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"C Carruth"

08/09/2003 10:29 PM

Harbor Freight quality

I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
saw.

Thanks,

Chris


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sS

[email protected] (Sir Edgar)

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:48 PM

Chris wrote:
Group: rec.woodworking Date: Fri, Aug 15, 2003, 2:20am (EDT+4) From:
[email protected] (C=A0Carruth)
I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
brands. Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically
looking at thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
reciprocating saw.
Thanks,
Chris
******************************************************
I only ever bought one thing from them and that was a spring loaded reel
with 50ft of 3/8" air hose. It was industrial quality like you would
find in a garage and I am happy with it.
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DK

D K Woods

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 4:31 PM


> Go to the HF site, click on "order from the printed catalog" on the left.
> When the window for the product code comes up, enter the quantity (1) in the
> first box, the item number (41168) in the next box, the discount code (5vga)
> in the third box, and (vga) in the last box. Click add to order, and a page
> will show the 10" SCMS at $95.99. Print this page with all of the HF logos
> and stuff and take it to the store and purchase for less than $100. If you
> look on the boxes, you will see the model number, not the "X"vga series.
> It's the discount level. They will match it at the store. Have fun.
>
> Digger
>
>

And if anybody wants to browse the print catalog, and doesn't have it with
them, go to http://catalogs.google.com and search for "Harbor Freight"

david

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don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
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D K Woods

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

16/08/2003 12:15 AM

> BTW, I bought a Craftsman circular saw blade ($48) a couple of weeks
> ago and the third night it shed a carbide tooth (WoW! - that will wake
> you up). Sears replaced it with no hassles I'm happy to say.
>

Replaced it...heh...they're probably just happy they don't have a law suit
on their hands. What a scary thought -- I don't think I'll ever buy a
Craftsman blade now....

david
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don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
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repair the health of our own people in this country."
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"Absinthe"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

18/08/2003 6:32 PM

I got a refurb Router (Dewalt) and I love it. But that is a refurb as
opposed to their store brand.


"C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
reciprocating
> saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>

rR

[email protected] (Rich Stern)

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:29 PM

>I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
>Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
>thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
>saw.

The stacked dado blades are an excellent value for the money when on sale for
$20.

Rich S.

gG

[email protected] (Gfretwell)

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:48 PM

I have one of their reciprocating saws. Crude efficiency is the best I can say.
It seems to be working OK but it doesn't have the tight feel of a Makita or
Milwalkee. I don't use it much. If it was an everyday tool I would step up a
bit in quality.

gG

[email protected] (GTO69RA4)

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:48 PM

I used to have an HF bench grinder. Totally useless. The motor inside the big
housing was actually smaller than my table fan's.

GTO(John)


>I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
>Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
>thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
>saw.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

27/08/2003 2:34 PM

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:08:56 GMT, "C Carruth" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
>Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
>thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
>saw.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>

Stick with the quality brands for anything that may be a safety
concern. I still shop HF brands, but I'm careful what I buy.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 6:58 PM

Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???

Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
correctly ???


The same applies to the slot cutter and reciprocating saw....


C Carruth wrote:
>
> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
> saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris

Nn

Nova

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

11/09/2003 7:34 PM

Brian Henderson wrote:

> Unfortunately, not everyone is independently wealthy and can afford to
> drop $200 on a dado set or whatever. Given the choice between a
> sub-perfect dado set that works and no dado set at all... what would
> you pick?

A router bit.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

MN

MattH

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 1:46 PM

"C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
> brands. Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically
> looking at thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set,
> and reciprocating saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>

It's funny how the people who say that HF stuff is junk don't ever buy
it. How can you be an expert when you are not experienced?

I've bought:

14" Bandsaw
large drill press
Recripricating saw
5" Grinder
HVLP Sprayer w/ Turbine
Dozens of Clamps
14" metal cut-off saw
7" wet tile saw
Various stands
Other handtoold
18g brad nailer
15g finish nailer
stacked dado set
Router bits

In general, all of their disposables and blades are sub-par, so plan on
replacing them if you need quality. Otherwise, it's all tool grade, if
not heirloom grade. I see pros using their stuff all the time. The only
think that I've bought from them that was a POS was a $15 hand plane,
which I returned.

I also buy a lot of non-HF stuff when I need real precision (table saw,
router, etc). If you want to get something that you'll use for many
years, then go ahead and spend the money to buy something nicer.

Good Luck,
Matt

DD

"Digger"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

14/08/2003 9:45 PM


"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
> brands.
> > Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> > thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
> reciprocating
> > saw.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> The other day I blew twenty bucks on their stack dado blade. I have not
had
> a chance to use it yet, but for a twenty, what the hell, thought I would
> give it a try!
> Greg
>

I doubt you will be sorry about the 20 bucks you shelled out. I love mine
for the price. Their router bits are probably ok if you have a need for a
couple of uses, but if you are gonna need them any more than that,
(roundovers, chamfers, pattern cutting, etc.) invest in good bits. I have
bought one of their cheap carbide sets, and used enough of them to feel I
got my money's worth ($19.95), but all the often used are Whiteside or
equal. And what the hell, when I throw the cheap ones out, I can use the
flip-out tray box they came in, for good bits.

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"Digger"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

14/08/2003 11:55 PM


"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been happy with the $20 dado set. Whatever you buy, make sure it is
on
> sale or you'll be kicking yourself in a few weeks when it does go on sale.
>

If you look at their online catalog, and study the model numbers, and then
go to the store and check the same units and their model numbers, you can
pretty easily see how to get virtually anything "on sale" by having them
price match with web prices. I stumbled on to this after seeing someone on
this group mention a saw on sale and price matching with the web page.
looking at the numbers tells the story pretty fast. I questioned the local
HF and they said as long as I bring a printed page from their site, with the
lower price, they will match. I bought the $319 14" bandsaw for $219 NOT on
sale.

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"Digger"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 3:55 PM


"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Dqb%[email protected]...
> $20 dado set, does what I need it to do. Got a 6" dial caliper for 11
bucks
> that is more accurate than I am :-). I grab glue brushes and the like
there
> since they get tossed anyway. I would be curiouse to hear other responses
> to the 10 CSMS. I had borrowed a buddies CMS that was an older model that
> came from HF but I need to get it back to him. I have not had any problems
> with it so I was hoping this would work as well. I am a hobbiest and have
a
> table saw that I can crosscut with. I could never justify big bucks for a
> dewalt because I don't have a great need but I could do a $100 on one.
They
> currently have it on their site for $149. I am assuming the poster that
said
> $100 got it one sale. Is it total crap or does it have some merit. Please
> don't reply that it's crap just because it's from HF and you haven't used
> it. I'm looking to hear from some guys (or gals) that have used the
> thing....Thanks
>
>

Go to the HF site, click on "order from the printed catalog" on the left.
When the window for the product code comes up, enter the quantity (1) in the
first box, the item number (41168) in the next box, the discount code (5vga)
in the third box, and (vga) in the last box. Click add to order, and a page
will show the 10" SCMS at $95.99. Print this page with all of the HF logos
and stuff and take it to the store and purchase for less than $100. If you
look on the boxes, you will see the model number, not the "X"vga series.
It's the discount level. They will match it at the store. Have fun.

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in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

10/09/2003 1:56 AM

In rec.woodworking
"2manytoyz" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Digital Volt Meter $2.99 (got several - accuracy rivals my Fluke!)

See my post on the clamp meter. It MATCHES the Fluke and I could get 15 of
them for the same money.

I've had my eye on that $29 sawsall. You are really happy with it?

bB

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

10/09/2003 2:42 AM

In rec.woodworking
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Let me know in twenty years how that meter is holding up!

It certainly could fail at an inopportune time, I agree, though electronics
today are pretty reliable. If they work out of the box, they will usually
continue to work for years unless mistreated. And you did adress it but
for the price difference on the clamp meter, you could buy a new one every
year and only be behind after the 15th year.

ms

"2manytoyz"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

10/09/2003 3:28 AM

Take the price of the Fluke, divide by $2.99, let me know how many SPARES
that'll cover! Flukes are good meters, which is why we have them at work.
But 99.99999% of the time, that el-cheapo meter will do most everything "I"
need whether it be at work (Biomedical field use) or at home. I've already
opened it up and had a look at the guts. The main chip is buried in an
expoxy blob on the board, the rest is rather well built on a single board.
You're probably right though, it may only last 15 years. ;-)

As mentioned in my original post, I bought this for my truck, boat, toolbox,
and for field work. The lab still gets the high dollar toys. Oh, Flukes
die too. We're getting rid of a Fluke Datalogger and replacing it with a
laptop and an IOtech. Fluke couldn't fix it reliably, and having to repeat
a 2hr airpack test with human subjects isn't an option. As Fluke says, "If
it works, it's a Fluke". Funny, but sometimes true. Money doesn't always
buy quality or reliability. We've bought a lot of high end electronics at
work and sent them to our calibration lab before use... only to find they
failed the initial cal. The equipment, in those cases, were returned.

If your buddy needs it as a daily tool, what's he doing buying a $2.99 meter
designed for occasional use by a home owner? :-o I consider Harbor
Freight tools great for the occasional use. I don't think many of their
products would withstand daily use as professional equipment, but then
again, their stuff is a fraction of the cost. If he couldn't afford
professional quality equipment, he could at least bought a few spares. :-)


"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In rec.woodworking
> > "2manytoyz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Digital Volt Meter $2.99 (got several - accuracy rivals my Fluke!)
> >
> >
>
> Let me know in twenty years how that meter is holding up!
> A fellow I work with bought a VOM from HF. It lasted about 6 months of
daily
> use, and failed when he was not able to replace it easily. He bought Fluke
> to repalce it!
> For the home owner, occasional use, I would probably buy one or two also,
if
> I did not have five different Fluke meters in my possession already!
> Greg
>
>
>

fF

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 5:18 PM

Chris,

I live close to Habor Freight store and actually buy quite a bit
from them. A lot of their stuff is junk, but I have made a couple of
rules I use that seem to work:

Buy HF tools when:

1) It is not going to be used frequently. Most of their Central/Cen*
equipment does not seem fit for a heavy duty cycle. But if you expect
to only use it occasionally it may work out fine. This is the case of
the reciprocating saw I bought there. I has worked for me the few
times I have used it, but I would be upset at myself if I had spent
$200 instead of $40, given that I have only used it 3 times.

2) It is not needed for precision work. I would probably not buy
something like a router or plate joiner there. At least not without
see a couple of good reviews on them first. I did break that last
week when I got one of the $7 dial indicators. I'm going to try to
use it for some quick alignment jigs in the workshop.

3) It must be at least half the cost of a major brand name product.
I have seen some Delta dust collectors at Lowes that are less
expensive than the ones on sale at HF. So still do some shoping
around first.

One of the best bets is to search the web or post to the news groups.

- Frank







"C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
> saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris

DK

D K Woods

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

27/08/2003 12:57 PM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:20:07 GMT, C Carruth wrote:

> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
> saw.
>

It's not on your list, but I've been using their heavy-duty lathe (normally
runs $270, was on sale for $180) for the past couple of weeks and I love
it. It's my starter lathe, but it will be some time before I grow out of
it. I don't think I would have been happy with their lower-end models,
they really seemed low quality in the store, even if they were impressively
cheap. About as close as you can come to calling a power tool
'disposable'.

david
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Brian Henderson

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

11/09/2003 7:26 PM

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:48:45 GMT, "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In my opinion, you get what you pay for.
>
>Get good tools and you only cry once.

Unfortunately, not everyone is independently wealthy and can afford to
drop $200 on a dado set or whatever. Given the choice between a
sub-perfect dado set that works and no dado set at all... what would
you pick?

JJ

[email protected] (Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT)

in reply to Brian Henderson on 11/09/2003 7:26 PM

11/09/2003 4:47 PM

Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 7:26pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Brian=A0Henderson) says:
Unfortunately, not everyone is independently wealthy and can afford to
drop $200 on a dado set or whatever. Given the choice between a
sub-perfect dado set that works and no dado set at all... what would you
pick?

Unfortunately, some people don't understand that reasoning. Sure,
I'd like a new Unisaw, but I have a HF bench saw, because that was what
I could pay for at the time. Hey, it does what I need it to, and, I am
happy I have a saw at all. I take what I can afford, am grateful I have
it, and I don't whine about it.

JOAT
If Pro means 'For' and Con means 'Against', you can safely say the
opposite of 'Pro' is 'Con'. Can we then assume that the opposite of
'Progress' is 'Congress'? - Unknown

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 9 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
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LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:29 PM

RE: Subject

Since you are asking, you already know the answer.


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Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

CM

Chris Merrill

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

19/08/2003 1:16 AM

D K Woods wrote:
> True...but if I tell her it's safer, then I'm more likely to get the $$$
> for a Forrest blade from my wife, right? (G)

Absolutely!

Of course, if she doesn't look at the blade, then you can go buy a
HF blade and use the leftover for a bunch of goodies ;)

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D.B.

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

14/08/2003 9:45 PM

C Carruth may have said:
> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
> saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
I've bought a lot of stuff from HF, the quality is usually
better than the price indicates, sometimes much better, with
an occasional turkey in the mix.

Dick


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Mark

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 4:03 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
> table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
> if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???
>
> Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
> that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
> correctly ???
>
>
And does paying 2-4 times more somehow guarantee they
will???
--
Mark

The truth as I perceive it to be.
Your perception may be different.

RI

Rico

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

27/08/2003 11:30 AM

D K Woods wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:20:07 GMT, C Carruth wrote:
>
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
> > Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> > thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
> > saw.
> >
>
> It's not on your list, but I've been using their heavy-duty lathe (normally
> runs $270, was on sale for $180) for the past couple of weeks and I love
> it. It's my starter lathe, but it will be some time before I grow out of
> it. I don't think I would have been happy with their lower-end models,
> they really seemed low quality in the store, even if they were impressively
> cheap. About as close as you can come to calling a power tool
> 'disposable'.
>
> david
>

Not a woodworking tool, but I have one of the real heavy
duty HF #40576 14 x 40 metal working lathes. It's a Zhuji
Machine Tool Works GH-1440A also sold by Grizzly, Enco, Jet
and a host of other companies at much more than the $3,000 I
paid for it. It puts the old Logan lathe I had to shame.

Rico


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"Rob"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

16/08/2003 10:55 AM

I made a mistake once of buying a grinder at HF.

It was cheap. Only $20. I did not expect great quality for that price.

What I got was a total piece of crap. Parts were missing. It had a
terrible vibration when running. I did not think it was safe to use.

I do think you can find some bargains there, but you have to be very
careful.


"MattH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
> > brands. Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically
> > looking at thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set,
> > and reciprocating saw.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> It's funny how the people who say that HF stuff is junk don't ever buy
> it. How can you be an expert when you are not experienced?
>
> I've bought:
>
> 14" Bandsaw
> large drill press
> Recripricating saw
> 5" Grinder
> HVLP Sprayer w/ Turbine
> Dozens of Clamps
> 14" metal cut-off saw
> 7" wet tile saw
> Various stands
> Other handtoold
> 18g brad nailer
> 15g finish nailer
> stacked dado set
> Router bits
>
> In general, all of their disposables and blades are sub-par, so plan on
> replacing them if you need quality. Otherwise, it's all tool grade, if
> not heirloom grade. I see pros using their stuff all the time. The only
> think that I've bought from them that was a POS was a $15 hand plane,
> which I returned.
>
> I also buy a lot of non-HF stuff when I need real precision (table saw,
> router, etc). If you want to get something that you'll use for many
> years, then go ahead and spend the money to buy something nicer.
>
> Good Luck,
> Matt

CM

Chris Merrill

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

17/08/2003 12:57 AM

D K Woods wrote:
> What a scary thought -- I don't think I'll ever buy a
> Craftsman blade now....

So, if one person on this list says they had a tooth come off a Forrest
or Freud blade, then you'll never buy on of them, either?

You're gonna run out of brands, quick!


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"BigJoe"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

11/09/2003 12:38 AM

I bought an inexpensive bench grinder. Not from HF, but of the same quality
I believe. Works good, but easy to bog down (not much hp or low torque).
Take care.
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"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
> table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
> if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???
>
> Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
> that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
> correctly ???
>
>
> The same applies to the slot cutter and reciprocating saw....
>
>
> C Carruth wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
brands.
> > Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> > thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
reciprocating
> > saw.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris

CM

Chris Merrill

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 8:06 PM

Pat Barber wrote:
> Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
> table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
> if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???

Yes. I do every week. I have several HF blades: they all perform
suprisingly well, for what I paid.

Maybe I got lucky...maybe not. My BIL is happy with his HF
blades, as well.



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Jim K

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

16/08/2003 4:44 AM

I've bought a lot of little odds and ends from them - clamps, drill
bits, calipers, emery cloth strips and have been pretty happy with
what I've botten.

BTW, I bought a Craftsman circular saw blade ($48) a couple of weeks
ago and the third night it shed a carbide tooth (WoW! - that will wake
you up). Sears replaced it with no hassles I'm happy to say.


On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:58:29 GMT, Pat Barber
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
>table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
>if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???
>
>Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
>that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
>correctly ???
>
>

DB

"David Binkowski"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

13/09/2003 3:23 AM

A router.

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"Brian Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:48:45 GMT, "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In my opinion, you get what you pay for.
> >
> >Get good tools and you only cry once.
>
> Unfortunately, not everyone is independently wealthy and can afford to
> drop $200 on a dado set or whatever. Given the choice between a
> sub-perfect dado set that works and no dado set at all... what would
> you pick?

ms

"2manytoyz"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

10/09/2003 1:49 AM

I agree with that. Some of their stuff is junk, some is worthwhile. I find
the tools that I use only very infrequently can be of Harbor Freight
quality. Even my shop at work is now buying some of their products.

440 LB electric hoist $59
Sawzall type reciprocating saw $29
Bubble level with built-in laser $9
B&D Workmate clone $11
B&W Security camera $29
Emergency light (wall mount - 2 lights) $19
Tow Strap $8
Tarps $1-$20 Bought lots of 'em
Digital Volt Meter $2.99 (got several - accuracy rivals my Fluke!)
Pneumatic variable speed drill $19
Digital Clamp on Amp meter $9
Bench top drill press $39 (bought a decade ago)

"I" wouldn't buy their blades or router bits because they appear to be below
the level I'll accept. All those items above have been thoroughly tested
and work great. I bought a bench top TS that was junk and I subsequently
dumped it. Not all their stuff works as well as I had hoped, but the vast
majority of it was worth a lot more than I paid, which is why I keep going
back.




"MattH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
> > brands. Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically
> > looking at thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set,
> > and reciprocating saw.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> It's funny how the people who say that HF stuff is junk don't ever buy
> it. How can you be an expert when you are not experienced?
>
> I've bought:
>
> 14" Bandsaw
> large drill press
> Recripricating saw
> 5" Grinder
> HVLP Sprayer w/ Turbine
> Dozens of Clamps
> 14" metal cut-off saw
> 7" wet tile saw
> Various stands
> Other handtoold
> 18g brad nailer
> 15g finish nailer
> stacked dado set
> Router bits
>
> In general, all of their disposables and blades are sub-par, so plan on
> replacing them if you need quality. Otherwise, it's all tool grade, if
> not heirloom grade. I see pros using their stuff all the time. The only
> think that I've bought from them that was a POS was a $15 hand plane,
> which I returned.
>
> I also buy a lot of non-HF stuff when I need real precision (table saw,
> router, etc). If you want to get something that you'll use for many
> years, then go ahead and spend the money to buy something nicer.
>
> Good Luck,
> Matt
>

Rr

"Rob"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

16/08/2003 10:57 AM

No guarantees, but the odds are much better.

If you want to take the risk, do it with your body.



"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
> > table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
> > if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???
> >
> > Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
> > that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
> > correctly ???
> >
> >
> And does paying 2-4 times more somehow guarantee they
> will???
> --
> Mark
>
> The truth as I perceive it to be.
> Your perception may be different.
>

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

15/08/2003 12:21 PM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:20:07 GMT, "C Carruth" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
>Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
>thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
>saw.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>

HF sells a LOTof junk. But it does carry a few quality name brands,
usually behind glass cabinets. It is one of those stores you need to
be careful about quality. I bought a cast-iron stand for my grinder
at HF for $30--it is China-made cheap but it doesn't matter to have a
low-quality grinder stand for my low-quality grinder!

rr

rjs

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

18/08/2003 10:53 PM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:31:24 -0400, "john" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>table saw that I can crosscut with. I could never justify big bucks for a
>dewalt because I don't have a great need but I could do a $100 on one. They
>currently have it on their site for $149. I am assuming the poster that said
>$100 got it one sale. Is it total crap or does it have some merit.

I owned their 10" SCMS for a couple of days last year. Got it on sale
for $99 took it home and tried it out. It cut ok but I felt that the
sliding mechanism was a bit sloppy (in other words it lacked
precision.) Also the little interlock button associated with the
switch is fragile and easly broken/lost. One good thing about HF is
you can take it home and check it out and if you do not like it you
can return it and get your money back.

A SCMS is a great job site tool but in the shop an old craftsman RAS
($100) is superior in my opinion.

One great value they (HF) are currently offering is the 6" digital
calipers for $19.95 (includes a case and a spare battery.) I have
never heard anyone complain about these (except people who have never
used them.)
Regards
Bob


Rr

"Rob"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

16/08/2003 10:56 AM

Good point Pat!


"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, would you be willing to stand directly in front of a
> table saw blade turning at very high rate of speed and wonder
> if those little teeth(carbide) are going to stay on there ???
>
> Would you be willing to put your hand VERY CLOSE to a router bit
> that is turning at 22,500rpm and wonder if that edge is attached
> correctly ???
>
>
> The same applies to the slot cutter and reciprocating saw....
>
>
> C Carruth wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
brands.
> > Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> > thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
reciprocating
> > saw.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris

DK

D K Woods

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

18/08/2003 10:12 AM

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:57:25 GMT, Chris Merrill wrote:

> D K Woods wrote:
>> What a scary thought -- I don't think I'll ever buy a
>> Craftsman blade now....
>
> So, if one person on this list says they had a tooth come off a Forrest
> or Freud blade, then you'll never buy on of them, either?
>
> You're gonna run out of brands, quick!

True...but if I tell her it's safer, then I'm more likely to get the $$$
for a Forrest blade from my wife, right? (G)

david

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in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:48 PM

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:20:07 GMT, "C Carruth" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name brands.
>Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
>thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and reciprocating
>saw.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>
I have bought seven cordless drills from them - four at thirty bucks
and the last three at fifteen bucks each. Can't tell any difference in
the quality between the fifteen & thirty dollar ones but all of them
get a lot of use in a factory maintenance operation.

Other people must like them too because I had to buy three last week
to replace year old units that suddenly got stolen.




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"Greg O"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

08/09/2003 10:48 PM


"C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have been looking at HF prices and they are well below other name
brands.
> Anyone have good/bad experiences with them. I am specifically looking at
> thier stacked dado blades, router bits, slot cutter set, and
reciprocating
> saw.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>

The other day I blew twenty bucks on their stack dado blade. I have not had
a chance to use it yet, but for a twenty, what the hell, thought I would
give it a try!
Greg

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

09/09/2003 9:35 PM


"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In rec.woodworking
> "2manytoyz" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Digital Volt Meter $2.99 (got several - accuracy rivals my Fluke!)
>
>

Let me know in twenty years how that meter is holding up!
A fellow I work with bought a VOM from HF. It lasted about 6 months of daily
use, and failed when he was not able to replace it easily. He bought Fluke
to repalce it!
For the home owner, occasional use, I would probably buy one or two also, if
I did not have five different Fluke meters in my possession already!
Greg

SK

"Sam Krenov"

in reply to "C Carruth" on 08/09/2003 10:29 PM

11/09/2003 7:30 PM


"Brian Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:48:45 GMT, "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In my opinion, you get what you pay for.
> >
> >Get good tools and you only cry once.
>
> Unfortunately, not everyone is independently wealthy and can afford to
> drop $200 on a dado set or whatever. Given the choice between a
> sub-perfect dado set that works and no dado set at all... what would
> you pick?

A router bit


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