the KMart faucets on the counter
and asked "What's the difference between this and Delta?".

The guy behind the counter got red in the face and almost shouted
"*This* is quality and *that* is SHIT!"

It's been 30+ years since that day and I've never had a problem
with any of the bathroom faucets. Then I noticed that the local
gym where I went for 10+ years used the same faucets.

OTOH, I've had to rebuild the Delta faucet in the kitchen at
least five times..... -)
--
Pete Cresswell

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
wrote:

>On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>>
>>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>>
>> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> come way, way up in recent years.
>>
>> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>>
>> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> stock was very low.
>>
>> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>>
>> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>>
>Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
>Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
>an answer either.
>
>Most of the stores around here are understaffed.


Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
their personal expenses down.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Dec 5, 4:20=A0pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> "PrecisionmachinisT" <[email protected]>
> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> messagenews:[email protected]...
> >>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]..
> >>> .
>
> >>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>
> >>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy
> >>>>> issues.
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500
> >>>>> HDs, and not ONE Lowes.... =A0 I don't know what (or who)
> >>>>> is behind that, but I'm sure there is some corruption
> >>>>> at work.
> >>>> -----------------------------------------------------
> >>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in
> >>>> Westchester County.
>
> >>>> Poor baby.
>
> >>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top
> >>> dollar, there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
> >>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... =A0 perty 'spensive
> >>> garbage, eh? Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun
> >>> only.
>
> >>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. =A0And, there
> >>> are proly a dozen varieties.
>
> >>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... =A0so I took a
> >>> shot.... And your point was......???
>
> >>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
> >>> AND, this is not an isolated case. =A0Getting info over the
> >>> phone from HD is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare,
> >>> and *almost* invariably incorrect. I've had them tell me
> >>> stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in stock.
> >>> =A0Of course, much more the opposite case. =A0Never fails at
> >>> HD.
>
> >>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport
> >>> with them. =A0Esp. over here, where there are no Lowes to
> >>> keep them on their toes -- no rhyme intended.
> >>> --
> >>> EA
>
> >> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone
> >> calls. That's part of the reason the prices are low. WRT
> >> Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area are much newer
> >> than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are
> >> seriously deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for
> >> example.
>
> > If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> > If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> > If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
> > Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
> ...And if you see me in a Home Depot (or Lowe's) I have hit
> rock bottom and have no other choice.

Same here. First time I shopped at Home Depot in two years was a few
days ago. Rubbermaid had some very nice but expensive high quality,
heavy duty (Brute) storage bins. Got five of them. $20 each.

On Dec 4, 3:32=A0pm, "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote:
> So far, +5 vs 0.
>
> The latest:
>
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold -=
-
> with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. =A0Ultimately, n=
o
> arbor vitaes.
>
> Called Lowes: =A0No arbor vitaes, either. =A0But, it only took me 20 seco=
nds to
> glean this info. =A0Boom, bang, done.
> Goodgawd....
>
> Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> traumatic event for me.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> Lowes.... =A0 I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure the=
re is
> some corruption at work.
>
> HD is sumpn else.... =A0 I think shit service is their own personal artfo=
rm,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. =A0I'm sure seeing 3 out o=
f 15
> cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> --
> EA

With both Lowes and HD, I check online to see if 1) they have anything
close to what I want and 2) if it's in stock in the myriad of stores
in the area. In some cases, I've seen that they had adequate stock
online only to get over to a specific store and find that somebody's
cleaned them out between the time I looked and my arrival. So I go
hit another. Must have at least a dozen of each in the area, three or
four on the way home from work. For those items they don't carry or
for a quick trip, Ace is closer and has more oddball stuff, usually
higher prices, too. I can usually get floor droids to answer my
questions at both Lowes and HD, the local HDs were hiring guys with
trades experience for floor workers at one time. If you're getting
crappy service at HD, complain to the head office. Might be a local
management change is needed. And the HDs here have self-checkout, no
lines at those, usually. Lowes doesn't, but opens up checkouts as
needed.

Stan

Gunner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> >> Per Ed Pawlowski:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
> >>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
> >>
> >> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> >> come way, way up in recent years.
> >>
> >> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
> >>
> >> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> >> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> >> stock was very low.
> >>
> >> Now I practically have to fend them off.
> >>
> >> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
> >>
> >Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
> >Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
> >an answer either.
> >
> >Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
>
> Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
> stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
> their personal expenses down.


Some people just don't understand the concept of a WAREHOUSE STORE.
Sad, isn't it?

Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.

"Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
14:03:52 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
>> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>>
>> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>>
>> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
>> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
>> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
>> to take my dead presidents).
>
>
> The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
>They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
>manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
>station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
>refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
>yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
>column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
>:)

Gee, suddenly the don't want free publicity! Now that _is_ a
miracle. </snark>
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:47:45 -0800, "Bob F" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:25:05 -0800, "Bob F" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>>>
>>>> Many don't sell to the general public.
>>>>
>>>>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>>>
>>>>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>>>
>>>> They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>>>
>>>> Sure. You're living in the past.
>>>
>>> No, You are living in a cesspool. All those stores are easily
>>> available to me.
>>>
>> Proof: You're an idiot.
>
>LOL! you prove so easily that you are projecting.

IKWYABWAI is about your speed.

>Within 5 miles of me are 4 lumberyards, a half dozen plumbing stores, 4 hardware
>stores, plus the usual Lowes and HD.

Who cares where you live, or are you suggesting that everywhere on the
planet has as many lumber yards as your hell hole? You prove you're
an idiot with every post. Amazing.

>Keep looking in that mirror as you write.

You really are an idiot.

Existential Angst wrote:


> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.

Yup, an absolutely BRILLIANT strategy! Make sure no customer ever
sets foot in the store, and you won't need any of that expensive staff.

Jon

Ray wrote:
>
> Around here, Lowe's and Home Depot offers a 10% disabled Veteran's
> discount.


Year round, or just Veteran's day & Memorial day?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > So far, +5 vs 0.
> >
> > The latest:
> >
> > Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> > Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> > with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> > arbor vitaes.
> >
> > Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
> > to glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> > Goodgawd....
> >
> > Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> > traumatic event for me.
> > If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> > Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
> > is some corruption at work.
> >
> > HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> > and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> > corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> > 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> > --
> > EA
> >
>
> What some stores grasp and most others do not is that if there is always a
> line at the registers, the sales volume will always be limited (one way or
> another) by the number of open registers times the rate at which the
> checkers ring stuff up. If stores want to maximize sales, there should
> never be a line. If there is any line at all, pausing the line for 5
> minutes for a price check on a $2.00 item makes even less sense.

There's actually a whole branch of math that deals in optimal strategies
for managing checkout lines and the like. Google "Queuing Theory".

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:32:40 PM UTC-8, Existential Angst wrote:
> > So far, +5 vs 0. The latest: Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues. Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold -- with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no arbor vitaes. Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds to glean this info. Boom, bang, done. Goodgawd.... Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a traumatic event for me.
If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there is some corruption at work. HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform, and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart. -- EA
>
> I think it is clear who has the problem here. Your expectations are totally unreasonable. Lowes and HD both offer the same specific value; a huge fricking building full of deep inventory for all items they stock at reasonable prices. They are not offering good customer service. They hire people who can't get real jobs or are too old to want to work hard. Visit the store and buy what you find on the shelf or don't. That is clearly what they offer. Works for me several
times a week on average.

They do have some problems though. One time I needed a y-fitting for
the garden hose. According to the HD web site they were sold out, but
according to the Lowes site they had plenty in stock. So I went by
Lowes and nobody could find one of the blasted things. So I went out to
the parking lot, ordered online for same day pickup, waited ten minutes
for the email that they had it ready, walked in, and the same person who
couldn't find it handed it to me.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>rejects.
>
> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
> there, if picked over. ;-)
>

A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same or
lower...

--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...

IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find boards
to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're also
paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
cracked after 2 days of "picking over"

Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...

--yup, definitely a hard decision..

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>
>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>> <snip>
>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
>> is some corruption at work.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>
>> Poor baby.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>
>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> Arbor Vitaes are garbage shrubs.
>
> Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.
>
> Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.
>
> About the only thing they have going for them is cost.
>
> They are dirt cheap compared to Yews or similar shrubs.
>
> Lew
>

I kind of like leyland cypress for that sort of thing but admittedly, they
take up a bit more space.

Gunner wrote:
>
> On 6 Dec 2012 03:00:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> >>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> >>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
> >>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Poor baby.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
> >>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
> >>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
> >>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
> >>>>
> >>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
> >>>> dozen varieties.
> >>>>
> >>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
> >>>> And your point was......???
> >>>>
> >>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
> >>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
> >>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
> >>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
> >>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
> >>>> HD.
> >>>>
> >>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
> >>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
> >>>> rhyme intended.
> >>>> --
> >>>> EA
> >>>>
> >>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
> >>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
> >>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
> >>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
> >>
> >>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
> >
> >Many don't sell to the general public.
> >
> >>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
> >
> >I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
> >
> >>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
> >
> >They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
> >
> >>Anyone see a pattern here ?
> >>
> >Sure. You're living in the past.
>
> Pretty much depends on where you life. Lots of lumberyards, hardware
> stores and plumbing supply houses.
>
> They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
> someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
>
> They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.


There were lumberyards around here that required a copy of your
business license, and tax certificate before you could set up an
account. One now has very few customers, and a lot of 'OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC!!!' But after 25+ years of telling people to go away, they are in
no hurry to deal with them.

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
> 14:03:52 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
> >> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
> >>
> >> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> >> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
> >>
> >> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
> >> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
> >> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
> >> to take my dead presidents).
> >
> >
> > The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
> >They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
> >manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
> >station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
> >refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
> >yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
> >column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
> >:)
>
> Gee, suddenly the don't want free publicity! Now that _is_ a
> miracle. </snark>


Same deal I offered ATT Longlines when five of our ten our WATS lines
died just befoe a telethon. :)

"PrecisionmachinisT" <[email protected]>
wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy
>>>>> issues.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500
>>>>> HDs, and not ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who)
>>>>> is behind that, but I'm sure there is some corruption
>>>>> at work.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in
>>>> Westchester County.
>>>>
>>>> Poor baby.
>>>
>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top
>>> dollar, there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive
>>> garbage, eh? Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun
>>> only.
>>>
>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there
>>> are proly a dozen varieties.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a
>>> shot.... And your point was......???
>>>
>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the
>>> phone from HD is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare,
>>> and *almost* invariably incorrect. I've had them tell me
>>> stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in stock.
>>> Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>> HD.
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport
>>> with them. Esp. over here, where there are no Lowes to
>>> keep them on their toes -- no rhyme intended.
>>> --
>>> EA
>>>
>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone
>> calls. That's part of the reason the prices are low. WRT
>> Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area are much newer
>> than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are
>> seriously deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for
>> example.
>
> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
>
...And if you see me in a Home Depot (or Lowe's) I have hit
rock bottom and have no other choice.

Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> >
> > The local HD told me they only offer it on the two days I stated, a
> > few months ago.
>
> Not really a surprise that they got it wrong. That particular policy is
> fairly new and caused a huge amount of confusion within the ranks at HD when
> it came out. It was not as clearly articulated initially. Not surprising
> there are still people who misunderstand it.



It has been an on again, off again policy for almost a decade around
here. HD's latest change is in response to Lowe's updated policies.

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:48:23 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> Ray wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Around here, Lowe's and Home Depot offers a 10% disabled Veteran's
> >>> discount.
> >>
> >>
> >> Year round, or just Veteran's day & Memorial day?
> >
> >Double check on their websites, because I can't remember the specifics, but
> >I believe they both offer year round 10% discounts to retired vets (proof
> >required), and also to disabled vets. Regular old vets only get the
> >discount on 3 or 4 days of the year. It's on their web sites - might take a
> >bit of looking to find it.
>
> Not so much:
>
> http://ext.homedepot.com/community/blog/veterans-and-active-military-thank-you-for-your-service-employment-opportunities-tribute-discount/
>
> The Home Depot offers a year-round, 10 percent discount, up to a $500
> maximum, at our U.S. stores to all active duty military personnel,
> reservists, retired or disabled veterans and their immediate families.
> We offer this discount to thank them for their outstanding service to
> this nation and to help make their homes more comfortable and safe.
> Customers requesting the discount should present a valid military ID.
>
> In addition, a 10 percent discount is also offered in recognition of
> Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day and Veterans Day at all U.S.
> Home Depot stores for all other military veterans.


The local HD told me they only offer it on the two days I stated, a
few months ago.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:50:21 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:04:28 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:47:45 -0800, "Bob F" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:25:05 -0800, "Bob F" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many don't sell to the general public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. You're living in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, You are living in a cesspool. All those stores are easily
>>>>> available to me.
>>>>>
>>>> Proof: You're an idiot.
>>>
>>>LOL! you prove so easily that you are projecting.
>>
>>IKWYABWAI is about your speed.
>>
>>>Within 5 miles of me are 4 lumberyards, a half dozen plumbing stores, 4 hardware
>>>stores, plus the usual Lowes and HD.
>>
>>Who cares where you live, or are you suggesting that everywhere on the
>>planet has as many lumber yards as your hell hole? You prove you're
>>an idiot with every post. Amazing.
>>
>>>Keep looking in that mirror as you write.
>>
>>You really are an idiot.
> I filter this fool on one group - and I get him on the next one!!!!!

Incompetence is transferable, obviously.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:48:23 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Around here, Lowe's and Home Depot offers a 10% disabled Veteran's
>>> discount.
>>
>>
>> Year round, or just Veteran's day & Memorial day?
>
>Double check on their websites, because I can't remember the specifics, but
>I believe they both offer year round 10% discounts to retired vets (proof
>required), and also to disabled vets. Regular old vets only get the
>discount on 3 or 4 days of the year. It's on their web sites - might take a
>bit of looking to find it.

Not so much:

http://ext.homedepot.com/community/blog/veterans-and-active-military-thank-you-for-your-service-employment-opportunities-tribute-discount/

The Home Depot offers a year-round, 10 percent discount, up to a $500
maximum, at our U.S. stores to all active duty military personnel,
reservists, retired or disabled veterans and their immediate families.
We offer this discount to thank them for their outstanding service to
this nation and to help make their homes more comfortable and safe.
Customers requesting the discount should present a valid military ID.

In addition, a 10 percent discount is also offered in recognition of
Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day and Veterans Day at all U.S.
Home Depot stores for all other military veterans.

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>
>>>> Poor baby.
>>>
>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>
>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>> dozen varieties.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>> And your point was......???
>>>
>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>> HD.
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>> rhyme intended.
>>> --
>>> EA
>>>
>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>
>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....

Many don't sell to the general public.

>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....

I haven't seen one of those in a decade.

>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...

They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.

>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
Sure. You're living in the past.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:17:47 -0500, Nate Nagel <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 12/10/2012 11:47 AM, Bob F wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:25:05 -0800, "Bob F" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>>>>
>>>>> Many don't sell to the general public.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>>>>
>>>>> They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sure. You're living in the past.
>>>>
>>>> No, You are living in a cesspool. All those stores are easily
>>>> available to me.
>>>>
>>> Proof: You're an idiot.
>>
>> LOL! you prove so easily that you are projecting.
>>
>> Within 5 miles of me are 4 lumberyards, a half dozen plumbing stores, 4 hardware
>> stores, plus the usual Lowes and HD.
>>
>> Keep looking in that mirror as you write.
>>
>>
>
>You're a lucky man. There's not a real old school hardware store within
>20 miles of me. Now the supply houses will sell to me, there's at least
>plumbing and electrical nearby, but some have Saturday hours and some don't.
>
>My parents just told me that the big hardware store where I grew up just
>closed as well :(
>
>nate

The town I live in..has NO lumberyards. Ace Hardware Store keeps some
wood..but its 3x the price of the same lumber at HD 32 miles away.

As is most of their Stuff.

When I moved here in 1983..we had 2 full blown lumberyards. Then the
Oil Depression hit...and it all died

3 good hardware stores. Everything from bearings to kerosene lanterns.
AND a Western Auto.

All gone now. Wilsons is still for sale..and has most of of its stock
still on the shelves. About 10 yrs now....shrug


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:50:32 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Gunner wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>> >> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>> >>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>> >>
>> >> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> >> come way, way up in recent years.
>> >>
>> >> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>> >>
>> >> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> >> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> >> stock was very low.
>> >>
>> >> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>> >>
>> >Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
>> >Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
>> >an answer either.
>> >
>> >Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
>>
>> Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
>> stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
>> their personal expenses down.
>
>
> Some people just don't understand the concept of a WAREHOUSE STORE.
>Sad, isn't it?
>
> Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.


Around here, Lowe's and Home Depot offers a 10% disabled Veteran's
discount.

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 2:32:40 PM UTC-8, Existential Angst wrote:
> So far, +5 vs 0. The latest: Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for s=
ome privacy issues. Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly=
waiting on hold -- with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories=
. Ultimately, no arbor vitaes. Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, =
it only took me 20 seconds to glean this info. Boom, bang, done. Goodgawd..=
.. Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a t=
raumatic event for me. If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500=
HDs, and not ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but =
I'm sure there is some corruption at work. HD is sumpn else.... I think shi=
t service is their own personal artform, and I think managers are rewarded =
for it, bec undoubtedly shit service corresponds highly with cost savings f=
or them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each=
, just warms Management's heart. -- EA

I think it is clear who has the problem here. Your expectations are totally=
unreasonable. Lowes and HD both offer the same specific value; a huge fric=
king building full of deep inventory for all items they stock at reasonable=
prices. They are not offering good customer service. They hire people who =
can't get real jobs or are too old to want to work hard. Visit the store an=
d buy what you find on the shelf or don't. That is clearly what they offer.=
Works for me several times a week on average.

On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>
>>>> Poor baby.
>>>
>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>
>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>> dozen varieties.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>> And your point was......???
>>>
>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>> HD.
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>> rhyme intended.
>>> --
>>> EA
>>>
>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>
>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
Someone has some brains.
If I just need a single something plumbin-wize I'll go to HD, Canadian
Tire, or Home Hardware. If I need anything specialized or any amount,
it's over to Marks Supply.

Electrical? Little stuff, the above. Anything specialized or any amout
- over to Guilevans orWesco or whatever.

Hardware? depends - usually Home Hardware or Canadian Tire - HD if I'm
headed that direction -

On 6 Dec 2012 03:00:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor baby.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>>
>>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>>> dozen varieties.
>>>>
>>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>>> And your point was......???
>>>>
>>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>>> HD.
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>>> rhyme intended.
>>>> --
>>>> EA
>>>>
>>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>>
>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
>Many don't sell to the general public.
>
>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>
>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>
>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>
>Sure. You're living in the past.

Pretty much depends on where you life. Lots of lumberyards, hardware
stores and plumbing supply houses.

They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.

They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:05:00 -0800, Gunner <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 6 Dec 2012 03:00:13 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poor baby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>>>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>>>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>>>
>>>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>>>> dozen varieties.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>>>> And your point was......???
>>>>>
>>>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>>>> HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>>>> rhyme intended.
>>>>> --
>>>>> EA
>>>>>
>>>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>>>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>>>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>>>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>>>
>>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>
>>Many don't sell to the general public.
>>
>>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>
>>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>
>>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>
>>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>
>>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>
>>Sure. You're living in the past.
>
>Pretty much depends on where you life.

Pretty much.

>Lots of lumberyards, hardware stores and plumbing supply houses.

I haven't even seen a real lumber yard or what I'd call a real
hardware store in years. I never frequented plumbing supply houses -
they didn't like walk-in business so I always avoided them.

>They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.

I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.

>They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.

Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
to take my dead presidents).