<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040901/wl_canada_a
fp/us_canada_lumber&e=5>
Excerpt:
"The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) review panel rejected
claims by Washington that its lumber producers had suffered damage as a
result of Canadian imports.
The panel ordered the US International Trade Commission to reverse its
determination on the lumber imports, which resulted in the laying of 19
percent countervailing duties on Canadian wood, within 10 days."
In article <[email protected]>, Bob Schmall
<[email protected]> wrote:
> In fact,
> shipping a few conservationists to Canada would be a benefit for its
> industry and a loss to ours.
We've got enough up here, tenjewberrymush.
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:41:21 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "Dave Hinz" wrote in message
> >> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> >> >> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
> >> >
> >> > Global warming, eh?
> >>
> >> Once again, a non-scientist confuses "weather" with "climate".
> >
> > And once again, someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the actual
facts
> > jumps to an erroneous conclusion.
>
> Right, because one particular cold summer in one particular region has
> anything at all to do with global warming.
It was a JOKE, Dave ... you missed that too.
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"f/256" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rudy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:vKcZc.290948$gE.150665@pd7tw3no...
>>
>> Two things,
>> 1. the news reports here indicate its a 27% duty and
>> 2. The US can appeal, dragging this out (it seems) interminally..
>>
>> Its already been going on 2 years..it seems they'll just keep it up til
> they
>> get the result they want,
>
> Cooperation with the ICBM may do it for bush, I think!
Huh?
Amen!
Schroeder
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> C'mon, as a cheesehead you should know better. You _can't_ grow seedling
> conifers under mature, and if you thin them enough to get light to the
> ground, the big ones blow over. That's why they're clear-cut. Fire used
> to take care of the problem by clearing areas - to the ground - which it
> sweetened with ashes enough for new growth. Anyone with sense can see
that
> the only difference between that and clear-cutting, then spreading lime to
> sweeten the acid soil, is that you get to use the wood.
>
> I'm next door, and we're harvesting at touch less than half the rate of
> growth, and then only because of private landowners. The state and
national
> forests are harvested at around a third and slowing, because of agitation
> for roadless initiatives and wilderness set-asides, not to mention my
> favorite, the "wild and scenic rivers " initiative which would have locked
> up a bit over twenty on my place. Public hearings were held 400 miles
away,
> by a group of government officials and environmentalists. Landowners were
> allowed up to three minutes to address this unbiased group, even though
they
> were the ones who would bear the taking. Fortunately the initiator was
> defeated in his downstate district, though not over a measure which was
> popular among all those who would not have been affected.
>
> Oh yes, the construction lumber mill up the road, which sawed softwood
equal
> in every way to the Canadian, went under recently because it couldn't get
a
> guaranteed supply.
>
> "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A common debating tactic with both conservatives and liberals in the
> United
> > States is to assume that the most radical positions of the opposite side
> > represent the views of every opponent. For example, "those loony tree
> > huggers want to ban all logging." In fact the vast majority of
> > conservationists call for RESPONSIBLE cutting and reforestration rather
> than
> > the clearcutting that was the industry norm a few years ago. Even the
> > lumber industry has bought into that for its own long-term good. In
fact,
> > shipping a few conservationists to Canada would be a benefit for its
> > industry and a loss to ours.
> >
>
>
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:23:25 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds for
> next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
> unaltered, tomato?
Burpee has an heirloom line of seeds that I've been quite happy with
over the years. Good germination, great catalog.
Dave Hinz
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
>> Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
>> wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
>> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>
> Global warming, eh?
Once again, a non-scientist confuses "weather" with "climate".
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:41:21 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" wrote in message
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>> >> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>> >
>> > Global warming, eh?
>>
>> Once again, a non-scientist confuses "weather" with "climate".
>
> And once again, someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the actual facts
> jumps to an erroneous conclusion.
Right, because one particular cold summer in one particular region has
anything at all to do with global warming.
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:13:13 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" wrote in message
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:41:21 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > "Dave Hinz" wrote in message
>> >> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>> >> >> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>> >> >
>> >> > Global warming, eh?
>> >>
>> >> Once again, a non-scientist confuses "weather" with "climate".
>> >
>> > And once again, someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the actual
> facts
>> > jumps to an erroneous conclusion.
>>
>> Right, because one particular cold summer in one particular region has
>> anything at all to do with global warming.
>
> It was a JOKE, Dave ... you missed that too.
Ah, you see, it's so hard to tell when someone is only _acting like_
they don't understand science and saying "It was cold today therefore
global warming is false", and when they're actually saying that and
meaning it. I've had that conversation with more than a few people
who don't understand short-term vs. long-term trends, and I thought you
were one of them. I'm sorry; I didn't see that you were joking.
Dave Hinz
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:40:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Dave Hinz" wrote in message
>
>> I've had that conversation with more than a few people
>> who don't understand short-term vs. long-term trends, and I thought you
>> were one of them. I'm sorry; I didn't see that you were joking.
>
> No problem ... while I thought "eh?" was a dead giveaway, I apologize for
> not being more emphatic considering the medium.
Text has that problem, yes. And I see that particular statement made so
often that they can't _all_ be joking, or can they?
Tell you what. US will export some environmentalists, if you'll take 'em
duty free, and nobody will harvest wood within ten years....
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:310820042037002198%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040901/wl_canada_a
> fp/us_canada_lumber&e=5>
>
> Excerpt:
>
> "The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) review panel rejected
> claims by Washington that its lumber producers had suffered damage as a
> result of Canadian imports.
>
> The panel ordered the US International Trade Commission to reverse its
> determination on the lumber imports, which resulted in the laying of 19
> percent countervailing duties on Canadian wood, within 10 days."
C'mon, as a cheesehead you should know better. You _can't_ grow seedling
conifers under mature, and if you thin them enough to get light to the
ground, the big ones blow over. That's why they're clear-cut. Fire used
to take care of the problem by clearing areas - to the ground - which it
sweetened with ashes enough for new growth. Anyone with sense can see that
the only difference between that and clear-cutting, then spreading lime to
sweeten the acid soil, is that you get to use the wood.
I'm next door, and we're harvesting at touch less than half the rate of
growth, and then only because of private landowners. The state and national
forests are harvested at around a third and slowing, because of agitation
for roadless initiatives and wilderness set-asides, not to mention my
favorite, the "wild and scenic rivers " initiative which would have locked
up a bit over twenty on my place. Public hearings were held 400 miles away,
by a group of government officials and environmentalists. Landowners were
allowed up to three minutes to address this unbiased group, even though they
were the ones who would bear the taking. Fortunately the initiator was
defeated in his downstate district, though not over a measure which was
popular among all those who would not have been affected.
Oh yes, the construction lumber mill up the road, which sawed softwood equal
in every way to the Canadian, went under recently because it couldn't get a
guaranteed supply.
"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A common debating tactic with both conservatives and liberals in the
United
> States is to assume that the most radical positions of the opposite side
> represent the views of every opponent. For example, "those loony tree
> huggers want to ban all logging." In fact the vast majority of
> conservationists call for RESPONSIBLE cutting and reforestration rather
than
> the clearcutting that was the industry norm a few years ago. Even the
> lumber industry has bought into that for its own long-term good. In fact,
> shipping a few conservationists to Canada would be a benefit for its
> industry and a loss to ours.
>
Try: http://www.johnnyseeds.com/welcome.html
They have some heirloom varieties of plants, including indeterminant
tomatoes.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:aeqdndMuCuwMmqvcRVn->
> Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds for
> next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
> unaltered, tomato?
>
In a hot climate, that mulch would be good. First, it sucks up nitrogen,
holding back the foliage on the tomato, and of course, it keeps moisture
available to shallow roots.
Those of us who struggle in the north to ripen a single tomato on the vine
avoid it, because it keeps the soil too cool. We also grow the more
commercial determinant types which set fruit all at once, because we don't
have the season.
The peas I didn't rip out are blossoming again, it's so cold and wet!
"Jack Casuso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> By the way, the Summer here in NJ has been hotter than usual -- not more
> record days but higher temps per day. Just for the record, Jersey
tomatoes
> are the best and this year it has been a bumper crop. Start all of mine
> from seed and due mulch with the bountiful supply of sawdust I generate.
>
> Happy woodworking/gardening.
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
>> Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
>> wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
>> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>
>Global warming, eh?
>
>We do have an abundance of farmer's produce markets and stands down here in
>Texas, but most of the tomatoes are still of the hybrid variety that are
>"engineered" more for shelf life than taste. I've been growing my own for a
>while, on the front porch in an "earth box", but the varieties available as
>seedlings are the same, basically tasteless, hybrids that you get at the
>markets.
>
>Taste being one of the last things to go, and wanting to take full advantage
>of that fact, it is apparent that if I want to taste a real tomato again,
>like the one's we had as kids on the farm, I am going to have to go to
>extraordinary measures to do so. Next year I want to plant some old heirloom
>seeds, in a flat like we used to do, then transplant to the "earth box", and
>see if that doesn't improve things.
>
The farmers that come to the Union Square Greenmarket have so many
"heirloom" tomato varieties that I have to believe seeds are available
somewhere. I have no place to grow them, but they sure are fun to eat.
Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a
"WooWooism lives" Anon grafitto on the base of the Cuttyhunk breakwater light
"Roy Smith" wrote in message
> So don't buy seedlings. It's easy to start your own indoors from seeds,
> and there's lots of good varieties available from some of the
> lesser-known seed houses. We get most of ours from
> http://www.johnnyseeds.com/. Many of the "heirloom" varieties produce
> wrinkled or mis-shapen fruit which don't go over well in commercial
> markets, but the taste can't be beat.
As I said, I am looking for "seeds" ... thanks for the link.
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you could try Vesseys if your in a colder climate
http://www.veseys.com/
James
www.cryscom.nb.ca
Charlie Self wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>
>>As I said, I am looking for "seeds" ... thanks for the link.
>
>
> I checked. Should have done it first. Try www.burpee.com
>
> They have more than 18 varieties of heirloom tomatoes.
>
> Charlie Self
> "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Charlie Self) wrote:
> I checked. Should have done it first. Try www.burpee.com
Ah, the memories...
Back when I was about 10 years old (c.1971) I spotted an ad in the back
of Boy's Life magazine and sent away for a Burpee seed sales kit. The
idea was to ring bells door-to-door and offer quality, well-known Burpee
flower and garden seeds to the neighbors. By selling certain amounts of
seeds a boy would earn rewards at whatever level of sales he achieved.
A small box arrived a couple weeks later with quite a sampling of
various plant seeds. Excitedly I hit the streets in our smallish,
out-of-town neighborhood in northern Virginia. Surprisingly the
neighbors were quite receptive and before long I had amassed quite a
tidy sum of coin in the collection envelope with my seed stock
practically depleted. As I recall I had sold something on the order of
$15 or $20 worth of Burpee packets at 10¢ or 25¢ apiece.
My chosen reward was a wooden box chock full of an assortment of X-Acto
blades and handle. Wow were those things sharp. I didn't have a history
of carving or whittling (obww). Nor did I seriously take up the craft
afterwards. I didn't want to dull the blades, after all. Everything
seemed just as it should be. I sent away, they sent to me, I sold and
submitted the proceeds, they sent me my payment. Budding
entrepreneurialism wed to good ol' capitalism. Beautiful. (Not to
mention the trust Burpee was extending to all those boys.) Then...
One day my older sister was using one of the blades for something or
other. The long blade slipped off of the object and cleanly sliced into
the web of skin and muscle between her thumb and forefinger. My mother
confiscated the, *my*, X-Acto knife set. Too dangerous she said. Jeez.
Kinda like the Cox Red Baron, gas, fly-by-wire biplane I got for
Christmas when I was about 11 or 12. My mother took it upon herself to
be the first to try it out as my Dad fired it up. As the plane took off
and gained altitude, she spun around and around and around trying to
control it and keep up with it. A half dozen rotations and she lost her
bearings, driving the plane directly into the ground, breaking the wing
struts and doing serious damage to the future aerodynamics. Out of
commission before I even got a turn. Jeez...
--
Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
--
"Osama WHO?" asked *.
So true! We ought to refuse the bred-for-shipping varieties that our home
grown MBAs have given us. Maybe if everyone rejected the crap served in
restaurants we could reverse the trend. But there is hope, as in
http://www.tomatofest.com/home.html and many others--for the investment of
some time and some earth.
Jay Knepper
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
> > Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're
just
> > wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today,
the
> > First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>
> Global warming, eh?
>
> We do have an abundance of farmer's produce markets and stands down here
in
> Texas, but most of the tomatoes are still of the hybrid variety that are
> "engineered" more for shelf life than taste. I've been growing my own for
a
> while, on the front porch in an "earth box", but the varieties available
as
> seedlings are the same, basically tasteless, hybrids that you get at the
> markets.
>
> Taste being one of the last things to go, and wanting to take full
advantage
> of that fact, it is apparent that if I want to taste a real tomato again,
> like the one's we had as kids on the farm, I am going to have to go to
> extraordinary measures to do so. Next year I want to plant some old
heirloom
> seeds, in a flat like we used to do, then transplant to the "earth box",
and
> see if that doesn't improve things.
>
> I've got a shaker with a combination of salt and pepper in it out in the
> shop (Obww), and always keep a couple of tomatoes in the shop fridge ...
> keeps your hand steady for those taper jig cuts. :)
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 7/10/04
>
>
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tell you what. US will export some environmentalists, if you'll take 'em
> duty free, and nobody will harvest wood within ten years....
>
>
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:310820042037002198%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040901/wl_canada_a
>> fp/us_canada_lumber&e=5>
>>
>> Excerpt:
>>
>> "The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) review panel rejected
>> claims by Washington that its lumber producers had suffered damage as a
>> result of Canadian imports.
>>
>> The panel ordered the US International Trade Commission to reverse its
>> determination on the lumber imports, which resulted in the laying of 19
>> percent countervailing duties on Canadian wood, within 10 days."
A common debating tactic with both conservatives and liberals in the United
States is to assume that the most radical positions of the opposite side
represent the views of every opponent. For example, "those loony tree
huggers want to ban all logging." In fact the vast majority of
conservationists call for RESPONSIBLE cutting and reforestration rather than
the clearcutting that was the industry norm a few years ago. Even the
lumber industry has bought into that for its own long-term good. In fact,
shipping a few conservationists to Canada would be a benefit for its
industry and a loss to ours.
Bob
"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
> wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
Global warming, eh?
We do have an abundance of farmer's produce markets and stands down here in
Texas, but most of the tomatoes are still of the hybrid variety that are
"engineered" more for shelf life than taste. I've been growing my own for a
while, on the front porch in an "earth box", but the varieties available as
seedlings are the same, basically tasteless, hybrids that you get at the
markets.
Taste being one of the last things to go, and wanting to take full advantage
of that fact, it is apparent that if I want to taste a real tomato again,
like the one's we had as kids on the farm, I am going to have to go to
extraordinary measures to do so. Next year I want to plant some old heirloom
seeds, in a flat like we used to do, then transplant to the "earth box", and
see if that doesn't improve things.
I've got a shaker with a combination of salt and pepper in it out in the
shop (Obww), and always keep a couple of tomatoes in the shop fridge ...
keeps your hand steady for those taper jig cuts. :)
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Swingman notes:
>Taste being one of the last things to go, and wanting to take full advantage
>of that fact, it is apparent that if I want to taste a real tomato again,
>like the one's we had as kids on the farm, I am going to have to go to
>extraordinary measures to do so. Next year I want to plant some old heirloom
>seeds, in a flat like we used to do, then transplant to the "earth box", and
>see if that doesn't improve things.
>
>I've got a shaker with a combination of salt and pepper in it out in the
>shop (Obww), and always keep a couple of tomatoes in the shop fridge ...
>keeps your hand steady for those taper jig cuts. :)
Don't know if it will help, or even if it still exists, but some years ago,
Burpee had some taste-centered old-fashioned seed. You can't really pick up
much in the way of non-long keepers here, either, but we're going to turn under
a quarter acre next year...well, in October...and plant some things we want.
Real corn. Tomatoes. No zucchini. But it has been a long time since we tried.
Got tired of feeding the damned deer.
Charlie Self
"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken
"Charlie Self" wrote in message
> Don't know if it will help, or even if it still exists, but some years
ago,
> Burpee had some taste-centered old-fashioned seed. You can't really pick
up
> much in the way of non-long keepers here, either, but we're going to turn
under
> a quarter acre next year...well, in October...and plant some things we
want.
> Real corn. Tomatoes. No zucchini. But it has been a long time since we
tried.
> Got tired of feeding the damned deer.
The birds are the biggest problem here ... netting does a pretty job of
stopping that for someone reduced to front porch farming.
I heard Paul Harvey discussing "heirloom varities" the other day and it got
me thinking. No longer living in the country, but yearning for the things
that made those times so enjoyable as I get older, I am bound and determined
to taste a real tomato at least one more time.
And thanks for the burpee motherlode/link, Charlie ... I was just going
googling for "burpee" when I saw your second post.
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Charlie Self wrote:
> Swingman notes:
[snip]
>
> Don't know if it will help, or even if it still exists, but some years ago,
> Burpee had some taste-centered old-fashioned seed. You can't really pick up
> much in the way of non-long keepers here, either, but we're going to turn under
> a quarter acre next year...well, in October...and plant some things we want.
> Real corn. Tomatoes. No zucchini. But it has been a long time since we tried.
> Got tired of feeding the damned deer.
That's called chumming. Venison sandwich with tomato and onion.
Yummers! ;-)
mahalo,
jo4hn
jo4hn responds:
>> Real corn. Tomatoes. No zucchini. But it has been a long time since we
>tried.
>> Got tired of feeding the damned deer.
>
>That's called chumming. Venison sandwich with tomato and onion.
>Yummers! ;-)
No longer. It is now poaching. The only ones who can shoot deer on their own
property during off season are orchardists, etc. Joe & Jane Growmyown can get
some major fines for doing so, if they get caught. And we're so over-copped in
this county now, it is probable a poacher would get caught. Hell, they've got
so little to do that for the past 5-6 years they've had a computer operation to
toll Pennsylvania, NC, NJ and WV perverts into the county for arrest. Then we
get to pay the massive court costs to try the bastards.
Charlie Self
"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
> Ah, you see, it's so hard to tell when someone is only _acting like_
> they don't understand science and saying "It was cold today therefore
> global warming is false", and when they're actually saying that and
> meaning it.
Agreed ... but no liberal arts major here. Too many years of the reek of
chemistry labs went up my nose to fall for that kind of logic. ;>)
> I've had that conversation with more than a few people
> who don't understand short-term vs. long-term trends, and I thought you
> were one of them. I'm sorry; I didn't see that you were joking.
No problem ... while I thought "eh?" was a dead giveaway, I apologize for
not being more emphatic considering the medium.
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"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gotta love it! From lumber to tomato seeds.
It could easily segue into global warming. Oh, wait...
Bob
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
>> And force-grown. It's still better than a depressing bald spot in what
> once
>> was a forest.
>
> I got a kick out of the clear-cut
> practice/subterfuge/token-to-the-environmentalist (however you want to
> view
> it) in Southern Arkansas where the land is flatter ... they leave strips
> along the roads so you can't see the clear-cut and, as you're driving
> through, you'd swear there wasn't a logging company for miles.
>
> Probably what the suits tritely refer to as a "win-win" ... but, of
> course,
> they win more.
>
> Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds for
> next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
> unaltered, tomato?
Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
Bob
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:42:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> >
> >> Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're
just
> >> wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today,
the
> >> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
> >
> > Global warming, eh?
>
> Once again, a non-scientist confuses "weather" with "climate".
And once again, someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the actual facts
jumps to an erroneous conclusion.
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"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> And force-grown. It's still better than a depressing bald spot in what
once
> was a forest.
I got a kick out of the clear-cut
practice/subterfuge/token-to-the-environmentalist (however you want to view
it) in Southern Arkansas where the land is flatter ... they leave strips
along the roads so you can't see the clear-cut and, as you're driving
through, you'd swear there wasn't a logging company for miles.
Probably what the suits tritely refer to as a "win-win" ... but, of course,
they win more.
Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds for
next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
unaltered, tomato?
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> Two things,
> 1. the news reports here indicate its a 27% duty and
> 2. The US can appeal, dragging this out (it seems) interminally..
>
> Its already been going on 2 years..it seems they'll just keep it up til they
> get the result they want, meanwhile, the extra overhead is passed on to who
> ?
> The US consumer..
And the Canadian millworkers also suffer too. This all sucks. The
NAFTA panel has told the US Govt to stop fighting the rulings.
Today's Globe and Mail Report on Business reports that the WTO has
"given Canada the go-ahead to slap trade sanctions on the U.S., which
could amount to billions of dollars if Washington hands the more than
$2.7-billion (U.S.) in softwood levies collected from Canadian timber
over to American forest companies."
Funny how the subject matter of a thread can change. This one started as
NAFTA, became Tomatoes, and then global warming. Guess we have to read ALL
threads since a lot of them mutate in the same manner.
By the way, the Summer here in NJ has been hotter than usual -- not more
record days but higher temps per day. Just for the record, Jersey tomatoes
are the best and this year it has been a bumper crop. Start all of mine
from seed and due mulch with the bountiful supply of sawdust I generate.
Happy woodworking/gardening.
"George" <george@least> wrote in message
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> Try: http://www.johnnyseeds.com/welcome.html
>
> They have some heirloom varieties of plants, including indeterminant
> tomatoes.
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:aeqdndMuCuwMmqvcRVn->
> > Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds
for
> > next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
> > unaltered, tomato?
> >
>
>
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
>> huggers want to ban all logging." In fact the vast majority of
>> conservationists call for RESPONSIBLE cutting and reforestration rather
> than
>> the clearcutting that was the industry norm a few years ago. Even the
>> lumber industry has bought into that for its own long-term good.
>
> You're right. However, the problem with many current "reforestation"
> efforts
> is the same problem with tomatoes in the grocery store ... product is
> genetically designed for the benefit of the corporation, not the consumer.
And force-grown. It's still better than a depressing bald spot in what once
was a forest.
>> Then again, a tasteless red biomass with soft seeds is marginally better
>> in
> a salad than nothing for those who never experienced the difference ....
> and
> add a corollary for a tubafour while you're at it.
Sure:
Corollary: never include reforested wood in your salad.
Are you saying you don't like square tomatoes that ship well? You oughta see
the hardwood peaches we get up here in Wisconsin.
No, you shouldn't
Bob
"Rudy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Two things,
> 1. the news reports here indicate its a 27% duty and
> 2. The US can appeal, dragging this out (it seems) interminally..
>
> Its already been going on 2 years..it seems they'll just keep it up til
they
> get the result they want,
Cooperation with the ICBM may do it for bush, I think!
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:23:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
> Along those same lines, I am looking for some "heirloom" tomato seeds for
> next year ... anyone know of a good source for old stock, genetically
> unaltered, tomato?
Totally Tomatoes
P.O. Box 295 (or)
334 W. Stroud St.
Randolph, WI 53956
USA
Google for 'em ... and give the Early Goliath a try -- worked VERY well
for me this year. (Also try the Old Brooks, not as early as Early Goliath,
but still somewhat ahead of the pack and good flavor / size in an
unusually cool summer here in MI.)
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bob Schmall" wrote in message
>
> > Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
> > wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
> > First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
>
> Global warming, eh?
>
> We do have an abundance of farmer's produce markets and stands down here in
> Texas, but most of the tomatoes are still of the hybrid variety that are
> "engineered" more for shelf life than taste. I've been growing my own for a
> while, on the front porch in an "earth box", but the varieties available as
> seedlings are the same, basically tasteless, hybrids that you get at the
> markets.
So don't buy seedlings. It's easy to start your own indoors from seeds,
and there's lots of good varieties available from some of the
lesser-known seed houses. We get most of ours from
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/. Many of the "heirloom" varieties produce
wrinkled or mis-shapen fruit which don't go over well in commercial
markets, but the taste can't be beat.
"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> huggers want to ban all logging." In fact the vast majority of
> conservationists call for RESPONSIBLE cutting and reforestration rather
than
> the clearcutting that was the industry norm a few years ago. Even the
> lumber industry has bought into that for its own long-term good.
You're right. However, the problem with many current "reforestation" efforts
is the same problem with tomatoes in the grocery store ... product is
genetically designed for the benefit of the corporation, not the consumer.
Then again, a tasteless red biomass with soft seeds is marginally better in
a salad than nothing for those who never experienced the difference .... and
add a corollary for a tubafour while you're at it.
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> Excerpt:
>
> "The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) review panel rejected
> claims by Washington that its lumber producers had suffered damage as a
> result of Canadian imports.
>
> The panel ordered the US International Trade Commission to reverse its
> determination on the lumber imports, which resulted in the laying of 19
> percent countervailing duties on Canadian wood, within 10 days."
Two things,
1. the news reports here indicate its a 27% duty and
2. The US can appeal, dragging this out (it seems) interminally..
Its already been going on 2 years..it seems they'll just keep it up til they
get the result they want, meanwhile, the extra overhead is passed on to who
?
The US consumer..
"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Got any wood-frame (Obww) farmer's tomato stands in your area? We're just
> wrapping up the second coldest summer on record, and I finally, today, the
> First of September, found ripe tomatoes at the local stand. Sheesh.
Yeah, here in Houston, we have had a really mild Summer also. 5 cold fronts
that actually lowered the temperatures to fall like temperatures before the
end of August. This normally does not happen until late October and
November.