I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
- A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
- An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
- The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
- The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
- We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
"preening" mean?
What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
Thanks in advance for any info.
Jay Chan
Agree. I've used jam-nuts for many, many years in various and
sundry situations. If you really torque them onto each other
I feel they will hold indefinitely. Just my opinion. sdh.
Wilson wrote:
> Called "jamming", with a jam nut. really tight, it won't let go under any
> reasonable use.
> Wilson
> "Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>J. Clarke wrote:
>>
J. Clarke wrote:
> Eugene wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> Eugene wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay Chan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
>>>>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
>>>>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
>>>>> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
>>>>> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
>>>>> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
>>>>> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
>>>>> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>>>>>
>>>>> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
>>>>> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
>>>>> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
>>>>> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
>>>>> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
>>>>> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
>>>>> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
>>>>> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
>>>>> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
>>>>> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
>>>>> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
>>>>> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
>>>>> "preening" mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay Chan
>>>> Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the two
>>>> together to lock.
>>>
>>> Doesn't give the same kind of lock as peening or bonding though.
>>>
>> Peening or bonding is just doing something to the threads to keep one nut
>> from coming off, this is two nuts locking together, it doesn't mess up
>> the threads or leave crap on them like loctite so its easily reverseable.
>
> So? If you put the wing-nut on one side of the regular nut then it will
> come loose when you tighten the assembly, if you put it on the other it
> will come loose when you loosen it. Tightening two nuts together is OK
> for a fast and dirty lock on something that won't have much strain on it
> and won't undergo any vibration and will only be used once or twice, but
> for a fixture that is to be used repeatedly it's going to make more work
> than it saves, leaving aside the knuckle-busting potential.
>
They haven't come apart yet. I built a simple mortising jig to clamp 2x2's
for my kitchen cabinets. 4 2x2's per cabinet, 4 M mortise's per 2x2, and 6
cabinets and none of these locked nuts came loose. I tried peening the
wingnut and even buggered up the threads on the threaded rod and they came
loose after a few uses. I have even used pliers on the wing nuts and they
never came loose? How is this making more work that is saves, simple lock
two nuts together and your done.
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:50:16 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>262 is the one where they tell you basically "don't even _think_ about
>moving it after this stuff sets".
I have no doubt about that -- Loctite has a chemical for every problem. My
thought simply is that a "superglue" is cheaper.
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:43:13 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The word is "peen", not "preen", there's no "r" in it. To do it run the
>bolt into the wingnut as far as you want it to do and then take a punch and
>knock a ding or three into the nut and bolt where they meet so that the nut
>won't turn anymore. As an alternative some Loctite 262 (note--the number
>is important) will probably do the job.
I would use any Crazy-Glue-type glue. Run the nut almost to where it is
wanted on the bolt, squeeze glue around the bolt where the nut is wanted
permanently, then turn nut to permanent location. I would use an
appropriate Loctite variety if I wanted to move the nut later.
I'd be very interested in this jig :D
signature Troy & Michelle Hall Cogy Farm Clay Center, Kansas 67432
"Jay Chan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>
> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>
> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>
> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
> "preening" mean?
>
> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
>
> Jay Chan
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I think the work here is peen.
"Russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Someone may well correct me on this, but I think it means to pin the two
> together. drill through the side of the nut, into or through the bolt, and
> insert a pin to secure the two together.
>
> Alternative? loctite or something similar if there's not too much stress
> while turning.
>
> Russ
>
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:03 -0700, Jay Chan wrote:
>
> > I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> > the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> > How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
> >
> ...
> > What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any info.
> >
> > Jay Chan
>
J. Clarke wrote:
> Eugene wrote:
>
>> Jay Chan wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
>>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
>>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>>>
>>> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
>>> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
>>> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
>>> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
>>> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
>>> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>>>
>>> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
>>> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
>>> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
>>> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
>>> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
>>> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
>>> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
>>> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
>>> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>>>
>>> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
>>> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
>>> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
>>> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
>>> "preening" mean?
>>>
>>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any info.
>>>
>>> Jay Chan
>> Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the two
>> together to lock.
>
> Doesn't give the same kind of lock as peening or bonding though.
>
Peening or bonding is just doing something to the threads to keep one nut
from coming off, this is two nuts locking together, it doesn't mess up the
threads or leave crap on them like loctite so its easily reverseable.
Called "jamming", with a jam nut. really tight, it won't let go under any
reasonable use.
Wilson
"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
> > Eugene wrote:
> >
> >> J. Clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>> Eugene wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jay Chan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> >>>>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> >>>>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
> >>>>> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
> >>>>> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying
ready-made
> >>>>> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
> >>>>> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a
wing-nut
> >>>>> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
> >>>>> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
> >>>>> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
> >>>>> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
> >>>>> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
> >>>>> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
> >>>>> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
> >>>>> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
> >>>>> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
> >>>>> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
> >>>>> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
> >>>>> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
> >>>>> "preening" mean?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks in advance for any info.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jay Chan
> >>>> Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the
two
> >>>> together to lock.
> >>>
> >>> Doesn't give the same kind of lock as peening or bonding though.
> >>>
> >> Peening or bonding is just doing something to the threads to keep one
nut
> >> from coming off, this is two nuts locking together, it doesn't mess up
> >> the threads or leave crap on them like loctite so its easily
reverseable.
> >
> > So? If you put the wing-nut on one side of the regular nut then it will
> > come loose when you tighten the assembly, if you put it on the other it
> > will come loose when you loosen it. Tightening two nuts together is OK
> > for a fast and dirty lock on something that won't have much strain on it
> > and won't undergo any vibration and will only be used once or twice, but
> > for a fixture that is to be used repeatedly it's going to make more work
> > than it saves, leaving aside the knuckle-busting potential.
> >
> They haven't come apart yet. I built a simple mortising jig to clamp
2x2's
> for my kitchen cabinets. 4 2x2's per cabinet, 4 M mortise's per 2x2, and
6
> cabinets and none of these locked nuts came loose. I tried peening the
> wingnut and even buggered up the threads on the threaded rod and they came
> loose after a few uses. I have even used pliers on the wing nuts and they
> never came loose? How is this making more work that is saves, simple lock
> two nuts together and your done.
Thanks everyone who has replied. Seem like I have learned these:
- I mis-spelt the word. It should be "peening", not "preening".
- Peening by hammering the wing-nut to deform it to prevent it from
backing out seem to be one good way to do this. I will definitely
try this.
- If peening doesn't work well, I will try superglue to bond the
nuts together. I have packs of superglue at home to play with.
If superglue doesn't work well enough, I will look for
"Loctite 262".
- I forgot to mention in my original message that there should be
another nut right under the wing-nut. When they jam together,
the wing nut will not go any way when I turn it clockwise to
tighten the hold-down. The "peening" issue has to do with
preventing the wing-nut from backing out, not turning in. I am
sorry for forgetting to mention this. Unfortunately, a wing-nut
is shaped in such a way that I cannot jam a regular nut on top of
the wing-nut; they will always turn together and back the wing
nut out; otherwise, this would have been the first thing I tried.
Thanks again for the useful info.
Jay Chan
> In that case, run the wing nut past the end of the rod, and then take a ball
> peen hammer and flatten the ends over slightly like a mushroom. This will
> form a metal CAP that the wing nut can't pass. It will also make the top
> nice and smooth so no scrapes :D
Thanks. This sounds easy enough. I was thinking of hammering the
wing-nut at its side. I have a feeling that hammering the end of the
bolt as you have suggsted should be easier, and I have a 5-pound
hammer that I can use. Seem like this is the way to go.
> I'd be very interested in this jig :D
I was thinking of attaching a multiple-angle-jig to my standard
home-made cross-cut jig. Then, I can use it to make various degree
angle cuts. And I plan to make two hold-downs on that
multiple-angle-jig to hold the wood in place while I cut; then I won't
have one hand pushing the cross-cut jig, another hand holding on the
wood (this just seems too awkward).
Jay Chan
> I have used this set up, (attaching wing to bolt) I just heat with torch
> and solder them together.
Do you mean you use regular pumping soldering method to solder the
wing and bolt together? This sounds easy enough, especially I have
pumping soldering equipments and materials available -- Doesn't every
household have a pumping torch ;)
What kind of prep work that you need to do to prepare the surface for
soldering?
This probably will work well for bolt that is long. However, I am
afraid that this may not work for short bolt because the heat may melt
the rubber door stop at the other end of the bolt; in that case, I
will still need to use the "Big Hammer" approach.
Thanks for the tip.
Jay Chan
Jay Chan wrote:
> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>
> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>
> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>
> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
> "preening" mean?
>
> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
The word is "peen", not "preen", there's no "r" in it. To do it run the
bolt into the wingnut as far as you want it to do and then take a punch and
knock a ding or three into the nut and bolt where they meet so that the nut
won't turn anymore. As an alternative some Loctite 262 (note--the number
is important) will probably do the job.
>
> Jay Chan
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igor wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:43:13 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>The word is "peen", not "preen", there's no "r" in it. To do it run the
>>bolt into the wingnut as far as you want it to do and then take a punch
>>and knock a ding or three into the nut and bolt where they meet so that
>>the nut
>>won't turn anymore. As an alternative some Loctite 262 (note--the number
>>is important) will probably do the job.
>
> I would use any Crazy-Glue-type glue. Run the nut almost to where it is
> wanted on the bolt, squeeze glue around the bolt where the nut is wanted
> permanently, then turn nut to permanent location. I would use an
> appropriate Loctite variety if I wanted to move the nut later.
262 is the one where they tell you basically "don't even _think_ about
moving it after this stuff sets".
--
--John
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Eugene wrote:
> Jay Chan wrote:
>
>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>>
>> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
>> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
>> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
>> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
>> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
>> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>>
>> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
>> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
>> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
>> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
>> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
>> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
>> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
>> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
>> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>>
>> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
>> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
>> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
>> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
>> "preening" mean?
>>
>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any info.
>>
>> Jay Chan
> Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the two
> together to lock.
Doesn't give the same kind of lock as peening or bonding though.
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Eugene wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Eugene wrote:
>>
>>> Jay Chan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
>>>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
>>>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>>>>
>>>> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
>>>> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
>>>> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
>>>> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
>>>> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
>>>> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>>>>
>>>> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
>>>> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
>>>> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
>>>> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
>>>> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
>>>> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
>>>> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
>>>> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
>>>> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
>>>> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
>>>> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
>>>> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
>>>> "preening" mean?
>>>>
>>>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any info.
>>>>
>>>> Jay Chan
>>> Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the two
>>> together to lock.
>>
>> Doesn't give the same kind of lock as peening or bonding though.
>>
> Peening or bonding is just doing something to the threads to keep one nut
> from coming off, this is two nuts locking together, it doesn't mess up the
> threads or leave crap on them like loctite so its easily reverseable.
So? If you put the wing-nut on one side of the regular nut then it will
come loose when you tighten the assembly, if you put it on the other it
will come loose when you loosen it. Tightening two nuts together is OK for
a fast and dirty lock on something that won't have much strain on it and
won't undergo any vibration and will only be used once or twice, but for a
fixture that is to be used repeatedly it's going to make more work than it
saves, leaving aside the knuckle-busting potential.
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> I'd be very interested in this jig :D
>
> signature Troy & Michelle Hall Cogy Farm Clay Center, Kansas 67432
> "Jay Chan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> > the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> > How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
> >
> > I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
> > really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
> > door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
> > hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
> > that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
> > at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
> >
> > The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
> > - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
> > - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
> > - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
> > - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
> > - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
> > a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
> > the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
> > will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
> >
> > Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
> > are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
> > independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
> > together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
> > "preening" mean?
> >
> > What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any info.
> >
> > Jay Chan
>
>
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> I have used this set up, (attaching wing to bolt) I just heat with torch
and solder them together. Warren
"Jay Chan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks everyone who has replied. Seem like I have learned these:
>
> - I mis-spelt the word. It should be "peening", not "preening".
>
> - Peening by hammering the wing-nut to deform it to prevent it from
> backing out seem to be one good way to do this. I will definitely
> try this.
>
> - If peening doesn't work well, I will try superglue to bond the
> nuts together. I have packs of superglue at home to play with.
> If superglue doesn't work well enough, I will look for
> "Loctite 262".
>
> - I forgot to mention in my original message that there should be
> another nut right under the wing-nut. When they jam together,
> the wing nut will not go any way when I turn it clockwise to
> tighten the hold-down. The "peening" issue has to do with
> preventing the wing-nut from backing out, not turning in. I am
> sorry for forgetting to mention this. Unfortunately, a wing-nut
> is shaped in such a way that I cannot jam a regular nut on top of
> the wing-nut; they will always turn together and back the wing
> nut out; otherwise, this would have been the first thing I tried.
>
> Thanks again for the useful info.
>
> Jay Chan
In that case, run the wing nut past the end of the rod, and then take a ball
peen hammer and flatten the ends over slightly like a mushroom. This will
form a metal CAP that the wing nut can't pass. It will also make the top
nice and smooth so no scrapes :D
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>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:03 -0700, Jay Chan wrote:
>
>> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
>> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
>> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>>
>...
>> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any info.
>>
>> Jay Chan
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:04:32 -0400, Russ <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Someone may well correct me on this, but I think it means to pin the two
>together. drill through the side of the nut, into or through the bolt, and
>insert a pin to secure the two together.
>
>Alternative? loctite or something similar if there's not too much stress
>while turning.
>
>Russ
http://www2.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/mwdictsn?va=preen
would seem to support that usage.
I'll add that peening is a metalworking term for distorting slightly
with a hammer. by tightening up the threads above and below the wing
nut it and the bolt could be locked together.
Jay Chan wrote:
> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>
> I am reading a woodworking book on making jigs. One thing that I am
> really interested is making a hold-down with wing-buts, bolts, and
> door-stops. If I can make a few of these instead of buying ready-made
> hold-downs from stores, I can save quite some money. But one thing
> that I don't quite understand in the book is how to secure a wing-nut
> at the end of a threaded bolt using "preening".
>
> The hold down as shown in the book is like this:
> - A wooden jig has a threaded-through-nut in it.
> - An upside-down bolt goes through the threaded-through-nut.
> - The head of the upside-down bolt holds a rubber door stop.
> - The end of the upside-down bolt has a wing nut on it.
> - We are supposed to turn the wing-nut when we want to secure
> a piece of wood under the wooden jig. This in turn will turn
> the bolt, and the bolt will go down and the rubber door stop
> will come in contact with the wood and hold the wood in place.
>
> Obviously, the wing-nut and the bolt will turn independently if they
> are not secured together, and we want them to turn together, not
> independently. The book seems to say that it can make them to turn
> together by "preening" the wing-nut onto the bolt. What does
> "preening" mean?
>
> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
>
> Jay Chan
Even easier it to put on a regular nut then the wing nut. Turn the two
together to lock.
Someone may well correct me on this, but I think it means to pin the two
together. drill through the side of the nut, into or through the bolt, and
insert a pin to secure the two together.
Alternative? loctite or something similar if there's not too much stress
while turning.
Russ
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:53:03 -0700, Jay Chan wrote:
> I would like to know what is the meaning of a "preened wing-nut" in
> the context of making a hold down to clamp a piece of wood in a jig.
> How to "preen" a wing nut anyway?
>
...
> What's the other alternative besides "preening"?
>
> Thanks in advance for any info.
>
> Jay Chan
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:46:53 GMT, "Troy Hall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
I make wheel chocks for rv's.. use a lot of threaded rod and home made
wing nuts (wood handle with threaded insert)....
In a sort of production mode, I run the wing nut up a few threads and
cut the rod to length with bolt cutters... I do this at both ends,
with a nut against the top wing nut, and have never had a wing nut
move on me after running it out to the mangled end that the bolt
cutter leaves... (covers the end nicely, too, as Troy mentioned..
>
>"Jay Chan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Thanks everyone who has replied. Seem like I have learned these:
>>
>> - I mis-spelt the word. It should be "peening", not "preening".
>>
>> - Peening by hammering the wing-nut to deform it to prevent it from
>> backing out seem to be one good way to do this. I will definitely
>> try this.
>>
>> - If peening doesn't work well, I will try superglue to bond the
>> nuts together. I have packs of superglue at home to play with.
>> If superglue doesn't work well enough, I will look for
>> "Loctite 262".
>>
>> - I forgot to mention in my original message that there should be
>> another nut right under the wing-nut. When they jam together,
>> the wing nut will not go any way when I turn it clockwise to
>> tighten the hold-down. The "peening" issue has to do with
>> preventing the wing-nut from backing out, not turning in. I am
>> sorry for forgetting to mention this. Unfortunately, a wing-nut
>> is shaped in such a way that I cannot jam a regular nut on top of
>> the wing-nut; they will always turn together and back the wing
>> nut out; otherwise, this would have been the first thing I tried.
>>
>> Thanks again for the useful info.
>>
>> Jay Chan
>
>In that case, run the wing nut past the end of the rod, and then take a ball
>peen hammer and flatten the ends over slightly like a mushroom. This will
>form a metal CAP that the wing nut can't pass. It will also make the top
>nice and smooth so no scrapes :D
>
>signature Troy & Michelle Hall Cogy Farm Clay Center, Kansas 67432
>
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