If you are looking primarily to power brad nailers and finish nailers,
there is a Senco combo comp+brad nailer that is quite small and
reasonable. As I recall, most of these packages are oil-free.
Will the compressor be somewhat stationary or do you need more
portability?
However, I run framing nailers and fencing nailers which require more
air, so I have the Hitachi EC12 oiled compressor, 2HP motor and
quicker recovery time. Bounce-firing a framer or coil nailer will use
up the tank contents more quickly. It weighs about 60# and must be
kept level for the lubrication to work properly.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:45:38 -0400, Dean Hummel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
>oil free?
>
>Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
>Thx
>
>Dean Hummel
Dean:
I have been contracting for about 30 years now. I like oiless because
we use them for roofing every day. No worries about oil leaks,
breaking the site glass, snapping off the fill/dip stick, and not
problems with the oil leaking out of the head when the compressor is on
its side or oil thickening up when on a frosty jobsite.
I have had plenty of both. In my shop, I run an oiless. It goes
nowhere, never is at any kind of damage risk, and has only seen one or
two jobsites. It lives in a quiet corner under a noise barrier/dust
shroud. It isn't THAT much quieter than my three oiless comps. But it
was on sale and had the specs I wanted to run a couple of large finish
nailers at a time.
My oiless comps kick ass though, as they are almost indestructible.
Here in South Texas it easily hits 100 degrees plus in the summer, and
hoisted onto a papered roof, the surface temps hit 145 or so on the
surface where we put them to run two to three roofing guns. Never had
one of my CH Extreme oiless comps fail.
Think about this when you want to decide about reliability: One 28
square roof has about 10,000 nails in it. This is only a box and a
half... some more some less. So when we do three roofs a week after
hail season, this is about 30,000 nails. A week...
Go to a month... 120,000 nails. We don't use them that hard all the
time, so I'll say 7 months a year. 840,000 a year. (You should see my
fastener bills!) These compressor still shoot more though. When we go
inside, they also power our finish guns and we have done a lot of room
addition type framing with Bostich and Hitachi framing nailers. We
have no other compressors in the field BUT oiless.
Oh yeah, remember my newest CH comp is about three years old. We did
have to buy a new regulator for that one though, since one of my
knotheads screwed down the knob as tight as he could get it to get more
pressure.
Good luck on this. If I were you I would go with the best deal and
house the compressor (oiless or oil) some way if it is for your shop to
cut down on the noise and the dust it will eventually suck in to the
intake.
Robert
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:45:38 -0400, Dean Hummel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
>oil free?
>
>Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
>Thx
>
>Dean Hummel
The oil-less are fine - so long as you're already deaf.
Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
Thanks Robert, very good real-life input.
RJ
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dean:
>
> I have been contracting for about 30 years now. I like oiless because
> we use them for roofing every day. No worries about oil leaks,
> breaking the site glass, snapping off the fill/dip stick, and not
> problems with the oil leaking out of the head when the compressor is on
> its side or oil thickening up when on a frosty jobsite.
>
> I have had plenty of both. In my shop, I run an oiless. It goes
> nowhere, never is at any kind of damage risk, and has only seen one or
> two jobsites. It lives in a quiet corner under a noise barrier/dust
> shroud. It isn't THAT much quieter than my three oiless comps. But it
> was on sale and had the specs I wanted to run a couple of large finish
> nailers at a time.
>
> My oiless comps kick ass though, as they are almost indestructible.
> Here in South Texas it easily hits 100 degrees plus in the summer, and
> hoisted onto a papered roof, the surface temps hit 145 or so on the
> surface where we put them to run two to three roofing guns. Never had
> one of my CH Extreme oiless comps fail.
>
> Think about this when you want to decide about reliability: One 28
> square roof has about 10,000 nails in it. This is only a box and a
> half... some more some less. So when we do three roofs a week after
> hail season, this is about 30,000 nails. A week...
>
> Go to a month... 120,000 nails. We don't use them that hard all the
> time, so I'll say 7 months a year. 840,000 a year. (You should see my
> fastener bills!) These compressor still shoot more though. When we go
> inside, they also power our finish guns and we have done a lot of room
> addition type framing with Bostich and Hitachi framing nailers. We
> have no other compressors in the field BUT oiless.
>
> Oh yeah, remember my newest CH comp is about three years old. We did
> have to buy a new regulator for that one though, since one of my
> knotheads screwed down the knob as tight as he could get it to get more
> pressure.
>
> Good luck on this. If I were you I would go with the best deal and
> house the compressor (oiless or oil) some way if it is for your shop to
> cut down on the noise and the dust it will eventually suck in to the
> intake.
>
>
> Robert
>
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:42:55 -0400, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> William wrote:
>
>>
>> "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:56:49 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a
>> spray
>>> >gun?
>>>
>>> All the best ones - but they'll be screw compressors, not piston or
>>> pancake. Screw compressors are quiet, efficient and very expensive !
>>
>> yes and the screw compressors have OIL in them:-)
>
> Even the oilless ones?
Depends on if it was designed to be that way, I guess?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:45:38 -0400, Dean Hummel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
>oil free?
>
>Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
>Thx
>
>Dean Hummel
========================
Well they both work.... no problem there... and for ocassional use
either will do just fine...
I have owned both types... and absolutely hated the Noise the oil less
compressor put out... just drove me bonkers... This is not to say the
oil tyes are quiet...not by a long shot... er... just much
quieter...
I now have a 8 Hp 80 Gallon upright compressor and to be honest if I
have to drive a few brads I will fill a small portable tank with air
and just hook up the nailer to it... I need the large compressor
because I restore cars ( another hobby) and need it.
Bob Griffiths
"Dean Hummel".
> Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or oil
> free?
As other have said, an oil type is better, quieter and will last longer.
The oil-less is cheaper, lighter and noisier.
My suggestion would be to get a good one, you'll be happier longer.
Dave
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Lots of good answers. Oil is better, as stated, for durability and noise,
BUT if you are going to paint, it's better to be oilless. Even so, you'll
need a drier of some sort to really do a good job. If you don't plan high
quality painting, the $400, 5HP rigs in the home stores are a great buy.
The vertical tank takes minimal space.
Wilson
"Dean Hummel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or oil
> free?
>
> Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
> Thx
>
> Dean Hummel
"Dean Hummel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or oil
> free?
>
> Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
> Thx
>
> Dean Hummel
Oil is better than oil free. For your application with JUST a nailer, a
direct drive oil type will be quieter than an oil free direct drive. Better
yet but with a loss of portability compared to direct drive units, oil type
and belt driven.
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:56:49 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a
spray
> >gun?
>
> All the best ones - but they'll be screw compressors, not piston or
> pancake. Screw compressors are quiet, efficient and very expensive !
yes and the screw compressors have OIL in them:-)
EXPENSIVE oil too....
William....
The oil compressors are the better of the two. With proper
maintenance they last longer and usually less noisy, but cost a little
more. Get a well-known brand.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:45:38 -0400, Dean Hummel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
>oil free?
>
>Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
>Thx
>
>Dean Hummel
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:21:43 GMT, Wilson Lamb wrote:
> Lots of good answers. Oil is better, as stated, for durability and noise,
> BUT if you are going to paint, it's better to be oilless. Even so, you'll
> need a drier of some sort to really do a good job. If you don't plan high
> quality painting, the $400, 5HP rigs in the home stores are a great buy.
> The vertical tank takes minimal space.
> Wilson
Are filters available that do a good job of keeping compressor oil out of
spray guns?
Is this more an issue with a well-used compressor?
--
Art Greenberg
artg AT eclipse DOT net
William wrote:
>
> "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:56:49 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a
> spray
>> >gun?
>>
>> All the best ones - but they'll be screw compressors, not piston or
>> pancake. Screw compressors are quiet, efficient and very expensive !
>
> yes and the screw compressors have OIL in them:-)
Even the oilless ones?
> EXPENSIVE oil too....
>
> William....
--
--John
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"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> BUT if you are going to paint, it's better to be oilless.
>
> Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a
> spray gun?
Lots of them.
http://www.silentaire.com/silentaire/oilless.asp
http://air.ingersoll-rand.com/CMP/sap/oillessbasepltlevel3.htm
Not enough power for you? How about a Grimmer Schmidt. 10 HP 35 cfm or a
50 HP 222 cfm? That would set you back over $40k.
Fini has a line that includes medical air. www.finicompressors.com
There are many more that the little PC pancake models.
"Art Greenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Are filters available that do a good job of keeping compressor oil out of
> spray guns?
Yes.
>
> Is this more an issue with a well-used compressor?
Yes
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> William wrote:
>
> >
> > "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:56:49 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a
> > spray
> >> >gun?
> >>
> >> All the best ones - but they'll be screw compressors, not piston or
> >> pancake. Screw compressors are quiet, efficient and very expensive !
> >
> > yes and the screw compressors have OIL in them:-)
>
> Even the oilless ones?
Looks like they do make some rotary screw compressors that don't have oil,
they use water to cool them instead. Not too common but they are available.
Looks like the rotary scroll stuff may be the more "cost effective" oilless
high output units for you home shop:-) about 8k vs. 18k for the oilless
rotary screws.
William...
>
> > EXPENSIVE oil too....
> >
> > William....
>
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Dean Hummel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or oil
> free?
>
> Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
Oil Free
Cheaper
Lighter,
Noisier
Good for light duty. OTOH, there are some in commercial service for medical
applications where oil is a contaminant that cannot be tolerated..
Oil
Lasts longer
Usually heavier and less portable
Quieter
If you are going to use a nailer, inflate an occasional basketball, oiless
is suitable and can last a long time. If you plan to advance to larger air
tools, spray painting trucks, get a larger oil type. Both have a place.
I've had an oiless for four years and it suits me just fine. YMMV.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
Hi Dean,
I'll chime in here and say if you plan on keeping your compressor for
a while and plan to use it for a lot of other things get an oil
lubricated compressor. It'll last longer and if you sell it it'll have
a higher resale value. Lubricated compressors run quieter too.
You can always rebuild oilless compressors but sometimes the cost or
time involved outweighs the effort put in and/or the value of the
compressor. Personally I would never buy a used oilless compressor.
However, if you plan to use your compressor on uneven surfaces, like a
rooftop go with oilless. Or, you can use a lubricated compressor on
the ground and use a longer hose.
Hope this helps,
Layne
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:45:38 -0400, Dean Hummel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
>oil free?
>
>Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
Dean Hummel wrote:
> Looking to buy a compressor with a brad nailer. Which is better oil or
> oil free?
>
> Any experiences good or bad appreciated.
>
> Thx
>
> Dean Hummel
I like the oiled compressors best. I have 5 compressors that
I run now and all of them are oiled. I have run about 10 or
so oiless and I was not pleased with their durability. In my
shop at home, I have a 35 year old Sears Craftsman 20 gallon
compressor which has had regular duty for all of its 35 years.
I have had to change the oil about every 6 months and I did
a rebuild on it about 15 years ago. During that time I have
gone through numerous oiless compressors.
The oiled compressors MUST be kept on flat level surfaces and
you have to change the oil, but they just keep going and when
they get weak, the rebuild is only about 40 bucks. A rebuild
on an oiless can be as much as $150 depending upon the brand,
and they need it more often.
--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:50:18 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
snip
>Not enough power for you? How about a Grimmer Schmidt. 10 HP 35 cfm or a
>50 HP 222 cfm? That would set you back over $40k.
>
>Fini has a line that includes medical air. www.finicompressors.com
>
>There are many more that the little PC pancake models.
Yeah, but Home Depot doesn't carry this one!!! :-)
Layne
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:56:49 -0700, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just curious here - what oilfree compressors have enough cfm to run a spray
>gun?
All the best ones - but they'll be screw compressors, not piston or
pancake. Screw compressors are quiet, efficient and very expensive !