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16/05/2016 10:31 AM

Jigsaw jams too often

Hi,
My Black & Decker jigsaw works if I ease into a cut, but recently has start=
ed to jam (and I hear the motor spin really fast and I hear gears slip) if =
I try to cut too fast. As I release the trigger, it starts to move again i=
f no force is applied to the cut. So, it works, but only if I bring it up =
to full speed before starting a cut and avoid any sudden cuts or turns. Is=
this something easily repairable, or time to buy a new one?
Advice appreciated.
Many thanks
Theodore.


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Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:26 AM

J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> On 5/16/2016 6:37 PM, krw wrote:
>>
>>> I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
>>> plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
>>> I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>>
>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
>> routine.
>
> Keep it. My old one died (needs a part that's no longer available)
> after several decades and quite frankly compared to the old one the new
> one is a piece of crap. I find that blade guides or no, half the time
> it decides it's going to cut a bevel whether I want one or not.


I
> suspect that the quick change doesn't hold the blade as firmly as the
> old screw-from-the-top clamp.
>
>
>

I would suspect you would be wrong.

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 11:47 PM

krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 22:55:22 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 16 May 2016 18:59:36 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>>>>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>>>>
>>>> ....or a Makita.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
>>>> Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
>>>> I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
>>>> outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>>>>
>>> I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
>>> plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
>>> I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. It would be very hard to justify replacing a Bosch unless you use it
>> "a lot" and it does not have the quick change blade feature.
>
> My Bosch does have the quick-change feature.
>
> I don't "justify" anything to do with woodworking. It's a hobby. By
> definition, it can't be justified. ;-)

If it is a hobby and you can afford it that is enough justification. :-)





>
>> IIRC Swingman has an older Bosch that has the blade change set up that is
>> similar to operating a combination lock. I think he pulls out the owners
>> manual each time he changes blades. :-)
>
> That would suck.
>


kk

krw

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 7:29 PM

On Wed, 18 May 2016 22:17:25 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2016 17:12:48 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/2016 11:29 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>>>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing
>>>> dance routine.
>>>
>>> I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
>>> this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, Probably refurbished because it was too hard to remember how to
>> replace the blade. A stellar saw other than that single element.
>
>When I worked part time at Woodcraft, one of the power tool reps told me
>to always buy a factory refurbished tool over a new one. His logic was
>that when a tool was returned, the reason was often hard to determine.
>So the repair crew went through and checked everything. A more thorough
>testing than the new ones received.

Or it could be a latent defect that got through test in the first
place and will again every time they do the same tests. I wouldn't
worry too much about it for tools but I'd never buy any refurb
electronics.

Ll

Leon

in reply to krw on 18/05/2016 7:29 PM

21/05/2016 8:00 AM

<[email protected].
>>>
>> I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
>> Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
>> terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.


> Good wireless mice are good for over a month on a battery
>

Actually a good mouse and or in my case a good track ball, Logitech M570,
the battery lasts well over a year.. Probably closer to 2 years.

kk

krw

in reply to krw on 18/05/2016 7:29 PM

20/05/2016 10:06 PM

On Fri, 20 May 2016 16:00:23 -0400, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-05-20 3:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
>> 4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
>>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>>> Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>>> arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>>> originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>>> long online documents.
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
>>> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
>>> version.
>>>
>>
>> Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
>> to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
>> this machine needs replaced.
>>
>I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
>Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
>terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.

I have Bluetooth mice for all of my computers. The little portable
mouse I have for my laptop and tablet is OK, as long as I'm working at
a desk. It doesn't work on soft surfaces (the buttons are on the
bottom).

Sk

Swingman

in reply to krw on 18/05/2016 7:29 PM

20/05/2016 7:25 PM

On 5/20/2016 7:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Good wireless mice are good for over a month on a battery

I use Logitech's by choice and they are routinely good for over a year,
and the newer one (M705) has an expected 3 year expected.

Only time will tell ...

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in reply to krw on 18/05/2016 7:29 PM

20/05/2016 8:06 PM

On Fri, 20 May 2016 16:00:23 -0400, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-05-20 3:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
>> 4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
>>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>>> Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>>> arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>>> originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>>> long online documents.
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
>>> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
>>> version.
>>>
>>
>> Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
>> to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
>> this machine needs replaced.
>>
>I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
>Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
>terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.
Good wireless mice are good for over a month on a battery

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 10:49 PM

notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2016-05-16, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately jigsaws with blowers don't always clear the path either.
>
> I kinda suspected that, but some blower has jes gotta be better than
> no blower, at all. ;)
>
> Here is the best reviews I've found:
>
> http://www.rockler.com/how-to/testing-top-shelf-jigsaws/
>
> Amazing! The Mafell can be had fer under $1K. ;)
>
> nb
>

I have an old Milwaukee that is a stellar saw but the blower in
ineffective. It does have a hole for locating a vac hose and that works
pretty good but I still never use it.

kk

krw

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 7:37 PM

On 16 May 2016 18:59:36 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>
>....or a Makita.
>
>Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
>Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
>I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
>outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>
I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to krw on 16/05/2016 7:37 PM

19/05/2016 10:59 PM

On 5/19/2016 10:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> I'd be hard pressed to take an HP if it was free. (actually I have one
> I got free, and I wouldn't want another)
>

HP has such a great reputation for many years they are still able to
trade on it and now sell cheap junk.

OTOH, one Carley becomes President we will get HP computers government
issued.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to krw on 16/05/2016 7:37 PM

21/05/2016 10:36 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Thu, 19 May 2016 22:32:06 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 5/19/2016 7:34 PM, krw wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
> >>>
> >>> Exactly ...
> >>>
> >>> Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
> >>> computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
> >>> taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
> >>> store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
> >>>
> >>> I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
> >>> sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.
> >>
> >> My wife has a Lenovo Yoga 3. The construction is impressive, though
> >> it's a little slow. When I replace this tablet, I'll probably buy a
> >> Yoga 900, or whatever replaces it.
> >>
> >
> >I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
> >Lenovo too.
> >
> >My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP loads
> >it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage it and
> >it's better, but still sucks.
> >
> >My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
> >grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
> >
> >I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as it's
> >not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without issues.
> >Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like assholes.
> >Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a real issue.
> The "proffessional" grade Lenovo T Pad with i5 and 8 or moer Gb RAM
> is a FAST and reliable machine
>
> I'd be hard pressed to take an HP if it was free. (actually I have one
> I got free, and I wopudn't want another)

I used to feel that way, but my company-issue machine is an HP that is
actually quite nice.

c

in reply to krw on 16/05/2016 7:37 PM

19/05/2016 10:50 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 22:32:06 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 5/19/2016 7:34 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>>>
>>> Exactly ...
>>>
>>> Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
>>> computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
>>> taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
>>> store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
>>>
>>> I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
>>> sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.
>>
>> My wife has a Lenovo Yoga 3. The construction is impressive, though
>> it's a little slow. When I replace this tablet, I'll probably buy a
>> Yoga 900, or whatever replaces it.
>>
>
>I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
>Lenovo too.
>
>My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP loads
>it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage it and
>it's better, but still sucks.
>
>My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
>grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
>
>I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as it's
>not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without issues.
>Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like assholes.
>Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a real issue.
The "proffessional" grade Lenovo T Pad with i5 and 8 or moer Gb RAM
is a FAST and reliable machine

I'd be hard pressed to take an HP if it was free. (actually I have one
I got free, and I wopudn't want another)

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 5:18 PM

notbob <[email protected]> writes:
>On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>
>Lucky you!
>
>I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
>two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>
>**NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
> shipped to customers**
>
>The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
>He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
>was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>
>He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
>go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
>Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
>Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>
>What were you saying about refurbs? ;)

Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.

[*] A company that has little respect and poor customer service.

c

in reply to [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) on 19/05/2016 5:18 PM

21/05/2016 2:35 PM

On Sat, 21 May 2016 08:00:57 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected].
>>>>
>>> I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
>>> Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
>>> terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.
>
>
>> Good wireless mice are good for over a month on a battery
>>
>
>Actually a good mouse and or in my case a good track ball, Logitech M570,
>the battery lasts well over a year.. Probably closer to 2 years.
Depends how much it is used - nbut yes, a month is a very short time.
If a user is mousing heavily 8 hours a day, not too many will last a
year. At one customer's office they run rechargweable AAA batteries in
the mice - with 2 sets on the charger circulatinf every couple of
months.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 1:35 PM

On 5/19/2016 11:22 AM, notbob wrote:

> What were you saying about refurbs? ;)


You do have to be smart about it ...

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in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

21/05/2016 12:04 AM

On Sat, 21 May 2016 03:44:30 -0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2016 15:09:18 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>
>>>I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many
>>>lately have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are
>>>becoming consumer grade.
>
>> That was inevitable when B&D took them over.
>> Used to be B&B made decent pro tools too - but hat is decades ago.
>
>I don't know that it was inevitable - B&D has owned DeWalt for
>eons - but since B&D has chosen to make DeWalt their main brand
>in Home Depot and Lowes maybe 15 years ago, they have definately
>moved more to the consumer side of the scale.

B&D took over DeWalt in 1960 - earlier than I had thought - and moved
all power tool production off-shore about 2002. In 1992 B&D started
rebranding all their "pro quality" tools to DeWalt. It was about this
time we saw the deWalt line starting downhill. In 2004 they bought
PorterCable.
>
>I am reminded that a long time ago, like early 90s, there was an
>ex-B&D engineer in the group. He said B&D tools were designed
>for 9 hours lifetime - because the average homeowner used the
>tool for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, 4 or 5 times a year, and a
>9 hour life was plenty for that market.
>
>I don't think DeWalt tools are quite to that point.
>
>John
yet.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 9:55 PM

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Hi,
> My Black & Decker jigsaw works if I ease into a cut, but recently has
> started to jam (and I hear the motor spin really fast and I hear gears
> slip) if I try to cut too fast. As I release the trigger, it starts
> to move again if no force is applied to the cut. So, it works, but
> only if I bring it up to full speed before starting a cut and avoid
> any sudden cuts or turns. Is this something easily repairable, or
> time to buy a new one? Advice appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Theodore.
>

I took one of them apart once. The orbital mechanism was a pin on a
shaft that spun in a slot connected to the blade. As the shaft spin, the
pin (located way off center) would move in the slot and thus change
height and result in the blade going up and down. Chances are, that's
where your trouble is.

Like the others (well respected members of the group, btw) have said,
it's time to replace it. A friend of mine let me borrow his Bosch, and
when I said "Thank You" for the loan, he said "don't thank me, you're
just going to have to go buy one." I did.

Puckdropper

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 1:33 PM

Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> http://festools-online.com/564513-festool-cordless-drill-txs-li-2-6-plu
> s.html
>

Why do I feel like I have to be over 18 to visit that site?

Oh, and guys look: FREE T-SHIRT OR CAP!

Puckdropper

wn

woodchucker

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 1:58 PM

On 5/16/2016 2:59 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>
> ....or a Makita.
>
> Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
> Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
> I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
> outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>
> nb
>

My dewally has a blower.

--
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Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 11:49 PM

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/17/2016 6:24 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 5/17/2016 2:09 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2016 2:41 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My dewally has a blower.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.
>>>>
>>>> I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
>>>> thing as a drill/driver. Duh.
>>>>
>>>> I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
>>>> drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
>>> wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
>>> tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
>>> little impact driver. its really nice.
>>
>> If you ever consider replacing, consider a Festool drill.
>> I know, I know...
>>
>> I have owned a 9.6 volt Panasonic drill/driver, the best until I bought
>> the Festool, 2- Dewalt 9.6 volt drills/drivers, and a 12 volt Makita
>> drill/driver and 12 volt Makita impact driver. And won an 18 volt Bosch
>> impact.
>>
>> I used the Makita impact as much as the drill up until the batteries
>> were pooping out and I replaced with the 15 volt Festool with the
>> attachments. Since getting this drill I on an occasion or two have used
>> the Bosch impact, mostly as a drill so that I don't have to switch
>> driver bits with drill bits.
>> Anyway the Festool drills seem to have an amazing amount of power. I
>> can start a 3" #10 deck screw into a 2x4 to fasten to another 2x4. I
>> can drive slowly, quickly, stop, start slowly, what ever I want. I'm
>> not sure I have ever stalled the drill.
>>
>> Anyway Festool is really getting serious about selling their drills and
>> they can be had for less than $300 these days.
>>
>> Just food for thought.
>
> That's still giving up 2 legs and 2 testicles .. less than $300, last
> time I looked they were $500 which in my mind was not worth it.

http://festools-online.com/564513-festool-cordless-drill-txs-li-2-6-plus.html




Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 3:50 PM

On 5/16/2016 12:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> My Black & Decker jigsaw works if I ease into a cut, but recently has started to jam (and I hear the motor spin really fast and I hear gears slip) if I try to cut too fast. As I release the trigger, it starts to move again if no force is applied to the cut. So, it works, but only if I bring it up to full speed before starting a cut and avoid any sudden cuts or turns. Is this something easily repairable, or time to buy a new one?
> Advice appreciated.

It's a tool that will often get the job done, but not handily as it ages
and wears, as you're finding out. If you use it enough to justify a
better tool, now is the time to upgrade.

The old sayings around here for twenty years or more: in #2 below, et al, :

A great excuse to buy a new tool, and, "Buy the best, and only cry once ..."

By our old Economist friend Luigi Zanasi, (AKA on FaceBook Luigi Dena
Ch'ŏ Zanasi)

http://www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html

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in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 1:12 PM

On 19 May 2016 16:22:23 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>
>Lucky you!
>
>I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
>two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>
>**NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
> shipped to customers**
>
>The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
>He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
>was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>
>He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
>go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
>Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
>Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>
>What were you saying about refurbs? ;)
>
>nb
>
Refurbed junk is still junk. Some stuff should never be sold, new or
refurbed - and if something has an intermittent problem it is very
likely the refurb process won;t find and fix the problem. A lot of
what is sold as refurb is just stuff that had damaged packaging or has
been dropped in shipping do the manufacturer will not puit on full
warranty.

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 10:55 PM

krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 16 May 2016 18:59:36 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>>
>> ....or a Makita.
>>
>> Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
>> Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
>> I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
>> outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>>
> I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
> plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
> I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>

LOL. It would be very hard to justify replacing a Bosch unless you use it
"a lot" and it does not have the quick change blade feature.

IIRC Swingman has an older Bosch that has the blade change set up that is
similar to operating a combination lock. I think he pulls out the owners
manual each time he changes blades. :-)

wn

woodchucker

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:35 PM

On 5/17/2016 6:24 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 5/17/2016 2:09 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 5/17/2016 2:41 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My dewally has a blower.
>>>
>>> Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.
>>>
>>> I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
>>> thing as a drill/driver. Duh.
>>>
>>> I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
>>> drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>>
>> I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
>> wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
>> tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
>> little impact driver. its really nice.
>
> If you ever consider replacing, consider a Festool drill.
> I know, I know...
>
> I have owned a 9.6 volt Panasonic drill/driver, the best until I bought
> the Festool, 2- Dewalt 9.6 volt drills/drivers, and a 12 volt Makita
> drill/driver and 12 volt Makita impact driver. And won an 18 volt Bosch
> impact.
>
> I used the Makita impact as much as the drill up until the batteries
> were pooping out and I replaced with the 15 volt Festool with the
> attachments. Since getting this drill I on an occasion or two have used
> the Bosch impact, mostly as a drill so that I don't have to switch
> driver bits with drill bits.
> Anyway the Festool drills seem to have an amazing amount of power. I
> can start a 3" #10 deck screw into a 2x4 to fasten to another 2x4. I
> can drive slowly, quickly, stop, start slowly, what ever I want. I'm
> not sure I have ever stalled the drill.
>
> Anyway Festool is really getting serious about selling their drills and
> they can be had for less than $300 these days.
>
> Just food for thought.

That's still giving up 2 legs and 2 testicles .. less than $300, last
time I looked they were $500 which in my mind was not worth it.
>
>
>>
>> I like both (don't get me wrong), I wanted light weight and the ability
>> to stand up.
>>
>> I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many lately
>> have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are becoming
>> consumer grade.
>>
>>
>>
> A friend bought a DeWalt jig saw several years ago. You could be sawing
> and suddenly no longer cutting. The blade would come right out of the
> saw. We never quite figured out how to hold our mouths to get the saw
> to permanently hold the blades.



--
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Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 11:55 AM

On 5/17/2016 11:29 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
>> routine.
>
> I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
> this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!

Leon was right though ... I do have to RTFM to change the blade.

Moreso the older I get.

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"J. Clarke"

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:04 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 5/16/2016 6:37 PM, krw wrote:
>
> > I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
> > plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
> > I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>
> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
> routine.

Keep it. My old one died (needs a part that's no longer available)
after several decades and quite frankly compared to the old one the new
one is a piece of crap. I find that blade guides or no, half the time
it decides it's going to cut a bevel whether I want one or not. I
suspect that the quick change doesn't hold the blade as firmly as the
old screw-from-the-top clamp.

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 8:17 PM

On 5/18/2016 5:17 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 17:12:48 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/2016 11:29 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>>>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing
>>>> dance routine.
>>>
>>> I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
>>> this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, Probably refurbished because it was too hard to remember how to
>> replace the blade. A stellar saw other than that single element.
>
> When I worked part time at Woodcraft, one of the power tool reps told me
> to always buy a factory refurbished tool over a new one. His logic was
> that when a tool was returned, the reason was often hard to determine.
> So the repair crew went through and checked everything. A more thorough
> testing than the new ones received.
>
>


That makes perfect scene.

JM

John McCoy

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 5:57 PM

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Hi,
> My Black & Decker jigsaw works if I ease into a cut, but recently has
> started to jam (and I hear the motor spin really fast and I hear gears
> slip) if I try to cut too fast. As I release the trigger, it starts
> to move again if no force is applied to the cut. So, it works, but
> only if I bring it up to full speed before starting a cut and avoid
> any sudden cuts or turns. Is this something easily repairable, or
> time to buy a new one? Advice appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Theodore.

You don't say what model it is, so just taking a wild guess
at the problem I suspect the orbital action has become worn,
and is allowing the reciprocating motion to disengage when
the blade is forced backward.

I'm also going to guess that it is something not easily or
cheaply repairable.

Note that B&D are on the lower end of the price and quality
spectrum. If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.

(having said that, I recently repaired a 35 year old B&D jigsaw,
but I had to have a machinist friend make a part for me to do
so, which isn't an option most people have).

John

wn

woodchucker

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

19/05/2016 10:32 PM

On 5/19/2016 7:34 PM, krw wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>>
>> Exactly ...
>>
>> Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
>> computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
>> taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
>> store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
>>
>> I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
>> sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.
>
> My wife has a Lenovo Yoga 3. The construction is impressive, though
> it's a little slow. When I replace this tablet, I'll probably buy a
> Yoga 900, or whatever replaces it.
>

I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
Lenovo too.

My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP loads
it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage it and
it's better, but still sucks.

My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.

I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as it's
not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without issues.
Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like assholes.
Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a real issue.

--
Jeff

Mm

Markem

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

19/05/2016 9:30 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 15:58:55 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 5/19/2016 1:20 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>>>
>>> Lucky you!
>>>
>>> I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
>>> two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>>>
>>> **NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
>>> shipped to customers**
>>>
>>> The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
>>> He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
>>> was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>>>
>>> He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
>>> go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
>>> Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
>>> Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>>>
>>> What were you saying about refurbs? ;)
>>>
>>
>> Guess there's always the other side of the story to every story. Sucks
>> that your experience was what it was, but I've not had that kind of
>> experience with refurbs. I guess you'd have to question their refurb
>> process, huh?
>>
>>
>I returned a "unit" to Comcast and all returns go into a pile of other
>"Units". I suspect they all get labeled as refurbished and sent back
>out with the installer when they sign up a new customer. The installer
>then learns whether it was a good unit or bad unit that was turned in.

Yeah they certainly do not want to pay someone to test them and make
sure they work right. Quality Control buy the customer works real
cheap when you have a monopoly. Even when you do not too.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

20/05/2016 4:20 AM

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
> Lenovo too.
>
> My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP
> loads it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage
> it and it's better, but still sucks.
>
> My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
> grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
>
> I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as
> it's not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without
> issues. Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like
> assholes. Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a
> real issue.
>

Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
Experience. Ever. Ever!

Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
long online documents.

Puckdropper

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

21/05/2016 10:46 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Puckdropper says...
>
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
> > Lenovo too.
> >
> > My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP
> > loads it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage
> > it and it's better, but still sucks.
> >
> > My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
> > grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
> >
> > I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as
> > it's not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without
> > issues. Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like
> > assholes. Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a
> > real issue.
> >
>
> Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
> Experience. Ever. Ever!

Some HP Elitebook models have a Trackpoint, or a reasonable facsimile
therof.

> Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
> arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
> originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
> long online documents.
>
> Puckdropper

c

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

19/05/2016 4:45 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>
>Exactly ...
>
>Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
>computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
>taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
>store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
>
>I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
>sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.


"If you want first quality oats you need to be willing to pay first
quality prices. If on the other hand you are willing to settle for
oats that have already been through the horsr, THEY do come a little
cheaper"

Anything but Dell's highest end laptops tend to fall into the "already
been through the horse" group, along with consumer grade HP/ Compaq
and the low end Acer and Asus models. (and yes, even the low end
Toshiba)

kk

krw

in reply to John McCoy on 16/05/2016 5:57 PM

19/05/2016 7:34 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>
>Exactly ...
>
>Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
>computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
>taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
>store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
>
>I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
>sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.

My wife has a Lenovo Yoga 3. The construction is impressive, though
it's a little slow. When I replace this tablet, I'll probably buy a
Yoga 900, or whatever replaces it.

JM

John McCoy

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:26 PM

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in news:oIydneDJrsT98abKnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:

> I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
> wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
> tighten and stay tight especially in reverse)

Yeah, my Hitachi drill does that too. Seems to be a generic
problem with Hitachi chucks. Otherwise a nice drill.

John

JM

John McCoy

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

21/05/2016 3:44 AM

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tue, 17 May 2016 15:09:18 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>>I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many
>>lately have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are
>>becoming consumer grade.

> That was inevitable when B&D took them over.
> Used to be B&B made decent pro tools too - but hat is decades ago.

I don't know that it was inevitable - B&D has owned DeWalt for
eons - but since B&D has chosen to make DeWalt their main brand
in Home Depot and Lowes maybe 15 years ago, they have definately
moved more to the consumer side of the scale.

I am reminded that a long time ago, like early 90s, there was an
ex-B&D engineer in the group. He said B&D tools were designed
for 9 hours lifetime - because the average homeowner used the
tool for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, 4 or 5 times a year, and a
9 hour life was plenty for that market.

I don't think DeWalt tools are quite to that point.

John

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 5:12 PM

On 5/17/2016 11:29 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
>> routine.
>
> I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
> this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!
>
>

LOL, Probably refurbished because it was too hard to remember how to
replace the blade. A stellar saw other than that single element.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 11:03 AM

On 5/18/2016 8:33 AM, Puckdropper wrote:

> Oh, and guys look: FREE T-SHIRT OR CAP!

Hey, it you can sell used cars with ten thousand balloons and a giant
flag, or two ...

Besides, Linda loves my NEW Festool hat I won for visiting their road
show last month.

She wears it all the time ...

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Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 10:33 AM

On 5/18/2016 8:33 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> http://festools-online.com/564513-festool-cordless-drill-txs-li-2-6-plu
>> s.html
>>
>
> Why do I feel like I have to be over 18 to visit that site?
>
> Oh, and guys look: FREE T-SHIRT OR CAP!
>
> Puckdropper
>


Hey! LOL. Just bringing your attention to the new pricing.

While my lone Festool drill does not completely replace my 18 volt
impact, should my impact poop out I will probably switch over to a
ratchet to manually install lag screws, if the Festool drill can't drive
them, but so far it does.
I probable have not used the impact over 4~5 times in the last 4-1/2
years since getting the Festool drill. My Festool drill has pretty much
made my impact obsolete.


FWIW I visited the Festool road show and was given the option of a
Festool cap or a Festool 15 volt battery. I took the battery. ;~)

c

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 10:02 PM

On Tue, 17 May 2016 15:09:18 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 5/17/2016 2:41 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My dewally has a blower.
>>
>> Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.
>>
>> I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
>> thing as a drill/driver. Duh.
>>
>> I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
>> drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)
>>
>> nb
>>
>
>I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
>wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
>tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
>little impact driver. its really nice.
>
>I like both (don't get me wrong), I wanted light weight and the ability
>to stand up.
>
>I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many lately
>have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are becoming
>consumer grade.
That was inevitable when B&D took them over.
Used to be B&B made decent pro tools too - but hat is decades ago.

m

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 9:07 PM

Hi, I'm the OP.
Sounds very much like my jigsaw's time is not long for this earth.
Thanks for the advice, on all parts.

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 6:59 PM

On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.

....or a Makita.

Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|

nb

c

in reply to notbob on 16/05/2016 6:59 PM

19/05/2016 4:47 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 19:34:48 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>notbob <[email protected]> writes:
>>On 2016-05-19, Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>>
>>I doubt Century-Link even bothers with the mechanics of modems. Sure,
>>they gotta put their own splash page on the software, but my modem is
>>made by Zyxel, one of several modem brands C-L uses.
>
>But, you're taking C-L's word that the modem is a refurb, when it
>is more likely just a return from another customer.
>
And they don't sort the bin between returned for upgrade or returned
on termination of service from the returned reported as defective..

c

in reply to notbob on 16/05/2016 6:59 PM

19/05/2016 10:46 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 19:34:43 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2016 13:50:28 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>>
>>Exactly ...
>>
>>Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
>>computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
>>taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
>>store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.
>>
>>I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
>>sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.
>
>My wife has a Lenovo Yoga 3. The construction is impressive, though
>it's a little slow. When I replace this tablet, I'll probably buy a
>Yoga 900, or whatever replaces it.
Pretty hard to beat Lenovo stuff

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 8:22 PM

On 2016-05-16, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> Unfortunately jigsaws with blowers don't always clear the path either.

I kinda suspected that, but some blower has jes gotta be better than
no blower, at all. ;)

Here is the best reviews I've found:

http://www.rockler.com/how-to/testing-top-shelf-jigsaws/

Amazing! The Mafell can be had fer under $1K. ;)

nb

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 6:41 PM

On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> My dewally has a blower.

Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.

I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
thing as a drill/driver. Duh.

I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)

nb

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:19 PM

On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
> little impact driver. its really nice.

Mine is a 13V drill/driver with mostly dead batteries. The batteries
will hold up fer around-the-house stuff, but my buddy who gave it to
me is a pro and wanted longer bat life, so got a new 18V Hitachi. I
can buy new batteries, but the old one's are OK, fer now. I'd already
gone out and bought a true impact driver, thinking that was my only
solution:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ImpactDriverWithBits.png>

....but that was before I knew about "drill/drivers". Love my
Hitachi, even with the old batteries. ;)

nb

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 4:22 PM

On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:

> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.

Lucky you!

I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.

**NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
shipped to customers**

The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
was having none of it. I wanted it working right!

He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)

What were you saying about refurbs? ;)

nb

nn

notbob

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 6:54 PM

On 2016-05-19, Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:

> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.

I doubt Century-Link even bothers with the mechanics of modems. Sure,
they gotta put their own splash page on the software, but my modem is
made by Zyxel, one of several modem brands C-L uses.

> [*] A company that has little respect and poor customer service.

No argument, there. 8|

nb

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 2:37 PM

On 5/16/2016 1:59 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>
> ....or a Makita.
>
> Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
> Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
> I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
> outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>
> nb
>

Unfortunately jigsaws with blowers don't always clear the path either.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 5:22 PM

On 5/18/2016 5:17 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> When I worked part time at Woodcraft, one of the power tool reps told me
> to always buy a factory refurbished tool over a new one. His logic was
> that when a tool was returned, the reason was often hard to determine.
> So the repair crew went through and checked everything. A more thorough
> testing than the new ones received.

My rationale exactly, when I buy a refurbished/returned/scratch n'dent
laptop from Dell when I need a new(er) one.

Hasn't failed me yet ...

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kk

krw

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 7:32 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:04:39 -0400, Mike Marlow
<[email protected]> wrote:

>krw wrote:
>
>>
>> Or it could be a latent defect that got through test in the first
>> place and will again every time they do the same tests. I wouldn't
>> worry too much about it for tools but I'd never buy any refurb
>> electronics.
>>
>
>I buy refurb electronics all of the time, and have for a lot of years.
>Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought. Often
>times the refurb process is to simply replace the offending part with
>brand new and make it available. Hardly any different from buying brand
>new. Generally speaking they also upgrade any parts that have been
>superseded by revisions or updates as well.

I've had trouble with refurb electronics. Really screwy problems.

kk

krw

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 7:56 PM

On Tue, 17 May 2016 07:04:38 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>>
>> On 5/16/2016 6:37 PM, krw wrote:
>>
>> > I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
>> > plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
>> > I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>>
>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
>> routine.
>
>Keep it. My old one died (needs a part that's no longer available)
>after several decades and quite frankly compared to the old one the new
>one is a piece of crap. I find that blade guides or no, half the time
>it decides it's going to cut a bevel whether I want one or not. I
>suspect that the quick change doesn't hold the blade as firmly as the
>old screw-from-the-top clamp.
>
I've never had a problem with my "new" (6-7YO) Bosch. It's stellar.

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 4:29 PM

On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:

> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
> routine.

I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!


--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 8:51 AM

On Mon, 16 May 2016 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT)
[email protected] wrote:

> repairable, or time to buy a new one? Advice appreciated. Many thanks

buy a bosch
you will not regret it
especially if you do a lot of jigsawing











LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

18/05/2016 10:17 PM

On Tue, 17 May 2016 17:12:48 -0500, Leon wrote:

> On 5/17/2016 11:29 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2016 18:54:36 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
>>> and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing
>>> dance routine.
>>
>> I've got one of those as well. Never compared it with a newer one as
>> this one still works like a charm. And I bought it refurbished!
>>
>>
>>
> LOL, Probably refurbished because it was too hard to remember how to
> replace the blade. A stellar saw other than that single element.

When I worked part time at Woodcraft, one of the power tool reps told me
to always buy a factory refurbished tool over a new one. His logic was
that when a tool was returned, the reason was often hard to determine.
So the repair crew went through and checked everything. A more thorough
testing than the new ones received.


--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Larry Blanchard on 18/05/2016 10:17 PM

21/05/2016 4:54 AM

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> The crappy HP Elitebook, some NEC and Samsung, Fujitsu, some Del
> Latitude, some Toshiba and soime Acer use a "track stick" type device
> in the center of the keyboard.
>
> My first laptop - an AST had the track-stick interface as well.

Thanks, good to see they're out there. I want to evangelize these things
when I can, other than the learning curve (which is really quite short)
they're better in every way than the trackpads. Plus, my mouse cursor
doesn't go flying and randomly click on things as I type.

I was playing with Linux on an iBook and the cursor went flying as I was
typing. Annoying.

Btw, has anyone got experience with Linux on the PowerPC processor? I'm
running MintPPC, based on Debian. Trouble is, I can't build anything
because of an error I can't find any information on. Yeah, I know this
is kinda like smoothing with an ax: Possible and even sometimes does
pretty good but just not very common. Oh well, just thought I'd toss it
out...

Puckdropper

c

in reply to Larry Blanchard on 18/05/2016 10:17 PM

20/05/2016 3:43 PM

On 20 May 2016 19:01:20 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>>Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>>
>>>Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>>arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>>originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>>long online documents.
>>>
>>>Puckdropper
>> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
>> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
>> version.
>>
>
>Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
>to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
>this machine needs replaced.
>
>Puckdropper

The crappy HP Elitebook, some NEC and Samsung, Fujitsu, some Del
Latitude, some Toshiba and soime Acer use a "track stick" type device
in the center of the keyboard.

My first laptop - an AST had the track-stick interface as well.

c

in reply to Larry Blanchard on 18/05/2016 10:17 PM

20/05/2016 3:33 PM

On 20 May 2016 19:01:20 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>>Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>>
>>>Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>>arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>>originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>>long online documents.
>>>
>>>Puckdropper
>> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
>> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
>> version.
>>
>
>Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
>to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
>this machine needs replaced.
>
>Puckdropper
Replace with another Lenovo - but I've had Acer and Toshibas with the
swizzle stick, as well as my firs laptop - a 3 letter name I can't
remember at the moment.

MM

Mike Marlow

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 12:04 PM

krw wrote:

>
> Or it could be a latent defect that got through test in the first
> place and will again every time they do the same tests. I wouldn't
> worry too much about it for tools but I'd never buy any refurb
> electronics.
>

I buy refurb electronics all of the time, and have for a lot of years.
Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought. Often
times the refurb process is to simply replace the offending part with
brand new and make it available. Hardly any different from buying brand
new. Generally speaking they also upgrade any parts that have been
superseded by revisions or updates as well.

--
-Mike-
[email protected]

MM

Mike Marlow

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 2:20 PM

notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>
> Lucky you!
>
> I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
> two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>
> **NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
> shipped to customers**
>
> The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
> He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
> was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>
> He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
> go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
> Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
> Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>
> What were you saying about refurbs? ;)
>

Guess there's always the other side of the story to every story. Sucks
that your experience was what it was, but I've not had that kind of
experience with refurbs. I guess you'd have to question their refurb
process, huh?


--
-Mike-
[email protected]

LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 11:55 PM

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:04:39 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:

> I buy refurb electronics all of the time, and have for a lot of years.
> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought. Often
> times the refurb process is to simply replace the offending part with
> brand new and make it available.

I haven't bought a new computer since I retired. We've got 4 at
present. One of them develops problems about once a year. I go down to
our local recycler and pick up a refurbished one, usually faster and with
more memory, for $100 or so.

I've even had good luck with garage sale ones :-).

4 years is a pretty good lifespan - even if a new one would last longer,
which is not a given, it'd be obsolete by then.

As best I can remember, I've had one refurbished one fail a week after I
got it. It was replaced promptly. I had one from a garage sale fail,
but I only paid $25 for it and I got some usable DIMMs and a good hard
drive out of it.

But I do frequent backups so I never lose much, if anything, when one of
the computers dies. If it was a business, I wouldn't trust anything but
a new computer from a company like HP and I'd be sure to use RAID disks
on it and do daily backups.


--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.

kk

krw

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 8:00 PM

On Mon, 16 May 2016 22:55:22 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 16 May 2016 18:59:36 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-05-16, John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you use a jigsaw frequently, you might want to
>>>> look at a higher-end model, like a Bosch.
>>>
>>> ....or a Makita.
>>>
>>> Make sure any jigsaw you purchase has a built-in sawdust blower.
>>> Screw all the other features. I bought a DeWalt and it has NO blower.
>>> I gotta lean over the top of the jigsaw to manually blow the sawdust
>>> outta the way to see the cutting line! Totally infuriating. 8|
>>>
>> I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
>> plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
>> I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.
>>
>
>LOL. It would be very hard to justify replacing a Bosch unless you use it
>"a lot" and it does not have the quick change blade feature.

My Bosch does have the quick-change feature.

I don't "justify" anything to do with woodworking. It's a hobby. By
definition, it can't be justified. ;-)

>IIRC Swingman has an older Bosch that has the blade change set up that is
>similar to operating a combination lock. I think he pulls out the owners
>manual each time he changes blades. :-)

That would suck.

wn

woodchucker

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 3:09 PM

On 5/17/2016 2:41 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My dewally has a blower.
>
> Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.
>
> I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
> thing as a drill/driver. Duh.
>
> I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
> drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)
>
> nb
>

I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
little impact driver. its really nice.

I like both (don't get me wrong), I wanted light weight and the ability
to stand up.

I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many lately
have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are becoming
consumer grade.



--
Jeff

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

17/05/2016 5:24 PM

On 5/17/2016 2:09 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 5/17/2016 2:41 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-05-17, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> My dewally has a blower.
>>
>> Apparently, I got the cheap one. I recall it came with a palm sander.
>>
>> I also bought the DW 13V drill gun, not realizing there was such a
>> thing as a drill/driver. Duh.
>>
>> I've leaned a lot, since then. I now have a used Hitachi
>> drill/driver. Waaaay better. ;)
>>
>> nb
>>
>
> I have a 10v hitachi drill and impact driver set. I got it because I
> wanted a light duty drill. Well the drill is ok (chuck sucks won't
> tighten and stay tight especially in reverse) but the surprise was the
> little impact driver. its really nice.

If you ever consider replacing, consider a Festool drill.
I know, I know...

I have owned a 9.6 volt Panasonic drill/driver, the best until I bought
the Festool, 2- Dewalt 9.6 volt drills/drivers, and a 12 volt Makita
drill/driver and 12 volt Makita impact driver. And won an 18 volt Bosch
impact.

I used the Makita impact as much as the drill up until the batteries
were pooping out and I replaced with the 15 volt Festool with the
attachments. Since getting this drill I on an occasion or two have used
the Bosch impact, mostly as a drill so that I don't have to switch
driver bits with drill bits.
Anyway the Festool drills seem to have an amazing amount of power. I
can start a 3" #10 deck screw into a 2x4 to fasten to another 2x4. I
can drive slowly, quickly, stop, start slowly, what ever I want. I'm
not sure I have ever stalled the drill.

Anyway Festool is really getting serious about selling their drills and
they can be had for less than $300 these days.

Just food for thought.


>
> I like both (don't get me wrong), I wanted light weight and the ability
> to stand up.
>
> I am not a fan of many of the dewally stuff. Some are good, many lately
> have me wondering what happened to them. To me they are becoming
> consumer grade.
>
>
>
A friend bought a DeWalt jig saw several years ago. You could be sawing
and suddenly no longer cutting. The blade would come right out of the
saw. We never quite figured out how to hold our mouths to get the saw
to permanently hold the blades.

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 12:22 PM

On 5/19/2016 11:22 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>
> Lucky you!
>
> I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
> two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>
> **NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
> shipped to customers**
>
> The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
> He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
> was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>
> He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
> go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
> Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
> Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>
> What were you saying about refurbs? ;)
>
> nb
>
>


Is this a router provided by an internet company? Most often you are
leasing or being provided equipment as part of the "deal". Seldom,
unless you are a brand new customer, do you get anything but refurbished
equipment and I seriously doubt any of that stuff is really refurbished
so much as recycled. I have been down that road.

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 3:58 PM

On 5/19/2016 1:20 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2016-05-19, Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought.
>>
>> Lucky you!
>>
>> I've had Century-Link replace my DLS/wifi modem 3 times. The first
>> two shipped to me were refurbs, neither of which solved the problem.
>>
>> **NOTE: Century-Link will ship nothing BUT refurbs. NO new modems
>> shipped to customers**
>>
>> The third was also a refurb, which the C-L tech brought to my house.
>> He tried to tell me, "that's the way it is, sometimes". I told him I
>> was having none of it. I wanted it working right!
>>
>> He finally relented and said we could try one more thing, but he'd hafta
>> go to the shop. Back in about 15 mins, he brought a BRAND NEW modem.
>> Same model as the previous three, but not a refurb. It worked!!
>> Problem solved. End of story. (which is true)
>>
>> What were you saying about refurbs? ;)
>>
>
> Guess there's always the other side of the story to every story. Sucks
> that your experience was what it was, but I've not had that kind of
> experience with refurbs. I guess you'd have to question their refurb
> process, huh?
>
>
I returned a "unit" to Comcast and all returns go into a pile of other
"Units". I suspect they all get labeled as refurbished and sent back
out with the installer when they sign up a new customer. The installer
then learns whether it was a good unit or bad unit that was turned in.

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 7:34 PM

notbob <[email protected]> writes:
>On 2016-05-19, Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.
>
>I doubt Century-Link even bothers with the mechanics of modems. Sure,
>they gotta put their own splash page on the software, but my modem is
>made by Zyxel, one of several modem brands C-L uses.

But, you're taking C-L's word that the modem is a refurb, when it
is more likely just a return from another customer.

wn

woodchucker

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 10:59 PM

On 5/19/2016 7:55 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:04:39 -0400, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> I buy refurb electronics all of the time, and have for a lot of years.
>> Never had a single problem with any of the stuff I've bought. Often
>> times the refurb process is to simply replace the offending part with
>> brand new and make it available.
>
> I haven't bought a new computer since I retired. We've got 4 at
> present. One of them develops problems about once a year. I go down to
> our local recycler and pick up a refurbished one, usually faster and with
> more memory, for $100 or so.
>
> I've even had good luck with garage sale ones :-).
>
> 4 years is a pretty good lifespan - even if a new one would last longer,
> which is not a given, it'd be obsolete by then.
>
> As best I can remember, I've had one refurbished one fail a week after I
> got it. It was replaced promptly. I had one from a garage sale fail,
> but I only paid $25 for it and I got some usable DIMMs and a good hard
> drive out of it.
>
> But I do frequent backups so I never lose much, if anything, when one of
> the computers dies. If it was a business, I wouldn't trust anything but
> a new computer from a company like HP and I'd be sure to use RAID disks
> on it and do daily backups.
>
>

HP's are not like they were a while back.
Our Gen 9's started rebooting.. Turns out it's a feature.
Except our customers were not happy about the new feature.. Neither were
we. We had serious issues with Gen 9's... systems that failed
miserably, machines that would reset the date every few minutes.
Required a new driver... WHAT!! a driver for the date?? Yep HP is driver
happy.
We moved to CISCO's... looks like they don't QA their machines. Every
machine failed, and required replacement parts .. of course you buy new,
but the parts are refurbs. And many of them failed. (not a knock on
refurbs since I have done well with refurbs).

Now we are moving on to Lenovo servers, and we'll see how they go.

One of my customers decided to host with Dell in Dell's data center. So
it's all Dell. It's turning out the numbers from them are slower than
equiv equipment elsewhere. Real slow. So I'm not impressed with them,and
they have been working on it. Their i/o is so slow, since we can't see
what they've done I can't tell if its config or machines. The SAN is
brand new, and we are the only ones on it.

And that's why it's getting harder to figure out who's king right now.

But there is a lot to be unimpressed about.

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Swingman

in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

16/05/2016 6:54 PM

On 5/16/2016 6:37 PM, krw wrote:

> I'd think the sawdust sucker on a (cue Leon) Festool would be a big
> plus. I've thought about buying one a couple of times but every time
> I use my Bosch, I decide there is no way I could justify replacing it.

Much as I like my Festools, No way I'd let go of my Bosch jig saw ...
and mine is one of the older ones, with the archaic blade changing dance
routine.

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in reply to Swingman on 16/05/2016 6:54 PM

20/05/2016 7:01 PM

[email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
4ax.com:

> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>>
>>Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>
>>Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>long online documents.
>>
>>Puckdropper
> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
> version.
>

Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
this machine needs replaced.

Puckdropper

Pp

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in reply to Swingman on 16/05/2016 6:54 PM

21/05/2016 4:46 AM

FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
> Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
> terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.
>

I used to carry a wired mouse with me. I have several old IBM (fantastic
quality) mice, and used a PS/2 to USB adapter with them. (It has to be an
"active" or "smart" adapter and not just a wired through like some
switchable mouses included.) Once I got the trackpoint, I quit carrying
and using the mouse.

Puckdropper

c

in reply to Swingman on 16/05/2016 6:54 PM

20/05/2016 1:10 PM

On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
>> Lenovo too.
>>
>> My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP
>> loads it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage
>> it and it's better, but still sucks.
>>
>> My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
>> grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
>>
>> I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as
>> it's not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without
>> issues. Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like
>> assholes. Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a
>> real issue.
>>
>
>Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>Experience. Ever. Ever!
>
>Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>long online documents.
>
>Puckdropper
There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
version.

kk

krw

in reply to Swingman on 16/05/2016 6:54 PM

20/05/2016 10:03 PM

On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I have always found the IBM thinkpads to be slower, than others, and
>> Lenovo too.
>>
>> My company gave me new HP laptop (2 years ago), it is the pits. HP
>> loads it with a bunch of junk that actually kills the machine, reimage
>> it and it's better, but still sucks.
>>
>> My home laptop is an Asus, which I consider to be the better consumer
>> grade right now. It has an I5 and beats out my I7 HP.
>>
>> I have been looking for a new laptop for work. I haven't decided as
>> it's not that easy to find something really fast, and solid, without
>> issues. Each one seems to have a weakness. And opinions are like
>> assholes. Sometimes its the idiot behind the keyboard, others it's a
>> real issue.
>>
>
>Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>Experience. Ever. Ever!

Don't know about best but it's a *hell* of a lot better than the pad.
BTW, my work Dell has a track stick.
>
>Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>long online documents.

The old buckling spring keyboard puts everything else to shame. I
used one at work for over fifteen years. I think the one I have here
is about that old, too.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to Swingman on 16/05/2016 6:54 PM

20/05/2016 4:00 PM

On 2016-05-20 3:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in news:96hujb12m53ajaen6su1t44514jqbacdp5@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> On 20 May 2016 04:20:24 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Trackpoint. Stupidly only available on Thinkpad. Best. Mousing.
>>> Experience. Ever. Ever!
>>>
>>> Oh, and the keyboard isn't bad either. I remapped the two keys by the
>>> arrow keys, so can use them for Page Up and Page Down or use the
>>> originals above Backspace. Perhaps the most important keys for reading
>>> long online documents.
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>> There are other manufactureres that use a trackpoint typee device -
>> but none that work as well and as consistently as the Lenovo ThinkPad
>> version.
>>
>
> Do any names come to mind? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back
> to that tortorous (sp?) touchpad. I'm just keeping my eyes open for when
> this machine needs replaced.
>
I just use an external USB wired mouse, I hate the trackpad too.
Problem is around here anyway most external mice are going wireless in
terms of general availability, they eat batteries for lunch.

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in reply to [email protected] on 16/05/2016 10:31 AM

19/05/2016 1:50 PM

On 5/19/2016 12:18 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Your anecdote condemns century link[*], not refurbs in general.

Exactly ...

Although not what it was even five years ago, and having built my own
computers for years, and repairing my laptops when needed, I don't mind
taking a chance on a Dell "Certified Refurbished" from their Outlet
store, at a considerable saving and with the same warranty as new.

I will say that most all laptop construction these days pretty much
sucks, and Dell seems to be leading the pack in that regard.

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