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Electric Comet

30/01/2017 10:51 AM

table saw sleds


seems that everyone uses a sled on their ts

well at least in the videos i have watched

i like the idea and so i am making one or maybe two


if you have a sled do you use the same one for dados or do you have
two sleds

small shop and do not want two sleds

thinking of devising an insert so that i have one sled with two inserts

anyone done this

what else is there to know about making the sled

steel versus wood runners

like the idea of steel runners but wood may work fine too
metalsupermarkets.com had some cold rolled that would work


my ts has t slots but the sled runners probably should not lock into
the slots as they might get caught up









This topic has 17 replies

Mm

Markem

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

02/02/2017 10:13 AM

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:20:01 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:04:35 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 13:04:56 -0800, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>>> did you go with steel or wood runners
>>>
>>> i have some oily dark hardwood that was given to me and it may be my
>>> runner material
>>
>>I don't know what he used, but I've used Kreg's and Incra's metal runners
>>with success. But the ones I like the best are the plastic ones. Do a
>>search for "UHMW runners".
>
>Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty
>easy to work.

Just requires special effort to glue it, or does Testors work?

ww

whit3rd

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

02/02/2017 2:29 PM

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:13:11 AM UTC-8, Markem wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:20:01 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

> >Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty
> >easy to work.

> Just requires special effort to glue it, or does Testors work?

Rivets. Pop rivets. Screws will cause stretching...

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

31/01/2017 5:22 PM

On 1/31/2017 4:21 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> "Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> seems that everyone uses a sled on their ts
>>
>> well at least in the videos i have watched
>>
>> i like the idea and so i am making one or maybe two
>>
>>
>> if you have a sled do you use the same one for dados or do you have
>> two sleds

I Never use a sled with when cutting a dado. That said IIRC you bought
a 6" dado set. How deep do you think you can cut if you use a sled?

I do have a left and right Dubby sled and have used them extensively
over the past 18 years.

>>
>> small shop and do not want two sleds

A left and right side sled is handy if you are cutting asymmetrical
moldings at an angle.


>>
>> thinking of devising an insert so that i have one sled with two inserts
>>
>> anyone done this
>>
>> what else is there to know about making the sled
>>
>> steel versus wood runners
>>
>> like the idea of steel runners but wood may work fine too
>> metalsupermarkets.com had some cold rolled that would work
>>
>>
>> my ts has t slots but the sled runners probably should not lock into
>> the slots as they might get caught up
>
> I've had my TS for better than a decade and I don't have a sled on it. That
> being said, probably the best place to see different options and determine
> what you want or maybe more than one is YouTube. Lots of great videos and
> maybe a scary one or two.
>
>
>
>

DD

"Dr. Deb"

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 8:41 AM

On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet wrote:
> seems that everyone uses a sled on their ts
>
> well at least in the videos i have watched
>
> i like the idea and so i am making one or maybe two
>
>
> if you have a sled do you use the same one for dados or do you have
> two sleds
>
> small shop and do not want two sleds
>
> thinking of devising an insert so that i have one sled with two inserts
>
> anyone done this
>
> what else is there to know about making the sled
>
> steel versus wood runners
>
> like the idea of steel runners but wood may work fine too
> metalsupermarkets.com had some cold rolled that would work
>
>
> my ts has t slots but the sled runners probably should not lock into
> the slots as they might get caught up

I have made about three or four. The last one is the best. The one previous went with the TS it was fitted to, when I sold the TS. The absolute best video on how to square the sled to the blade is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbG-n--LFgQ

As to your other question, I only use mine for crosscuts. I have two Incra miter jigs that I use for all others (the one I got on Ebay had been dropped and is only accurate on 45degree cuts. The other one [their 1000SE] is used for all other angle cuts.

k

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 9:20 PM

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:04:35 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 13:04:56 -0800, Electric Comet wrote:
>
>> did you go with steel or wood runners
>>
>> i have some oily dark hardwood that was given to me and it may be my
>> runner material
>
>I don't know what he used, but I've used Kreg's and Incra's metal runners
>with success. But the ones I like the best are the plastic ones. Do a
>search for "UHMW runners".

Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty
easy to work.

BL

"Bob La Londe"

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

31/01/2017 3:21 PM

"Electric Comet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> seems that everyone uses a sled on their ts
>
> well at least in the videos i have watched
>
> i like the idea and so i am making one or maybe two
>
>
> if you have a sled do you use the same one for dados or do you have
> two sleds
>
> small shop and do not want two sleds
>
> thinking of devising an insert so that i have one sled with two inserts
>
> anyone done this
>
> what else is there to know about making the sled
>
> steel versus wood runners
>
> like the idea of steel runners but wood may work fine too
> metalsupermarkets.com had some cold rolled that would work
>
>
> my ts has t slots but the sled runners probably should not lock into
> the slots as they might get caught up

I've had my TS for better than a decade and I don't have a sled on it. That
being said, probably the best place to see different options and determine
what you want or maybe more than one is YouTube. Lots of great videos and
maybe a scary one or two.



EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

31/01/2017 3:29 PM

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:21:23 -0700
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've had my TS for better than a decade and I don't have a sled on
> it. That being said, probably the best place to see different
> options and determine what you want or maybe more than one is
> YouTube. Lots of great videos and maybe a scary one or two.

yes the tube has some good ones and some bad ones






EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 1:04 PM

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 08:41:21 -0800 (PST)
"Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have made about three or four. The last one is the best. The one
> previous went with the TS it was fitted to, when I sold the TS. The
> absolute best video on how to square the sled to the blade is this
> one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbG-n--LFgQ


yes watched that one and now my feeler gauges have found a new life
in the wood shop

like his videos and his jokes

although worrying about a thousandth is a bit much because temps and
humidity can work for and against you

aiming for perfection is ok just as long as he does not insist on
it and he does not


did you go with steel or wood runners

i have some oily dark hardwood that was given to me and it may be
my runner material







LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 10:04 PM

On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 13:04:56 -0800, Electric Comet wrote:

> did you go with steel or wood runners
>
> i have some oily dark hardwood that was given to me and it may be my
> runner material

I don't know what he used, but I've used Kreg's and Incra's metal runners
with success. But the ones I like the best are the plastic ones. Do a
search for "UHMW runners".



--
What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie?

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 3:02 PM

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:04:35 +0000 (UTC)
Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't know what he used, but I've used Kreg's and Incra's metal
> runners with success. But the ones I like the best are the plastic
> ones. Do a search for "UHMW runners".

good idea

my fence is faced with that







LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

02/02/2017 5:08 PM

On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:13:10 -0600, Markem wrote:

>>Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty easy
>>to work.
>
> Just requires special effort to glue it, or does Testors work?

Never tried. It holds screws. I put a screw in about every 5-6 inches
to hold my sleds to the runners.


--
What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie?

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

02/02/2017 12:13 PM

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:00:18 -0500
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've been buying large plastic cutting boards at Wally World and
> using them for various projects... easily available and inexpensive.

had not thought of that but a good idea

> I hadn't considered using them for runners on my sled but that is an
> appealing idea as the fit of the wooden ones changes with the
> humidity.

yes and maybe better than cold rolled steel just for the cost and
the facts

no rust
slippery forever
decent wear







LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

03/02/2017 12:32 AM

On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 14:29:21 -0800, whit3rd wrote:

>> Just requires special effort to glue it, or does Testors work?
>
> Rivets. Pop rivets. Screws will cause stretching...

I predrill, which minimizes any stretching/widening. A couple of passes
thru the table slot usually removes any that's left. If not, a pass with
a block plane or even sandpaper will. UHMW is "soft*.


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What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie?

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

02/02/2017 7:07 PM

On 2/2/17 4:29 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:13:11 AM UTC-8, Markem wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:20:01 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty
>>> easy to work.
>
>> Just requires special effort to glue it, or does Testors work?
>
> Rivets. Pop rivets. Screws will cause stretching...
>

That's not really a bad thing.
On mine, I put slits in the runner on the fore and aft ends. I
installed flat-head screws through those slits which will act to expand
the width of the runner. It's a great way to fine tune the runners in
the slot.


--

-MIKE-

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Bb

Brewster

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

04/02/2017 8:17 AM

On 2/1/17 9:41 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:

>
> I have made about three or four. The last one is the best. The one previous went with the TS

it was fitted to, when I sold the TS. The absolute best video on how to
square the sled to the blade is this one:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbG-n--LFgQ
>
> As to your other question, I only use mine for crosscuts.

I have two Incra miter jigs that I use for all others (the one I got on
Ebay

had been dropped and is only accurate on 45degree cuts.

The other one [their 1000SE] is used for all other angle cuts.
>


The William Ng technique is excellent. Get the fence square with this
method, lock it down, and never worry about it again (until you
accidentally cut the fence in two).

I have the 1000 Incra, great product, but the miter bar really sucks for
my overwidth unisaw slots. I replaced the wear-prone nylon expanding
discs with a bunch of ball tipped set screws. Next time I'm just going
to get a steel bar machined to fit.


Having a dedicated jig for 45s that is dialed in is a real timesaver if
you do frequent miters.

-BR

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

04/02/2017 8:51 AM

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 08:17:01 -0700
Brewster <[email protected]> wrote:

> The William Ng technique is excellent. Get the fence square with this

it is a good idea but not his originally fwiw

maybe better name for the technique is error amplification

> method, lock it down, and never worry about it again (until you
> accidentally cut the fence in two).

have to make sure the miter fence is higher than the max blade height

some even place an aluminum brace across the top or plastic

> Having a dedicated jig for 45s that is dialed in is a real timesaver
> if you do frequent miters.

this makes sense and i see this in a lot of the sled vids

although some have a complete sled just for 45s






JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Electric Comet on 30/01/2017 10:51 AM

01/02/2017 10:00 PM

wrote in message news:[email protected]...

On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:04:35 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>I don't know what he used, but I've used Kreg's and Incra's metal runners
>>with success. But the ones I like the best are the plastic ones. Do a
>>search for "UHMW runners".

>Peachtree sells piles of UHMW in all shapes an sizes. It's pretty
>easy to work.

I've been buying large plastic cutting boards at Wally World and using them
for various projects... easily available and inexpensive.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mainstays-15X20-Cutting-Board/13397990
Approximately 11/32" x 15" x 20"

I hadn't considered using them for runners on my sled but that is an
appealing idea as the fit of the wooden ones changes with the humidity.


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