"tommyboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm speechless.....$255??
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
Well, the Tormeck is an expensive machine. So it would make sense that it's
attachments would be expensive as well.
That said, it has a big wheel that moves slowly. I would imagine the
engineering and physics of a drill sharpening attachment would be different
than more traditional arrangements. Which may explain some of the hefty
price.
I don't think that very many people who are looking for something to sharpen
drill bits are going to run out and buy a Tormek. But I have seen some
expensive drill sharpeners for metal shops that do a first class job and
sharpen drills in volume. And the price would be similar to this setup or a
little less.
Soooo....., this seems to be an expensive accessory for the folks who
already own a Tormeck. After all, they have demonstrated an active interest
in sharpening things.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "tommyboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I'm speechless.....$255??
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
>>
>> Well, the Tormeck is an expensive machine. So it would make sense that
>> it's attachments would be expensive as well.
>>
>> That said, it has a big wheel that moves slowly. I would imagine the
>> engineering and physics of a drill sharpening attachment would be
>> different than more traditional arrangements. Which may explain some of
>> the hefty price.
>>
>> I don't think that very many people who are looking for something to
>> sharpen drill bits are going to run out and buy a Tormek. But I have
>> seen some expensive drill sharpeners for metal shops that do a first
>> class job and sharpen drills in volume. And the price would be similar
>> to this setup or a little less.
>>
>> Soooo....., this seems to be an expensive accessory for the folks who
>> already own a Tormeck. After all, they have demonstrated an active
>> interest in sharpening things.
>
>
> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
A lot less than half.
Max
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
> Probably the case with the Tormek, with the Drill Doctor, set up only
> takes about 5-10 seconds per bit once you get the hang of it. Sharpening
> takes about 5-15 seconds depending on the size of the bit and the amount
> being removed. It is so little trouble that I am considering sharpening
> each bit every time I use one for more than a couple of holes. It takes
> longer to pull the sharpener out of the carrying bag and plug it in than
> to mount a bit for sharpening. Once I get into my new shop the sharpener
> will likely stay out. in close proximity to the DP.
There ya go Leon. You very own dedicated Drill Doctor stand!!
I fully expect Sketchup Drawings, fully documented progress reports and a
stunning shop fixture. And since you have demonstrated the capacity to make
monumental bedroom furniture, I expect it to be bigger than the drill press!
I bet you can make it from two hundred pieces or more.
All kidding aside, as some one who has done a lot of drill press, a
dedicated drill press station makes a lot of sense. Hmmmm..., I have to
think about that one.
On Dec 18, 6:41=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:21:48 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:58:44 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to =
the
> >>>>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>
> >>>> A lot less than half.
>
> >>>> Max
>
> >>>That would depend on the model you get. =A0Mine was around $100 but It=
was
> >>>not
> >>>the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
>
> >>>http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=3Dshop.product_details&categ=
o...
>
> >> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>
> >Nope not yet.
>
> I guess I'll just have to waste a whole minute per bit with a file.
> <deep sigh> =A0;)
>
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The less time spent, the better. File the fronts of the ramps,
and no more. Wreck the relief, and she won't feed. So
much as touch the outside surface of a Forstner with a
file, and you can trust the bit to jam every time.
One exception is the 1-1/2" Forstner whose rim I cut saw
teeth into with a triangular file. Due to bad machining,
the trailing edge of the rim was lower than the ramp. Took
all my weight on the drill press to get it to cut. The saw
teeth broke up the rim and made the bit feed much
more easily.
On Dec 17, 12:43=A0pm, tommyboy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm speechless.....$255??
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B0...
There still appears to be a market for folks who want to pay $300-400
for a Fein multipurpose tool set. Likewise some will be more than
happy to put out the extra bucks for this.
Being ignorant on how the Tromek works, I doubt if it is much better
or faster than my Drill Doctor. It took some fiddling to figure it
out the first time. But once it is set up, I can go through my bench-
box of dull bits in a few minutes.
RonB
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>>
>>Nope not yet.
>
> I guess I'll just have to waste a whole minute per bit with a file.
> <deep sigh> ;)
Bummer. It would be a lot easier though, to spend 15 minutes setting up a
machine so you could push the button and have it done in only 30 seconds .
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:58:44 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
>>>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>>>
>>> A lot less than half.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That would depend on the model you get. Mine was around $100 but It was
>>not
>>the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
>>
>>http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=71&flypage=flypage.pbv.tabs.tpl&product_id=2668&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=90
>
> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
Nope not yet.
>
> --
> The art of life lies in a constant readjustment to our surroundings.
> -- Okakura Kakuzo
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "tommyboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I'm speechless.....$255??
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
>
> Well, the Tormeck is an expensive machine. So it would make sense that
> it's attachments would be expensive as well.
>
> That said, it has a big wheel that moves slowly. I would imagine the
> engineering and physics of a drill sharpening attachment would be
> different than more traditional arrangements. Which may explain some of
> the hefty price.
>
> I don't think that very many people who are looking for something to
> sharpen drill bits are going to run out and buy a Tormek. But I have seen
> some expensive drill sharpeners for metal shops that do a first class job
> and sharpen drills in volume. And the price would be similar to this
> setup or a little less.
>
> Soooo....., this seems to be an expensive accessory for the folks who
> already own a Tormeck. After all, they have demonstrated an active
> interest in sharpening things.
Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the Tomek
set up and for about half the price.
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbell.dotnet says...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:58:44 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
> >>>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
> >>>
> >>> A lot less than half.
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>That would depend on the model you get. Mine was around $100 but It was
> >>not
> >>the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
> >>
> >>http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=71&flypage=flypage.pbv.tabs.tpl&product_id=2668&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=90
> >
> > Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>
> Nope not yet.
For brad point you still need either a Darex or skillz. Never seen an
automated sharpener for Forstners, but they aren't all that hard to do
by hand.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 11:07 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, tommyboy
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>I'm speechless.....$255??
>
> >>http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B0...
>
> > I own a Tormek, so I'm on their email distribution list. I have most of
> > the
> > accessories already, so when I got the email about this one I thought
> > I'd
> > be
> > interested. Until I saw the price. The way I figure it, $255 will buy an
> > awful
> > lot of drill bits...
>
> Me too, I have had the Tomek for about 10 years and bought the whole
> package
> when it was about $800. Realistically the add on to sharpen bits is worth
> about $75 IMHO.
There are only a few sizes I wear to dullness...every 2 years or so...
I just get new ones. I can't even justify a Drill Doctor and they're
low cost.
Mind you, most of the drilling I do is done with those combo tapered/
countersink gizmos from Lee Valley... Then there is one size of
forstner style bit, a 35 mm, of which I own 3..and I have those
sharpened professionally.
I had so many dull bits it was redicklus. ;~) If I only used the bits for
wood working I'd probably only buy replacements but I often get into other
stuff. And then I break bits at inopertune moments and those can be
revived with a sharpening with out having to make a special trip to the
store.
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>>>
>>>Nope not yet.
>>
>> I guess I'll just have to waste a whole minute per bit with a file.
>> <deep sigh> ;)
>
> Bummer. It would be a lot easier though, to spend 15 minutes setting up
> a machine so you could push the button and have it done in only 30 seconds
> .
Probably the case with the Tormek, with the Drill Doctor, set up only takes
about 5-10 seconds per bit once you get the hang of it. Sharpening takes
about 5-15 seconds depending on the size of the bit and the amount being
removed. It is so little trouble that I am considering sharpening each bit
every time I use one for more than a couple of holes. It takes longer to
pull the sharpener out of the carrying bag and plug it in than to mount a
bit for sharpening. Once I get into my new shop the sharpener will likely
stay out. in close proximity to the DP.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, tommyboy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I'm speechless.....$255??
>>
>>http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
>
> I own a Tormek, so I'm on their email distribution list. I have most of
> the
> accessories already, so when I got the email about this one I thought I'd
> be
> interested. Until I saw the price. The way I figure it, $255 will buy an
> awful
> lot of drill bits...
Me too, I have had the Tomek for about 10 years and bought the whole package
when it was about $800. Realistically the add on to sharpen bits is worth
about $75 IMHO.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
> Probably the case with the Tormek, with the Drill Doctor, set up only
> takes about 5-10 seconds per bit once you get the hang of it. Sharpening
> takes about 5-15 seconds depending on the size of the bit and the amount
> being removed. It is so little trouble that I am considering sharpening
> each bit every time I use one for more than a couple of holes.
I used one once a few years back. Seems easy enough, but I've not bought
enough bits in my life to justify the cost. Maybe if I was drilling a lot
of metal, but I use mostly brad points and forstners as do only hobby work,
not production. I'd rather put $25 into bit s that will last me for years.
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>
> A lot less than half.
>
> Max
>
>
That would depend on the model you get. Mine was around $100 but It was not
the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=71&flypage=flypage.pbv.tabs.tpl&product_id=2668&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=90
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> What, youse guys can rationalize gazillions on bailouts and
> Festerings, but can't spend a measly $600 on a stupid grinder?
High price tags for the equipment and especially the price of $260 for the
sharpener attachment would come *after* it's gained a decent market share of
satisfied customers and supporting tool reviews. I doubt Leon is very
willing to be a cash up front guinea pig when it comes to developing that
market share.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:21:48 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:58:44 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
>>>>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>>>>
>>>> A lot less than half.
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>That would depend on the model you get. Mine was around $100 but It was
>>>not
>>>the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
>>>
>>>http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=71&flypage=flypage.pbv.tabs.tpl&product_id=2668&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=90
>>
>> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>
>Nope not yet.
I guess I'll just have to waste a whole minute per bit with a file.
<deep sigh> ;)
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On Dec 18, 11:07=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, tommyboy
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>I'm speechless.....$255??
>
> >>http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B0..=
.
>
> > I own a Tormek, so I'm on their email distribution list. I have most of
> > the
> > accessories already, so when I got the email about this one I thought I=
'd
> > be
> > interested. Until I saw the price. The way I figure it, $255 will buy a=
n
> > awful
> > lot of drill bits...
>
> Me too, I have had the Tomek for about 10 years and bought the whole pack=
age
> when it was about $800. =A0Realistically the add on to sharpen bits is wo=
rth
> about $75 IMHO.
There are only a few sizes I wear to dullness...every 2 years or so...
I just get new ones. I can't even justify a Drill Doctor and they're
low cost.
Mind you, most of the drilling I do is done with those combo tapered/
countersink gizmos from Lee Valley... Then there is one size of
forstner style bit, a 35 mm, of which I own 3..and I have those
sharpened professionally.
In article <[email protected]>, tommyboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm speechless.....$255??
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
I own a Tormek, so I'm on their email distribution list. I have most of the
accessories already, so when I got the email about this one I thought I'd be
interested. Until I saw the price. The way I figure it, $255 will buy an awful
lot of drill bits...
On 12/18/10 1:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>
> Nope not yet.
>
A couple minutes with a vise and a triangle file can do wonders or most.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, tommyboy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I'm speechless.....$255??
>>>
>>>http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
>>
>> I own a Tormek, so I'm on their email distribution list. I have most of the
>> accessories already, so when I got the email about this one I thought I'd be
>> interested. Until I saw the price. The way I figure it, $255 will buy an awful
>> lot of drill bits...
>
>
>Me too, I have had the Tomek for about 10 years and bought the whole package
>when it was about $800. Realistically the add on to sharpen bits is worth
>about $75 IMHO.
>
I agree completely, Leon. If it had been only $75, I'd already own one. But
three+ times that? No way.
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:48:57 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
>>>
>>>Nope not yet.
>>
>> I guess I'll just have to waste a whole minute per bit with a file.
>> <deep sigh> ;)
>
>Bummer. It would be a lot easier though, to spend 15 minutes setting up a
>machine so you could push the button and have it done in only 30 seconds .
I think that should read "to spend an extra $575, then spend 15
minutes setting up a machine so you could push the button and have it
done in only 30 seconds.", shouldn't it?
--
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
against his government." --Edward Abbey
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:58:44 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
>>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>>
>> A lot less than half.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>
>That would depend on the model you get. Mine was around $100 but It was not
>the top of the line model, and now they have one that does spade bits.
>
>http://www.drilldoctor.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=71&flypage=flypage.pbv.tabs.tpl&product_id=2668&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=90
Do they have one for brad point or forstner bits yet?
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The art of life lies in a constant readjustment to our surroundings.
-- Okakura Kakuzo
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:43:35 -0700, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> "tommyboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I'm speechless.....$255??
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Tormek-DBS-22-Drill-Sharpening-Attachment/dp/B004AYCXVG
>>>
>>> Well, the Tormeck is an expensive machine. So it would make sense that
>>> it's attachments would be expensive as well.
>>>
>>> That said, it has a big wheel that moves slowly. I would imagine the
>>> engineering and physics of a drill sharpening attachment would be
>>> different than more traditional arrangements. Which may explain some of
>>> the hefty price.
>>>
>>> I don't think that very many people who are looking for something to
>>> sharpen drill bits are going to run out and buy a Tormek. But I have
>>> seen some expensive drill sharpeners for metal shops that do a first
>>> class job and sharpen drills in volume. And the price would be similar
>>> to this setup or a little less.
>>>
>>> Soooo....., this seems to be an expensive accessory for the folks who
>>> already own a Tormeck. After all, they have demonstrated an active
>>> interest in sharpening things.
>>
>>
>> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
>> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>
>A lot less than half.
What, youse guys can rationalize gazillions on bailouts and
Festerings, but can't spend a measly $600 on a stupid grinder?
<nomex=ON>
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-- Okakura Kakuzo
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> Actually a Drill Doctor does the job very very quickly compared to the
> Tomek set up and for about half the price.
>
Actually, the Drill Doctor does a better job. On the site they talk about a
4 facet point. The four facet point of the Tormek is inferior to the curved
facet grind of the Drill Doctor.