Enjoy
Lew
-----------------------------------------------------------
Keoki wants to have a luau.
He needs a pig for the luau, so he goes to a pig farm and asks the
farmer
for a twenty-pound pig.
The farmer goes into the pen and searches around for awhile.
Finally, he picks up a pig, puts its tail in his mouth and begins to
swing
the the pig around for a few seconds.
He puts the pig down and says, "Nope, not quite 20 pounds."
He picks up another, puts the tail in his mouth, swings the pig around
awhile and declares "This one's 20 pounds!"
Keoki says, "You can't weigh a pig like that!"
"Sure I can," says the farmer, "Watch this."
So he calls his son over and asks him to weigh the pig.
The boy comes over, picks up the pig , puts its tail in his mouth, and
swings it around for awhile.
Soon he puts the pig down and says, "This one weighs 20 pounds."
Keoki still doesn't believe they can weigh a pig this way, so the
farmer
tells his son to get his mother so she can weigh the pig.
After five minutes the boy returns alone.
"She can't come out just yet," he says. "She's weighing the mailman."
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> ===================================
> I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
> Mint. Loaded.
> I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
> brought tears to my eyes.
> The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
> 'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
> He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
> This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
> A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
> Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
> out of leather.
> I really liked that car.
> --------------------------------------------
> Lad, you need to learn to approach up wind.
>
> A couple of Christmas tree perfume thingies hanging from the rear
> view mirror and you're in business and $5K ahead.
>
> You've got to learn to be more creative laddie.
>
> You're spending to much time with that CNC.
>
> Lew
==================================
I forgot to mention, don't forget the pair of hairy white dice also
hanging on the rear view mirror.
Lew
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
----------------------------------------------
Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare
apples with oranges.
Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
> ----------------------------------------------
> Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apples
> with oranges.
>
> Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>
I just can't help myself...
<blinking eyes slowly>
I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
<blinking eyes slowly>
"Robatoy" wrote:
===================================
I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
Mint. Loaded.
I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
brought tears to my eyes.
The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
out of leather.
I really liked that car.
--------------------------------------------
Lad, you need to learn to approach up wind.
A couple of Christmas tree perfume thingies hanging from the rear view
mirror and you're in business and $5K ahead.
You've got to learn to be more creative laddie.
You're spending to much time with that CNC.
Lew
Lew
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:30:38 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Dec 26, 6:15 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>>
>> > "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>> >> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>> >> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>> > ----------------------------------------------
>> > Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apples
>> > with oranges.
>>
>> > Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>>
>> I just can't help myself...
>>
>> <blinking eyes slowly>
>>
>> I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
>>
>> <blinking eyes slowly>
>
>noooooooooooooooo... resins are dried grapes, silly...
Ooh, ooh! Bad toy. Go to your room.
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the more time you'll have to catch up!
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:28:29 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Dec 23, 9:18 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Enjoy
>> The boy comes over, picks up the pig , puts its tail in his mouth, and
>> swings it around for awhile.
--snip--
>
>Ohhhhkayyy...
The epoxy fumes have finally taken their toll on poor Lew, eh?
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REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
Larry Jaques" wrote:
> I found it interesting that plain old vinegar removes epoxy resin
> from
> things.
It does a half assed job.
> I'm really surprised that polyester resin has any use in
> boatbuilding
> or surfboards, since both critically need the adhesive and
> watertight
> properties.
"Water tight" is a relative term.
You don't use polyester to build water tight storage vessels; however,
surf boards and boats are not storage vessels either.
> I haven't tried any of the thin epoxies which are used to soak wood
> and harden it in rot areas on older homes, but I may sometime soon.
> (Luckily, it'll be on someone else's home. I replaced my rotted
> fascia and installed new gutters shortly after moving in. ;) It's
> all
> 'real' epoxy, too.
The wooden boat guys are light years ahead of you.
"Git-Rot" is a thinned epoxy you supposedly inject into rotten wood on
a boat tom stabilize it.
Only problem after cost is about all it does is add weight but not
restore strength.
Sooner or later, you replace the rotted wood.
Lew
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:15:28 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apples
>> with oranges.
>>
>> Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>>
>I just can't help myself...
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
>
>I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
You've never heard of applesauce?
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:24 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques" wrote:
>> So, enlighten us (am I alone?) on the differences, please, sir.
>-----------------------------------
>
>A chemist I'm NOT and almost got tossed out of my chemical engineering
>course, but will attempt to answer.
>
>Polyester resin requires a catalyst, usually from the peroxide family
>to activate the process which is highly temperature sensitive.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Epoxy or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoxy
also mentioned another nasty catalyst, but I can't find it today.
I found it interesting that plain old vinegar removes epoxy resin from
things.
>A catalyst, by definition, does not affect the chemical properties of
>the cured resin, but only assists in promoting the polymerization
>process.
>
>The cured polyester is not water tight, is not an adhesive and is
>heavy and of relatively low strength.
>
>One of the reasons polyester boats are hauled from time to time.
>
>They get a new "bottom" and are allowed to dry out in the process.
I'm really surprised that polyester resin has any use in boatbuilding
or surfboards, since both critically need the adhesive and watertight
properties.
>Epoxy, OTOH, is an adhesive, is a polyamide based product consisting
>of a base resin and a "hardener".
>
>The resin and the hardener MUST be mixed together in an exact ratio
>for the polymerization process to take place.
>
>While temperature affects epoxy viscosity and the speed of the
>reaction, it does NOT affect the resin/hardener ratio.
>
>The cured epoxy is water tight, is light weight and relatively high
>strength.
>
>When used with fiberglass, polyester does not easily penetrate the
>glass strands thus requiring a layer of mat between the glass fibers
>to soak up the resin (It's not an adhesive).
>
>About the best ratio you can obtain is 35% glass, 65% resin by weight.
>
>OTOH, epoxy easily penetrates the glass fibers, thus a layer of mat is
>NOT required when laminating.
>
>A ratio of 50% glass, 50% resin by weight is easily obtainable.
>
>Epoxy and knitted glass provide the best commercial laminate
>available.
>
>The next step up is to use carbon fiber which has been on allocation
>for the last 5 years.
>
>Take a look at hockey sticks and golf club shafts if your curious
>where all the carbon goes.
>
>As far as the "Bondo" that is sold to body shops for auto repair, it
>is the bottom of the bucket.
No kidding.
>Polyester resin thickened with talc which while allowing a feathered
>edge will not bond to the metal which is why, even with holes poked
>thru the metal to give the Bondo patch something to hold on to, the
>patch often falls of the vehicle after a few months/years.
I've helped people NOT buy cars by removing the inner door panel or
fender liners to show them the bondo "hair" underneath. It does
require lots of holes to stick to the metal. <g>
>While not the high tech answer, hopefully you will find the info
>useful.
Thanks, Lew. You filled in lots of holes from the wiki on it and
added valuable data.
I haven't tried any of the thin epoxies which are used to soak wood
and harden it in rot areas on older homes, but I may sometime soon.
(Luckily, it'll be on someone else's home. I replaced my rotted
fascia and installed new gutters shortly after moving in. ;) It's all
'real' epoxy, too.
Oh, a kayak builder tested half a dozen epoxies and posted the results
if anyone's interested. http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/Epoxtest.htm
--
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that money can buy." --Tom Clancy
On Dec 26, 6:15=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>
> > "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> >> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! =A0Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
> >> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apple=
s
> > with oranges.
>
> > Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>
> I just can't help myself...
>
> <blinking eyes slowly>
>
> I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
>
> <blinking eyes slowly>
noooooooooooooooo... resins are dried grapes, silly...
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:58:18 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Dec 25, 11:45 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>>wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
>>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>>
>>> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>>
>>> >> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>>>
>>> >> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>>>
>>> >> Better? ;)
>>>
>>> >There is NO ODER either.
>>>
>>> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
>>
>>I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
>>Mint. Loaded.
>>I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
>>brought tears to my eyes.
>>The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
>>'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
>>He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
>>This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
>>A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
>>Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
>>out of leather.
>>I really liked that car.
>>
>>His nose was toast.
>
> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener. Or are
> we thinking different types of epoxy here? I recall the more expensive
> types of epoxy resin having a distinct (but less pronounced) odor,
> too.
Polyester and epoxy are two different things. Polyester has a more
pronounced stink than epoxy but both have a distinct odor.
On Dec 23, 9:18=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Keoki wants to have a luau.
>
> He needs a pig for the luau, so he goes to a pig farm and asks the
> farmer
>
> for a twenty-pound pig.
>
> The farmer goes into the pen and searches around for awhile.
>
> Finally, he picks up a pig, puts its tail in his mouth and begins to
> swing
>
> the the pig around for a few seconds.
>
> He puts the pig down and says, "Nope, not quite 20 pounds."
>
> He picks up another, puts the tail in his mouth, swings the pig around
>
> awhile and declares "This one's 20 pounds!"
>
> Keoki says, "You can't weigh a pig like that!"
>
> "Sure I can," says the farmer, "Watch this."
>
> So he calls his son over and asks him to weigh the pig.
>
> The boy comes over, picks up the pig , puts its tail in his mouth, and
> swings it around for awhile.
>
> Soon he puts the pig down and says, "This one weighs 20 pounds."
>
> Keoki still doesn't believe they can weigh a pig this way, so the
> farmer
> tells his son to get his mother so she can weigh the pig.
>
> After five minutes the boy returns alone.
>
> "She can't come out just yet," he says. =A0"She's weighing the mailman."
Ohhhhkayyy...
Larry Jaques" wrote:
> So, enlighten us (am I alone?) on the differences, please, sir.
-----------------------------------
A chemist I'm NOT and almost got tossed out of my chemical engineering
course, but will attempt to answer.
Polyester resin requires a catalyst, usually from the peroxide family
to activate the process which is highly temperature sensitive.
A catalyst, by definition, does not affect the chemical properties of
the cured resin, but only assists in promoting the polymerization
process.
The cured polyester is not water tight, is not an adhesive and is
heavy and of relatively low strength.
One of the reasons polyester boats are hauled from time to time.
They get a new "bottom" and are allowed to dry out in the process.
Epoxy, OTOH, is an adhesive, is a polyamide based product consisting
of a base resin and a "hardener".
The resin and the hardener MUST be mixed together in an exact ratio
for the polymerization process to take place.
While temperature affects epoxy viscosity and the speed of the
reaction, it does NOT affect the resin/hardener ratio.
The cured epoxy is water tight, is light weight and relatively high
strength.
When used with fiberglass, polyester does not easily penetrate the
glass strands thus requiring a layer of mat between the glass fibers
to soak up the resin (It's not an adhesive).
About the best ratio you can obtain is 35% glass, 65% resin by weight.
OTOH, epoxy easily penetrates the glass fibers, thus a layer of mat is
NOT required when laminating.
A ratio of 50% glass, 50% resin by weight is easily obtainable.
Epoxy and knitted glass provide the best commercial laminate
available.
The next step up is to use carbon fiber which has been on allocation
for the last 5 years.
Take a look at hockey sticks and golf club shafts if your curious
where all the carbon goes.
As far as the "Bondo" that is sold to body shops for auto repair, it
is the bottom of the bucket.
Polyester resin thickened with talc which while allowing a feathered
edge will not bond to the metal which is why, even with holes poked
thru the metal to give the Bondo patch something to hold on to, the
patch often falls of the vehicle after a few months/years.
While not the high tech answer, hopefully you will find the info
useful.
Lew
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:23:13 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>----------------------------------------------
>Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare
>apples with oranges.
>
>Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
So, enlighten us (am I alone?) on the differences, please, sir.
--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Polyester resin thickened with talc which while allowing a feathered edge
> will not bond to the metal which is why, even with holes poked thru the
> metal to give the Bondo patch something to hold on to, the patch often
> falls of the vehicle after a few months/years.
>
Sounded good up to this point Lew. I can't speak to the chemical properties
of any of these items, because I ran the other way from my chemical
engineering course (knowing full well they would have tossed me...), but the
adhesion of the plastics is much better than described above. Adheres well
to metal and requires no holes for a bite. As long as it's not applied 1/4"
thick, and to clean surfaces, it adheres well for many years - a lifetime
even.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:37:04 -0800, the infamous "CW"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:58:18 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>On Dec 25, 11:45 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
>>>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>>>
>>>> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>>>>
>>>> >> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>>>>
>>>> >> Better? ;)
>>>>
>>>> >There is NO ODER either.
>>>>
>>>> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
>>>
>>>I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
>>>Mint. Loaded.
>>>I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
>>>brought tears to my eyes.
>>>The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
>>>'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
>>>He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
>>>This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
>>>A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
>>>Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
>>>out of leather.
>>>I really liked that car.
>>>
>>>His nose was toast.
>>
>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener. Or are
>> we thinking different types of epoxy here? I recall the more expensive
>> types of epoxy resin having a distinct (but less pronounced) odor,
>> too.
>
>
>Polyester and epoxy are two different things. Polyester has a more
>pronounced stink than epoxy but both have a distinct odor.
And bondo is polyester + styrene, and has a lovely yet terrible odor.
--
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the more time you'll have to catch up!
On Dec 26, 10:44=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:37:04 -0800, the infamous "CW"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:58:18 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
> >> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >>>On Dec 25, 11:45 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> >>>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >>>> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> >>>> >> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>
> >>>> >> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>
> >>>> >> Better? ;)
>
> >>>> >There is NO ODER either.
>
> >>>> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
>
> >>>I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
> >>>Mint. Loaded.
> >>>I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
> >>>brought tears to my eyes.
> >>>The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
> >>>'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
> >>>He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
> >>>This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
> >>>A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
> >>>Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
> >>>out of leather.
> >>>I really liked that car.
>
> >>>His nose was toast.
>
> >> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! =A0Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
> >> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener. =A0Or a=
re
> >> we thinking different types of epoxy here? I recall the more expensive
> >> types of epoxy resin having a distinct (but less pronounced) odor,
> >> too.
>
> >Polyester and epoxy are two different things. Polyester has a more
> >pronounced stink than epoxy but both have a distinct odor.
>
> And bondo is polyester + styrene, and has a lovely yet terrible odor.
>
> --
> REMEMBER: =A0The sooner you fall behind,
> the more time you'll have to catch up!
Many products are deliberately 'aromatically' odourized.
On 12/26/2009 9:38 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:23:13 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare
>> apples with oranges.
>>
>> Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>
> So, enlighten us (am I alone?) on the differences, please, sir.
Lew is right, though I couldn't give you any scientific explanation of their
differences. I've used them both many times (since I first started piddling
with fiberglass back in the seventies) and epoxy is definitely the superior
substance. At the risk of starting a whole other tangent to this thread (!)
one might say that epoxy is to polyester as Lee Valley is to Harbor Freight...
--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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On Dec 25, 11:45=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> >> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>
> >> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>
> >> Better? =A0;)
>
> >There is NO ODER either.
>
> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud. =A0
I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
Mint. Loaded.
I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
brought tears to my eyes.
The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
out of leather.
I really liked that car.
His nose was toast.
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:58:18 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Dec 25, 11:45 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>> >> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>>
>> >> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>>
>> >> Better? ;)
>>
>> >There is NO ODER either.
>>
>> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
>
>I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
>Mint. Loaded.
>I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
>brought tears to my eyes.
>The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
>'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
>He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
>This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
>A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
>Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
>out of leather.
>I really liked that car.
>
>His nose was toast.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener. Or are
we thinking different types of epoxy here? I recall the more expensive
types of epoxy resin having a distinct (but less pronounced) odor,
too.
--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
Larry Jaques" wrote:
> They may not contain VOCs, but they smell. Is absolutely _all_
> sensitivity to the hardeners from physical touch, or is some through
> the lungs? Cites, please.
Developing contact dermatitus is one thing, but hardeners do not cause
lung problems.
You definitely want to wear protective clothing when working with
epoxy.
> So is sanding of any material, which requires both protective gear
> and
> ventilation.
Sanding almost anything requires protective breathing apparatus but
VOCs are not involved with laminating epoxies.
Lew
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:39:09 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> Which gloves are resistant to acetone and epoxy? Nitrile? Thick
>> latex?
>
> Surgical latex works for me.
>
>Also "canner's" gloves (cuff above the wrist), about $7-$8/doz, work
>for me.(Safety Clothing supply house)
>
>> Rule 3:
>> Ventilate the area and wear a respirator (with organic vapor carts?)
>
>NOT Req'd.
>
>Laminating epoxies do NOT contain VOCs.
They may not contain VOCs, but they smell. Is absolutely _all_
sensitivity to the hardeners from physical touch, or is some through
the lungs? Cites, please.
>OTOH, catalyzed resins that are sprayed are a whole different ball
>game.
So is sanding of any material, which requires both protective gear and
ventilation.
--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy
In article <[email protected]>, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apples
>> with oranges.
>>
>> Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>>
>I just can't help myself...
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
>
>I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
I thought resins were made from grapes.... ?
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:20:24 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>
>> The epoxy fumes have finally taken their toll on poor Lew, eh?
>
>A common misconception.
>
>There are NO VOCs in epoxy laminating resins.
REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
"The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
Better? ;)
--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:23:19 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> I found it interesting that plain old vinegar removes epoxy resin
>> from
>> things.
>
>It does a half assed job.
OK, acetone it is.
>> I haven't tried any of the thin epoxies which are used to soak wood
>> and harden it in rot areas on older homes, but I may sometime soon.
>> (Luckily, it'll be on someone else's home. I replaced my rotted
>> fascia and installed new gutters shortly after moving in. ;) It's
>> all
>> 'real' epoxy, too.
>
>The wooden boat guys are light years ahead of you.
>
>"Git-Rot" is a thinned epoxy you supposedly inject into rotten wood on
>a boat tom stabilize it.
>
>Only problem after cost is about all it does is add weight but not
>restore strength.
Sorta like pounding a cork into a hole, eh? It stops the leak but
doesn't add anything to the integrity of the vessel.
>Sooner or later, you replace the rotted wood.
Ayup. "Pay me now or pay me again later. It's up to you."
--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy
In article <[email protected]>,
Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" shared this nugget with us
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>
>>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Yabbut, -your- nose is nigh onta toast if you
>>> can't smell the chemical odor of polyester resin and hardener.
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Trying to compare polyester with epoxy is about trying to compare apples
>> with oranges.
>>
>> Both are resins but after that all bets are off.
>>
>I just can't help myself...
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
>
>I didn't know that apples and oranges were resins.
>
><blinking eyes slowly>
Silly me, I thought they only came from dried grapes. their Raison d'tre, as
it were.
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>>
>> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>>
>> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>>
>> Better? ;)
>
>There is NO ODER either.
That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
> Which gloves are resistant to acetone and epoxy? Nitrile? Thick
> latex?
Surgical latex works for me.
Also "canner's" gloves (cuff above the wrist), about $7-$8/doz, work
for me.(Safety Clothing supply house)
> Rule 3:
> Ventilate the area and wear a respirator (with organic vapor carts?)
NOT Req'd.
Laminating epoxies do NOT contain VOCs.
OTOH, catalyzed resins that are sprayed are a whole different ball
game.
Lew
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:31:39 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>> OK, acetone it is.
>
>Rule 1:
>Wear disposable gloves.
>
>Rule 2:
>Refer to Rule 1.
Which gloves are resistant to acetone and epoxy? Nitrile? Thick
latex?
Rule 3:
Ventilate the area and wear a respirator (with organic vapor carts?)
>Actually hand cleaners like G-JO followed by soaps like Lava and water
>get the job done pretty well.
>
>I learned to wear Tyvek suits and gloves to address the problem.
Yeah, developing a sensitivity to epoxy hardener is definitely -not-
an experience I wish to have in this lifetime.
--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy
On Dec 28, 7:50=A0am, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:31:39 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
> >> OK, acetone it is.
>
> >Rule 1:
> >Wear disposable gloves.
>
> >Rule 2:
> >Refer to Rule 1.
>
> Which gloves are resistant to acetone and epoxy? =A0Nitrile? =A0Thick
> latex?
>
> Rule 3:
> Ventilate the area and wear a respirator (with organic vapor carts?)
>
> >Actually hand cleaners like G-JO followed by soaps like Lava and water
> >get the job done pretty well.
>
> >I learned to wear Tyvek suits and gloves to address the problem.
>
> Yeah, developing a sensitivity to epoxy hardener is definitely -not-
> an experience I wish to have in this lifetime.
>
> --
> "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome thin=
gs
> that money can buy." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Tom Clancy
I'm rather fond of the polyisocyanate hardeners found in 3-part
acrylic spray coatings. The transdermal nastiness is second to none.
Touch it with a finger, and a toe nail falls off.... (okay.. I
embellish..)
Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 25, 11:45 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:56 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>>> REWRITTEN jes fer yew, lew:
>>>> "The epoxy odor has finally taken its toll on poor Lew, eh?"
>>>> Better? ;)
>>> There is NO ODER either.
>> That's 'cuz the _fumes_ burnt out your smell buds, bud.
>
> I went to take a look at a used Subaru Legacy wagon. A low miler.
> Mint. Loaded.
> I opened the door and was taken aback by a waft of pig shit that
> brought tears to my eyes.
> The owner (yup, pig farmer) sauntered over to me wafting the same
> 'scent' and wondered why I suddenly lost interest.
> He had NO idea he stank. The car stank.
> This dude musta rolled in the shit to stink that bad.
> A solid $ 5K below wholesale market value. I had to walk away.
> Leather seats... saturated in pigshit. Nothing gets that kinda stink
> out of leather.
> I really liked that car.
>
> His nose was toast.
I can be fixed thusly: Diffuse a pound of hydrogen sulfide in the car,
liberally coating the seats. Close it up and let it sit for a few days
in a warm place. Air it out well. The shit stink will be all be
unnoticeable. Honest.
mahalo,
jo4hn (purveyor of truth)