I am laying out a long project to do (and hopefully it will only take a
short summer to finish it). It will be a 6' tall TV center, with raised
panel cabinets and all that (lots of open wood surfaces, both inside and
out). I will use WATCO Oak finish (prefer Natural but so many oaks in the
living room is already stained with Oak finishes, so makes senses to
follow the surroundings, right?). Now, I like to final coat it (is that
called "clear coating"?). What should I use?
Wax? Polyurethane? Lacquer? Spar? Shellac?
Semi-gloss?
Now, the main question, should I use a spray gun for final clear coating?
Or use a can spray (like Minwax)? I have air compressor, so...
I never used final coatings, only used WATCO oil and wax, by hand/cloth.
Appreciate suggestions. I have kids. This project is going to be
something I would actually show off my work (being obvious in open space,
like a living room where everyone will see it, instead of small tables
thats easily overlooked).
Chuck
> With what you know, and what you've done, and what you're trying to
> accomplish, I suggest you find a source for Waterlox.
> www.waterlox.com You'll get the results you seek, without having to
> deal with new equipment or techniques.
>
> And it cures more quickly to recoat than WATCO oils, too.
Just that, one thing does the "oak finish" and seal?
http://www.waterlox.com/product.cfm?productid=5
Not sure what will the outcome be (never tried it). I just want to make
this TV center close to all other regular oak finishes furniture. A lot
of them are "smooth" feel, yet little grooves by the pores. I don't want
to make the TV center shining gloss, extra smooth. Just to blend with
other oaks in the living room.
When you say try Watco first then finish with Waterlox, you mean that
extra link below or there's a clear coating?
No body mention if I should use spray? It is going to be huge work by
hand, but I still can do it if necessary.
Chuck
>>http://www.waterlox.com/product.cfm?productid=5
>
> No, it's not quite as amber as Watco Golden Oak, but it looks great.
> Try a single coat of Watco and finish up with Waterlox.
CNT says...
> I am laying out a long project to do (and hopefully it will only take a
> short summer to finish it). It will be a 6' tall TV center, with raised
> panel cabinets and all that (lots of open wood surfaces, both inside and
> out). I will use WATCO Oak finish (prefer Natural but so many oaks in the
> living room is already stained with Oak finishes, so makes senses to
> follow the surroundings, right?). Now, I like to final coat it (is that
> called "clear coating"?). What should I use?
>
> Wax? Polyurethane? Lacquer? Spar? Shellac?
>
> Semi-gloss?
>
> Now, the main question, should I use a spray gun for final clear coating?
> Or use a can spray (like Minwax)? I have air compressor, so...
>
> I never used final coatings, only used WATCO oil and wax, by hand/cloth.
> Appreciate suggestions. I have kids. This project is going to be
> something I would actually show off my work (being obvious in open space,
> like a living room where everyone will see it, instead of small tables
> thats easily overlooked).
>
> Chuck
My vote would be if you are set on using the Watco to just thin down
some varnish and wipe on 2 or three coats. A tung oil varnish would be
good. You can get Formby's at Wally-World or Waterlox at a real
woodworking store. Remove the high gloss and dust nibs with a light
sanding with 320 and finish with synthetic steel wool.
Mike Marlow says...
> "Hax Planks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > My vote would be if you are set on using the Watco to just thin down
> > some varnish and wipe on 2 or three coats. A tung oil varnish would be
> > good. You can get Formby's at Wally-World or Waterlox at a real
> > woodworking store. Remove the high gloss and dust nibs with a light
> > sanding with 320 and finish with synthetic steel wool.
>
> I see this type of advice given here frequently and it causes me to ask -
> why do you guys use such a coarse sandpaper to knock down dust nibs? Is it
> just something that sort of just gets repeated a lot and becomes something
> of a generally accepted suggestion? I ask because (especially for higher
> gloss finishes) a 1000-1500 grit paper will work very well for knocking down
> dust nibs and flattening out finishes, and has the added advantage of far
> less sanding marks to deal with in subsequent steps. 320 as a finishing
> grit is very aggressive. It is a grit that would normally be used prior to
> any finishing work even beginning - to prep the surface. Where high gloss
> is not desired, 1000-1500 would still be an appropriate and perhaps even a
> more appropriate grit to use. Again - far fewer scratches to deal with.
> There will be a very noticable difference to the touch between a surface
> knocked down with 320 and steel wool versus one knocked down with a less
> aggressive grit. So, the question is... how come?
I use 320 wet/dry with mineral spirits as a lubricant. The dust nibs
with varnish are pretty substantial and the paper clogs fast. So after
cleaning off the paper once or twice, it loses a lot of its
aggressiveness. In my experience in trying to get a thicker film 400
quickly becomes useless. But in any case, notice I did say to sand
lightly. Plus, with varnish you want to level the surface a little,
which shouldn't be much of a problem if it was thinned to wipe on
consistency, but it still may not be perfect. If dust nibs are really
the only problem, then you may be able to use just about anything 320 or
above with lubricant and get the results you want, but 320 is cheap and
common and the sandpaper is only for taking down the worst of the high
spots. If I'm going to follow up with steel wool, I don't see the point
of super fine sandpaper. It's the job of the steel wool to finish it
off. I don't go beyond 220 for the final sanding on the wood if I am
going to use a film finish. Flexner says 180 is usually good enough.
You would want a better surface with an oil finish, but I like the
protection of a film finish.
CNT <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I am laying out a long project to do (and hopefully it will only take
> a short summer to finish it). It will be a 6' tall TV center, with
> raised panel cabinets and all that (lots of open wood surfaces, both
> inside and out). I will use WATCO Oak finish (prefer Natural but so
> many oaks in the living room is already stained with Oak finishes, so
> makes senses to follow the surroundings, right?). Now, I like to final
> coat it (is that called "clear coating"?). What should I use?
>
> Wax? Polyurethane? Lacquer? Spar? Shellac?
>
> Semi-gloss?
>
> Now, the main question, should I use a spray gun for final clear
> coating? Or use a can spray (like Minwax)? I have air compressor,
> so...
>
> I never used final coatings, only used WATCO oil and wax, by
> hand/cloth. Appreciate suggestions. I have kids. This project is going
> to be something I would actually show off my work (being obvious in
> open space, like a living room where everyone will see it, instead of
> small tables thats easily overlooked).
>
> Chuck
>
With what you know, and what you've done, and what you're trying to
accomplish, I suggest you find a source for Waterlox. www.waterlox.com
You'll get the results you seek, without having to deal with new equipment
or techniques.
And it cures more quickly to recoat than WATCO oils, too.
Patriarch
CNT <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>> With what you know, and what you've done, and what you're trying to
>> accomplish, I suggest you find a source for Waterlox.
>> www.waterlox.com You'll get the results you seek, without having to
>> deal with new equipment or techniques.
>>
>> And it cures more quickly to recoat than WATCO oils, too.
>
> Just that, one thing does the "oak finish" and seal?
>
> http://www.waterlox.com/product.cfm?productid=5
>
Yes. It has a much higher solids (resins) content than WATCO, and it's
dead easy to use.
Patriarch
"Hax Planks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> My vote would be if you are set on using the Watco to just thin down
> some varnish and wipe on 2 or three coats. A tung oil varnish would be
> good. You can get Formby's at Wally-World or Waterlox at a real
> woodworking store. Remove the high gloss and dust nibs with a light
> sanding with 320 and finish with synthetic steel wool.
I see this type of advice given here frequently and it causes me to ask -
why do you guys use such a coarse sandpaper to knock down dust nibs? Is it
just something that sort of just gets repeated a lot and becomes something
of a generally accepted suggestion? I ask because (especially for higher
gloss finishes) a 1000-1500 grit paper will work very well for knocking down
dust nibs and flattening out finishes, and has the added advantage of far
less sanding marks to deal with in subsequent steps. 320 as a finishing
grit is very aggressive. It is a grit that would normally be used prior to
any finishing work even beginning - to prep the surface. Where high gloss
is not desired, 1000-1500 would still be an appropriate and perhaps even a
more appropriate grit to use. Again - far fewer scratches to deal with.
There will be a very noticable difference to the touch between a surface
knocked down with 320 and steel wool versus one knocked down with a less
aggressive grit. So, the question is... how come?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:12:51 -0000, the inscrutable CNT
<[email protected]> spake:
>> With what you know, and what you've done, and what you're trying to
>> accomplish, I suggest you find a source for Waterlox.
>> www.waterlox.com You'll get the results you seek, without having to
>> deal with new equipment or techniques.
>>
>> And it cures more quickly to recoat than WATCO oils, too.
>
>Just that, one thing does the "oak finish" and seal?
>
>http://www.waterlox.com/product.cfm?productid=5
No, it's not quite as amber as Watco Golden Oak, but it looks great.
Try a single coat of Watco and finish up with Waterlox.
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"CNT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I am laying out a long project to do (and hopefully it will only take a
> short summer to finish it). It will be a 6' tall TV center, with raised
> panel cabinets and all that (lots of open wood surfaces, both inside and
> out). I will use WATCO Oak finish (prefer Natural but so many oaks in the
> living room is already stained with Oak finishes, so makes senses to
> follow the surroundings, right?). Now, I like to final coat it (is that
> called "clear coating"?). What should I use?
>
> Wax? Polyurethane? Lacquer? Spar? Shellac?
>
> Semi-gloss?
You can get a great clear finish with Bartleys Gel Varnish. SemiGloss. Or
you can also get a great finish using a good FOAM brush and General Finishes
Arm-R-Seal.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:19 -0000, the inscrutable CNT
<[email protected]> spake:
>Not sure what will the outcome be (never tried it). I just want to make
>this TV center close to all other regular oak finishes furniture. A lot
>of them are "smooth" feel, yet little grooves by the pores. I don't want
>to make the TV center shining gloss, extra smooth. Just to blend with
>other oaks in the living room.
>
>When you say try Watco first then finish with Waterlox, you mean that
>extra link below or there's a clear coating?
No, I meant put a first coat or two of Watco to get the darker amber
color, then let it dry. Now wipe on several coats of Waterlox
Original.
>No body mention if I should use spray? It is going to be huge work by
>hand, but I still can do it if necessary.
I tried brushing Waterlox once and went back to wiping. With Watco,
you wipe on and off. With Waterlox, you wipe on and let dry (MUCH
easier to use; much quicker to build a film finish.)
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:34:59 -0500, the inscrutable "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> spake:
>
>"Hax Planks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> My vote would be if you are set on using the Watco to just thin down
>> some varnish and wipe on 2 or three coats. A tung oil varnish would be
>> good. You can get Formby's at Wally-World or Waterlox at a real
>> woodworking store. Remove the high gloss and dust nibs with a light
>> sanding with 320 and finish with synthetic steel wool.
>
>I see this type of advice given here frequently and it causes me to ask -
>why do you guys use such a coarse sandpaper to knock down dust nibs? Is it
>just something that sort of just gets repeated a lot and becomes something
>of a generally accepted suggestion? I ask because (especially for higher
>gloss finishes) a 1000-1500 grit paper will work very well for knocking down
>dust nibs and flattening out finishes, and has the added advantage of far
>less sanding marks to deal with in subsequent steps. 320 as a finishing
>grit is very aggressive.
Those of us who degloss finishes as a standard practice (we prefer a
satin sheen) use 320 to denib and 0000 with Johnson's Wax to finalize
the finish. Both are similar in their coarseness. The wax fills in the
minor (to us) scratches.
For a pinanner (gloss) finish, 600 or better would be the ticket, as
you say.
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