I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian hardwoods at
a local supplier at very reasonable prices. Now he doesn't have _any_.
Woodworkerssource.com used to have a tremendous selection, now they
don't even have samples of most of the species they list. I'm having to
look long and hard and am finding onesey-twosey turning squares and not
great stacks of rough-sawn lumber like I was used to.
Anybody know what has happened? Did some new regulations go into
effect? Has the US somehow managed to piss off the international lumber
market?
In article <1lX8o.136603$X%4.127755@hurricane>,
dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>
>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>> sources out there.
>>
>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
>Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
>ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>eastern Kansas.
You'll find it growing as far east as Iowa and Missouri.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:41:29 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian hardwoods at
>>> a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>
>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>
>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide range
>> of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other sources
>> out there.
>
>They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
The rainforest has been harvested - and many countries are putting
cutting restrictions in place.
Those that aren't should be.
J. Clarke wrote:
> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>
>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>
>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>> sources out there.
>
> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
eastern Kansas.
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> >> ....=A0The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
> >> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge =
in
> >> eastern Kansas.
>
> >Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
> >Arkansas either .....
>
> Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central Md=
,
> too. Some sources I have read say they are native to SE USA but I don't
> know if that includes Md. or these were intentionally planted here. ....
Decades ago, I knew a guy in Glen Burnie who had 2000 BF of Osage
orange to sell. Where he got it, I don't know. I ran a couple of
sample planks through my thickness planer and completely buggered my
blades. It was like running limestone through. I was told that Osage
orange was used for cleats on a boat.
On Aug 12, 11:16=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
wrote:
> When I lived in Missouri back in the seventies we called 'em "hedge apple=
s".
> Not sure why...
In rural western NJ, the farmers of old planted them in rows to make a
natural fence. Some old farms had a row of them where the property
met the road. Around the bases there's always so much scrub brush and
sticks growing, that if they are planted close together it make an
effective barrier like a fence or hedge.
On Aug 16, 8:30=A0am, KIMOSABE <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 11:16=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > When I lived in Missouri back in the seventies we called 'em "hedge app=
les".
> > Not sure why...
>
> In rural western NJ, the farmers of old planted them in rows to make a
> natural fence. =A0Some old farms had a row of them where the property
> met the road. =A0Around the bases there's always so much scrub brush and
> sticks growing, that if they are planted close together it make an
> effective barrier like a fence or hedge.
We had them along the farm borders in central Illinois, too. I was
told they were put there for erosion control after the dust-bowl of
the '30s.
On Aug 12, 3:19=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/12/2010 1:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
> >>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. =A0......
>
> >>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>
> >>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
> >>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
> >>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
> >>> sources out there.
>
> >> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
> >> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
> > Rain forest Osage orange? =A0The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") =
I have
> > ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge i=
n
> > eastern Kansas.
>
> Bois d'Arc ... or horse apples.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Bow wood. Osage hedge wood makes an excellent bow.
I think the osage from the rainforest is like the 'cherry' wood we all
love and use.... and has absolutely nothing to do with cherries. Or
'tulip wood'... another one of those...(poplar, really). And....(now
in my best Andy Rooney voice) what does rosewood have to do with roses?
On Aug 12, 1:16=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:41:29 -0400, "J. Clarke"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian hardwoods=
at
> >>> a local supplier at very reasonable prices. =A0......
>
> >>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>
> >> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
> >> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide range
> >> of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other sources
> >> out there.
>
> >They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
> >and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
> The rainforest has been harvested - and many countries are putting
> cutting restrictions in place.
>
> Those that aren't should be.
Hear hear!
and Ohio
dadiOH wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>> sources out there.
>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
> eastern Kansas.
>
On 8/12/2010 1:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>
>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>> sources out there.
>>
>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
> eastern Kansas.
>
Bois d'Arc ... or horse apples.
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>>
>>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They
>>>> have outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a
>>>> wide range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are
>>>> other sources out there.
>>>
>>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange
>>> boards and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>>
>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple")
>> I have ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a
>> smidge in eastern Kansas.
>
> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
> Arkansas either (hooda thunk?). We had some growing near our rural
> home a few miles east of the Missouri River bottoms between Jefferson
> City and Columbia, which is pretty far north of where it's normally
> found.
>
Pretty common in NE Oklahoma where I grew up.
The trees if allowed to grow that way - we had an 'orchard' next door to us -
have thorns. Often in the wild and underbrush areas it makes a low tree/bush.
With the thorns, not much wants to go through.
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On 8/12/2010 10:42 PM, dpb wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
>> On 8/12/2010 6:09 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Steve Turner<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> <<...snipped...>>
>>>>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
>>>>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>>>>> eastern Kansas.
>>>>
>>>> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>>>> Arkansas either...
>>> Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central Md,
> ...
>> When I lived in Missouri back in the seventies we called 'em "hedge apples".
>> Not sure why...
>
> They're quite widespread in eastern KS (or at least were unless they've been
> systematically removed...
>
> There "hedge apples" owing to they were often planted along field borders and
> developed into dense growth, hence hedges. The apple portion should be
> self-evident...
>
> --
>
>
> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian hardwoods at
> a local supplier at very reasonable prices. =A0......
>
> Anybody know what has happened?.....
It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide range
of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other sources
out there.
Joel
On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian hardwoods at
>> a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>
>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>
> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide range
> of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other sources
> out there.
They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>
>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>
>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>> sources out there.
>>
>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>
> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
> eastern Kansas.
Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern Arkansas either (hooda
thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home a few miles east of the Missouri River
bottoms between Jefferson City and Columbia, which is pretty far north of where it's
normally found.
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On 8/12/2010 3:06 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>>
>>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>>> sources out there.
>>>
>>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>>
>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I
>> have
>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>> eastern Kansas.
>
> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
> Arkansas either (hooda thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home
> a few miles east of the Missouri River bottoms between Jefferson City
> and Columbia, which is pretty far north of where it's normally found.
Apparently in South America it grows to be a big tree. They used to
have 8/4 12 feet long.
>
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 8/12/2010 1:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 8/12/2010 7:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to be able to get all kinds of wonderful Argentinian
>>>>> hardwoods at a local supplier at very reasonable prices. ......
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody know what has happened?.....
>>>>
>>>> It may depend on where you live. Near us is Exotic Lumber. They have
>>>> outlets in Gaithersburg, MD and Annapolis, MD., And offer a wide
>>>> range of wood - both imported and domestic. I'm sure there are other
>>>> sources out there.
>>>
>>> They've got a bit but none of the big rain forest osage orange boards
>>> and lapacho and quina and so on that I was used to.
>>
>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I
>> have
>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>> eastern Kansas.
>>
>
> Bois d'Arc ... or horse apples.
How do they get the horses to climb the trees?
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
<<...snipped...>>
>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>> eastern Kansas.
>
>Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>Arkansas either (hooda
>thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home a few miles east of
>the Missouri River
>bottoms between Jefferson City and Columbia, which is pretty far north
>of where it's
>normally found.
Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central Md,
too. Some sources I have read say they are native to SE USA but I don't
know if that includes Md. or these were intentionally planted here. BTW,
their commonly called "poke apple" around here.
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:06:26 -0500, Steve Turner wrote:
>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I
>> have ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a
>> smidge in eastern Kansas.
>
> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
> Arkansas either (hooda thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home
> a few miles east of the Missouri River bottoms between Jefferson City
> and Columbia, which is pretty far north of where it's normally found.
Also grew in Kentucky.
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:13:32 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>> Arkansas either (hooda thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home
>> a few miles east of the Missouri River bottoms between Jefferson City
>> and Columbia, which is pretty far north of where it's normally found.
>
> Apparently in South America it grows to be a big tree. They used to
> have 8/4 12 feet long.
>>
The stuff from S.A. is a different species, but the same genus. It's
called Argentine Osage Orange, Yes it is larger and the claim is made
that the color doesn't go away like it does in the native stuff. I don't
know if that's true or not. See:
<http://www.amazonexotichardwoods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TB-AOO>
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On 8/12/2010 6:09 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Steve Turner<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> <<...snipped...>>
>>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
>>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>>> eastern Kansas.
>>
>> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>> Arkansas either (hooda
>> thunk?). We had some growing near our rural home a few miles east of
>> the Missouri River
>> bottoms between Jefferson City and Columbia, which is pretty far north
>> of where it's
>> normally found.
>
> Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central Md,
> too. Some sources I have read say they are native to SE USA but I don't
> know if that includes Md. or these were intentionally planted here. BTW,
> their commonly called "poke apple" around here.
When I lived in Missouri back in the seventies we called 'em "hedge apples".
Not sure why...
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Steve Turner wrote:
> On 8/12/2010 6:09 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Steve Turner<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2010 01:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> <<...snipped...>>
>>>> Rain forest Osage orange? The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple")
>>>> I have
>>>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a
>>>> smidge in
>>>> eastern Kansas.
>>>
>>> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>>> Arkansas either...
>> Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central
>> Md,
...
> When I lived in Missouri back in the seventies we called 'em "hedge
> apples". Not sure why...
They're quite widespread in eastern KS (or at least were unless they've
been systematically removed...
There "hedge apples" owing to they were often planted along field
borders and developed into dense growth, hence hedges. The apple
portion should be self-evident...
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On 8/13/2010 7:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> .... The only Osage orange (aka "hedge apple") I have
>>>> ever seen growing naturally was in NE Texas, SW Oklahoma and a smidge in
>>>> eastern Kansas.
>>
>>> Not uncommon in the Osage Mountains of southern Missouri and northern
>>> Arkansas either .....
>>
>> Not too common but I have seen them growing at a few places in central Md,
>> too. Some sources I have read say they are native to SE USA but I don't
>> know if that includes Md. or these were intentionally planted here. ....
>
> Decades ago, I knew a guy in Glen Burnie who had 2000 BF of Osage
> orange to sell. Where he got it, I don't know. I ran a couple of
> sample planks through my thickness planer and completely buggered my
> blades. It was like running limestone through. I was told that Osage
> orange was used for cleats on a boat.
>