kk

kansascats

18/11/2009 11:37 AM

square drive screws - extinct?

I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.

We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.

Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
for a general purpose woodscrew?


This topic has 33 replies

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 11:33 PM


"Puckdropper" wrote:

> Only please make diesel, kerosene, and gas nozzles completely
> incompatible with each other. The fuels are (except maybe
> kerosene), so
> why let one nozzle or the other even fit?

Around here gas and diesel have different size nozzles.

Matter of fact, drove a diesel almost 400K miles, never found a nozzle
that would have fit the small hole of a typical gasoline powered car.

Lew



Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 7:13 AM

"Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote in news:yiqNm.19578$We2.11119
@newsfe09.iad:


>
> I have long contended that when I take over the world, that the
> fasteners used in automotives will be standardized into 2-3 types
> of heads and no more than 3-4 sizes for most vehicles. A tool kit
> for disassembly will fit in your hip pocket. I promise to also
> standardize point of sale credit card/debit card terminals, ATM's,
> soap and towel dispensers in restrooms and will refuse to let
> retailers have mirror image floorplans in stores. When you walk
> into one Sam's Club, it'll be like the others and not reversed,
> for instance.
>

What about gas pumps? Some have that lever to flip up, others require
you to press a button to start pumping, while others are happy to let you
put the nozzle in the filler, wait for it to reset, and pump away.

Only please make diesel, kerosene, and gas nozzles completely
incompatible with each other. The fuels are (except maybe kerosene), so
why let one nozzle or the other even fit?

Puckdropper
--
Is it human error, or just bad design?

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 7:42 AM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:00779096$0$7048
[email protected]:

>
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Only please make diesel, kerosene, and gas nozzles completely
>> incompatible with each other. The fuels are (except maybe
>> kerosene), so
>> why let one nozzle or the other even fit?
>
> Around here gas and diesel have different size nozzles.
>
> Matter of fact, drove a diesel almost 400K miles, never found a nozzle
> that would have fit the small hole of a typical gasoline powered car.
>
> Lew
>

Sure, but you can still put the gas nozzle in your diesel. You really
have to read everything sometimes at some gas stations. (The one I get
my diesel at has a separate pump for diesel so it's not a big deal.)

If the nozzles were completely incompatible with each other, you'd
intentionally have to mix gas and diesel. Anyone got a time machine?

Puckdropper
--
Is it human error or bad design?

bb

blackemmons

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 10:47 AM

On Nov 19, 11:59=A0am, kansascats <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 6:23=A0am, blackemmons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I get all of my screws from here,http://www.mcfeelys.com/
>
> > Good service and prices and shipping is $1.00.
>
> Which McFeely screw is a basic all-purpose?
>
> If I do any nicer furniture/cabinet building I generally use few metal
> fasteners. =A0 Most of my screw use is for interior/exterior "rough"
> projects that either get painted or may come apart at some later time,
> or where I prefer the strength of a screw over a nail.
>
> If I do any exposed exterior projects I don't mind buying the more
> costly coated screws.
>
> I honestly suppose I could get by with phillips heads and go to the
> local HD or Lowes and buy the black oxide or yellow zinc. =A0 But I sort
> of got spoiled with sq drive.

I use these for interior work. http://www.mcfeelys.com/flat-square-screws

MK

Michael Kenefick

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 5:02 PM

I got some at sears hardware earlier this year. Mike in Ohio

kansascats wrote:
> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
> for a general purpose woodscrew?

kk

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 12:41 PM

On Nov 19, 10:59=A0am, kansascats <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 6:23=A0am, blackemmons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I get all of my screws from here,http://www.mcfeelys.com/
>
> > Good service and prices and shipping is $1.00.
>
> Which McFeely screw is a basic all-purpose?

Define "all-purpose". ;-)

> If I do any nicer furniture/cabinet building I generally use few metal
> fasteners. =A0 Most of my screw use is for interior/exterior "rough"
> projects that either get painted or may come apart at some later time,
> or where I prefer the strength of a screw over a nail.

For exterior use I try my best to find stainless fasteners (not always
possible). For interior it depends on my mood.

> If I do any exposed exterior projects I don't mind buying the more
> costly coated screws.

Stainless all the way.

> I honestly suppose I could get by with phillips heads and go to the
> local HD or Lowes and buy the black oxide or yellow zinc. =A0 But I sort
> of got spoiled with sq drive.

McFeeley's is really good to deal with. I bought a couple of thousand
yellow zink screws to fasten the subfloor down when we recarpeted my
my previous house (didn't want squeaks when we sold it). I send an
order off to them anytime I start a project and have an assortment of
their stuff just in case.

Sc

Sonny

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 11:47 AM


> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. =EF=BF=BD=
All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.


You can special order them through any HD or Lowes outlet, and at the
same price as if they normally carried them, as your previous local HD
or Lowes outlet did/does.

Sonny

Rr

RonB

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 6:21 AM

I have bought them at Ace Hardware during the past year. RVs' also
use a lot of them so you might check a service department for their
source.

RonB

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 11:42 AM

On Nov 18, 2:37=A0pm, kansascats <[email protected]> wrote:
> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
> brand was Western States. =A0A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. =A0 They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. =A0All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? =A0 Any recommendations
> for a general purpose woodscrew?

http://www.mcfeelys.com/

kk

kansascats

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 8:59 AM

On Nov 19, 6:23=A0am, blackemmons <[email protected]> wrote:
> I get all of my screws from here,http://www.mcfeelys.com/
>
> Good service and prices and shipping is $1.00.

Which McFeely screw is a basic all-purpose?

If I do any nicer furniture/cabinet building I generally use few metal
fasteners. Most of my screw use is for interior/exterior "rough"
projects that either get painted or may come apart at some later time,
or where I prefer the strength of a screw over a nail.

If I do any exposed exterior projects I don't mind buying the more
costly coated screws.

I honestly suppose I could get by with phillips heads and go to the
local HD or Lowes and buy the black oxide or yellow zinc. But I sort
of got spoiled with sq drive.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 6:57 AM


"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Only please make diesel, kerosene, and gas nozzles completely
>> incompatible with each other. The fuels are (except maybe kerosene), so
>> why let one nozzle or the other even fit?
>
> Around here gas and diesel have different size nozzles.
>
> Matter of fact, drove a diesel almost 400K miles, never found a nozzle
> that would have fit the small hole of a typical gasoline powered car.
>
> Lew


BUT you can fit a gasoline nozzle in a diesel car. That happens regularly
especially when a car buyer buys a diesel for the first time. Having run a
service department at a large Olds dealership in the 80's diesels were
broungt in on the hook with tanks full of gasilone and the customer would
say, it just stopped running.

Ns

"Nonny"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 3:32 PM


"kansascats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot.
> The
> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for
> 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them.
> All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any
> recommendations
> for a general purpose woodscrew?

The ones from McFeeley's in VA are good quality. In the early
90's, I picked a pretty afternoon and drove there to their
warehouse/store from our home in Raleigh. The building was very
unremarkable, but it was packed to the roof with inventory. I'm
sure they're online now and unless things have changed, they are a
1-stop shopping experience for anything in Robertson drive. In my
case, I loaded up with big boxes of the most frequently used
sizes, plus enough to do my deck. I kept the big boxes way up on
a shelf, refilling my little screw trays when needed.

--
Nonny

What does it mean when drool runs
out of both sides of a drunken
Congressman's mouth?

The floor is level.


PB

Pat Barber

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 2:39 PM

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=4294961544&Ne=4294967294&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=sruare+drive+screws

kansascats wrote:
> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 2:37 PM

Lowes changes brands at the drop of a hat...but they
generally keep some version of square drive screws or
possibly a "combo" drive...

kansascats wrote:

>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.

Wc

"WW"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 10:49 PM


"kansascats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
> for a general purpose woodscrew?

First time I saw them was in late 50's or early 60's. Was doing appliance
work. Had a GE dryer made in Canada. Had to grind a screwdriver to a square
to get it apart. ww

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 8:04 AM


"WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> First time I saw them was in late 50's or early 60's. Was doing appliance
> work. Had a GE dryer made in Canada. Had to grind a screwdriver to a
> square to get it apart. ww

The square drive screw was brought to Henry Ford's attention when he called
on manufacturers to present a screw that would speed production iver the
slotted head, way back when. He opted for the Phillips over the square
drive because he apparently wanted exclusive rights to the screw which
Robertson was not willing to give up.

Hn

Han

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 12:48 PM

Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:53:33 -0500, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know. Here in Oryguns, we elite have the little people
>>> do that sort of thing for us.
>>>
>>> When I first moved here, I was castigated (uh, no, Lew. I still have
>>> my jewels. "Castigated" means "scolded".) for starting to fill my
>>> own tank, as I had done for the previous 35 years in LoCal. Silly
>>> me. Anywho, I think nozzles are all the same size here.
>>>
>>
>>It's been a long time since I've been to Oregon, but I'd highly doubt
>>they are all the same size. I do travel a lot, and to states that
>>(like Oregon) require the attendants to fill your car. Out of habit,
>>I've gotten out and began to fill my own. Never found a pump where
>>all of the nozzles are the same size, as you suggest.
>
> Well, they might not be, but sitting in my truck, watching them fill
> up the diesel pickup in front of me while watching them fill me up,
> the nozzles look identical, 'cept for color.
>
> If I think of it, I'll ask the next time I fill up.
>
>
> --
> When we are planning for posterity,
> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
> -- Thomas Paine
>

Well, in Holland it was possible for me to fill my sister's car's tank
with gasoline. This was when I was picking up my daughter from Schiphol
airport to attend my father's funeral. Just let me say that is not what
I should have done, since the car had a diesel engine. Some time after I
had picked her up, the engine started sputtering, and I was lucky to be
able to coast into a service station near Utrecht. The ANWB (like the
AAA) was called, finally came, drained the tank, refilled it wit diesel,
and pulled the car until the engine caught (manual transmission). When
we got home, the procession was ready. We were only about 10 minutes
late. Don't think I'll ever forget that.

Oh, yeah, the engine really did run fine after the first 20 miles.
Really fine, as if it had had a good cleaning. Car later developed other
problems and my sister traded it in ... For another Peugeot since she
lives in France.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 3:17 PM

dpb <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
> ...
>> Well, in Holland it was possible for me to fill my sister's car's
>> tank with gasoline. ...
>
> In US, they created a smaller diameter insert in the gasoline filler
> neck way back when unleaded gasoline was introduced to prevent the use
> of leaded gasoline in cars which required unleaded (mainly for the
> catalytic converters). Then is when the smaller nozzle for gasoline
> pumps was introduced. Now, of course, there are no leaded-gas pumps
> left so gasoline pumps have smaller diameter nozzles than virtually
> all diesel pumps (unless some particular station just put a gasoline
> dispenser head on a diesel pump). And, except for antiques, there are
> no more vehicles w/o the smaller gasoline filler.
>
> Consequently, it's possible to put gasoline in a diesel; not vice
> versa so easily unless the unleaded restrictor plate has been removed
> from the gas tank filler neck by somebody.

That's why I indeed could put gasoline into a diesel, even in Holland.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 5:07 PM

dpb <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>> dpb <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Han wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Well, in Holland it was possible for me to fill my sister's car's
>>>> tank with gasoline. ...
>>> In US, they created a smaller diameter insert in the gasoline filler
>>> neck way back when unleaded gasoline was introduced to prevent the
>>> use of leaded gasoline in cars which required unleaded (mainly for
>>> the catalytic converters). Then is when the smaller nozzle for
>>> gasoline pumps was introduced. Now, of course, there are no
>>> leaded-gas pumps left so gasoline pumps have smaller diameter
>>> nozzles than virtually all diesel pumps (unless some particular
>>> station just put a gasoline dispenser head on a diesel pump). And,
>>> except for antiques, there are no more vehicles w/o the smaller
>>> gasoline filler.
>>>
>>> Consequently, it's possible to put gasoline in a diesel; not vice
>>> versa so easily unless the unleaded restrictor plate has been
>>> removed from the gas tank filler neck by somebody.
>>
>> That's why I indeed could put gasoline into a diesel, even in
>> Holland.
>
> I wasn't sure if elsewhere had done similar or not; didn't ever really
> pay attention to the sizes when "on the other side of the pond" -- had
> more interesting things to occupy attention. :)
>
> Haven't yet got to Holland; done the obligatory "see Paris, France"
> tourist thing on side trips from work in England w/ Scotland and
> Ireland trips thrown in. Ages ago spent quite a bit of time in
> Germany for employer who tried to set up subsidiary firm in the power
> reactor business doing technology transfer training.

Born in Holland, with wife's family still there. Sister lives near
Paris. We don't go over there as much any more since our parents passed
away. Also, with the dollar-euro exchange now at the point where the
dollar is worth about half what it used to, and the Europeans still
being expensive ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

bb

blackemmons

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 4:23 AM



I get all of my screws from here, http://www.mcfeelys.com/

Good service and prices and shipping is $1.00.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 10:53 AM


"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> I wouldn't know. Here in Oryguns, we elite have the little people do
> that sort of thing for us.
>
> When I first moved here, I was castigated (uh, no, Lew. I still have
> my jewels. "Castigated" means "scolded".) for starting to fill my own
> tank, as I had done for the previous 35 years in LoCal. Silly me.
> Anywho, I think nozzles are all the same size here.
>

It's been a long time since I've been to Oregon, but I'd highly doubt they
are all the same size. I do travel a lot, and to states that (like Oregon)
require the attendants to fill your car. Out of habit, I've gotten out and
began to fill my own. Never found a pump where all of the nozzles are the
same size, as you suggest.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 1:45 PM

kansascats wrote:
> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
> for a general purpose woodscrew?


If you're looking for square drive, they are all over on the internet.

If you absolutely need a brick-n-mortar source, is there a woodcraft
near you?
Ours started carrying all sorts of square drive wood screws at
competitive prices.

Also, don't be afraid to ask the HD/Lowes managers about them.
Sometimes all it takes is knowing there is a demand for them to order
them in.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

dn

dpb

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 12:40 PM

kansascats wrote:
...
> Which McFeely screw is a basic all-purpose?
...

<http://www.mcfeelys.com/tech>

--

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 12:58 PM

kansascats wrote:
> On Nov 19, 6:23 am, blackemmons <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I get all of my screws from here,http://www.mcfeelys.com/
>>
>> Good service and prices and shipping is $1.00.
>
> Which McFeely screw is a basic all-purpose?
>

http://www.mcfeelys.com/flat-square-screws
http://www.mcfeelys.com/stl-washer-hd-screws


> If I do any exposed exterior projects I don't mind buying the more
> costly coated screws.
>

http://www.mcfeelys.com/plated-steel-screws
http://www.mcfeelys.com/stainless-screws


I really like their sawtooth screws. It will usually say in the
description for each type, if it's sawtooth.

The tips has a notch cut in it which acts like a drill bit, and the
first few grooves have sharp offset ridges that cut threads into the
wood. It means you don't have to pre-drill in many hardwoods, and you
get less splitting in all woods.

To me, that alone, makes them worth every penny.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

dn

dpb

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 9:13 AM

Han wrote:
...
> Well, in Holland it was possible for me to fill my sister's car's tank
> with gasoline. ...

In US, they created a smaller diameter insert in the gasoline filler
neck way back when unleaded gasoline was introduced to prevent the use
of leaded gasoline in cars which required unleaded (mainly for the
catalytic converters). Then is when the smaller nozzle for gasoline
pumps was introduced. Now, of course, there are no leaded-gas pumps
left so gasoline pumps have smaller diameter nozzles than virtually all
diesel pumps (unless some particular station just put a gasoline
dispenser head on a diesel pump). And, except for antiques, there are
no more vehicles w/o the smaller gasoline filler.

Consequently, it's possible to put gasoline in a diesel; not vice versa
so easily unless the unleaded restrictor plate has been removed from the
gas tank filler neck by somebody.

--

dn

dpb

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 9:19 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:
...

> Well, they might not be, but sitting in my truck, watching them fill
> up the diesel pickup in front of me while watching them fill me up,
> the nozzles look identical, 'cept for color.
...

I suspect they're not -- the difference wasn't all that great that I'm
sure it would be obvious from the distance unless the two were
side-by-side instead of at different vehicles or one seen, then the other.

As noted to Han w/ some US history, if they are the same at that
particular station it's because they've installed a gasoline head on a
diesel hose. At any truck stop where diesel is the prime fuel and in
larger volumes than for cars or light trucks they'll definitely be the
larger ones for higher pumping rates.

--

dn

dpb

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

21/11/2009 9:31 AM

Han wrote:
> dpb <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Han wrote:
>> ...
>>> Well, in Holland it was possible for me to fill my sister's car's
>>> tank with gasoline. ...
>> In US, they created a smaller diameter insert in the gasoline filler
>> neck way back when unleaded gasoline was introduced to prevent the use
>> of leaded gasoline in cars which required unleaded (mainly for the
>> catalytic converters). Then is when the smaller nozzle for gasoline
>> pumps was introduced. Now, of course, there are no leaded-gas pumps
>> left so gasoline pumps have smaller diameter nozzles than virtually
>> all diesel pumps (unless some particular station just put a gasoline
>> dispenser head on a diesel pump). And, except for antiques, there are
>> no more vehicles w/o the smaller gasoline filler.
>>
>> Consequently, it's possible to put gasoline in a diesel; not vice
>> versa so easily unless the unleaded restrictor plate has been removed
>> from the gas tank filler neck by somebody.
>
> That's why I indeed could put gasoline into a diesel, even in Holland.

I wasn't sure if elsewhere had done similar or not; didn't ever really
pay attention to the sizes when "on the other side of the pond" -- had
more interesting things to occupy attention. :)

Haven't yet got to Holland; done the obligatory "see Paris, France"
tourist thing on side trips from work in England w/ Scotland and Ireland
trips thrown in. Ages ago spent quite a bit of time in Germany for
employer who tried to set up subsidiary firm in the power reactor
business doing technology transfer training.

--

c

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 9:54 PM

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:37:39 -0800 (PST), kansascats
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
>brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
>and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>
>We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
>they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>
>Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
>for a general purpose woodscrew?

Still common as dirt here in Canada

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 2:46 PM

Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:37 pm, kansascats <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
>> brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
>> and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>>
>> We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
>> they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>>
>> Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
>> for a general purpose woodscrew?
>
> http://www.mcfeelys.com/

You were supposed to tell him to come to Canada, here we trip over them
walking down the street.
;-)
--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

18/11/2009 10:00 PM


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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:37:39 -0800 (PST), kansascats
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I used to pickup sq drive general purpose screws at Home Depot. The
>>brand was Western States. A 5# box was under $20 I think for 1-1/4
>>and 1-5/8. They also have 2", 2-1/2, 3" in the 1# box.
>>
>>We moved, and neither my local HD nor Lowes seem to carry them. All
>>they have are phillips drive except for coated deck screws.
>>
>>Is square drive sort of falling by the wayside? Any recommendations
>>for a general purpose woodscrew?
>
> Still common as dirt here in Canada

I see bunches of combo Phillips/square drive screws in the stores around
here...

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 8:12 PM

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:53:33 -0500, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I wouldn't know. Here in Oryguns, we elite have the little people do
>> that sort of thing for us.
>>
>> When I first moved here, I was castigated (uh, no, Lew. I still have
>> my jewels. "Castigated" means "scolded".) for starting to fill my own
>> tank, as I had done for the previous 35 years in LoCal. Silly me.
>> Anywho, I think nozzles are all the same size here.
>>
>
>It's been a long time since I've been to Oregon, but I'd highly doubt they
>are all the same size. I do travel a lot, and to states that (like Oregon)
>require the attendants to fill your car. Out of habit, I've gotten out and
>began to fill my own. Never found a pump where all of the nozzles are the
>same size, as you suggest.

Well, they might not be, but sitting in my truck, watching them fill
up the diesel pickup in front of me while watching them fill me up,
the nozzles look identical, 'cept for color.

If I think of it, I'll ask the next time I fill up.


--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

20/11/2009 7:42 AM

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:33:04 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Puckdropper" wrote:
>
>> Only please make diesel, kerosene, and gas nozzles completely
>> incompatible with each other. The fuels are (except maybe
>> kerosene), so
>> why let one nozzle or the other even fit?
>
>Around here gas and diesel have different size nozzles.
>
>Matter of fact, drove a diesel almost 400K miles, never found a nozzle
>that would have fit the small hole of a typical gasoline powered car.

I wouldn't know. Here in Oryguns, we elite have the little people do
that sort of thing for us.

When I first moved here, I was castigated (uh, no, Lew. I still have
my jewels. "Castigated" means "scolded".) for starting to fill my own
tank, as I had done for the previous 35 years in LoCal. Silly me.
Anywho, I think nozzles are all the same size here.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

Ns

"Nonny"

in reply to kansascats on 18/11/2009 11:37 AM

19/11/2009 10:03 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> First time I saw them was in late 50's or early 60's. Was doing
>> appliance work. Had a GE dryer made in Canada. Had to grind a
>> screwdriver to a square to get it apart. ww
>
> The square drive screw was brought to Henry Ford's attention
> when he called on manufacturers to present a screw that would
> speed production iver the slotted head, way back when. He opted
> for the Phillips over the square drive because he apparently
> wanted exclusive rights to the screw which Robertson was not
> willing to give up.
>

I have long contended that when I take over the world, that the
fasteners used in automotives will be standardized into 2-3 types
of heads and no more than 3-4 sizes for most vehicles. A tool kit
for disassembly will fit in your hip pocket. I promise to also
standardize point of sale credit card/debit card terminals, ATM's,
soap and towel dispensers in restrooms and will refuse to let
retailers have mirror image floorplans in stores. When you walk
into one Sam's Club, it'll be like the others and not reversed,
for instance.

--
Nonny

What does it mean when drool runs
out of both sides of a drunken
Congressman’s mouth?

The floor is level.



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