Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <[email protected]> on
or about Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:50:04 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:21:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <[email protected]> on
>>or about Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:07:53 -0700 did write/type or cause to
>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>>>>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>>>>we get the answer:
>>>>
>>>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>50 cal maching gun link.
>>>
>>>Shrug..no biggie.
>>
>> Compared to a 30 cal maching gun link? I'd say it is a biggie.
>>
>> Compared to a 30 mm Vulcan round link - defiantly "no biggie".
>
>Compared to a 20 mm link..shrug...no biggie either. <G>
>
>Gunner, who has examples of all..now if he can only remember which
>box/bag/bin/cabinet they are in....sigh..stroke moment.....
LOL.
Caroline milked "I have brain cancer" as an excuse for any and all
memory, behavior or other lapses she needed an excuse for.
And Chris "just" got home after surgery removed 99% of a brain
tumor. Big stress for his wife - he's the sort who was never sick in
his life - and now this. Lot of prayers for him. And for Todd, who
fell off a roof last winter .. and yada, yada, yada. I must be
getting old, I know more people who have reason to be in Hospital ...
they're not old enough to be that, err, old.
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:49:41 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I never ever loaded a .50 cal pod on a F-4, 20mm yes the ammo brass
>> and links dump out into the air though. The F-4E retain the ammo brass
>> but it was delinked before it was chambered. I was a weapons mechanic
>> at Seymour Johnson AFB and have the Phantom bite scars to prove it.
>>
>> Mark
>
>When were you at Seymour Mark?
Jan 75 through July 78.
Mark
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>we get the answer:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob
First item is a link from a disintegrating link ammo belt. Based on
the size, it's for a .50 cal Browning. Since it was found out in the
desert, it probably fell from an aircraft during gunnery practice.
Could be some .50 cal brass scattered in the same general area.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
"E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>> 1702 A guess, based on a crude description of the parts... A tractor (or
>> possibly animal team) pull sled. It has a weight and a mechanism to move
>> the weight from one end to the other as it moves, changing the effective
>> drag.
>>
>
> I see a differential. I imagine you would crank down a dragging support
> under the far end and hook your tractor or team to that end, and the
> wheels would supply the power to draw the weight forward toward the
> dragging support.
>
> If a pad of a certain material were attached to the dragging support,
> perhaps on a paved grade it could test the coefficient of friction.
Looks similar to the trailer towed in "mud drags" / "bog racing" where the
further the thing is dragged the greater the load it presents to the towing
vehicle. mmm, cant find a pic of a similar one anywhere.
Could 1701 be the 'control panel' for a bell or chime tower?
--
Pete Snell
Department of Physics
Royal Military College
Kingston, Ontario,
Canada
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On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:12:31 GMT, Rich Grise <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>>
>>> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
>> front,
>>> and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>>>
>>
>> Really?
>
>Well, that's what they did with the .50 cals miniguns that they hung under
>the F-4 phantoms in Southeast Asia.
>
I never ever loaded a .50 cal pod on a F-4, 20mm yes the ammo brass
and links dump out into the air though. The F-4E retain the ammo brass
but it was delinked before it was chambered. I was a weapons mechanic
at Seymour Johnson AFB and have the Phantom bite scars to prove it.
Mark
In article <[email protected]>,
Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
> people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
> we get the answer:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1701 reminds me a bit of the levers in the frame of a signal box for
controlling the point and signals on a railway.
I would guess the American ones would be different from the ones in the UK.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number
>of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be
>surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
First one looks like something to do with a flag pole. A holder for carrying
a flag in a parade? Perhaps on horseback?
"Markem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I never ever loaded a .50 cal pod on a F-4, 20mm yes the ammo brass
> and links dump out into the air though. The F-4E retain the ammo brass
> but it was delinked before it was chambered. I was a weapons mechanic
> at Seymour Johnson AFB and have the Phantom bite scars to prove it.
>
> Mark
When were you at Seymour Mark?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> That was my first reaction, but note that one loop is smaller than the
> other--it could simply be bent but if it's part of a disintegrating
> belt it seems to me that that would be likely to cause a stoppage.
>
Nah... that's the front -- just keeps the rounds "registered" in the
belt. Now, staggered rounds -- that'll end up stopping a Browning 50.
LLoyd
Northe <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:t6ejm.114623
[email protected]:
> 1699: Definitely looks like a link from belted ammunition. Depending
on
> size, it could be 7.62 mm for the M60 machine gun, .50 caliber or,
> possibly, 20 mm.
>
The size is shown.
LLoyd
Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
front,
> and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>
Really?
LLoyd
Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>>
>>> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
>> front,
>>> and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>>>
>>
>> Really?
>
> Well, that's what they did with the .50 cals miniguns that they hung
> under the F-4 phantoms in Southeast Asia.
>
> Hope This Helps!
> Rich
>
Rich, I was being just a touch facetious. I spent a long time behind
both a single and twin Browing .50 on Swift Boats in RVN.
They extract each round from the belt, and chamber it fully. Think
about it... where would the link fit inside the chamber?
Here's the only vid I could find quickly that shows the rounds being
ejected onto the roof of the vehicle.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=
3809931
LLoyd
Whip holder for a buggy or wagon?
Art
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
:
:
: > 1703 - ....Some sort of rope grab
: > one-way clutch for leather belting, quick release for many trips a
: > day. The nubbies on the center pivot section would grip the belt as
: > it goes through.
:
:
: You're on the right track here, it's not for a belt but for something fairly
: common in the 1800's.
:
:
: Rob
:
On Aug 20, 4:26=A0am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number=
of
> people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised=
if
> we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Rob
Yep, 1699 is ammo belt link. Had about 4 .50 cal. shells(no powder)
when I was a kid. Dad worked for arms manufacturer in WW2, got them
for me. Also gave me a nice hunting knife made from reject bayonet,
but it disappeared somewhere over the years.
1701 - I'm going to take a couple guesses here (1) Control handles for
a carillon? First glance looked like a keyboard with sharps/flats/etc.
(2) Stage lighting controls for spotlights, colored lighting, etc.
1702 - sure looks like an early/primitive/homebuilt tractor pulling
weight transfer, missing the "sled" under the front.
Norm
In article <[email protected]>, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
> people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
> we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Some guesses, and mostly uneducated ones at that:
1699 - I would guess it's a part to an old gun, perhaps holding the
stock or magazine onto the barrel and chamber. If so, I would assume
that a gun nut/collector could look up the hieroglyphics and numbers
stamped on it and determine more about it.
1700 - Lumberman/logger's tool for manipulating logs (with the pointy
end) or stamping them with an ownership mark (flattened end, which would
originally had some raised punch)?
1701 - These look to me to be hydraulic control valves for some piece of
equipment, such as a cherry picker truck or car carrier trailer. The
boom (?) mount in the background looks far more cherry-picker like than
car-carrier like.
1702 - Ye notte so olde battering ramme?...or perhaps a smallish
portable pile driver (which would of course e stood up on end before
being used)?
1703 - This appears to be designed to hold a strap or rope or similar
thing against (modest) tension; perhaps the intended use was for
old-fashioned large venetian blinds, or perhaps something else entirely.
1704 - This looks somewhat like a gasoline tank of comparatively early
design, but I think that's likely not correct, especially with the pivot
or screw apparently piercing the side in the middle. Maybe it's a hose
reel.
Now to read other guesses...
--
Andrew Erickson
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
1702 A guess, based on a crude description of the parts... A tractor (or
possibly animal team) pull sled. It has a weight and a mechanism to move
the weight from one end to the other as it moves, changing the effective
drag.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number
>of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be
>surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1701 Let me try a wild guess, based on the words in the description... When
I was a kid, baseball scoreboards had a guy hanging numbered panels in
windows. Nowadays, they use computers. Could this be part of the control
for a baseball scoreboard?
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number
>of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be
>surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll
> be surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1699 - Browning M2 .50 cal belt link. (missing the important part that
goes bang.
1700 - Could be an early hole punch ?
1701 - Not a clue. Looks like it could be interesting though!
1702 - Home built weight transfer machine.
1703 - Old self locking clamp?
1704 - easy pour oil filler for a lamp???
--
Steve W.
Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> 1702 A guess, based on a crude description of the parts... A tractor (or
> possibly animal team) pull sled. It has a weight and a mechanism to move
> the weight from one end to the other as it moves, changing the effective
> drag.
>
I see a differential. I imagine you would crank down a dragging support
under the far end and hook your tractor or team to that end, and the
wheels would supply the power to draw the weight forward toward the
dragging support.
If a pad of a certain material were attached to the dragging support,
perhaps on a paved grade it could test the coefficient of friction.
Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll
> be surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1700: John Henry is said to have warned his assistant, "If I ever miss,
it will be your judgment day."
I think the unseen end of the arm of this tool was flat like a spatula.
I think a man with a ten-pound hammer would step on the flat end. I
think the tool was to make a starter hole for a spike.
Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll
> be surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
1704: I'd call it a jug. Nowadays, an oil drum, coffee urn, or water
trailer uses a tap. Instead, you would rotate this jug about the center
pin until the tap was at the level of the fluid inside. The spout tip
is designed so the fluid won't run back along the bottom of the spout.
It could be for water, fuel, or lubricant, as examples.
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> Rob H. wrote:
>>> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
>>> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it,
>>> I'll be surprised if we get the answer:
>>>
>>
> 1699 It sure looks like a .50-caliber machine gun belt link to me.
That was my first reaction, but note that one loop is smaller than the
other--it could simply be bent but if it's part of a disintegrating belt it
seems to me that that would be likely to cause a stoppage.
"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number
>of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be
>surprised if we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
I think the guesses that 1699 is a link from a .50 cal ammo belt are
correct.
See:
http://www.pt103.com/images/Browning_50_cal_M2_Link.jpg
I imagine it takes a lot of these to keep Ma Deuce fed.
1700 looks like a blacksmith's hot punch.
Paul K. Dickman
"Peter DiVergilio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First item is a link to hold .50cal Machine gun ammo
Thanks, that didn't take long, I showed this to a lot of tool collectors but
we were all stumped by it.
Rob
"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Whip holder for a buggy or wagon?
Nope
> : > 1703 - ....Some sort of rope grab
> : > one-way clutch for leather belting, quick release for many trips a
> : > day. The nubbies on the center pivot section would grip the belt as
> : > it goes through.
> :
> :
> : You're on the right track here, it's not for a belt but for something
> fairly
> : common in the 1800's.
> :
> :
> : Rob
> :
>
>
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>>> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>>>
>>>> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
>>>> front, and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Well, that's what they did with the .50 cals miniguns that they hung
>> under the F-4 phantoms in Southeast Asia.
>>
>> Hope This Helps!
>> Rich
>>
>
> Rich, I was being just a touch facetious. I spent a long time behind
> both a single and twin Browing .50 on Swift Boats in RVN.
>
> They extract each round from the belt, and chamber it fully. Think
> about it... where would the link fit inside the chamber?
>
> Here's the only vid I could find quickly that shows the rounds being
> ejected onto the roof of the vehicle.
>
> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=
> 3809931
FWIW, a Minigun is a very different critter from a Browning.
Rob H. wrote:
>
> "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Whip holder for a buggy or wagon?
>
>
> Nope
Reins? A driver might get tired of holding them while traveling, or he
might want to stop and dismount.
>
>
>
>
>> : > 1703 - ....Some sort of rope grab
>> : > one-way clutch for leather belting, quick release for many trips a
>> : > day. The nubbies on the center pivot section would grip the belt as
>> : > it goes through.
>> :
>> :
>> : You're on the right track here, it's not for a belt but for
>> something fairly
>> : common in the 1800's.
>> :
>> :
>> : Rob
>> :
>>
>>
>
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:15:19 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Reins? A driver might get tired of holding them while traveling, or he
>>> might want to stop and dismount.
>>
>> Correct! It's a reins holder, these came in many different shapes and
>> models.
>
> Oh. And reins from that period are made out of...?
>
> Yes, leather or woven fabric belting. Just a little narrower than
> you would use to strap down a load. Gimme a little credit for
> recognizing a Camlock when I see it. ;-)
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
When you said it was a camlock, I said, "Why didn't I think of that!"
It took more hints before I thought of reins.
>>> Reins? A driver might get tired of holding them while traveling, or he
>>> might want to stop and dismount.
>>
>>
>>Correct! It's a reins holder, these came in many different shapes and
>>models.
>
> Oh. And reins from that period are made out of...?
>
> Yes, leather or woven fabric belting. Just a little narrower than
> you would use to strap down a load. Gimme a little credit for
> recognizing a Camlock when I see it. ;-)
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
Yes, you had the right idea with the camlock, wish I could have found the
patent for this device but I don't think Google has it in their listings.
Five of the six have been answered correctly this week, the answers have
been posted here:
http://answers298e.blogspot.com/
Rob
Nahmie wrote:
> On Aug 20, 4:26 am, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>> people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>> we get the answer:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>> Rob
>
> Yep, 1699 is ammo belt link. Had about 4 .50 cal. shells(no powder)
> when I was a kid. Dad worked for arms manufacturer in WW2, got them
> for me. Also gave me a nice hunting knife made from reject bayonet,
> but it disappeared somewhere over the years.
>
> Norm
How many .50s do you want?
My little Barrett loves the stuff.....
I only have about 200 rounds on hand though. At current pricing it isn't
cheap. 4 bucks a round is good price now!
--
Steve W.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:15:19 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Reins? A driver might get tired of holding them while traveling, or he
>> might want to stop and dismount.
>
>
>Correct! It's a reins holder, these came in many different shapes and
>models.
Oh. And reins from that period are made out of...?
Yes, leather or woven fabric belting. Just a little narrower than
you would use to strap down a load. Gimme a little credit for
recognizing a Camlock when I see it. ;-)
--<< Bruce >>--
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:23:29 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
> 1700 - Could be an early hole punch ?
10-1/2" head? That seems mighty big for a hole punch.
> 1701 - Not a clue. Looks like it could be interesting though!
It's part of a condom assembly line.
--
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Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <[email protected]> on
or about Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:07:53 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>>we get the answer:
>>
>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>Rob
>
>
>50 cal maching gun link.
>
>Shrug..no biggie.
Compared to a 30 cal maching gun link? I'd say it is a biggie.
Compared to a 30 mm Vulcan round link - defiantly "no biggie".
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>we get the answer:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
1699 - .50 cal ammo belt link, positive.
1700 - If there isn't some sort of a spring or friction device at the
rotate joint to keep the head from rotating during normal operation
(but allow a break-away if forced) it won't be that effective as a
hammer or pick.
1701 - My first thought was the Gel Iris and and Dowser control
handles on a Follow Spot. But that's not it...
That's an awful lot of hydraulics. Car Carrier?
1702 - Yeah, a weight-transfer tractor pull sledge, minus the friction
plate and tractor hitch part. Pretty sure.
1703 - Wagon cargo tie-down anchor for agricultural loads on wagons
that are always in the same size crates? Some sort of rope grab
one-way clutch for leather belting, quick release for many trips a
day. The nubbies on the center pivot section would grip the belt as
it goes through.
1704 - it's terne plate sheetmetal - some sort of oil dispenser?
With the tray underneath, they might have been going for storing
something very viscous like honey or tar - light a fire underneath to
warm it up, then pivot and pour once it's liquified.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:22:16 +0800, Polyp wrote:
> "E Z Peaces" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>>> 1702 A guess, based on a crude description of the parts... A tractor (or
>>> possibly animal team) pull sled. It has a weight and a mechanism to move
>>> the weight from one end to the other as it moves, changing the effective
>>> drag.
>>
>> I see a differential. I imagine you would crank down a dragging support
>> under the far end and hook your tractor or team to that end, and the
>> wheels would supply the power to draw the weight forward toward the
>> dragging support.
>>
>> If a pad of a certain material were attached to the dragging support,
>> perhaps on a paved grade it could test the coefficient of friction.
>
> Looks similar to the trailer towed in "mud drags" / "bog racing" where the
> further the thing is dragged the greater the load it presents to the towing
> vehicle. mmm, cant find a pic of a similar one anywhere.
http://images.google.com/images?q=tractor+pull+sled
Hope This Helps!
Rich
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:18:54 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
> Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>>> Rob H. wrote:
>>>> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
>>>> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it,
>>>> I'll be surprised if we get the answer:
>>>>
>>>
>> 1699 It sure looks like a .50-caliber machine gun belt link to me.
>
> That was my first reaction, but note that one loop is smaller than the
> other--it could simply be bent but if it's part of a disintegrating belt it
> seems to me that that would be likely to cause a stoppage.
That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the front,
and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
Cheers!
Rich
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>
>> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
> front,
>> and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>>
>
> Really?
Well, that's what they did with the .50 cals miniguns that they hung under
the F-4 phantoms in Southeast Asia.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:21:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <[email protected]> on
>or about Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:07:53 -0700 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>>>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>>>we get the answer:
>>>
>>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>Rob
>>
>>
>>50 cal maching gun link.
>>
>>Shrug..no biggie.
>
> Compared to a 30 cal maching gun link? I'd say it is a biggie.
>
> Compared to a 30 mm Vulcan round link - defiantly "no biggie".
Compared to a 20 mm link..shrug...no biggie either. <G>
Gunner, who has examples of all..now if he can only remember which
box/bag/bin/cabinet they are in....sigh..stroke moment.....
>
>
>pyotr
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
>we get the answer:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob
50 cal maching gun link.
Shrug..no biggie.
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:18:54 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>That was my first reaction, but note that one loop is smaller than the
>other--it could simply be bent but if it's part of a disintegrating belt it
>seems to me that that would be likely to cause a stoppage.
They are all made that way - at least for ammunition with necked down
cartridges. The small loop fits around the neck of the cartridge. The
large loops fit around the body
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
In article <[email protected]>, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Link from a machine gun ammo belt? If not, then certainly a link from some
kind of chain or belt.
On 2009-08-20, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a number of
> people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be surprised if
> we get the answer:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
1699) A link from a chain of ammunition (.30 cal (7.62mm) or .50 cal)
designed to be fed into a belt-fed machine gun. on firing, the
cartridge is pulled backwards out of the links, the link goes
flying off to the right, the cartridge is chambered, fired, and
follows the link off to the right while the next cartridge is
pulled into position.
I think that it is the larger size, but I don't have any empties
to compare it to.
The bullet end would be pointing down as the photo has it
oriented. There should be more of them not too far away, unless
it was perhaps being fired from an aircraft.
And it was there for some time, as it shows some rusting, after
the plating (cadmium perhaps) went away.
Ammo boxes come filled with these all linked together. I've
never actually seen one firing, but I believe that you can pull
a cartridge from the end of the current chain and link another
to it for longer uninterrupted firing -- except that if you fire
too long, you get the barrel melting down. :-) For all I know,
you might have to change the barrel once per belt of ammo.
1700) This looks to me to be a blacksmithing tool, designed to punch
holes in red-hot metal. You place the point where you want the
hole, and then strike on the other end, which shows mushrooming
from the strikes.
The pivot allows the angle of the handle to be somewhat
independent of the angle of the hole.
It looks to be well-rusted wrought iron, based on the grain
showing.
1701) At a guess these are hydraulic control levers for something
like a "steam shovel" which is seldom steam powered these days.
The groups of two of a given color would be for forward and
reverse operations -- such as pivoting on the base and perhaps
opening and closing the scoop. The three in a group may be for
slow and fast operation of the various joints, depending on what
is being attempted. At a guess, The middle and right might be
forward fast, middle and the left might be reverse fast, and
right and left alone would be forward or reverse slow.
And some of them might be for corner jacks to stabilize the
device when under load.
1702) This looks to me like one of the variable loads used in
"tractor pull" competitions. It is pulled from the end away
from the tires and the small wheel is rotated by friction with
the ground, pulling the heavy concrete and iron weight towards
the front end making it drag more the greater distance it has
been pulled.
1703) looks like a one-way travel restraint for leather -- or
possibly web belt if it was made that early.
1704) It is made from dip-galvanized sheet steel.
The drum rotates on its axis.
There is some kind of scoop or spout to the left which rotates
with it.
Hmm ... could it be an early design of concrete mixer? If so,
the steel is thicker than I thought.
Now to see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2009-08-20, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>>> Rob H. wrote:
>>>> I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
>>>> number of people and most of them don't even have a guess for it,
>>>> I'll be surprised if we get the answer:
>>>>
>>>
>> 1699 It sure looks like a .50-caliber machine gun belt link to me.
>
> That was my first reaction, but note that one loop is smaller than the
> other--it could simply be bent but if it's part of a disintegrating belt it
> seems to me that that would be likely to cause a stoppage.
Nope -- the cartridge has a gentle taper over most of the
length, then a steep taper (shoulder) to a cylindrical portion which
actually holds the bullet. One ring goes around the main body, part
around the neck on one cartridge, and the other large ring goes around
the cartridge just back of the steep taper. Note that the small ring
starts to flare a bit towards the large ring. This is the part in
contact with the shoulder.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:02:43 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>>>> Rich Grise <[email protected]> fired this volley in
>>>>
>>>>> That holds the narrow end of the brass - the bullet goes out the
>>>>> front, and all the brass goes into another box, still linked.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Well, that's what they did with the .50 cals miniguns that they hung
>>> under the F-4 phantoms in Southeast Asia.
>>>
>>> Hope This Helps!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>
>> Rich, I was being just a touch facetious. I spent a long time behind
>> both a single and twin Browing .50 on Swift Boats in RVN.
>>
>> They extract each round from the belt, and chamber it fully. Think
>> about it... where would the link fit inside the chamber?
>>
>> Here's the only vid I could find quickly that shows the rounds being
>> ejected onto the roof of the vehicle.
>>
>> http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=
>> 3809931
>
> FWIW, a Minigun is a very different critter from a Browning.
>
>
But you still have to chamber the round. And there is no reason to reinsert
the round in the carrier. AC-47 was armored on the inside to keep the brass
from making holes in the fuselage.
"Gunner Asch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:21:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <[email protected]> on
>>or about Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:07:53 -0700 did write/type or cause to
>>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:26:33 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I need some help with the first item this week, I've shown it to a
>>>>number of
>>>>people and most of them don't even have a guess for it, I'll be
>>>>surprised if
>>>>we get the answer:
>>>>
>>>>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>50 cal maching gun link.
>>>
>>>Shrug..no biggie.
>>
>> Compared to a 30 cal maching gun link? I'd say it is a biggie.
>>
>> Compared to a 30 mm Vulcan round link - defiantly "no biggie".
>
> Compared to a 20 mm link..shrug...no biggie either. <G>
>
> Gunner, who has examples of all..now if he can only remember which
> box/bag/bin/cabinet they are in....sigh..stroke moment.....
>
I used to work for an engineering company that did machine vision projects.
We have an ammo mfg. in the area that does military ammo. They gave us some
projects for vision inspection of primer booster donuts (don't know what
they are really called) for 25mm cartridges and visual inspecting for nylon?
bands around the bullets for cartridges for the A10 warthog (30 or 35mm,
can't remember). The examples of the A10 cartridges had no primer and a
hole drilled in the lead bullet, I was hoping to get one but they took them
back after leaving them with us for over a year.
When I went to their plant, they gave me a brass cane to keep myself from
building up any static. They told me the blue tipped ammo was not to
dangerous, practice rounds, but the other colored tips, they said, if I set
one off I'd never know it.
RogerN