I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked every
bit as well as I'd hoped. :)
That drawing for that is still at
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg
and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page...
Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only
the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one
kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be
interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more
doodling and came up with this method
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg
This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit
of explanation with each drawing.
Enjoy!
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Nov 15, 9:59=A0am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han <[email protected]>
> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>
> >> I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked
> >> every bit as well as I'd hoped. :)
>
> >> That drawing for that is still at
>
> >> =A0 =A0http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg
>
> >> and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page...
>
> >> Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using
> >> only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if
> >> one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be
> >> interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more
> >> doodling and came up with this method
>
> >> =A0 =A0http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg
>
> >> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
> >> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
> >> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>
> >> Enjoy!
>
> >I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
> >these and how to use them. =A0I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
>
> Ditto that. =A0'Splain, Mo!
>
> --
> When we are planning for posterity,
> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Thomas=
Paine
*slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit
awkward*..."I don't quite get it either?
Morris Dovey said:
>> <sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
>> at the top of the page.
Would that be with a 12 gauge or a .357? :-o
Add a watermelon shot and post it to YouTube.
Don't mind them, I got the idea, but I did have to study it a moment.
I discovered long ago that a photo or 3D rendering works wonders when
presenting ANY idea to "management." Almost all drawings I do are in
3D with isometric views available. It takes very little additional
time these days and helps tremendously during the planning stages as
well - especially as complexity increases. (Yeah, I know - it was a
quick and simple concept.)
It's just not a 2D world anymore. We're likely dinosaurs from the flat
earth era. :)
Greg G.
Greg G. wrote:
> Several names on that list I haven't seen in years. Apeman for one.
> And BTW, what happened to JOAT?
IRRC correctly, the wooddorking gods told him that webTV was giving them
a bad name!! :)
(I think he got tired of the political BS and noobs taking exception to
his cranky ass.)
> Greg G.
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
An inspector once said arguing with the electrical inspecter is like
wrestling with pigs. Eventually you'll figure out they enjoy
wallowing in the mud.
Mike M
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:40:05 -0800, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:42:20 -0800, the infamous Mike M
><[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>I'm just a lurker but I learned quick about electrical advice. I hold
>>a master electricians license and 40 years on the job. Learned real
>>quick to keep quiet.
>>
>>Mike M
>
>Was that for liability purposes or due to the massive amounts of
>incoming flak from the heavily opinionated (and highly wrong) wannabes
>out there, Mike? ("I didn't have any solder so I used chewing gum.")
On Nov 16, 9:45=A0am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
> > <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
> > confusing.
>
> > Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you?
>
> Dear Larry,
> I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to
> explain the concept.
> A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap
> dancing.
> A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs=
in
> which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact
.
.
.
.
> with the patron, or within a very short distance.
Speak for yourself.
> Hope this clears up your confusion. =A0 =A0 =A0 : )
>
> diggerop
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:04:18 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:51:49 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> Morris Dovey wrote:
>>>
>>>> <sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
>>>> at the top of the page.
>>> Photo of jig and joint added.
>>
>> Huh, all I see is some Christian symbol and an upside down, poorly
>> formed L.
>
>Ok - I finally broke down and bought a little shirt-pocked digital video
>camera. If I can figure the little bugger out without breaking it, I'll
>add a video to the web page in spring. <mumble>
See? I gave you an excuse to go buy yet another toy, er, I mean tool.
P.S: I hope you have a receipt and can return it. Those cheapies are
truly nasty in most cases.
--
Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas
to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label
of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem
important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost.
-- Thomas J. Watson
Robatoy said:
>On Nov 15, 9:59 am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>wrote:
>> On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han <[email protected]>
>> scrawled the following:
>> >Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote innews:[email protected]:
>> >>....
>> >> Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using
>> >> only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if
>> >> one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be
>> >> interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more
>> >> doodling and came up with this method
>>
>> >> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg
>>
>> >> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>> >> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
>> >> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>>
>>
>> >I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
>> >these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
>>
>> Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo!
>>
>
>*slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit
>awkward*..."I don't quite get it either?
I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
I could be misunderestimating the jig, but it seems like it would
produce rather small pins for a box joint. Seeing as how I can throw
together a 1/2" or 3/4" box jig in a few minutes using a dado blade, a
couple of scrap oak parts, and the mitre gauge, this seems to
primarily be an exercise in "doing it my way." Or I could be
absolutely, positively wrong and he has found Nirvana! ;-)
Greg G.
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> said:
>On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:16:38 -0500, the infamous Greg
>G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Morris Dovey said:
>>
>>>Greg G. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
>>>> Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
>>>> distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
>>>
>>>Bingo!
>>
>>Ooh! I got one right for a change.
>>
>>>Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than
>>>the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the
>>>simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City
>>>video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?".
>>
>>Mine was "Why haven't I built that?"
>>
>>>As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to
>>>spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width"
>>>paradigm.
>>>....
>>>It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy
>>>to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate.
>>
>>By virtue of it generating it's own references, accuracy is a given.
>>But no dado stack? Morris... Tsk,Tsk... ;-)
>>Just think of what you're missing: flat bottomed grooves with clean
>>edges; no finagling with that wobble width adjustment; respect from
>>your fellow wooddorkers who pried open their wallets and bought a
>>stack of carbide tipped blades and shims in a fancy box. And please
>>tell me it's not a Craftsman from 1962... You surely are a determined
>>individual. ;-)
>
>He's also certifiable. The poor, confused lad just used the terms
>"wobble dado" and "satisfyingly precise joints" in the very same
>sentence! I guess he's...just not finicky. ;)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyo1UKYgCs&feature=related
<BG> I remember Morris. I like this one better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmsORWnwJX4
And I made a typo in the last sentence, was supposed to be demented,
not determined. (ducking)
Greg G.
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:16:38 -0500, the infamous Greg
> G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Morris Dovey said:
>>
>>>Greg G. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
>>>> Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
>>>> distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
>>>
>>>Bingo!
>>
>>Ooh! I got one right for a change.
>>
>>>Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than
>>>the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the
>>>simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City
>>>video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?".
>>
>>Mine was "Why haven't I built that?"
>>
>>>As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to
>>>spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width"
>>>paradigm.
>>>....
>>>It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy
>>>to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate.
>>
>>By virtue of it generating it's own references, accuracy is a given.
>>But no dado stack? Morris... Tsk,Tsk... ;-)
>>Just think of what you're missing: flat bottomed grooves with clean
>>edges; no finagling with that wobble width adjustment; respect from
>>your fellow wooddorkers who pried open their wallets and bought a
>>stack of carbide tipped blades and shims in a fancy box. And please
>>tell me it's not a Craftsman from 1962... You surely are a determined
>>individual. ;-)
>
> He's also certifiable. The poor, confused lad just used the terms
> "wobble dado" and "satisfyingly precise joints" in the very same
> sentence! I guess he's...just not finicky. ;)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyo1UKYgCs&feature=related
>
> --
> When we are planning for posterity,
> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
> -- Thomas Paine
You tube .......... okaaaay .......... it's a cat ......... catfood
........... watching video .......musta missed it ......... watch it again
....... nope ........ WTF did he post that fo......... oh. I see.
Got me you mongrel ; )
diggerop
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:45 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>Morris,
>>
>>Build the jig, send it and a video to Larry. LOL..
>>
>>Sorry Larry but this is getting funny.
>
> Don't forget the printed, full color 'splain with it, eh?
>
> --
> When we are planning for posterity,
> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
> -- Thomas Paine
Your a good sport Larry. '~)
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
> confusing.
>
> Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you?
>
Dear Larry,
I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to
explain the concept.
A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap
dancing.
A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in
which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact
with the patron, or within a very short distance.
Hope this clears up your confusion. : )
diggerop
Greg G. wrote:
> Swingman said:
> Hey, Swing,
> The link you posted, like so many old links, has been transformed into
> one of those wretched fake sites full of advertising. Perhaps you
> could host the original text now that it's defunct. Or Morris, or me.
That's cuz it was part of the original post I made and left in as a date
reference ... some things do change. :)
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Robatoy wrote:
>>> I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
>>> these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
>> Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo!
> *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit
> awkward*..."I don't quite get it either?
IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an
idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6_S6lZKLI
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked
> every bit as well as I'd hoped. :)
>
> That drawing for that is still at
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg
>
> and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page...
>
> Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using
> only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if
> one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be
> interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more
> doodling and came up with this method
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg
>
> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>
> Enjoy!
>
I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Hoosierpopi wrote:
>> Morris wrote:
>>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
>>> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>>
>> Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule
>> and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
>> heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
>>
>> Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
>
> Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
>
> I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot
> more complexity than there really is.
>
> The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
> Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that
> point.
>
> If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped
> making sense.
Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>> Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself!
>
> I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to
> understand! ;-)
I love you Morris!!!
(do you see X-faces?)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Well, maybe to Gnu Yawkuhs...
>
Do I resemble that remark?
(Original Dutchman, living in/near NYC since 1976)
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> http://www.iedu.com/De
Morris,
I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on
the links you provided.
Any ideas??
Thanks,
Steve
Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Steve wrote:
>> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> http://www.iedu.com/De
>>
>> Morris,
>>
>> I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I
>> click on the links you provided.
>
> Steve...
>
> If you were looking for the JPEG files, they were judged too small,
> lacking proper prose obfuscation, and in need of visual proof that the
> designs worked as advertised. <moue>
>
> I deleted them from the server.
>
> The box joint jig _still_ lacks photos, but you can find links to
> remnants of both designs in my project menu at:
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/
>
Morris,
Many thanks, both for the explanation and the update. These look very
interesting, and I can't wait to try them out.
Thanks again,
Steve
On Nov 15, 8:35=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Han" wrote:
> > I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to
> > make
> > these and how to use them. =A0I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
>
> The easiest box joint jig I've seen to bulid and use is the one in
> Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht Joinery.
>
> Lew
I asked Angela to wrap one up for me for Christmas last year after you
had mentioned that book about 623 times <G>
Very good, down-to-earth compilation of all kinds of nifty tips and
tricks.
None of this "and now a couple of passes through the TimeSaver..."
bullshit.
A book where Neanderthal and power-tools meet.
A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that.
r
(Are you sure Fred Bingham isn't your nom-de-plume?) <G>
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:14:14 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> http://www.irfanview.com/
>
>I've installed it and will need to play with it to get me up to speed.
Morris, you don't need to install anything ~ not unless you want to
edit the images in some way (and that includes size). Most modern
image viewing programs have the ability to save images in some other
format, like png.
Morris Dovey said:
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
>> Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
>> distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
>
>Bingo!
Ooh! I got one right for a change.
>Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than
>the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the
>simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City
>video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?".
Mine was "Why haven't I built that?"
>As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to
>spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width"
>paradigm.
>....
>It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy
>to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate.
By virtue of it generating it's own references, accuracy is a given.
But no dado stack? Morris... Tsk,Tsk... ;-)
Just think of what you're missing: flat bottomed grooves with clean
edges; no finagling with that wobble width adjustment; respect from
your fellow wooddorkers who pried open their wallets and bought a
stack of carbide tipped blades and shims in a fancy box. And please
tell me it's not a Craftsman from 1962... You surely are a determined
individual. ;-)
Greg G.
Morris Dovey said:
>Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Greg G. wrote:
>>
>>> With an image editor, of course. If you have a JPG posted online I'll
>>> convert it for you and post if need be.
>>
>> Thanks! I have a 48x48 jpg image at
>>
Morris,
OK - It was my birthday and I went out for a bit and missed you
message. If you still need the pix they are here. As for the outing,
Oh, to be twenty-five again. I think they were just being nice. ;-)
http://webpages.charter.net/videodoctor/images/Avatar.png
and
http://webpages.charter.net/videodoctor/images/X-face.png
Cheers!
Greg G.
Robatoy wrote:
> A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that.
Some things never change:
<Welcome!>
Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the
various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are
without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of
"Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use
something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it.
Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that
Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and
knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is
funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is
smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to
doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H.
obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the
best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and
Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the
mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is,
keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to
initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have
absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you,
with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line.
--
http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/
Last update: 5/20/02
</welcome!>
Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web
sites for wreckers??
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Swingman said:
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> Several names on that list I haven't seen in years. Apeman for one.
>> And BTW, what happened to JOAT?
>
>IRRC correctly, the wooddorking gods told him that webTV was giving them
>a bad name!! :)
>
>(I think he got tired of the political BS and noobs taking exception to
>his cranky ass.)
OK - as long as there are pukey ducks and yellow HF tools somewhere in
the universe, all is well I suppose. The "inspirational plans" posts
were sometimes a hoot. His WebTV box probably became dysfunctional and
he refused to upgrade to a P2/450 w Win95. Since it seemed to be old
home week I thought I'd ask. Thanks.
Greg G.
On 17 Nov 2009 11:32:27 GMT, the infamous Han <[email protected]>
scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Well, maybe to Gnu Yawkuhs...
>>
>
>Do I resemble that remark?
You betcha.
>(Original Dutchman, living in/near NYC since 1976)
I thoght you might be from Hollandaise.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Nov 16, 11:35=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
"Use jpg only if you're sure there won't be any more editing of an
image."
Now, that's an OT I'm happy I read! Thanks
On Nov 15, 10:10=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to mak=
e
> >>> these and how to use them. =A0I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ..=
.
> >> Ditto that. =A0'Splain, Mo!
> > *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit
> > awkward*..."I don't quite get it either?
>
> IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an
> idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPQ6_S6lZKLI
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
The pull-down string on my mental pull-down menu had become
temporarily unattached.
All better now. (I was looking for complexity, didn't find any. Felt
cheated.)
Swingman said:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that.
>
>Some things never change:
>
><Welcome!>
>
>Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the
>various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are
>without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of
>"Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use
>something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it.
>Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that
>Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and
>knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is
>funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is
>smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to
>doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H.
>obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the
>best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and
>Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the
>mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is,
>keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to
>initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have
>absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you,
>with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line.
>
>--
>http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/
>Last update: 5/20/02
>
></welcome!>
>
>Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web
>sites for wreckers??
Hey, Swing,
The link you posted, like so many old links, has been transformed into
one of those wretched fake sites full of advertising. Perhaps you
could host the original text now that it's defunct. Or Morris, or me.
"Wood-Workers.com is for sale. The owner of the domain has it listed
for sale for $35,100."
Ha! Like that's ever gonna happen.
"The registrant of record is now:
RareNames, WebReg
738 Main Street, #389
Waltham, MA 02451 US"
Para-sites, Inc.
Several names on that list I haven't seen in years. Apeman for one.
And BTW, what happened to JOAT?
Greg G.
Steve said:
>Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://www.iedu.com/De
>
>Morris,
>
>I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on
>the links you provided.
>
>Any ideas??
I'm not Morris, but watch the line wrap? Unless Florida has decided
to block non-commercial, educational content. :)
Greg G.
Morris wrote:
> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit
> of explanation with each drawing.
Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and
value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
PS: The workbench is coming along. Had some scrap particle board with
that plastic finish on one side (salvaged store display) for the first
layer of the top. Then a Ping Pong table (old, aged 5' x 9' plywood)
came along ($4 Habitat Re-Store) for the second layer - and, soon,
another use for that Masonite "find" - a sacrificial top surface.
Although, the current ping pong-green top with a white edge is
interesting!
Alas, I am still scouting ideas for a fence arrangement that will work
for the Miter Saw and the RAS. Like to do something "elegantly
functional" with, of course, scrap or salvaged / re-cycled something
or another.
Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:05:39 -0500, the infamous Greg
G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Steve said:
>
>>Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> http://www.iedu.com/De
>>
>>Morris,
>>
>>I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on
>>the links you provided.
>>
>>Any ideas??
>
>I'm not Morris, but watch the line wrap? Unless Florida has decided
>to block non-commercial, educational content. :)
Judging by the half-link shown above, Steve is, indeed, suffering from
line wrap problems. The actual link is below. Note that it does not
end in "De" http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:10:57 -0600, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Robatoy wrote:
>
>>>> I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
>>>> these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
>>> Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo!
>
>> *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit
>> awkward*..."I don't quite get it either?
>
>IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an
>idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6_S6lZKLI
I don't see any connection to the KerfMaker in either one of Morris'
funkyarse tool drawings. They're more like koans than anything,
kwim,V?
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
Greg G. wrote:
> I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
> Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
> distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
Bingo!
> I could be misunderestimating the jig, but it seems like it would
> produce rather small pins for a box joint. Seeing as how I can throw
> together a 1/2" or 3/4" box jig in a few minutes using a dado blade, a
> couple of scrap oak parts, and the mitre gauge, this seems to
> primarily be an exercise in "doing it my way." Or I could be
> absolutely, positively wrong and he has found Nirvana! ;-)
Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than
the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the
simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City
video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?".
As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to
spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width"
paradigm.
For both of my simple jigs, I can use the wobble dado to make the cuts
shown in Figures 1 and 5 (and Figure 7 and 8 of the box joint jig) to
produce satisfyingly precise joints.
(Note that in making the box joint jig, the cut-off from Fig 6 is glued
into the slot cut in Fig 7 to ensure exact finger spacing.)
It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy
to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Hoosierpopi wrote:
> Morris wrote:
>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit
>> of explanation with each drawing.
>
> Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and
> value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
> heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
>
> Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more
complexity than there really is.
The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point.
If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making
sense.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Han wrote:
> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Hoosierpopi wrote:
>>> Morris wrote:
>>>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>>>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
>>>> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>>> Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule
>>> and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
>>> heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
>>>
>>> Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
>> Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
>>
>> I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot
>> more complexity than there really is.
>>
>> The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
>> Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that
>> point.
>>
>> If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped
>> making sense.
>
> Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself!
I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to
understand! ;-)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
>>
>> I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more
>> complexity than there really is.
>>
>> The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
>> Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point.
>>
>> If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making
>> sense.
>
> Better. Need more info. Consider 3-D drawings for clarity, eh?
Eh? It's a 2-D problem with a 2-D solution. :-P
>
> Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's
> supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is
> done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too.
There's a lot of stuff in my shop that's "up in the air". Why should
this be any different?
> Sample piece: 1", 9", or 48' x ? Rereading it, is the sample piece
> supposed to be the width of the final joint?
Yup (I think you're catching on!)
> You say "Rotate the jig 180 degrees." Oh, so piece 'C' is the entire
> jig? OK. Maybe show the jig at the top of the page and then describe
> how it's made and how it's used?
Right under Figure 5 I wrote: "Block C is your new lap joint jig."
C'mon, Larry, that's like starting a joke with the punch line - but just
for you, I'll shoot a picture and put it at the top of the page.
> Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is
> confusing.
I don't talk good, too. Suggested wording?
> Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP
I like diggerop's definition. :)
> Show sample output from this jig on the page, please.
<sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
at the top of the page.
> Wait, is the area between the pink kerf/blade and the red kerf/blade
> supposed to be a half-lap cutout? We're looking down onto the
> tablesaw top from above, right?
That's the viewpoint for all of the drawings, yes.
> P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded
> drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to
> build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I
> can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris.
I can (sorta) grasp where you're coming from - but with /this/ gizmo
there's nothing complex to explode and the only dimension that has any
significance at all is the width of the kerf.
> <sigh>
Yeah, me too. I've zapped the small drawings of both lap and box joint
jigs. My intent was to show how simple they can be, but instead only
added to the general confusion. My apologies to all.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Greg G. wrote:
> With an image editor, of course. If you have a JPG posted online I'll
> convert it for you and post if need be.
Thanks! I have a 48x48 jpg image at
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/Avatar.jpg
(extracted from Morris.jpg in the same directory)
My ancient PaintShop Pro doesn't understand png files :(
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Greg G. wrote:
>
>> With an image editor, of course. If you have a JPG posted online I'll
>> convert it for you and post if need be.
>
> Thanks! I have a 48x48 jpg image at
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/Avatar.jpg
>
> (extracted from Morris.jpg in the same directory)
>
> My ancient PaintShop Pro doesn't understand png files :(
Oops! Wrong file - make that
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/X-face.jpg
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Stephen Quinn wrote:
> Morris
>
>> Maybe - I just installed the add-on, now I need to figure out how to turn
>> jpg files into png files.
>
> http://www.irfanview.com/
I've installed it and will need to play with it to get me up to speed.
Shrank my avatar to 48x48 and monochrome, now need to tinker a bit to
shrink that without making it all grainy. Fun.
Thanks!
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
[email protected] wrote:
> Actually, you should save all initial images in some format other than
> jpg since they use a 'lossy' format. Every time you save a jpg image,
> it loses a fraction of its sharpness. Use jpg only if you're sure
> there won't be any more editing of an image.
I wasn't aware of that, but do keep the originals of both photos and
drawings - a Very Good Thing in light of this information!
Now I'm planning to revisit my camera instruction book to see what
non-jpeg formats it offers...
Very good to know - thank you.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Steve wrote:
> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> http://www.iedu.com/De
>
> Morris,
>
> I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on
> the links you provided.
Steve...
If you were looking for the JPEG files, they were judged too small,
lacking proper prose obfuscation, and in need of visual proof that the
designs worked as advertised. <moue>
I deleted them from the server.
The box joint jig _still_ lacks photos, but you can find links to
remnants of both designs in my project menu at:
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:51:49 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> Morris Dovey wrote:
>>
>>> <sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
>>> at the top of the page.
>> Photo of jig and joint added.
>
> Huh, all I see is some Christian symbol and an upside down, poorly
> formed L.
Ok - I finally broke down and bought a little shirt-pocked digital video
camera. If I can figure the little bugger out without breaking it, I'll
add a video to the web page in spring. <mumble>
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:04:18 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>> Ok - I finally broke down and bought a little shirt-pocket digital video
>> camera. If I can figure the little bugger out without breaking it, I'll
>> add a video to the web page in spring. <mumble>
>
> See? I gave you an excuse to go buy yet another toy, er, I mean tool.
Thank you /so/ very much!
> P.S: I hope you have a receipt and can return it. Those cheapies are
> truly nasty in most cases.
Well, it was either a cheapie (less than $100) or nothing. B'sides, the
videos aren't for /me/ to watch. :->
I shot a couple of short clips at home to try it out (the tiny little
thing did look kinda silly perched on my tripod) and it did ok when I
loaded the file into the computer for playing - but I think they may
have done some cost-cutting with their HDMI driver circuit.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:19:16 -0800 (PST), the infamous Hoosierpopi
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 16, 11:35 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>"Use jpg only if you're sure there won't be any more editing of an
>image."
>
>Now, that's an OT I'm happy I read! Thanks
The best bet is to save the highest resolution graphic you have in a
non-lossy format (tiff, psd, bmp, etc) and then make modified and/or
compressed copies for use everywhere else.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:16:38 -0500, the infamous Greg
G.<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Morris Dovey said:
>
>>Greg G. wrote:
>>
>>> I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs.
>>> Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the
>>> distance of the pin registration hole of the jig.
>>
>>Bingo!
>
>Ooh! I got one right for a change.
>
>>Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than
>>the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the
>>simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City
>>video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?".
>
>Mine was "Why haven't I built that?"
>
>>As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to
>>spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width"
>>paradigm.
>>....
>>It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy
>>to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate.
>
>By virtue of it generating it's own references, accuracy is a given.
>But no dado stack? Morris... Tsk,Tsk... ;-)
>Just think of what you're missing: flat bottomed grooves with clean
>edges; no finagling with that wobble width adjustment; respect from
>your fellow wooddorkers who pried open their wallets and bought a
>stack of carbide tipped blades and shims in a fancy box. And please
>tell me it's not a Craftsman from 1962... You surely are a determined
>individual. ;-)
He's also certifiable. The poor, confused lad just used the terms
"wobble dado" and "satisfyingly precise joints" in the very same
sentence! I guess he's...just not finicky. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyo1UKYgCs&feature=related
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:58:46 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Now I'm planning to revisit my camera instruction book to see what
>non-jpeg formats it offers...
>Very good to know - thank you.
You're welcome. Just a little bit more information. jpg is good for
saving images since it compresses them to a very small, but still
viewable size. That's about its only use. The act of uncompressing a
jpg (behind the scenes act) for editing is what slightly damages the
image and then you're stuck with that slight segregation when you
resave it.
If you compare a jpg to the same png image, you'll see that the png is
quite a bit larger. But then, the png can be safely edited without any
image loss, not so with the jpg.
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:38:28 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Maybe - I just installed the add-on, now I need to figure out how to
>turn jpg files into png files.
If you're using Windows XP, then you already have the means. Open an
image using Windows picture and fax viewer, click on the 'save' icon,
select 'save as type', pick png and save it wherever you want. A new
image is made and the old one isn't changed in any way.
Actually, you should save all initial images in some format other than
jpg since they use a 'lossy' format. Every time you save a jpg image,
it loses a fraction of its sharpness. Use jpg only if you're sure
there won't be any more editing of an image.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:42:20 -0800, the infamous Mike M
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>I'm just a lurker but I learned quick about electrical advice. I hold
>a master electricians license and 40 years on the job. Learned real
>quick to keep quiet.
>
>Mike M
Was that for liability purposes or due to the massive amounts of
incoming flak from the heavily opinionated (and highly wrong) wannabes
out there, Mike? ("I didn't have any solder so I used chewing gum.")
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:20:35 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Han wrote:
>> Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Hoosierpopi wrote:
>>>> Morris wrote:
>>>>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>>>>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
>>>>> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>>>> Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule
>>>> and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
>>>> heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
>>>>
>>>> Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
>>> Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
>>>
>>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
>>>
>>> I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot
>>> more complexity than there really is.
>>>
>>> The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
>>> Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that
>>> point.
>>>
>>> If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped
>>> making sense.
>>
>> Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself!
>
>I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to
>understand! ;-)
Well, maybe to Gnu Yawkuhs...
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:45:45 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"
<toobusy@themoment> scrawled the following:
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>> confusing.
>>
>> Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you?
>>
>
>Dear Larry,
>I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to
>explain the concept.
>A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap
>dancing.
Oh, I'm well aware of those places, Dop. But that wasn't the sort of
reference Mo was drawing. (The kerfs were way too narrow for the type
of ladies who hang out in lap joints, kwim,V?)
>A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in
>which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact
>with the patron, or within a very short distance.
>Hope this clears up your confusion. : )
Mo gave pics. Where are -your-reference photos, sir?
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:26:10 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>> Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's
>> supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is
>> done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too.
>
>There's a lot of stuff in my shop that's "up in the air". Why should
>this be any different?
2 Points, sir.
>> Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is
>> confusing.
>
>I don't talk good, too. Suggested wording?
Don't talk "well", ya silly savage. Oh, just redo the entire page,
will ya, and add dims for the blocks you cut and reference them in the
pics. It removes any obfuscation. A "C" showing on the one pic and an
upside down "C" showing on the rotated jig would be illustratorily
effusive as well. (Just try to find -that- one in a dict!)
>> Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP
>
>I like diggerop's definition. :)
Their kerfs are larger than your kerfs. </neener>
>> Show sample output from this jig on the page, please.
>
><sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
>at the top of the page.
Label which is which, too, OK? <gd&r>
>That's the viewpoint for all of the drawings, yes.
>
>> P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded
>> drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to
>> build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I
>> can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris.
>
>I can (sorta) grasp where you're coming from - but with /this/ gizmo
>there's nothing complex to explode and the only dimension that has any
>significance at all is the width of the kerf.
No, you don't quite grasp it. I can savvy the complex stuff but yours
is _too_ simple. Because you left out any references and showed 'em
only in 2 dims, what could be an elevation could also be an overhead
perspective. There's no way to tell.
>> <sigh>
>
>Yeah, me too. I've zapped the small drawings of both lap and box joint
>jigs. My intent was to show how simple they can be, but instead only
>added to the general confusion. My apologies to all.
50 lashes with a long, limp, wet Robatoy noodle for you!
I'd have spent more time with you on this tonight but my muscles are
so sore I'm going to bed. Squatting 8 hours a day doing this client's
17" tall deck is killing my thigh muskuls sumpin' fierce. Thank God
it's going to be _raining_ for the next 3 days...My ibuprofen has met
its match.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:51:49 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>> <sigh> Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/
>> at the top of the page.
>
>Photo of jig and joint added.
Huh, all I see is some Christian symbol and an upside down, poorly
formed L.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:45 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Morris,
>
>Build the jig, send it and a video to Larry. LOL..
>
>Sorry Larry but this is getting funny.
Don't forget the printed, full color 'splain with it, eh?
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Hoosierpopi wrote:
>> Morris wrote:
>>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit
>>> of explanation with each drawing.
>>
>> Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and
>> value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make
>> heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings."
>>
>> Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well.
>
>Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/
>
>I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more
>complexity than there really is.
>
>The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above
>Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point.
>
>If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making
>sense.
Better. Need more info. Consider 3-D drawings for clarity, eh?
Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's
supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is
done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too.
Sample piece: 1", 9", or 48' x ? Rereading it, is the sample piece
supposed to be the width of the final joint?
You say "Rotate the jig 180 degrees." Oh, so piece 'C' is the entire
jig? OK. Maybe show the jig at the top of the page and then describe
how it's made and how it's used?
Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is
confusing.
Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP
Show sample output from this jig on the page, please.
Wait, is the area between the pink kerf/blade and the red kerf/blade
supposed to be a half-lap cutout? We're looking down onto the
tablesaw top from above, right?
P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded
drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to
build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I
can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris.
<sigh>
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:50:16 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> With an image editor, of course. If you have a JPG posted online I'll
>> convert it for you and post if need be.
>
>Thanks! I have a 48x48 jpg image at
>
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/Avatar.jpg
>
>(extracted from Morris.jpg in the same directory)
>
>My ancient PaintShop Pro doesn't understand png files :(
Windows Paint (XP) can talk PNG, GIF, TIFF, JPG, and 4 flavors of BMP.
I think the freeware IrfanView can convert for you, too. Good prog.
www.irfanview.com
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:26:27 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 16, 9:45 am, "diggerop" <toobusy@themoment> wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
>> > <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>> > confusing.
>>
>> > Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you?
>>
>> Dear Larry,
>> I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to
>> explain the concept.
>> A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap
>> dancing.
>> A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in
>> which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact
>.
>.
>.
>.
>> with the patron, or within a very short distance.
>
>Speak for yourself.
Robatoy's braggin' _again_? His mama never gave him no toys.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:58:46 -0600, Morris Dovey <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Now I'm planning to revisit my camera instruction book to see what
>non-jpeg formats it offers...
Don't know what camera you have, but it likely also offers a raw image
saving format which saves all information possible. Files sizes are
absolutely huge and not what most people would consider using except
maybe for professional photographers and people like that.
I'm just a lurker but I learned quick about electrical advice. I hold
a master electricians license and 40 years on the job. Learned real
quick to keep quiet.
Mike M
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:49:06 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robatoy wrote:
>> A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that.
>
>Some things never change:
>
><Welcome!>
>
>Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the
>various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are
>without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of
>"Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use
>something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it.
>Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that
>Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and
>knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is
>funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is
>smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to
>doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H.
>obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the
>best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and
>Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the
>mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is,
>keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to
>initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have
>absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you,
>with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line.
>
>--
>http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/
>Last update: 5/20/02
>
></welcome!>
>
>Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web
>sites for wreckers??
On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han <[email protected]>
scrawled the following:
>Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked
>> every bit as well as I'd hoped. :)
>>
>> That drawing for that is still at
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg
>>
>> and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page...
>>
>> Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using
>> only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if
>> one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be
>> interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more
>> doodling and came up with this method
>>
>> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg
>>
>> This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already
>> planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a
>> bit of explanation with each drawing.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make
>these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ...
Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo!
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
Swingman said:
>Greg G. wrote:
>> Swingman said:
>
>> Hey, Swing,
>> The link you posted, like so many old links, has been transformed into
>> one of those wretched fake sites full of advertising. Perhaps you
>> could host the original text now that it's defunct. Or Morris, or me.
>
>That's cuz it was part of the original post I made and left in as a date
>reference ... some things do change. :)
OK - I'm getting more stoopid as I age. I thought you were pointing
readers to the original text for even more enlightenment. Sorry.
As for change... not often for the better.
Greg G.
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:35:00 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:45 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>Morris,
>>>
>>>Build the jig, send it and a video to Larry. LOL..
>>>
>>>Sorry Larry but this is getting funny.
>>
>> Don't forget the printed, full color 'splain with it, eh?
>>
>> --
>> When we are planning for posterity,
>> we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
>> -- Thomas Paine
>
>Your a good sport Larry. '~)
Of course I am. (Now send money. Lots of small bills in a brown paper
bag in the middle of the night, please.)
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine