"DerbyDad03" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
> teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
>
> A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major.
> Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down
> for poor grammar skills.
>
Perhaps not, but they should know how to spell "sketch" and "border" Your
ready acceptance of poor language skills is one of the reasons the students
are doing so poorly in school If we have low expectations of both students
and teachers so we get crap. The goal should be to raise the standard, not
lower it.
While your grandfather may have been a great mason, I bet he wanted your
father and you to have a better education than he had no matter what trade
or profession you pursued in life. .
Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] stumbled in and
mumbled:
I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
DIFFICULTIES
Upon thinking a bit more on this, the following question comes to
mind: Why choose rec.woodworking, to ask something like this, instead
of one of the computer newsgroups, or forums? Oh yes, dags
plattscsd.org and you come up with high school in NY. Kinda makes me
wonder if it's not another school kid, wanting someone to do his
homework for him.
JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan
On Sep 19, 9:25 am, [email protected] wrote:
> I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
I am interested in your problem. Mechanical drafting was one of the
first trades that I learned, redrawing the projects my older brother
brought home from school. It has been a central function to the work
I have accomplished over a lifetime, and it is disheartening that
mechanical drafting is no longer considered viable trade craft to be
formally taught in secondary education...displaced by the misbegotten
idea that computer drafting is the greater technology.
One night on Charlie Rose, Charles Gwathmey, world-renowned architect,
explained that the computer is great for layering complex drawings,
but true design can only be accomplished by a man's ability to
perceive with the eye and articulate with the hand. Thus man remains
the greater technology of this most primal communicative art.
Your border and title block will be dependent upon the size and
subject of your drawing and the relevant information you need to
convey. Let's start with subject first. Is this a working drawing
that will be used in shop? Will it be revised?
On 19 Sep, 13:01, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth come in and
> scream out:
> I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
> NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
>
> Well, well, aren't we the fortunate ones? I just checked and
> seemingly this is your first post ever on-line. You might want to keep
> in mind that all caps is the same as shouting, and is not well thought
> of. Teacher, eh? Best check your punctuation and spelling. Yeah, I
> can see where you could have difficulties, if you're trying to do a
> boarder that objects.
>
> JOAT
> What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
> humiliations?
> - Peter Egan
Now, now JT...I'll agree with the shouting part of your post but...
Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major. My
grandfather was a heck of a mason and taught many people the trade,
all the while barely being able to write or spell at much above a
grade school level. However, hand him a trowel, a couple of bricks and
a willing student and he would amaze you.
Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down
for poor grammar skills.
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:32:55 -0400, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> Bullshit. ANY certified teacher is expected to at least know how
>to use basic punctuation. I knew how to use periods and question marks
>by the time I was in the third grade. I bet your grandpa knew how to
>use them too. It just makes me think this guy isn't much of a teacher.
>
> If you can't speel, that makes it all the more important to check
>your spelling. If the guy wants to do a boarder, that's between him and
>the boarder. If the guy wants to do a border, that's something entirely
>different.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
>humiliations?
>- Peter Egan
Common sense (remember that from our era?) would indicate that if you are going
to teach something, you should be able to write it correctly on a blackboard or
whatever they use now..
OTOH, maybe "boarder" has something to do with "boards" and I'm not familiar
with the term??
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 12:37pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (DerbyDad03)doty
sayeth:
Now, now JT...I'll agree with the shouting part of your post but...
Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major. My grandfather
was a heck of a mason and taught many people the trade, all the while
barely being able to write or spell at much above a grade school level.
However, hand him a trowel, a couple of bricks and a willing student and
he would amaze you.
Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down for
poor grammar skills.
Bullshit. ANY certified teacher is expected to at least know how
to use basic punctuation. I knew how to use periods and question marks
by the time I was in the third grade. I bet your grandpa knew how to
use them too. It just makes me think this guy isn't much of a teacher.
If you can't speel, that makes it all the more important to check
your spelling. If the guy wants to do a boarder, that's between him and
the boarder. If the guy wants to do a border, that's something entirely
different.
JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan
mac davis <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> OTOH, maybe "boarder" has something to do with "boards" and I'm not
> familiar with the term??
Maybe a complex all-in-one machine that saws a tree in to strips, then
does a rough plane and seals the end? Or a person who performs the
process?
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
>
Puckdropper
--
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
J T wrote:
> Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 12:37pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
> (DerbyDad03)doty sayeth:
> Now, now JT...I'll agree with the shouting part of your post but...
> Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
> teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
> A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major. My
> grandfather was a heck of a mason and taught many people the trade,
> all the while barely being able to write or spell at much above a
> grade school level. However, hand him a trowel, a couple of bricks
> and a willing student and he would amaze you.
> Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down
> for poor grammar skills.
>
> Bullshit. ANY certified teacher is expected to at least know
> how
> to use basic punctuation. I knew how to use periods and question
> marks by the time I was in the third grade. I bet your grandpa knew
> how to use them too. It just makes me think this guy isn't much of
> a
> teacher.
>
> If you can't speel, that makes it all the more important to
> check
> your spelling. If the guy wants to do a boarder, that's between him
> and the boarder. If the guy wants to do a border, that's something
> entirely different.
Looks like he's not the only one who "can't speel".
> What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
> humiliations?
> - Peter Egan
Ain't it da troot?
- The Cowardly Lion
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Fri, Sep 21, 2007, 9:24am [email protected] (J.=A0Clarke) doth
sayeth:
Looks like he's not the only one who "can't speel".
Damn, forgot to use my speel checker.
JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan
As an engineering studeant it was a badge of honor to be a bad
spellerer. I'm not sure I ever passed an english class with much more
than a C and even that was by luck usually.
On Sep 19, 12:37 pm, DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Sep, 13:01, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth come in and
> > scream out:
> > I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
> > NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> > DIFFICULTIES
>
> > Well, well, aren't we the fortunate ones? I just checked and
> > seemingly this is your first post ever on-line. You might want to keep
> > in mind that all caps is the same as shouting, and is not well thought
> > of. Teacher, eh? Best check your punctuation and spelling. Yeah, I
> > can see where you could have difficulties, if you're trying to do a
> > boarder that objects.
>
> > JOAT
> > What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
> > humiliations?
> > - Peter Egan
>
> Now, now JT...I'll agree with the shouting part of your post but...
>
> Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
> teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
>
> A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major. My
> grandfather was a heck of a mason and taught many people the trade,
> all the while barely being able to write or spell at much above a
> grade school level. However, hand him a trowel, a couple of bricks and
> a willing student and he would amaze you.
>
> Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down
> for poor grammar skills.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
On 19 Sep, 15:53, DAClark <[email protected]> wrote:
-- Where did grandfather learn his trade? Did he take formal
-- apprenticeship? What platitudes about his trade did he enjoy, that
-- you might remember? Did his work find an artistic outlet?
-- Thanks...
I don't think there was such a thing as a "formal apprenticeship" when
he was learning the trade. He'd be 105 if he were alive to today, so
we're talking at least 80 - 85 years ago when he began laying brick.
If he learned the trade the way he taught it, it was from experienced
mason's willing to help hard working people trying to support their
families.
Two things I remember very clearly:
1 - The smell of Lestoil as we washed our hands together when he got
home from work. I'd be visiting, waiting for him to come home, and
we'd go down to the basement utility sink to wash up before dinner. He
had this old wide mouth jar filled with Lestoil and he'd pour a big,
thick dollop into our hands.
2 - We were pouring a new stoop at my house in NYC. He explained the
reason why you had to make sure each step had exactly the same rise
and run: "The feet remember." You can't explain it much simpler than
that!
If you want to see some of his work, just drive past the old paper
factories in Holyoke, MA. He laid thousands amd thousands of bricks
for those buildings.
On Sep 19, 10:25 am, [email protected] wrote:
> I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
For FUCK sakes, DOOOODE, learn protocol AND English?
*shakes my head in disbelief* Teacher, huh?
On Sep 19, 3:54 pm, "Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> > I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> > DIFFICULTIES
>
> When I used to use Sketchup borders and title blocks were things it just
> didn't even pretend to do. You had to to export a dxf or a jpeg to another
> program for that sort of presentation. That was V4, maybe it has changed.
>
> The forums at @last were very good and a better place for your query.
>
> Tim w
Shows my age...I just caught on that sketchup is some damn software
program. But the joke is on you, if you need 45 minutes on the
computer to do a thirty-second sketch. The instruction here
is...working with pencil and paper develops the skills for determining
scale and proportion, that starting with advanced technologies will
deny to the student.
On Sep 19, 10:25 am, [email protected] wrote:
> I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
Here's a border and title block you can download that I lifted from
the Google Groups SketchUp Pro group:
http://groups.google.com/group/Sketchup-Pro/attach/f93bfd5889ddd766/titleblock.zip?part=2
and here's the link to the thread itself:
http://groups.google.com/group/Sketchup-Pro/browse_thread/thread/1d8c829b041c8c3/78486b80f0ee5b48
Not sure what the limitations are on SketchUp's free version, but it
should work as you're just opening up a file and working on that.
R
Nova wrote:
| Most likely as there isn't a K. West listed for the staff:
|
| http://staffweb.plattscsd.org/
Actually, there is. Mr. West appears to teach the use of computers in
an industrial arts-ish vein. I used their local Google search to find
him.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
[email protected] wrote:
| I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH
| STUDENTS I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND
| AM HAVING DIFFICULTIES
Hmm. You've already heard about the all-caps thing from those who
weren't ever beginners - and it'd appear that all the Sketch-Up users
are officers of the spelling police - so you're stuck with
questionable advice from a guy who's never used the program...
Try creating a drawing that consists of nothing but an
appropriately-sized border and the title block of your own design. I
have two of these, one for portrait orientation drawings and one for
landscape-oriented drawings.
To use these in DesignCAD, I make my new drawing of an assembly or
part, then open my saved border/title block and copy it to the
clipboard. Then I close the border file and paste the border/title
block into my new drawing.
Now I can do a proportional re-size of the border and title block and
move it to surround the new drawing. Don't re-size any of the elements
of your new drawing because that'd screw up the dimensions!
When you like what you see, add text to the title block and save your
new drawing with text and title block.
SketchUp may or may not work like DesignCAD for these operations - but
it seem reasonable that it has at least similar capabilities that'll
let you get the job done.
HTH
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:00:58 -0400, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] stumbled in and
>mumbled:
>I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
>NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
>DIFFICULTIES
>
> Upon thinking a bit more on this, the following question comes to
>mind: Why choose rec.woodworking, to ask something like this, instead
>of one of the computer newsgroups, or forums? Oh yes, dags
>plattscsd.org and you come up with high school in NY. Kinda makes me
>wonder if it's not another school kid, wanting someone to do his
>homework for him.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
>humiliations?
>- Peter Egan
And the odds are that the OP will never appear here again...
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> writes:
> "Maxwell Lol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> Perhaps not, but they should know how to spell "sketch" and "border"
> >> Your
> >> ready acceptance of poor language skills is one of the reasons the
> >> students
> >> are doing so poorly in school
> >
> > Why do you assume the class is in English?
> >
>
> It is in Plattsburgh NY. Plattsburgh City School Districts
> http://www.plattscsd.org/
Ah. Sorry 'bout that.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Perhaps not, but they should know how to spell "sketch" and "border" Your
> ready acceptance of poor language skills is one of the reasons the students
> are doing so poorly in school
Why do you assume the class is in English?
Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth come in and
scream out:
I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
DIFFICULTIES
Well, well, aren't we the fortunate ones? I just checked and
seemingly this is your first post ever on-line. You might want to keep
in mind that all caps is the same as shouting, and is not well thought
of. Teacher, eh? Best check your punctuation and spelling. Yeah, I
can see where you could have difficulties, if you're trying to do a
boarder that objects.
JOAT
What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
humiliations?
- Peter Egan
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
>
First sketch the boarder. Have him or her sit by the table where you and
the boarder have your meals. That would make a nice homey picture.
Once done with the boarder, make a rectangular block for the title and have
the boarder sign it. You can title it "Boarder at Dinner"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
>
When I used to use Sketchup borders and title blocks were things it just
didn't even pretend to do. You had to to export a dxf or a jpeg to another
program for that sort of presentation. That was V4, maybe it has changed.
The forums at @last were very good and a better place for your query.
Tim w
"Maxwell Lol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>
>> Perhaps not, but they should know how to spell "sketch" and "border"
>> Your
>> ready acceptance of poor language skills is one of the reasons the
>> students
>> are doing so poorly in school
>
> Why do you assume the class is in English?
>
It is in Plattsburgh NY. Plattsburgh City School Districts
http://www.plattscsd.org/
If it is in the USA, it should be taught in English, the language we use to
communicate. It is a good thing to teach other languages for the sake of
learning to communicate with others in their native country but English
should be used otherwise in the US. It is also useful with tourist visiting
our country. When I visit other countries, I try to learn a bit of their
language
English is taught in may other countries so we damned well should do that
here too.
BTW, all four of my grandparents came to this country from Poland. They all
learned English.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As an engineering studeant it was a badge of honor to be a bad
> spellerer. I'm not sure I ever passed an english class with much more
> than a C and even that was by luck usually.
Not a badge of honor for me though.
Jim
>
>
> On Sep 19, 12:37 pm, DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 19 Sep, 13:01, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] doth come in and
>> > scream out:
>> > I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
>> > NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
>> > DIFFICULTIES
>>
>> > Well, well, aren't we the fortunate ones? I just checked and
>> > seemingly this is your first post ever on-line. You might want to keep
>> > in mind that all caps is the same as shouting, and is not well thought
>> > of. Teacher, eh? Best check your punctuation and spelling. Yeah, I
>> > can see where you could have difficulties, if you're trying to do a
>> > boarder that objects.
>>
>> > JOAT
>> > What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
>> > humiliations?
>> > - Peter Egan
>>
>> Now, now JT...I'll agree with the shouting part of your post but...
>>
>> Does a math teacher need to know how to speak French? Does a French
>> teacher need to know the pythagorean theorem?
>>
>> A teacher of a trade doesn't need to be an english major. My
>> grandfather was a heck of a mason and taught many people the trade,
>> all the while barely being able to write or spell at much above a
>> grade school level. However, hand him a trowel, a couple of bricks and
>> a willing student and he would amaze you.
>>
>> Give the guy credit for being a teacher instead of knocking him down
>> for poor grammar skills.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:35:17 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS
>> I NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
>> DIFFICULTIES
>>
>
>First sketch the boarder. Have him or her sit by the table where you and
>the boarder have your meals. That would make a nice homey picture.
>
>Once done with the boarder, make a rectangular block for the title and have
>the boarder sign it. You can title it "Boarder at Dinner"
>
And if you eat too much, you get broader?
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
J T wrote:
> Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] stumbled in and
> mumbled:
> I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
> NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
> DIFFICULTIES
>
> Upon thinking a bit more on this, the following question comes to
> mind: Why choose rec.woodworking, to ask something like this, instead
> of one of the computer newsgroups, or forums? Oh yes, dags
> plattscsd.org and you come up with high school in NY. Kinda makes me
> wonder if it's not another school kid, wanting someone to do his
> homework for him.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
> humiliations?
> - Peter Egan
>
Most likely as there isn't a K. West listed for the staff:
http://staffweb.plattscsd.org/
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:30:19 -0700, mac davis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:00:58 -0400, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>
>>Wed, Sep 19, 2007, 7:25am (EDT-3) [email protected] stumbled in and
>>mumbled:
>>I AM JUST LEARNING SCETCH UP AND WANT TO TEACH IT TO MY TECH STUDENTS I
>>NEED TO DO A BOARDER AND TITLE BLOCK AS A TEMPLATE AND AM HAVING
>>DIFFICULTIES
>>
>> Upon thinking a bit more on this, the following question comes to
>>mind: Why choose rec.woodworking, to ask something like this, instead
>>of one of the computer newsgroups, or forums? Oh yes, dags
>>plattscsd.org and you come up with high school in NY. Kinda makes me
>>wonder if it's not another school kid, wanting someone to do his
>>homework for him.
>>
>>
>>
>>JOAT
>>What is life without challenge and a constant stream of new
>>humiliations?
>>- Peter Egan
>
>And the odds are that the OP will never appear here again...
And that could be for at least two possible reasons.
Welcome to the Wreck.
--
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If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
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