On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> > I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
>=20
> amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
>=20
> would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
> center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
>=20
> it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
> routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
> allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
>=20
> that is the more likely scenario
My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday season =
was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regardi=
ng the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. =
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/12/amazons_mega_warehouse_gridlocks=
_traffic_in_nj_tow.html
On 4/16/2016 10:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> There are 17 glassdoor reviews for fulfillment associate at Amazon.
> They complain about long hours, hard work, short breaks, lazy co-
> workers, and no medical, but didn't see anything about any kind of
> unusual handling of mistakes.
>
Those are typical complaints from 90% of workers at 99% of companies.
Amazon does state there is mandatory overtime. Staples warehouse and
probably many others do that when the company advertises a specific
delivery time.
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:51:25 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 12:33 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
> >
> > amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
> >
> > would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
> > center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
> >
> > it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
> > routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
> > allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
> >
> > that is the more likely scenario
> >
>
> Timing is everything. I made a joke about taxes but. . .
> On the CT new last night they showed the opening of the new Amazon
> fulfillment center in Windsor, CT.. They mentioned that the town gave
> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
I believe they received some tax breaks in NJ as well...Flat rate fee rather than percentage of sales/profit...Employing thousands of locals gives them some negotiation power...
On 4/16/2016 9:12 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass
>> judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E
>> Comet.
>
> Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and
> those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and
> shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different
> people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three
> were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely
> accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check
> the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was
> right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous.
>
> Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our
> competition screwed up on every order.
>
Can't speak for Amazon. but most picking in large warehouses is
automated and checking is a matter of scanning bar codes. A friend's
daughter works in a place where pickers wear a headset and it directs
them to the bins.
>
> If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find
> a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another
> position that better suits him or dismissing.
Right, but the comment was made that Amazon does not tolerate mistakes.
Simple statement with nothing to put it into proper context.
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then
> > I am uninformed.
>
> i do not know what town the report came from
> it was a short news blurb i read somewhere
>
>
> there is a move by amazon to not allow shipments from sellers
> that use FBA
>
> it was speculation that reducing shipments from sellers would
> alleviate traffic at the fulfilment centers
Holy Cow! I tawt I taw a capital letter! I did, I did!
On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:30:00 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:13:04 -0400
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
>> AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
>> mistakes, no big deal"
>
>that is watering it down a bit or maybe i did
>
>the amazon centers are a not a typical warehouse operation
>
>amazon daisy chains shipments often
>
>you buy 5 prodcuts but they cannot be fulfilled from a single place
>
>so your shipment might start at ct then go to mo then to pa then
>finally to you
>
>increase in complexity means they have to run a much tighter ship
>or the bottom line gets hurt and at their volume that would hurt
>a lot
>
>technology helps but there is always a human factor
Other than eliminating necessary punctuation and upper-case letters,
How does any of the above change the issue? It's shit work. No one
said anything other. Suck it up, kid.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
> > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >=20
> > > I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
> >=20
> > amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
> >=20
> > would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
> > center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
> >=20
> > it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
> > routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
> > allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
> >=20
> > that is the more likely scenario
>=20
> My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday seaso=
n was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regar=
ding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed=
. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/12/amazons_mega_warehouse_gridloc=
ks_traffic_in_nj_tow.html
apparently caused by Amazon employees as well, not just truck traffic...
On 4/15/2016 8:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 7:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
>>>>
>>>> from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
>>>>
>>>> the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
>>>> is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
>>>> because they cut deep into the bottom line
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
>>> AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
>>> mistakes, no big deal"
>>>
>>
>>
>> Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is
>> not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and
>> it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes
>> instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing,
>> the customer. They went out of business.
>>
>> A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous
>> basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected
>> affects the bottom line.
>
> Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass
> judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E
> Comet.
Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and
those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and
shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different
people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three
were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely
accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check
the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was
right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous.
Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our
competition screwed up on every order.
>
> Are workers fired on their first mistake? Or are they fired after a few
> and the worker does not care and is not trying. I've has plenty of them
> over the years. Some don't make the day.
If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find
a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another
position that better suits him or dismissing.
On 4/15/2016 7:30 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
>>>
>>> from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
>>>
>>> the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
>>> is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
>>> because they cut deep into the bottom line
>>>
>>
>>
>> Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
>> AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
>> mistakes, no big deal"
>>
>
>
> Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is
> not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and
> it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes
> instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing,
> the customer. They went out of business.
>
> A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous
> basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected
> affects the bottom line.
Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass
judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E
Comet.
Are workers fired on their first mistake? Or are they fired after a few
and the worker does not care and is not trying. I've has plenty of them
over the years. Some don't make the day.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 4/16/2016 9:12 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> >> Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass
> >> judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E
> >> Comet.
> >
> > Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and
> > those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and
> > shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different
> > people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three
> > were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely
> > accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check
> > the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was
> > right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous.
> >
> > Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our
> > competition screwed up on every order.
> >
>
> Can't speak for Amazon. but most picking in large warehouses is
> automated and checking is a matter of scanning bar codes. A friend's
> daughter works in a place where pickers wear a headset and it directs
> them to the bins.
>
>
> >
> > If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find
> > a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another
> > position that better suits him or dismissing.
>
> Right, but the comment was made that Amazon does not tolerate mistakes.
> Simple statement with nothing to put it into proper context.
There are 17 glassdoor reviews for fulfillment associate at Amazon.
They complain about long hours, hard work, short breaks, lazy co-
workers, and no medical, but didn't see anything about any kind of
unusual handling of mistakes.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 4/16/2016 10:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > There are 17 glassdoor reviews for fulfillment associate at Amazon.
> > They complain about long hours, hard work, short breaks, lazy co-
> > workers, and no medical, but didn't see anything about any kind of
> > unusual handling of mistakes.
> >
>
> Those are typical complaints from 90% of workers at 99% of companies.
>
> Amazon does state there is mandatory overtime. Staples warehouse and
> probably many others do that when the company advertises a specific
> delivery time.
Mandatory overtime for part-timers can be dangerous--it may put them
into full-time and when that happens then a bunch of worker-protection
laws kick in and they get a _lot_ more expensive.
On 4/15/2016 5:02 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> They mentioned that the town gave
>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years.
>
> Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old
> store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax
> perks.
>
>> Allegedly will employ 800.
>
> ....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the
> county now hasta carry. Old news.
>
> nb
>
Good reason to learn a skill and have an education.
Part time $12.25/hr Full time up to $13.25
https://amazon.force.com/JobDetails?reqid=a0RF0000011ywSrMAI
Other positions pay more but I did not see particulars.
Amazon offers competitive packages including comprehensive health care,
401(k), restricted stock units, growth potential and a challenging and
exciting work environment.
At the job fair, Amazon officials will provide candidates with
information about the company and the application process. It will
explain what a day in the life of a fulfillment associate is like and
explain benefits, including the Career Choice program, where Amazon will
prepay or reimburse up to 95 percent of tuition for courses related to
in-demand fields, regardless of whether the skills are relevant to the
company.
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in news:ib-dnV4tTK3WZ57KnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> Oh well, I would take a trip there once a year and stock up on stuff.
> It was a wierd place for a machine company, not near a harbor, or
> roadways. I don't know if it had rail lines to it, I doubt it.
Thought it was only a mile or two from I-180?
Anyway, you're right that by far the bulk of what they
received would be intermodal containers from China or
Taiwan, which would go by rail to the nearest terminal,
likely somewhere in the NYC area, and then be drayed
back to Muncy. Altho their new place in Missouri is
the same deal, stuff would have to be drayed from Argentine
in Kansas City, which is probably 3 hours away.
John
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to
> find a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another
> position that better suits him or dismissing.
Well, the third possibility there is that the job is set
up to make mistakes likely. In that case changing the
process is the solution - changing the worker just means
you have a new guy making mistakes.
There is a whole field of engineering, Industrial Engineering,
focused on how to set up processes to maximize efficiency and
minimize the opportunities for error.
John
On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> They mentioned that the town gave
>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years.
>
>Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old
>store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax
>perks.
Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because
they're making money.
>
>> Allegedly will employ 800.
>
>....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the
>county now hasta carry. Old news.
No one is being *forced* to work there.
On 4/15/2016 12:33 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
>
> amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
>
> would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
> center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
>
> it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
> routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
> allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
>
> that is the more likely scenario
>
Timing is everything. I made a joke about taxes but. . .
On the CT new last night they showed the opening of the new Amazon
fulfillment center in Windsor, CT.. They mentioned that the town gave
them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> They mentioned that the town gave
> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years.
Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old
store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax
perks.
> Allegedly will employ 800.
....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the
county now hasta carry. Old news.
nb
On 4/5/2016 1:44 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> I just ordered some magnetic switches last night from Grizzly.
> I went to their site and noticed the tent sales, ... hmmm no tent sales
> in Muncy PA...
>
> Hey wait, no store in Muncy PA..
>
> When did that happen?
> are they in trouble?
>
in answer to my own question Oct 31st 2015 was their last shipment from
there.
Oh well, I would take a trip there once a year and stock up on stuff.
It was a wierd place for a machine company, not near a harbor, or
roadways. I don't know if it had rail lines to it, I doubt it.
--
Jeff
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:09:41 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> They mentioned that the town gave
>>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years.
>>
>>Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old
>>store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax
>>perks.
>
>Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because
>they're making money.
>>
>>> Allegedly will employ 800.
>>
>>....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the
>>county now hasta carry. Old news.
>
>No one is being *forced* to work there.
Three of Sam's joint have closed in the area, all replaced with new
stores, all had tax incentives on property taxes. Which will hopefully
be offset by sales taxes.
Having bills to be paid ain't coercion, it is not voluteering either.
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:17:02 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
>Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
>
>from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
>
>the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
>is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
>because they cut deep into the bottom line
>
I'm sure they'd get pissed if you forgot the shift key.
On 4/16/2016 9:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/16/2016 9:12 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>>> Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass
>>> judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E
>>> Comet.
>>
>> Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and
>> those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and
>> shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different
>> people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three
>> were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely
>> accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check
>> the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was
>> right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous.
>>
>> Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our
>> competition screwed up on every order.
>>
>
> Can't speak for Amazon. but most picking in large warehouses is
> automated and checking is a matter of scanning bar codes. A friend's
> daughter works in a place where pickers wear a headset and it directs
> them to the bins.
>
>
>>
>> If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find
>> a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another
>> position that better suits him or dismissing.
>
> Right, but the comment was made that Amazon does not tolerate mistakes.
> Simple statement with nothing to put it into proper context.
>
FWIW I was totally agreeing with you. ;~)
On 4/5/2016 3:15 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in news:ib-dnV4tTK3WZ57KnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Oh well, I would take a trip there once a year and stock up on stuff.
>> It was a wierd place for a machine company, not near a harbor, or
>> roadways. I don't know if it had rail lines to it, I doubt it.
>
> Thought it was only a mile or two from I-180?
>
> Anyway, you're right that by far the bulk of what they
> received would be intermodal containers from China or
> Taiwan, which would go by rail to the nearest terminal,
> likely somewhere in the NYC area, and then be drayed
> back to Muncy. Altho their new place in Missouri is
> the same deal, stuff would have to be drayed from Argentine
> in Kansas City, which is probably 3 hours away.
>
> John
>
Yes it was, but I-180 at a very rural area of PA. It's not like it was
in or near a populus area. I live in farm country and there's nothing by
me either. But that was quite far out of the way. Had it been
Harrisburg, or camp hill area. I imagine it would have been easier as
that is a central hub area to the north east regions trucking.
--
Jeff
On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:44:10 -0400
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> When did that happen?
> are they in trouble?
got a catalog and it says there are two stores with tent sales
did not know they had stores but my guess is that expense of a store
front cuts deep into the bottom line and the numbers are probably
easy to see
did not know they carried so many products either
do the stores double as fulfillment centers for grizzly
if so they might be consolidating centers to save money there also
amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor
was going to shut them down
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
that is the more likely scenario
[email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
>>>
>>> amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon
>>>
>>> would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment
>>> center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay
>>>
>>> it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they
>>> routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer
>>> allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it
>>>
>>> that is the more likely scenario
>>
>> My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday season was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/12/amazons_mega_warehouse_gridlocks_traffic_in_nj_tow.html
>
> apparently caused by Amazon employees as well, not just truck traffic...
>
But - we want all of those jobs and the revenue that they will generate...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
[email protected] wrote:
> read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then
> I am uninformed.
i do not know what town the report came from
it was a short news blurb i read somewhere
there is a move by amazon to not allow shipments from sellers
that use FBA
it was speculation that reducing shipments from sellers would
alleviate traffic at the fulfilment centers
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
because they cut deep into the bottom line
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:13:04 -0400
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
> AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
> mistakes, no big deal"
that is watering it down a bit or maybe i did
the amazon centers are a not a typical warehouse operation
amazon daisy chains shipments often
you buy 5 prodcuts but they cannot be fulfilled from a single place
so your shipment might start at ct then go to mo then to pa then
finally to you
increase in complexity means they have to run a much tighter ship
or the bottom line gets hurt and at their volume that would hurt
a lot
technology helps but there is always a human factor
On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
>
> from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
>
> the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
> is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
> because they cut deep into the bottom line
>
Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
mistakes, no big deal"
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:44:45 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:09:41 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They mentioned that the town gave
>>>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years.
>>>
>>>Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old
>>>store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax
>>>perks.
>>
>>Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because
>>they're making money.
>>>
>>>> Allegedly will employ 800.
>>>
>>>....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the
>>>county now hasta carry. Old news.
>>
>>No one is being *forced* to work there.
>
>Three of Sam's joint have closed in the area, all replaced with new
>stores, all had tax incentives on property taxes. Which will hopefully
>be offset by sales taxes.
>
>Having bills to be paid ain't coercion, it is not voluteering either.
There *are* other jobs. I have no pity for people who whine about
their jobs but refuse to do anything about it. Less for people who
whine about others' jobs.
On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800.
>>
>> from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800
>>
>> the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment
>> is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed
>> because they cut deep into the bottom line
>>
>
>
> Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have
> AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make
> mistakes, no big deal"
>
Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is
not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and
it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes
instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing,
the customer. They went out of business.
A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous
basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected
affects the bottom line.
On 4/14/2016 1:33 PM, krw wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/2016 11:27 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>>> amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor
>>> was going to shut them down
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
>
> Probably didn't donate enough to his reelection campaign.
>
+1
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Jeff
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/14/2016 11:27 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
>> amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor
>> was going to shut them down
>>
>
>I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind.
Probably didn't donate enough to his reelection campaign.