On Monday, April 29, 2013 9:29:40 PM UTC-5, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
> Kreg told me nothing is changed but the color, my screws must be a=20
>=20
> defective batch - offered a replacement box. I declined. Guess it is=20
>=20
> McFeeley for me.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Gramp's shop" wrote in
>=20
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > If you reach out to Kreg, let them know I share your impression. I'm
>=20
> > getting mine from McFeeley.=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > Larry
I am surprised Kreg said that because the new ones are very different. I h=
ave probably driven 1,500 of the original screws in both fine and coarse th=
read over the past 5-6 years. I never broke one or stripped a head; and I =
had very few with defective square-drive recesses (five or six at most). I=
n addition to pocket holes I use quite a few for general utility screws.
I am about 100 into a box of 1,000 of the new screws and I have stripped a =
couple of the new heads and popped the heads off of a couple. They are dif=
ferent.
RonB
On May 7, 7:54=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 2, 2013 8:35:16 PM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>
> >> RonB
>
> > I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. =A0He mainta=
ins they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they are going =
back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> > RonB
>
> I wonder if that means back to the non plated or back to strictly square
> drive, or both. =A0The plated screws used a combo Philips/Square drive he=
ad.
I got a little grief here a ways back for saying that I needed to put
modest pressure behind the bit in order to get it to stay in the hole.
I was (and am) using the plated dual-drive screws. I have a feeling
that the "dual-ness" may be part of the problem.
On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:22:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 4/23/2013 8:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
>=20
> > Have been much less than impressed with the "new and improved" shiny
>=20
> > plated Kreg screws. Looking for a source for the good old bronze screws
>=20
> > that didn't cam out or twist off. Suggestions?
>=20
> >
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I have not noticed, that I recall, an increase in breakage of the new=20
>=20
> ones over the old however the shiny ones remind me of the cheaply made=20
>=20
> ones, purchased 10 at a time for 79 cents, in a plastic pouch.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Typically local lumber yards and or McFeeleys still have the unplated=20
>=20
> versions.
I have driven probably 3000 of the new plated screws and I haven't noticed =
any issues at all. Maybe you fellas are getting a bad batch. I don't drive =
the beejesus out of them either. I snug them up until the part is good and =
secure and they work fine. I don't use an impact driver either. Probably 90=
% of the screws get driven with a 12v drill/driver.
RP
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>
>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
>> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>
>> RonB
>>
>
> Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
> "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back to the old design."
>
Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
>>> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>>
>>> RonB
>>>
>>
>> Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
>> "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back
>> to > the old design."
>>
> Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
> =================================================================================
> I'll bet that the new ones are cheaper. They changed to increase profit.
> They seem to have found out that you get what you pay for.
Hell, the new plated ones look cheap. I was unimpressed when I opened my
first box of silver screws several years ago.
On Thu, 09 May 2013 13:03:13 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>Word is their sales on regular old Coke skyrocketed due to all the
>publicity over the failed ad campaign. So maybe it wasn't such a failure
>after all. :-)
So, what does that mean? I really hate the new Coke, so I'm going to
go and drink more than the usual amount of the regular coke? :)
"Gramp's shop" wrote:
>> =================================================================================
> Reminds me of the Coca Cola snafu ... new Coke (yuk) vs Coke
> Classic. "New and improved" usually means that someone forgot the
> old mantra: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
----------------------------------------
Coca Cola AKA: Carbonated suger water used to trash rum.
Lew
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> OTOH, if you don't make it better, someone else will.
>
>
> Coke had the right idea but its implementation was horrible. They do
> the same thing now, constantly. How many "brands" of Coke do you
> think there are?
Only two or three. Vanilla Coke, Cherry Coke come to mind. (Diet Coke
does not count.)
The Coca-cola company seems to throw new flavors to the wolves and kills
them off if they don't do well. See also Surge (NOT full of caffeine ~58
mg/12 oz) and Vault (more caffeine than other pops, but ~70 mg/12 oz rather
than ~55 mg/12 oz.) {Note: Caffeine numbers are from memories a few years
old.}
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On 10 May 2013 04:18:10 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>Only two or three. Vanilla Coke, Cherry Coke come to mind. (Diet
>>Coke does not count.)
>
> So in other words, if you don't like it[*], it doesn't count. How
> about Coke Zero, and all of the caffeine free sorts?
>
> [*] It's the only sort I drink. If I wanted the sugar, I'd drink
> Pepsi.
Diet Coke doesn't count because it's pretty much a brand of its own. It
may have started as a brand of Coke, but has grown to be one itself.
*trim*
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:14:19 AM UTC-5, CW wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>
> >> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
>
> >> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> >>
>
> >> RonB
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
>
> > "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back to
>
> > the old design."
>
> >
>
> Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
>
> =================================================================================
>
> I'll bet that the new ones are cheaper. They changed to increase profit.
>
> They seem to have found out that you get what you pay for.
Reminds me of the Coca Cola snafu ... new Coke (yuk) vs Coke Classic. "New and improved" usually means that someone forgot the old mantra: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Larry
On 10 May 2013 04:18:10 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> OTOH, if you don't make it better, someone else will.
>>
>>
>> Coke had the right idea but its implementation was horrible. They do
>> the same thing now, constantly. How many "brands" of Coke do you
>> think there are?
>
>Only two or three. Vanilla Coke, Cherry Coke come to mind. (Diet Coke
>does not count.)
So in other words, if you don't like it[*], it doesn't count. How
about Coke Zero, and all of the caffeine free sorts?
[*] It's the only sort I drink. If I wanted the sugar, I'd drink
Pepsi.
>The Coca-cola company seems to throw new flavors to the wolves and kills
>them off if they don't do well. See also Surge (NOT full of caffeine ~58
>mg/12 oz) and Vault (more caffeine than other pops, but ~70 mg/12 oz rather
>than ~55 mg/12 oz.) {Note: Caffeine numbers are from memories a few years
>old.}
Rather my point.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>
>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
>> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>
>> RonB
>>
>
> Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
> "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back to
> the old design."
>
Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
=================================================================================
I'll bet that the new ones are cheaper. They changed to increase profit.
They seem to have found out that you get what you pay for.
On 5/9/13 12:43 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 06:00:39 -0700 (PDT), "Gramp's shop"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:14:19 AM UTC-5, CW wrote:
>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend.
>>>>> He
>>>
>>>>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws -
>>>>> BUT
>>>
>>>>> they are going back to their traditional square-drive
>>>>> screws.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> RonB
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
>>>
>>>> "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're
>>>> going back to
>>>
>>>> the old design."
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
>>>
>>> =================================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
I'll bet that the new ones are cheaper. They changed to increase profit.
>>>
>>> They seem to have found out that you get what you pay for.
>>
>> Reminds me of the Coca Cola snafu ... new Coke (yuk) vs Coke
>> Classic. "New and improved" usually means that someone forgot the
>> old mantra: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
>
> OTOH, if you don't make it better, someone else will.
>
>
> Coke had the right idea but its implementation was horrible. They
> do the same thing now, constantly. How many "brands" of Coke do you
> think there are?
>
Word is their sales on regular old Coke skyrocketed due to all the
publicity over the failed ad campaign. So maybe it wasn't such a failure
after all. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On 5/9/13 1:05 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 09 May 2013 13:03:13 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> Word is their sales on regular old Coke skyrocketed due to all the
>> publicity over the failed ad campaign. So maybe it wasn't such a failure
>> after all. :-)
>
> So, what does that mean? I really hate the new Coke, so I'm going to
> go and drink more than the usual amount of the regular coke? :)
>
It means you couldn't turn on the TV during those months and not hear
someone talking about the New Coke. Talk shows and morning news shows
were doing taste tests and radio stations were talking about it and it
was water cooler talk for months. Water cooler is a metaphor for vending
machine, which generally hold coke cans. :-)
And then, when it was discovered the stuff sucked (tasted like Pepsi,
which was the intent all along), the buzz started back up talking about
what a failure it was. With all that free press for Coca-Cola, they
could've have bought more or better advertising.
It's the old adage, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
Advertising is all about getting people thinking about your brand. The
catchy songs ("Anticipation"), the funny catch lines ("Where's the
beef?"), the memorable slogans ("Have it your way") all keep a brand in
your mind, and that's what they count on. So when a goof up (not a
tragedy-- poison in the tylenol) get's a brand name in the spotlight and
in the collective conscience of a society, it's gold for that brand.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
-MIKE- wrote:
>
> It's the old adage, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
> Advertising is all about getting people thinking about your brand. The
> catchy songs ("Anticipation"), the funny catch lines ("Where's the
> beef?"), the memorable slogans ("Have it your way") all keep a brand
> in your mind, and that's what they count on. So when a goof up (not a
> tragedy-- poison in the tylenol) get's a brand name in the spotlight
> and in the collective conscience of a society, it's gold for that
> brand.
Not really. There is that other old adage - one oh shit ruins a thousand
attaboys. There's plenty of cases of bad press haunting companies.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 5/11/13 5:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> It's the old adage, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
>> Advertising is all about getting people thinking about your brand. The
>> catchy songs ("Anticipation"), the funny catch lines ("Where's the
>> beef?"), the memorable slogans ("Have it your way") all keep a brand
>> in your mind, and that's what they count on. So when a goof up (not a
>> tragedy-- poison in the tylenol) get's a brand name in the spotlight
>> and in the collective conscience of a society, it's gold for that
>> brand.
>
> Not really. There is that other old adage - one oh shit ruins a thousand
> attaboys. There's plenty of cases of bad press haunting companies.
>
In the context of this discussion, this oh shit made them tens of
millions.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
-MIKE- wrote:
> On 5/11/13 5:22 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's the old adage, "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
>>> Advertising is all about getting people thinking about your brand.
>>> The catchy songs ("Anticipation"), the funny catch lines ("Where's
>>> the beef?"), the memorable slogans ("Have it your way") all keep a
>>> brand in your mind, and that's what they count on. So when a goof
>>> up (not a tragedy-- poison in the tylenol) get's a brand name in
>>> the spotlight and in the collective conscience of a society, it's
>>> gold for that brand.
>>
>> Not really. There is that other old adage - one oh shit ruins a
>> thousand attaboys. There's plenty of cases of bad press haunting
>> companies.
>
> In the context of this discussion, this oh shit made them tens of
> millions.
My point is that bad press is bad press. The adage that there is no such
thing as bad press exists more in the hearts and minds of people who really
don't do sales and marketing than it does in the real world. Bad press
hurts sales, growth, etc. Maybe not to the point of running a company out
of business, but it certainly does have a negative impact. The old adage
just isn't true.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Thu, 9 May 2013 06:00:39 -0700 (PDT), "Gramp's shop"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:14:19 AM UTC-5, CW wrote:
>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>>
>> >> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
>>
>> >> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> RonB
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
>>
>> > "We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back to
>>
>> > the old design."
>>
>> >
>>
>> Yeah! LOL we'll do what ever it takes ! To piss y'all off.
>>
>> =================================================================================
>>
>> I'll bet that the new ones are cheaper. They changed to increase profit.
>>
>> They seem to have found out that you get what you pay for.
>
>Reminds me of the Coca Cola snafu ... new Coke (yuk) vs Coke Classic. "New and improved" usually means that someone forgot the old mantra: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
OTOH, if you don't make it better, someone else will.
Coke had the right idea but its implementation was horrible. They do
the same thing now, constantly. How many "brands" of Coke do you
think there are?
"RonB" wrote:
>I am surprised Kreg said that because the new ones are very
>different. I have probably driven 1,500 of the original screws in
>both fine and coarse thread over the past 5-6 years. I never broke
>one or stripped a head; and I had very few with defective
>square-drive recesses (five or six at most). In addition to pocket
>holes I use quite a few for general utility screws.
I am about 100 into a box of 1,000 of the new screws and I have
stripped a couple of the new heads and popped the heads off of a
couple. They are different.
---------------------------------------------------------
You need to communicate your problem to Kreg so they can investigate.
As a marketing/sales kind of guy, I'd certainly want to know.
You can't fix it if you don't know it's broke.
Lew
On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:25:05 AM UTC-5, RP wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:22:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>=20
> > On 4/23/2013 8:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > Have been much less than impressed with the "new and improved" shiny
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > plated Kreg screws. Looking for a source for the good old bronze scre=
ws
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > that didn't cam out or twist off. Suggestions?
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > I have not noticed, that I recall, an increase in breakage of the new=
=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > ones over the old however the shiny ones remind me of the cheaply made=
=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > ones, purchased 10 at a time for 79 cents, in a plastic pouch.
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > Typically local lumber yards and or McFeeleys still have the unplated=
=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > versions.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I have driven probably 3000 of the new plated screws and I haven't notice=
d any issues at all. Maybe you fellas are getting a bad batch. I don't driv=
e the beejesus out of them either. I snug them up until the part is good an=
d secure and they work fine. I don't use an impact driver either. Probably =
90% of the screws get driven with a 12v drill/driver.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> RP
I usually ease in with a regular 14v drill. Never an impact wrench.
I did send a message from the Kreg site and got a quick response offering a=
replacement box of screws. I sent a backup message telling them that the =
problem screws were part of an order of 1,250 screws (1,000ct + 250ct to ge=
t over Amazon free shipping limit). I am not really expecting free boxes o=
f screws; just wondering whey the changed from a tried-and-true product to =
the new ones.
RonB
On 5/7/2013 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 8:35:16 PM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>
>>
>> RonB
>
> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> RonB
>
I wonder if that means back to the non plated or back to strictly square
drive, or both. The plated screws used a combo Philips/Square drive head.
"RonB" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:25:05 AM UTC-5, RP wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:22:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>
> > On 4/23/2013 8:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Have been much less than impressed with the "new and improved" shiny
>
> >
>
> > > plated Kreg screws. Looking for a source for the good old bronze
> > > screws
>
> >
>
> > > that didn't cam out or twist off. Suggestions?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have not noticed, that I recall, an increase in breakage of the new
>
> >
>
> > ones over the old however the shiny ones remind me of the cheaply made
>
> >
>
> > ones, purchased 10 at a time for 79 cents, in a plastic pouch.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Typically local lumber yards and or McFeeleys still have the unplated
>
> >
>
> > versions.
>
>
>
> I have driven probably 3000 of the new plated screws and I haven't noticed
> any issues at all. Maybe you fellas are getting a bad batch. I don't drive
> the beejesus out of them either. I snug them up until the part is good and
> secure and they work fine. I don't use an impact driver either. Probably
> 90% of the screws get driven with a 12v drill/driver.
>
>
>
> RP
I usually ease in with a regular 14v drill. Never an impact wrench.
I did send a message from the Kreg site and got a quick response offering a
replacement box of screws. I sent a backup message telling them that the
problem screws were part of an order of 1,250 screws (1,000ct + 250ct to get
over Amazon free shipping limit). I am not really expecting free boxes of
screws; just wondering whey the changed from a tried-and-true product to the
new ones.
==========================================================================================================
Cheaper.
Kreg told me nothing is changed but the color, my screws must be a
defective batch - offered a replacement box. I declined. Guess it is
McFeeley for me.
"Gramp's shop" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> If you reach out to Kreg, let them know I share your impression. I'm
> getting mine from McFeeley.
>
> Larry
> Did it Lew.
>
> I sent them a message from their support site last night and mentioned
> a couple of strings that have appeared here on rec.woodworking
> recently. Your earlier comments inspired me. I also come from a
> business development / support background. Hearing folks call your
> baby ugly isn't pleasant but good companies often respond with change.
>
>
> The odd thing is their site still shows the old screws. The plated
> ones I got came from Amazon, in a Kreg box. Oh-oh ...... I'm starting
> to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Counterfeit screws?!?!?!
>
> RonB
Thanks for sending them your message. Maybe Kreg will take the issue
seriously if they hear the same problem from enough folks that actually
use the product. Sounds like the good "bronze" screws are the last of
the old stock, if you can find them. I think I was more impressed with
the screws than the Kreg jig when I first saw Craig Sommerfeld demo the
Kig at a wood working show in the late 80's. Oh for a good "bronze"
Kreg screw.
Bruce
RonB <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I am surprised Kreg said that because the new ones are very different.
> I have probably driven 1,500 of the original screws in both fine and
> coarse thread over the past 5-6 years. I never broke one or stripped
> a head; and I had very few with defective square-drive recesses (five
> or six at most). In addition to pocket holes I use quite a few for
> general utility screws.
>
> I am about 100 into a box of 1,000 of the new screws and I have
> stripped a couple of the new heads and popped the heads off of a
> couple. They are different.
>
> RonB
I agree totally. The new ones tend to cam out very easily. Of the
1000's of the "bronze" screws I driven, I've never snapped a screw or
popped a head. The zinc ones are different. I wish I could have seen
my face when the very first zinc screw I drove snapped off in a red oak
face frame - same drill, same settings as the old screws. After the
scond broken screw on the same face frame, the zinc ones went into the
trash.
And yes, the old bronze ones used to make a great utility screw.
Bruce
>
> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they
> are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> RonB
That is great news! Hope they roll them out ASAP. My shop is looking
forward to good screws again.
> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they
> are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> RonB
In following up with Kreg I heard from one of the Kreg customer support
guys.
In a very polite email he said: "Im sorry to inform you that we are not
moving back to our dry lube screws like you are referring to. We are
however slowly transitioning back to our square drive only screws
instead of the combo drive screws."
So, sounds like the zinc screws are here to stay but going back to the
square drive, not combo drive.
Bruce
On Monday, April 29, 2013 10:39:46 PM UTC-5, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "RonB" wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >I am surprised Kreg said that because the new ones are very=20
>=20
> >different. I have probably driven 1,500 of the original screws in=20
>=20
> >both fine and coarse thread over the past 5-6 years. I never broke=20
>=20
> >one or stripped a head; and I had very few with defective=20
>=20
> >square-drive recesses (five or six at most). In addition to pocket=20
>=20
> >holes I use quite a few for general utility screws.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I am about 100 into a box of 1,000 of the new screws and I have=20
>=20
> stripped a couple of the new heads and popped the heads off of a=20
>=20
> couple. They are different.
>=20
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> You need to communicate your problem to Kreg so they can investigate.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> As a marketing/sales kind of guy, I'd certainly want to know.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> You can't fix it if you don't know it's broke.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Lew
Did it Lew. =20
I sent them a message from their support site last night and mentioned a co=
uple of strings that have appeared here on rec.woodworking recently. Your e=
arlier comments inspired me. I also come from a business development / sup=
port background. Hearing folks call your baby ugly isn't pleasant but good=
companies often respond with change. =20
The odd thing is their site still shows the old screws. The plated ones I =
got came from Amazon, in a Kreg box. Oh-oh ...... I'm starting to sound li=
ke a conspiracy theorist. Counterfeit screws?!?!?!=20
RonB
On Thursday, May 2, 2013 8:35:16 PM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:25:05 AM UTC-5, RP wrote:
>=20
> > On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:22:33 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > On 4/23/2013 8:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > > Have been much less than impressed with the "new and improved" shin=
y
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > > plated Kreg screws. Looking for a source for the good old bronze sc=
rews
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > > that didn't cam out or twist off. Suggestions?
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > >
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > I have not noticed, that I recall, an increase in breakage of the new=
=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > ones over the old however the shiny ones remind me of the cheaply mad=
e=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > ones, purchased 10 at a time for 79 cents, in a plastic pouch.
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > Typically local lumber yards and or McFeeleys still have the unplated=
=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > > versions.
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > I have driven probably 3000 of the new plated screws and I haven't noti=
ced any issues at all. Maybe you fellas are getting a bad batch. I don't dr=
ive the beejesus out of them either. I snug them up until the part is good =
and secure and they work fine. I don't use an impact driver either. Probabl=
y 90% of the screws get driven with a 12v drill/driver.
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
>=20
> > RP
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I usually ease in with a regular 14v drill. Never an impact wrench.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I did send a message from the Kreg site and got a quick response offering=
a replacement box of screws. I sent a backup message telling them that th=
e problem screws were part of an order of 1,250 screws (1,000ct + 250ct to =
get over Amazon free shipping limit). I am not really expecting free boxes=
of screws; just wondering whey the changed from a tried-and-true product t=
o the new ones.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> RonB
I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He maintains th=
ey haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they are going back t=
o their traditional square-drive screws.
RonB
On 11 May 2013 05:21:39 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 10 May 2013 04:18:10 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Only two or three. Vanilla Coke, Cherry Coke come to mind. (Diet
>>>Coke does not count.)
>>
>> So in other words, if you don't like it[*], it doesn't count. How
>> about Coke Zero, and all of the caffeine free sorts?
>>
>> [*] It's the only sort I drink. If I wanted the sugar, I'd drink
>> Pepsi.
>
>Diet Coke doesn't count because it's pretty much a brand of its own. It
>may have started as a brand of Coke, but has grown to be one itself.
Huh? You are *really* weird.
On Thu, 2 May 2013 18:35:16 -0700 (PDT), RonB <[email protected]>
> screws were part of an order of 1,250 screws (1,000ct + 250ct to get over
>Amazon free shipping limit). I am not really expecting free boxes of screws
And you're absolutely sure they are real Kreg certified screws and not
some knock off that some company released with the Kreg name attached?
On 4/23/2013 8:55 PM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
> Have been much less than impressed with the "new and improved" shiny
> plated Kreg screws. Looking for a source for the good old bronze screws
> that didn't cam out or twist off. Suggestions?
>
I have not noticed, that I recall, an increase in breakage of the new
ones over the old however the shiny ones remind me of the cheaply made
ones, purchased 10 at a time for 79 cents, in a plastic pouch.
Typically local lumber yards and or McFeeleys still have the unplated
versions.
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 7, 7:54 pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2013 8:35:16 PM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>
>>>> RonB
>>
>>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they
>>> are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>
>>> RonB
>>
>> I wonder if that means back to the non plated or back to strictly square
>> drive, or both. The plated screws used a combo Philips/Square drive head.
>
> I got a little grief here a ways back for saying that I needed to put
> modest pressure behind the bit in order to get it to stay in the hole.
> I was (and am) using the plated dual-drive screws. I have a feeling
> that the "dual-ness" may be part of the problem.
Hard to say but a worn bit will slip out if the bit is past it's prime. For
many many years I have used the combo screws, non, plated that McFeeley's
sells with out issue. For the more heavily plated bits that McFeeley's
sells they offer a special under sized bit. I would suspect the plating
giving more grief than the combo head style.
On 5/8/2013 12:00 AM, Leon wrote:
> Hard to say but a worn bit will slip out if the bit is past it's prime. For
> many many years I have used the combo screws, non, plated that McFeeley's
> sells with out issue. For the more heavily plated bits that McFeeley's
> sells they offer a special under sized bit. I would suspect the plating
> giving more grief than the combo head style.
You're more likely right, especially as I have no experience with the
older screws. The bit I use is quite new though. I have driven perhaps
200 screws with it.
On 5/7/13 2:29 PM, RonB wrote:
>
> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT
> they are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>
> RonB
>
Wow, now that's some clever marketing-speak.
"We've had so little trouble with the new design that we're going back
to the old design."
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On 5/12/2013 10:09 AM, Bruce Kaatz wrote:
>
>> I got another email from the guy at Kreg over the weekend. He
>> maintains they haven't had much trouble with the new screws - BUT they
>> are going back to their traditional square-drive screws.
>>
>> RonB
>
> In following up with Kreg I heard from one of the Kreg customer support
> guys.
>
> In a very polite email he said: "Im sorry to inform you that we are not
> moving back to our dry lube screws like you are referring to. We are
> however slowly transitioning back to our square drive only screws
> instead of the combo drive screws."
>
> So, sounds like the zinc screws are here to stay but going back to the
> square drive, not combo drive.
> Bruce
>
That is unfortunate, it would be better if it was the other way around.