From AP:
"Bob Johnson, the billionaire founder of Black Entertainment
Television and a Clinton supporter, sent a letter to the Congressional
Black Caucus Wednesday urging the group to encourage Obama to choose
Clinton as his vice presidential pick. He said he was doing so with
her blessing.
Obama is seeking to become the first black president.
Clinton has told other friends and supporters she would be willing to
be Obama's running mate. But her immediate task is bringing her own
presidential bid to a close."
---------------
Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
thinks he can turn the US around?
He does not want to become president because he's black?
I ask you, how screwed up is that news report?
Idiots!
(Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
all, you pay him enough.)
Robatoy wrote:
> Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
> thinks he can turn the US around?
>
> He does not want to become president because he's black?
>
> I ask you, how screwed up is that news report?
Indeed. Racism will be gone when no one asks "Was he black or white or
asian or..." and if someone were to ask, which no one would, the answer
would be "I didn't notice." That day will probably not come soon.
Meanwhile, I have adopted that as my standard reply. It befuddles my
friends who have racial prejudices. I refuse to recognize race as a
defining human characteristic. It is no more important than color of
eyes or hair.
While we're this far OT, why do those to whom race is important say
that Obama is black? It would seem to me that persons who need to
define people by their race could define a person who has one African
parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white.
For me, it comes down to this. While superficial differences between
candidates, such as their sexes* is easy enough to see, when it comes
to qualification to be president I do not recognize sex, race, or any
other superficial difference. I do, however, recognize the difference
between government by fear, ignorance, and hypocrisy -- the government
we've been living under for the past seven-plus years--and government
by reasoned decision-making, which is something at which Senator Obama,
with his deep intellect, clearly excels.
Davoud
*Please don't use "gender" where "sex" is the correct word. Masculine
and feminine and neuter are genders in grammar. Male and female are
sexes.
--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com
Davoud:
> >...It would seem to me that persons who need to
> >define people by their race could define a person who has one African
> >parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white. ...
Tom Veatch:
> Very interesting comment. That "black" blood must be some awfully
> potent stuff if only takes one drop of it to turn an otherwise "white"
> into a "black".
Yes, indeed. So potent that it has given rise to a large movement of
persons who deny the fact that Evolution is a property of all life on
Earth. To accept Evolution is to accept the fact that there is only one
species of mankind and that species originated in Africa. That whites
and blacks are different species is a fundamental, if not widely
advertised, tenet of anti-African racism.
A friend of mine who survived the Holocaust explained it thusly:
"I can kill a fly or a cockroach without remorse. So can you. The first
step to committing slavery and genocide is to tell yourself that the
victims are no more human than cockroaches. That was the only big step
the Germans had to take, and it was not so difficult a step for them
because anti-Semitism ran deep in their society to begin with. Thus was
racism in Germany at that time, thus it was in the era of African
slavery, thus it is in much of America today."
Davoud
--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com
Robatoy wrote:
<SNIP>
>>
>> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
>> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
>> all, you pay him enough.)
>
You have a short memory. I returned him to you after politely
explaining that I am married to a woman, happily heterosexual and
monogamous. He should have conveyed my thanks to you for thinking of
me in sharing from your stable, some of which is apparently human (who
would have guessed). He did say that your memory wasn't the only
thing that was short...
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PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
May 31st
Robatoy avows:
> I was drawn into too many conversations about this and that and the
> other thing over the last couple of years.
> I take a genuine interest in politics, US and here in Canada.
>
> I have decided not to do that kinda thing in here any more. There are
> many channels to have these discussions via e-mail and such... why
> clutter this lumpy ol' newsgroup with my diatribe?, Eh?
June 4th
Robatoy "gets drawn in":
> And he should hire a food taster. She won't stop at anything.
> ANYthing. You can see that lust for power in her demonic narcissistic
> eyes.
June 5th
Robatoy instigates:
> Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
> thinks he can turn the US around?
...
> Idiots!
...
> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> all, you pay him enough.)
Rob, you have an iron will.
On Jun 5, 7:05=A0pm, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 5, 6:15 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Robatoy wrote:
>
> > <SNIP>
>
> > >> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> > >> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> > >> all, you pay him enough.)
>
> > You have a short memory. I returned him to you after politely
> > explaining that I am married to a woman, happily heterosexual and
> > monogamous. He should have conveyed my thanks to you for thinking of
> > me in sharing from your stable, some of which is apparently human (who
> > would have guessed). =A0He did say that your memory wasn't the only
> > thing that was short...
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--- -
> > Tim Daneliuk =A0 =A0 [email protected]
> > PGP Key: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>
> Beautitful, Tim. Exactly what the counterjumper deserves.
Oh jeeezzz... did you just ride in on Tim's coat-tails?
Or are you an opportunistic ass kisser?
On Jun 5, 5:50=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> From AP:
>
> "Bob Johnson, the billionaire founder of Black Entertainment
> Television and a Clinton supporter, sent a letter to the Congressional
> Black Caucus Wednesday urging the group to encourage Obama to choose
> Clinton as his vice presidential pick. He said he was doing so with
> her blessing.
>
> Obama is seeking to become the first black president.
>
> Clinton has told other friends and supporters she would be willing to
> be Obama's running mate. But her immediate task is bringing her own
> presidential bid to a close."
>
> ---------------
>
> Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
> thinks he can turn the US around?
>
> =A0He does not want to become president because he's black?
>
> I ask you, how screwed up is that news report?
>
> Idiots!
>
> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> all, you pay him enough.)
On Jun 5, 8:02=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charlie Self wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 6:15 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> <SNIP>
>
> >>>> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> >>>> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> >>>> all, you pay him enough.)
> >> You have a short memory. I returned him to you after politely
> >> explaining that I am married to a woman, happily heterosexual and
> >> monogamous. He should have conveyed my thanks to you for thinking of
> >> me in sharing from your stable, some of which is apparently human (who
> >> would have guessed). =A0He did say that your memory wasn't the only
> >> thing that was short...
>
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------=
---- -
> >> Tim Daneliuk =A0 =A0 [email protected]
> >> PGP Key: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>
> > Beautitful, Tim. Exactly what the counterjumper deserves.
>
> ;)
>
> I hope everyone understands this was written in fun and with no
> malice intended...
>
If you're suggesting that we shouldn't take you seriously, worry not.
I haven't.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 5, 6:05 pm, Woodie <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Rob, you have an iron will.
>
> LOL... I can't resist this any more than Roger Rabbit resisted A Shave
> And A Haircut Two Bits!!!
>
> LOL
>
> Look, I can't allow the likes of Daneliuk to run loose in here without
> some accountability.
> I mean, talk about protesting too much, this clown has verbal
> diarrhoea the likes of which I haven't seen since Don King. At best
> he's a puppet for some neo-con, as worst, he *is* one.
> He does have the gift of gab though. Wouldn't it be nice if he used it
> to promote useful solutions rather than spewing the shit he does that
> everybody is wrong, but him?
> Vote for Reagan. Cute. *Yawn*
Oh, were that the reason... C'mon. You poking at him with pointy sticks
and calling him names hardly qualifies as ensuring some accountability.
You just like doing it.
Admit it.
"Robatoy" wrote:
>Look, I can't allow the likes of Daneliuk to run loose in here
>without
some accountability.
I mean, talk about protesting too much, this clown has verbal
diarrhoea the likes of which I haven't seen since Don King.
The same Don King who was Shondor Birns muscle man when Birns ran the
numbers in Cleveland in the late 40's, early 50s?
Did a little time in the gray bar hotel for murder as I remember.
Lew
"Davoud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:050620081900075297%[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
>> thinks he can turn the US around?
>>
>> He does not want to become president because he's black?
>>
>> I ask you, how screwed up is that news report?
>
> Indeed. Racism will be gone when no one asks "Was he black or white or
> asian or..." and if someone were to ask, which no one would, the answer
> would be "I didn't notice." That day will probably not come soon.
> Meanwhile, I have adopted that as my standard reply. It befuddles my
> friends who have racial prejudices. I refuse to recognize race as a
> defining human characteristic. It is no more important than color of
> eyes or hair.
You are very naive, and, obviously not black. To black people, EVERYTHING
is about race.
>
> While we're this far OT, why do those to whom race is important say
> that Obama is black? It would seem to me that persons who need to
> define people by their race could define a person who has one African
> parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white.
It is black people who see him as the black candidate, and the 95% of black
voters in the primaries that voted for him should tell you how they view
him.
>
> For me, it comes down to this. While superficial differences between
> candidates, such as their sexes* is easy enough to see, when it comes
> to qualification to be president I do not recognize sex, race, or any
> other superficial difference.
Race may seem superficial, at least to you, but culturally it has huge
implications in a person's viewpoints.
On Jun 5, 6:15 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
> >> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> >> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> >> all, you pay him enough.)
>
> You have a short memory. I returned him to you after politely
> explaining that I am married to a woman, happily heterosexual and
> monogamous. He should have conveyed my thanks to you for thinking of
> me in sharing from your stable, some of which is apparently human (who
> would have guessed). He did say that your memory wasn't the only
> thing that was short...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
Beautitful, Tim. Exactly what the counterjumper deserves.
Swingman wrote:
> "Tim Daneliuk" wrote
>
>> Somehow, it's always Whitey's fault - only it really isn't. The dirty
>> little secret of racism in the 21st century is that its greatest
>> practitioners of bigotry are found in two places: Tribal cultures around
> he
>> world, and the race-baiting black leadership in the West.
>
>
> Bzzzzt .. make that three:
>
> American public education ... where race is a factor, although often
> silent/unspoken, in _every_ decision.
>
Noted and agreed.
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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
On Jun 5, 6:05=A0pm, Woodie <[email protected]> wrote:
> May 31st
> Robatoy avows:
>
> > I was drawn into too many conversations about this and that and the
> > other thing over the last couple of years.
> > I take a genuine interest in politics, US and here in Canada.
>
> > I have decided not to do that kinda thing in here any more. There are
> > many channels to have these discussions via e-mail and such... why
> > clutter this lumpy ol' newsgroup with my diatribe?, Eh?
>
> June 4th
> Robatoy "gets drawn in":
>
> > And he should hire a food taster. She won't stop at anything.
> > ANYthing. You can see that lust for power in her demonic narcissistic
> > eyes.
>
> June 5th
> Robatoy instigates:
>
> > Has it occurred to anybody that 08ama wants to be president because he
> > thinks he can turn the US around?
> ...
> > Idiots!
> ...
> > (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
> > boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
> > all, you pay him enough.)
>
> Rob, you have an iron will.
LOL... I can't resist this any more than Roger Rabbit resisted A Shave
And A Haircut Two Bits!!!
LOL
Look, I can't allow the likes of Daneliuk to run loose in here without
some accountability.
I mean, talk about protesting too much, this clown has verbal
diarrhoea the likes of which I haven't seen since Don King. At best
he's a puppet for some neo-con, as worst, he *is* one.
He does have the gift of gab though. Wouldn't it be nice if he used it
to promote useful solutions rather than spewing the shit he does that
everybody is wrong, but him?
Vote for Reagan. Cute. *Yawn*
On Jun 5, 7:55=A0pm, Tom in NJ <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >From AP:
>
> >"Bob Johnson, the billionaire founder of Black Entertainment
>
> Your post is inappropriate for this newsgroup. Are you so
> disrespectful of the purpose and the frequenters of this group
> that you incessantly flood it with posts unrelated to woodworking?
> Your act wears thin.
Damn! Now you have burst my bubble! I have upset one of our
contributors.... you ARE a contributor, aren't you?
"Tim Daneliuk" wrote
> Somehow, it's always Whitey's fault - only it really isn't. The dirty
> little secret of racism in the 21st century is that its greatest
> practitioners of bigotry are found in two places: Tribal cultures around
he
> world, and the race-baiting black leadership in the West.
Bzzzzt .. make that three:
American public education ... where race is a factor, although often
silent/unspoken, in _every_ decision.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Swingman wrote:
> "Tim Daneliuk" wrote
>
>> Somehow, it's always Whitey's fault - only it really isn't. The dirty
>> little secret of racism in the 21st century is that its greatest
>> practitioners of bigotry are found in two places: Tribal cultures around
> he
>> world, and the race-baiting black leadership in the West.
>
>
> Bzzzzt .. make that three:
>
> American public education ... where race is a factor, although often
> silent/unspoken, in _every_ decision.
>
Truer words were never spoken, well maybe hinted at.
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Veatch wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:00:12 GMT, Davoud <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>...It would seem to me that persons who need to
>>define people by their race could define a person who has one African
>>parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white. ...
>
>Very interesting comment. That "black" blood must be some awfully
>potent stuff if only takes one drop of it to turn an otherwise "white"
>into a "black".
In the days of racist "Jim Crow" legislation in the American South, in some
states a person was considered "black" if his ancestry was 1/64th African.
That's one African great-great-great-great-grandparent.
By that standard, I'm a Native American. <snort>
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>From AP:
>
>"Bob Johnson, the billionaire founder of Black Entertainment
Your post is inappropriate for this newsgroup. Are you so
disrespectful of the purpose and the frequenters of this group
that you incessantly flood it with posts unrelated to woodworking?
Your act wears thin.
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:00:12 GMT, Davoud <[email protected]> wrote:
>...It would seem to me that persons who need to
>define people by their race could define a person who has one African
>parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white. ...
Very interesting comment. That "black" blood must be some awfully
potent stuff if only takes one drop of it to turn an otherwise "white"
into a "black".
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
Davoud wrote:
> Davoud:
>>> ...It would seem to me that persons who need to
>>> define people by their race could define a person who has one African
>>> parent and one Caucasian parent as black _or_ white. ...
>
> Tom Veatch:
>> Very interesting comment. That "black" blood must be some awfully
>> potent stuff if only takes one drop of it to turn an otherwise "white"
>> into a "black".
>
> Yes, indeed. So potent that it has given rise to a large movement of
> persons who deny the fact that Evolution is a property of all life on
> Earth. To accept Evolution is to accept the fact that there is only one
> species of mankind and that species originated in Africa. That whites
> and blacks are different species is a fundamental, if not widely
> advertised, tenet of anti-African racism.
>
> A friend of mine who survived the Holocaust explained it thusly:
> "I can kill a fly or a cockroach without remorse. So can you. The first
> step to committing slavery and genocide is to tell yourself that the
> victims are no more human than cockroaches. That was the only big step
> the Germans had to take, and it was not so difficult a step for them
> because anti-Semitism ran deep in their society to begin with. Thus was
> racism in Germany at that time, thus it was in the era of African
> slavery, thus it is in much of America today."
>
> Davoud
>
The only problem with this analysis is that African slavery began *and
remains in place* in ... er ... *Africa*. Western participation in
slavery was a relatively short activity - several hundreds of years -
as compared to the better part of 10,000 years that slavery has
flourished pretty much in every recorded culture.
In actual fact, Westerners are the first example of people who
voluntarily (sometimes via civil war and unrest) *gave up* slaving.
But the modern PC hypocrisy is that AmeriKKKa is a mean old bigoted
place full of folks who hate other folks of color. It's demonstrable
nonsense at least at any large scale, but that doesn't stop the race
and class warriors like Wright, Obama, Phleger, Jackson, Sharpton et
al from their constant whining about how bad things are.
Here are a few indisputable facts from the history of Western slaving
of Africans to consider:
1) Who started African slavery? Africans.
2) Who were the first slave traders in Africa? Africans.
3) Who were among the first victims? Whites, at the hands of the Barbary Coast pirates.
4) Who were the first buyers? Africans.
5) After the West abandoned slavery, who continued to engage in slavery? Africans.
6) Where can you still buy African slaves today? Africa (Somalia and Mauritania).
7) Who is buying African slaves today? Arab Muslims.
In short, the so-called "anti-African racism" to which you refer, is
vastly exaggerated as a matter of day-to-day life in the West. Does it
exist? Sure, but that's inevitable in a pluralistic society, and it is
execrable when it does happen. But why, pray tell, do the relatively
minor sins of the West dominate our PC culture, but the manyfold worse
abuses of the Africans themselves get almost a complete pass? You
pretty much *never* hear the Obamas, Wrights, Phlegers, Jacksons, and
Sharptons of the word thundering away at the moral abyss of Africa.
Somehow, it's always Whitey's fault - only it really isn't. The dirty
little secret of racism in the 21st century is that its greatest
practitioners of bigotry are found in two places: Tribal cultures around he
world, and the race-baiting black leadership in the West.
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:38:00 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 5, 7:55Â pm, Tom in NJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:50:43 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >From AP:
>>
>> >"Bob Johnson, the billionaire founder of Black Entertainment
>>
>> Your post is inappropriate for this newsgroup. Are you so
>> disrespectful of the purpose and the frequenters of this group
>> that you incessantly flood it with posts unrelated to woodworking?
>> Your act wears thin.
>
>Damn! Now you have burst my bubble! I have upset one of our
>contributors.... you ARE a contributor, aren't you?
No, I'm a former lurker who has yet to contribute. What that means is
neither you nor I have made woodworking contributions to the group.
However, I will, in the future. Judging by your past posts, you won't.
Charlie Self wrote:
> On Jun 5, 6:15 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> (Have fun with this, Daneliuk. Yes, you may have to send that cute
>>>> boyfriend of yours home to answer this, but he'll come back, after
>>>> all, you pay him enough.)
>> You have a short memory. I returned him to you after politely
>> explaining that I am married to a woman, happily heterosexual and
>> monogamous. He should have conveyed my thanks to you for thinking of
>> me in sharing from your stable, some of which is apparently human (who
>> would have guessed). He did say that your memory wasn't the only
>> thing that was short...
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>
> Beautitful, Tim. Exactly what the counterjumper deserves.
;)
I hope everyone understands this was written in fun and with no
malice intended...
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