Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
with new SawStop units.
Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
Lew
On 2/1/2012 11:30 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 1/22/2012 5:04 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think it's a fair comparison. Neither industry is likely more
>> charitable than the other. The exceptions, usually individuals, stand
>> out.
>
> Why would an industry need to be "charitable?" They do enough providing
> customers what they need/want at a price the customers can afford, and
> employ tons of people doing it.
To avoid paying Uncle Sam as much and that charity is great advertising.
>
>> The CEO's of major corps make tens of millions of dollars per year, in
>> many cases at the expense of their exployees. It's a fine kettle of fish
>> we've cooked.
>
> I recall long ago that one local filthy, stinking rich guy in Pgh. was
> the CEO of several large companies. I mentioned to someone that if a job
> was so hard that it payed millions, how could this guy have several jobs
> as CEO for different companies. The guy I was talking to noted that this
> filthy, stinking rich guy had lots of friends, and one day he went to
> Europe for lunch with a few of his friends. When he came back he had a
> contract worth $100 million a year for the company. He got the contract
> because he knew other stinking, filthy rich people. Both the company,
> and it's employee's benefited greatly from this "cheap at any price"
> CEO. At that time, employee's were smarter and more appreciative than
> the dumb fucks clogging up wall street today.
>
Well that only affirms the old as the hills common knowledge saying,
It ain't what you know but who you know.
m II wrote:
> New avoidance technique for your "issues"?
>
> ----------
> "Mike Marlow" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Stalker.
WTF are you babbling about now, Stalker?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Steve Barker wrote:
> On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Steve Barker" wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>> ----------------------------------
>> Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
>> technology, best get on board and embrace it.
>>
>> It's not going away.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> there will never be one in my shop.
That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine either, since
I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is
completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is driving
this. Evidence, please...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Apr 6, 5:39=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
> courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
> all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
> with new SawStop units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has
abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was
excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other
equipment.
No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table
saws.
End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg
State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top-
end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started
cutting wood in this High School years ago.
RonB
On 1/17/2012 12:33 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:42:12 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:51:07 -0600, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from
>>> commercial shop owners.
>>
>> Indeed. I know of one local commercial cabinet shop that had over 10 of
>> them the last time I talked to them about 3 years ago. They probably
>> have more by now.
>>
>> Their employees do repetitive work all day and get careless. According
>> to their equipment maintenance guy, he replaces a SawStop cartridge about
>> once a month. According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in
>> reduced Workmans Comp claims.
>
> What did he say about cost of damaged blades, hmmm?
Since the saws have paid for themselves many times over as stated, the
cost of the blade does not matter. Not to mention that it is a
commercial shop and they probably wear blades out much more often than
they damage one.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:42:12 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:51:07 -0600, Leon wrote:
>
>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>>
>>>
>> You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from
>> commercial shop owners.
>
>Indeed. I know of one local commercial cabinet shop that had over 10 of
>them the last time I talked to them about 3 years ago. They probably
>have more by now.
>
>Their employees do repetitive work all day and get careless. According
>to their equipment maintenance guy, he replaces a SawStop cartridge about
>once a month. According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in
>reduced Workmans Comp claims.
What did he say about cost of damaged blades, hmmm?
>OTOH, I agree with those who object to the maker pushing for a law
>requiring the use of his invention. Maybe we should push for one making
>the technique public domain in the interest of public safety :-).
If it becomes law, the invention should be sequestered by the gov't.
lest the speaking weasel's invention become a monopoly.
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:33:28 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:
> According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in
>>reduced Workmans Comp claims.
>
> What did he say about cost of damaged blades, hmmm?
I think the "many times" in the above sentence would cover the
comparatively small cost of the blades and cartridges :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
Yup. 3-ph. I invested in a 3hp rotary converter. You can run multiple
machines at the same time as long as you start them at different
times. Having this converter has allowed me to get one other great
deal because 3 ph equip is harder to sell in the after market so
prices can be great.
I got a Ritter edge sander 132" belt for $300 from a cabinet shop
going out of business. It was pretty much the last piece of equip he
had to sell and he started at $2k which would have been a good price.
On Apr 6, 4:17=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
> > Time to keep an eye on Interschola, the company that liqidates old
>
> government stuff, usually via eBay.
> --------------------------------
> It is 3-phase equipment.
>
> Lew
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" wrote:
>> I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is
>> completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is
>> driving this. Evidence, please...
> --------------------------------
> See Dave's post.
>
> He saved me the trouble.
>
Not really Lew. Dave spoke about the fear of things - you state that
insurance companies are driving this saw.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
OOPS!
Definitely ON TOPIC.
Lew
-----------------------------
Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
with new SawStop units.
Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
Lew
"RonB" wrote:
> They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has
abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was
excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other
equipment.
No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table
saws.
End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg
State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top-
end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started
cutting wood in this High School years ago.
-------------------------------
Just a thought.
I wonder if there is a reduction in liability insurance premium for
switching to SawStop, and if so, what is the time involved to recover
the SawStop investment?
Any insurance people on board the list?
Lew
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:23:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine either, since
>I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is
>completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is driving
>this. Evidence, please...
If it will help you, then *fear* of the insurance companies is driving
it. Fear of increased rates from lawsuits. Fear of having all
insurance terminated. It doesn't matter how you slice it, when the end
result is money, or the very real possibility of losing it because of
an injury, then there are only two choices. Comply or go broke/out of
business.
Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:23:01 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine
>> either, since I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that
>> said - Lew is completely wrong in his statement that the insurance
>> industry is driving this. Evidence, please...
>
> If it will help you, then *fear* of the insurance companies is driving
> it. Fear of increased rates from lawsuits. Fear of having all
> insurance terminated. It doesn't matter how you slice it, when the end
> result is money, or the very real possibility of losing it because of
> an injury, then there are only two choices. Comply or go broke/out of
> business.
I don't think so Dave. There is not much noise at all about insurance
companies driving this.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>
>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>> driving.
>>
> Need new glasses?
LOL ... thinking the same thing.
--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop
Bullshit!
(gotta' love your teachin's!)
Workers Compensation is insurance and it will drive it eventually.
-----------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I don't think so Dave. There is not much noise at all about insurance
companies driving this.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:53:30 -0600, Steve Barker
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>>
>
>about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you
>saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on.
Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
driving.
--
I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
--Duke Ellington
On 1/17/2012 12:27 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>
>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>>> driving.
>>>
>> Need new glasses?
>
> LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>
I totally missed that. I was trying to set his mind at ease when I
probably should have reported his driving habits the the local authorities!
On 1/17/2012 12:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:53:30 -0600, Steve Barker
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>>>
>>
>> about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you
>> saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on.
>
> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
> driving.
>
> --
> I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
> --Duke Ellington
we worried about that in snow removal. We hit curbs with some force
sometimes. We were assured by the Dodge truck people that they HAVE to
see a 27+mph dead stop to activate. I doubt a whack on the bumper with
a bat would do it at all.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
On 1/17/2012 12:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:53:30 -0600, Steve Barker
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>>>
>>
>> about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you
>> saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on.
>
> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
> driving.
Unless you compress your bumper of the sides of your truck the air bags
will not blow. It takes a damaging impact not a jaring motion.
I wrote:
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of
> California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
> courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
> all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and
> Unisaw
> with new SawStop units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
--------------------------------
"tomwalz" wrote:
> I'm glad you are still able to offer classes. You have such a great
program.
Tom Walz
Carbide Processors
----------------------------------
At this point, it is unknown if fall courses will be offered.
Depends on budget battle in Sacremento.
Yes it is a very good program.
Lew
"phorbin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
>> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
>> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
>> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
>> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
>> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
>> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
>> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
>> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
>> to do with a school shop program.
>
> You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
> stop function with a hot dog?
I wonder how many "tests" (and subsequent repairs) the school board will
allow?
If I know "kids", and I do, there will be a lot of "tests".
Max
"Steve Barker" wrote:
> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
----------------------------------
Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
technology, best get on board and embrace it.
It's not going away.
Lew
--Fuck 'em all. I've got a Saw Stop and I'm glad of it. I'd never go
back to another brand; damn well made and still evolving, with a team of
engineers that are happy to talk to end users and act on their experiences.
Now that's uncommon and welcome.
--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Steel, Stainless, Titanium:
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Guaranteed Uncertified Welding!
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>
> What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>
>
That's the whole thing - insurance companies are not driving this as some
have foolishly posted. When was the last time your insurance agent called
up to say something about SawStop? Commercial applications are a different
thing since liability is a bigger concern for them, but even at that, they
are not being "forced" into anything by their carriers. As Edwin states,
his Workman's Comp carrier is "advocating" the use. That's a far cry from
any kind of mandate. And - a far cry from any kind of reduced premium.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
tiredofspam wrote:
> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good
> chance of saving more than a finger.
>
> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
> surmise.
that is indeed a good report, but that report also says something else -
they have not had any acciedental contacts between a finger and a blade.
Though I am a supporter of the SawStop technology, this report does nothing
at all to advocate it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
of saving more than a finger.
Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
surmise.
On 1/16/2012 7:15 PM, dhall987 wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, phorbin<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
>>> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
>>> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
>>> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
>>> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
>>> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
>>> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
>>> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
>>> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
>>> to do with a school shop program.
>>
>> You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
>> stop function with a hot dog?
>
> Well it has been a long time since I posted this and the sawstops
> were purchased in or about 2008 or 2009. To my knowledge they have not
> been activated even once. Certainly they have not been activated
> enough to use the cartridges that came with the saws as I would have
> had to approve any POs for replacements. Read into that anything you
> want about the saws, the kids, the teachers and the program.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:28:34 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>>>>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>>>>> driving.
>>>>>
>>>> Need new glasses?
>>>
>>>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>>
>> Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
>>
>Most people drive on the roads, etc. Driving over curbs could be a sign of
>vision impairment.
Hell no. I just have a lot of fun driving. Lawns, fields, whatever.
I used to take both my Corvair convertible and my IH Scout flying.
I followed my buddies on their dirt bikes in the street legal Corvair.
And I ran up some hills and got the 2WD Scout airborne more than once.
The first time, I found the broken shock/spring mount when I came
down. It had been ready to break for years. A little welding and it
was better than it had been.
C'mon, guys, put some spice into your driving. Find a sidewalk and
give folks a thrill! Wash your truck on your neighbor's lawn whne the
sprinklers are on. Live a little, why doncha?
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
On 18 Jan 2012 01:01:40 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:41 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags
>>>>> are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my
>>>>> daily driving.
>>>>>
>>>> Need new glasses?
>>>
>>>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>>
>> Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
>>
>
>Most people don't drive over curbs on a regular basis.
Most people aren't handymen, headin' for the hindmost of the house.
Jeeze, I can't believe I didn't grok that.
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
DanG wrote:
> On 1/17/2012 10:23 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> "Steve Barker" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood
>>>>> fab shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an
>>>>> hour.
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
>>>> technology, best get on board and embrace it.
>>>>
>>>> It's not going away.
>>>>
>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>
>>> there will never be one in my shop.
>>
>> That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine
>> either, since I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that
>> said - Lew is completely wrong in his statement that the insurance
>> industry is driving this. Evidence, please...
>>
>
>
> Another fine mess you've gotten us into . . . brought to you by
> lawyers. If you want the facts look up Osario / lawsuit / Ryobi
That doesn't apply to the discussion at all Dan. Never said lawyers
couldn't be counted on the screw things up.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Time to keep an eye on Interschola, the company that liqidates old
government stuff, usually via eBay. That is where I got my old PM 66
TS and PM 26 Shaper for a song.
On Apr 6, 3:39=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
> courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
> all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
> with new SawStop units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>> of saving more than a finger.
>>
>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>> surmise.
>
>
>I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
make your airbags go off too.
Bullshit!
(easy huh?)
Amateur talk.
-----------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
That's the whole thing - insurance companies are not driving this as
some
have foolishly posted. When was the last time your insurance agent
called
up to say something about SawStop? Commercial applications are a
different
thing since liability is a bigger concern for them, but even at that,
they
are not being "forced" into anything by their carriers. As Edwin
states,
his Workman's Comp carrier is "advocating" the use. That's a far cry
from
any kind of mandate. And - a far cry from any kind of reduced premium.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Drive faster!
Old airbags take more to set them off! Ask Mike.
--------------
"willshak" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
My 97 Nissan PU struck a pregnant whitetail deer one night at about 50
mph. I was about a half mile from home and the radiator was leaking, so
I drove it home then called the police. Over $4k in damages. My truck
has only a driver airbag and it didn't inflate.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7033/truck2d.jpg
"Steve Barker" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
> of saving more than a finger.
>
> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
> surmise.
I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
=========================================================================
Another one of these people that think that breaking things makes them a
real man.
On 1/17/2012 12:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>>
>> Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to
>> compress the airbag switch.
>
> I don't think the bumpers have anything to do with the system.
> I think they all have inertia sensors (as another poster stated).
>
>
Unless things have changed, GM vehicles used a colapsable switch mounted
to the bumper near the energy absorber. If the bumper compressed past
the energy bumpers limits the switch was compressed against a stop.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
> to do with a school shop program.
You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
stop function with a hot dog?
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:41 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags
>>>> are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my
>>>> daily driving.
>>>>
>>> Need new glasses?
>>
>>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>
> Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
>
Most people don't drive over curbs on a regular basis.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
"Larry Jaques" wrote
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>>>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>>>> driving.
>>>>
>>> Need new glasses?
>>
>>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>
> Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
>
Most people drive on the roads, etc. Driving over curbs could be a sign of
vision impairment.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:41 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>
>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>>> driving.
>>>
>> Need new glasses?
>
>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
Weird job as a tester in a concrete factory.
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Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:27:41 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags
>>>> are set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my
>>>> daily driving.
>>>>
>>> Need new glasses?
>>
>>LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>
> Care to 'splain? Ya lost me. OT, or something else?
>
Most people don't drive over curbs on a regular basis.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
> of saving more than a finger.
>
> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
> surmise.
I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
Try to focus your ADHD Mikey!
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
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WTF are you babbling about now, Stalker?
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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OOPS!
-----------------------------
Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
with new SawStop units.
Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
===========================================
Yep. When they come out with a 12 inch I'll get two for my school.
My list says a gotta have 12 inch, and I go with that all the way.
-- Jim in NC
On 1/16/2012 10:19 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>> of saving more than a finger.
>>
>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>> surmise.
>
>
> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>
You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from
commercial shop owners.
On 1/17/2012 5:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>> surmise.
>>
>>
>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>
> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>
> I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
> about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
> make your airbags go off too.
With the comment he made it sounds as if he did set his airbag off, the
hot air one.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "RonB" wrote:
>
>> They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has
> abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was
> excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other
> equipment.
>
> No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table
> saws.
>
> End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg
> State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top-
> end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started
> cutting wood in this High School years ago.
> -------------------------------
>
> Just a thought.
>
> I wonder if there is a reduction in liability insurance premium for
> switching to SawStop, and if so, what is the time involved to recover the
> SawStop investment?
>
> Any insurance people on board the list?
I would think unlikely that a discount for liability would be offered. The
TS is only one of the machines in a typical shop that can cause serious
injury. A jointer, lathe, and or a shaper are a few that can do as much
harm as a TS.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology) courses
> have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace all ten (10),
> 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw with new SawStop
> units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
>
Great. We now have brand new safe saws but we won't let anyone use them.
m II wrote:
> Bullshit!
>
> (easy huh?)
>
> Amateur talk.
>
Stalker.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Apr 6, 3:39=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
> courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
> all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
> with new SawStop units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
I'm glad you are still able to offer classes. You have such a great
program.
Tom Walz
Carbide Processors
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>> surmise.
>>
>>
>>I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>
>Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
>about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
>make your airbags go off too.
I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
--
I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
--Duke Ellington
m II wrote:
> WTF are you babbling about this time?
>
> Perhaps the Saw-Stop mechanisms are defective from manufacturing date.
> How are they tested to insure proper functioning? No? Shouldn't safety
> devices have a method of testing if people's health depend on them?
> Perhaps it only a scam to increase the price of the saws and control
> the market. After all it is an USAnian patent. They are real easy to
> get for perpetual motion machines.
>
Ahhh - my personal stalker raises his head again and continues to make a
complete ass of himself.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:26:18 -0500, "[email protected]"
>Drug companies are trying to force their product on everyone? Well, perhaps
>the Mexican "drug companies"...
You're not getting my point. The drug companies are one of the most
mercenary businesses around. There's very little they won't do to get
their way. Every other topic is discussed here, but the drug companies
seem to get a pass. Why is that?
In reality, compared to US drug Companies, SawStop and Steven Gass are
saints. But, Gass is cursed and labeled as the devil. It doesn't make
sense that one gets a by, but the other is essentially ignored. Maybe
you Americans are so used to being gouged by the drug companies that
you just let it go. ?????
On 1/22/2012 2:31 PM, Bill wrote:
> steamer wrote:
>> --Fuck 'em all. I've got a Saw Stop and I'm glad of it. I'd never go
>> back to another brand; damn well made and still evolving, with a team of
>> engineers that are happy to talk to end users and act on their
>> experiences.
>> Now that's uncommon and welcome.
>>
>
> ...think they are motivated by and acting that way because of their
> greater love for humanity? If I see more eagerness to share the
> technology I'll believe you. The industry could see a lot more saws.
Well once the Saw Stop people have your money they really don't have to
go any farther except to make an excuse for your problems.
What other current TS manufacturer goes as far as Saw Stop apparently
does after the sale?
More than 25 km?
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"Leon" wrote in message
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Well once the Saw Stop people have your money they really don't have to
go any farther except to make an excuse for your problems.
What other current TS manufacturer goes as far as Saw Stop apparently
does after the sale?
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:51:07 -0600, Leon wrote:
> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>
>>
> You would be wrong to doubt that. Google to find comments from
> commercial shop owners.
Indeed. I know of one local commercial cabinet shop that had over 10 of
them the last time I talked to them about 3 years ago. They probably
have more by now.
Their employees do repetitive work all day and get careless. According
to their equipment maintenance guy, he replaces a SawStop cartridge about
once a month. According to him, they've paid for the saws many times in
reduced Workmans Comp claims.
OTOH, I agree with those who object to the maker pushing for a law
requiring the use of his invention. Maybe we should push for one making
the technique public domain in the interest of public safety :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On 1/17/12 12:23 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good
>>>>> chance
>>>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>>>> surmise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>>
>>> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>>> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>>> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>>> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>>
>> What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
>>> about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
>>> make your airbags go off too.
>>
>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>
> Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to
> compress the airbag switch.
I don't think the bumpers have anything to do with the system.
I think they all have inertia sensors (as another poster stated).
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
Larry, car alarms yes, but only in the movies will you see air bags
deploy from someone hitting a parked car with a 2X4.
--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 1/17/2012 10:23 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Steve Barker wrote:
>> On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Steve Barker" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
>>> technology, best get on board and embrace it.
>>>
>>> It's not going away.
>>>
>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>
>> there will never be one in my shop.
>
> That is certainly your choice. Probably won't be one in mine either, since
> I don't see the need to replace my saw. All of that said - Lew is
> completely wrong in his statement that the insurance industry is driving
> this. Evidence, please...
>
Another fine mess you've gotten us into . . . brought to you by
lawyers. If you want the facts look up Osario / lawsuit / Ryobi
--
___________________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G
remove the seven
steamer wrote:
> --Fuck 'em all. I've got a Saw Stop and I'm glad of it. I'd never go
> back to another brand; damn well made and still evolving, with a team of
> engineers that are happy to talk to end users and act on their experiences.
> Now that's uncommon and welcome.
>
...think they are motivated by and acting that way because of their
greater love for humanity? If I see more eagerness to share the
technology I'll believe you. The industry could see a lot more saws.
Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:31:35 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...think they are motivated by and acting that way because of their
>> greater love for humanity? If I see more eagerness to share the
>> technology I'll believe you. The industry could see a lot more saws.
>
> You could apply the same thought to the drug industry. They're in
> business to make money. The idea that their product can help people is
> just a passing consideration and wherever possible, they fight the
> production of generic drugs. They're loath to share any part of their
> product. Pretty close comparison don't you think?
>
Yes, I think it's a fair comparison. Neither industry is likely more
charitable than the other. The exceptions, usually individuals, stand out.
The CEO's of major corps make tens of millions of dollars per year, in
many cases at the expense of their exployees. It's a fine kettle of fish
we've cooked.
On 1/22/2012 5:04 PM, Bill wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> Yes, I think it's a fair comparison. Neither industry is likely more
> charitable than the other. The exceptions, usually individuals, stand out.
Why would an industry need to be "charitable?" They do enough providing
customers what they need/want at a price the customers can afford, and
employ tons of people doing it.
> The CEO's of major corps make tens of millions of dollars per year, in
> many cases at the expense of their exployees. It's a fine kettle of fish
> we've cooked.
I recall long ago that one local filthy, stinking rich guy in Pgh. was
the CEO of several large companies. I mentioned to someone that if a
job was so hard that it payed millions, how could this guy have several
jobs as CEO for different companies. The guy I was talking to noted
that this filthy, stinking rich guy had lots of friends, and one day he
went to Europe for lunch with a few of his friends. When he came back he
had a contract worth $100 million a year for the company. He got the
contract because he knew other stinking, filthy rich people. Both the
company, and it's employee's benefited greatly from this "cheap at any
price" CEO. At that time, employee's were smarter and more appreciative
than the dumb fucks clogging up wall street today.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com
As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
to do with a school shop program.
In Pennsylvania as in many (if not all) states there is the legal
concept of Tort Immunities for state government (of which schools
really are even if they seem to be local). In PA that essentially
means that we are exempt from tort liability unless the liability
results from improper care and maintenance of real estate. That means
we would be exempt from liability for a kid cutting off their hand on
the saw, unless it happened because he tripped on some defect in the
floor that should not have existed. Of course judges tend to be
extremely liberal (on the plaintiffs side) in deciding what was caused
by improper care and maintenance of real estate.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:09:26 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"RonB" wrote:
>
>> They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has
>abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was
>excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other
>equipment.
>
>No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table
>saws.
>
>End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg
>State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top-
>end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started
>cutting wood in this High School years ago.
>-------------------------------
>
>Just a thought.
>
>I wonder if there is a reduction in liability insurance premium for
>switching to SawStop, and if so, what is the time involved to recover
>the SawStop investment?
>
>Any insurance people on board the list?
>
>Lew
>
Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:05:29 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> I don't think so Dave. There is not much noise at all about
>> insurance companies driving this.
>
> There doesn't have to be noise about it Mike, but I know it's in the
> back of the minds of every business owner. As it should be if money
> and/or injuries are of a possible concern.
>
> When Robin Lee was giving me a tour of the new Toronto flagship store
> a few years ago, part of that tour included the seminar rooms. When I
> commented on the SawStop in one of the rooms, he commented that he'd
> be adding SawStops to all his Lee Valley Tool stores.
>
> What other reason could there be for doing this? The public and his
> employees would be using this saw. It was a protective act and that's
> what insurance is all about ~ protection against something
> unfortunate.
Certainly, the saw offers something that other saws do not, and that is the
natural attraction for it. That though is different from insurance
companies pushing or mandating it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:05:29 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>I don't think so Dave. There is not much noise at all about insurance
>companies driving this.
There doesn't have to be noise about it Mike, but I know it's in the
back of the minds of every business owner. As it should be if money
and/or injuries are of a possible concern.
When Robin Lee was giving me a tour of the new Toronto flagship store
a few years ago, part of that tour included the seminar rooms. When I
commented on the SawStop in one of the rooms, he commented that he'd
be adding SawStops to all his Lee Valley Tool stores.
What other reason could there be for doing this? The public and his
employees would be using this saw. It was a protective act and that's
what insurance is all about ~ protection against something
unfortunate.
He didn't
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"Dave" wrote in message
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When Robin Lee was giving me a tour of the new Toronto flagship store
a few years ago, part of that tour included the seminar rooms. When I
commented on the SawStop in one of the rooms, he commented that he'd
be adding SawStops to all his Lee Valley Tool stores.
What other reason could there be for doing this? The public and his
employees would be using this saw. It was a protective act and that's
what insurance is all about ~ protection against something
unfortunate.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, phorbin <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
>> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
>> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
>> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
>> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
>> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
>> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
>> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
>> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
>> to do with a school shop program.
>
>You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
>stop function with a hot dog?
Well it has been a long time since I posted this and the sawstops
were purchased in or about 2008 or 2009. To my knowledge they have not
been activated even once. Certainly they have not been activated
enough to use the cartridges that came with the saws as I would have
had to approve any POs for replacements. Read into that anything you
want about the saws, the kids, the teachers and the program.
I won't copy your lies. Try to act grown up Davey.
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"Dave" wrote in message
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You couldn't know. A few years ago, you weren't old enough to tie your
own shoes. Are you able to tie them now?
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:03:43 -0500, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
>He didn't
You couldn't know. A few years ago, you weren't old enough to tie your
own shoes. Are you able to tie them now?
On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:11:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 1/17/2012 12:27 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 1/17/2012 12:25 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Larry Jaques" wrote
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I figured that out early on. I'm just hoping my Tundra bags are
>>>> set to INSENSITIVE, because I drive over curbs and such in my daily
>>>> driving.
>>>>
>>> Need new glasses?
>>
>> LOL ... thinking the same thing.
>>
>
>I totally missed that. I was trying to set his mind at ease when I
>probably should have reported his driving habits the the local authorities!
I'm immune. One of my first handyman jobs here was setting up a huge
playground station/swingset for a local cop's kids. <bseg>
--
The human brain is unique in that it is the only container of which
it can be said that the more you put into it, the more it will hold.
-- Glenn Doman
New avoidance technique for your "issues"?
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
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Stalker.
WTF are you babbling about this time?
Perhaps the Saw-Stop mechanisms are defective from manufacturing date.
How are they tested to insure proper functioning? No? Shouldn't safety
devices have a method of testing if people's health depend on them?
Perhaps it only a scam to increase the price of the saws and control
the market. After all it is an USAnian patent. They are real easy to
get for perpetual motion machines.
-----------
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
that is indeed a good report, but that report also says something
else -
they have not had any acciedental contacts between a finger and a
blade.
Though I am a supporter of the SawStop technology, this report does
nothing
at all to advocate it.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Seems to me, the saw company could provide the parts Pro-bono one every
year. The only downside is getting all classes there at once -
but for shop classes - Saturday or before school starts would be easy.
I taught a 2 year, 2 hour program in Electronics. Industrial kind, not
Radio/Tv. There was a shop for that. The tricky stuff for me was high
voltage, high current and sometimes both. I gave some good demo's that
opened eyes and after a couple of 'bites' on lower voltages they knew
when to talk girls and when to grit teeth and do the work.
The nice thing, it was over 30 years since I taught in the High School
and I get a student every now and then spot me on the net and sends
an email. Lots of good men came out and lots of them would not have
gotten a GED but managed a real one. I taught math for electronics -
as the math classes were later in the year for the subjects - and the
first few years the math teachers looked me up. What did you do to xxx
- my SAT kids don't know what he does.
Good plans and good laws. Head shed wants to keep Tort zero so they
keep up with the shops. Cool.
Martin
On 4/10/2011 9:19 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, phorbin<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
>>> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
>>> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
>>> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
>>> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
>>> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
>>> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
>>> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
>>> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
>>> to do with a school shop program.
>>
>> You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
>> stop function with a hot dog?
>
> I would hope so!
>
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:50:51 -0500, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:31:35 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>...think they are motivated by and acting that way because of their
>>greater love for humanity? If I see more eagerness to share the
>>technology I'll believe you. The industry could see a lot more saws.
>
>You could apply the same thought to the drug industry. They're in
>business to make money. The idea that their product can help people is
>just a passing consideration and wherever possible, they fight the
>production of generic drugs. They're loath to share any part of their
>product. Pretty close comparison don't you think?
Drug companies are trying to force their product on everyone? Well, perhaps
the Mexican "drug companies"...
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:31:35 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>...think they are motivated by and acting that way because of their
>greater love for humanity? If I see more eagerness to share the
>technology I'll believe you. The industry could see a lot more saws.
You could apply the same thought to the drug industry. They're in
business to make money. The idea that their product can help people is
just a passing consideration and wherever possible, they fight the
production of generic drugs. They're loath to share any part of their
product. Pretty close comparison don't you think?
On 1/17/2012 8:50 AM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Steve Barker" wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>> ----------------------------------
>> Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
>> technology, best get on board and embrace it.
>>
>> It's not going away.
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> there will never be one in my shop.
>
Yeah I said that about cordless drills over 9.6 volts. That was a silly
thought.
On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>>> surmise.
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>
>> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>
> What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>
>
>> I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
>> about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
>> make your airbags go off too.
>
> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to
compress the airbag switch.
On 1/16/2012 11:05 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Steve Barker" wrote:
>
>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
> ----------------------------------
> Since the insurance industry is driving the installation of the
> technology, best get on board and embrace it.
>
> It's not going away.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
there will never be one in my shop.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good chance
>>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>>> surmise.
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>
>> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>
> What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>
>
>> I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
>> about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
>> make your airbags go off too.
>
> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>
> --
> I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
> --Duke Ellington
about $800-$1000 for an airbag replacement. But you can chalk what you
saw up to movie magic. The air bag circuit is only alive with the key on.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
-MIKE- wrote the following:
> On 1/17/12 12:23 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/17/2012 8:47 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:07:03 -0500, Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:19:08 -0600, Steve Barker
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/16/2012 8:59 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>>> Great. I think the saw is an excellent tool, and has a very good
>>>>>> chance
>>>>>> of saving more than a finger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear that it is working and not firing off randomly has many
>>>>>> surmise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I doubt any of them are actually being used in any serious wood fab
>>>>> shops. I could false trip that junk bastard in less than an hour.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, they are. Our Workman's Comp insurance carrier is
>>>> advocating their use and has managed to get a few places to switch to
>>>> them. Talking to the guy that visits our plant, he told me on one
>>>> instance of a trip where it saved a serious injury.
>>>
>>> What kind of premium reduction are they giving for doing so?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can make it false trip, but I'm sure if you were serious
>>>> about its use, you'd also prevent that from happening. I bet you can
>>>> make your airbags go off too.
>>>
>>> I once saw a movie where a gangbanger was walking down the street,
>>> hitting front bumpers with a tubafore and setting off all the airbags
>>> and car alarms. That's probably as expensive as keying the paint.
>>
>> Yeah, that was a "Movie". Typically bumpers have got to be slid back to
>> compress the airbag switch.
>
> I don't think the bumpers have anything to do with the system.
> I think they all have inertia sensors (as another poster stated).
My 97 Nissan PU struck a pregnant whitetail deer one night at about 50
mph. I was about a half mile from home and the radiator was leaking, so
I drove it home then called the police. Over $4k in damages. My truck
has only a driver airbag and it didn't inflate.
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7033/truck2d.jpg
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I would think unlikely that a discount for liability would be offered.
> The TS is only one of the machines in a typical shop that can cause
> serious injury. A jointer, lathe, and or a shaper are a few that can do
> as much harm as a TS.
>
Insurance companies are pushing the use of Saw Stop technology though. I
know our Workman's Comp carrier is strongly recommending their customers
change over to them. It is just one of many factors in evaluating a company
for rates/coverage.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:24:23 -0500, phorbin <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>> As a school district business manager (in Pennsylvania) I always have
>> to wonder about these stories. I have never had an insurance agent ask
>> about our tablesaws. The paperwork filled out each year as we get
>> insurance quotes from various firms is very extensive, but that item
>> is NOT questioned. We did however not long ago replace our 1950s
>> unisaws with SawStops when we renovated our High School as that seemed
>> the appropriate thing to provide to a bunch of hormone driven,
>> inexperienced kids that we were going to have using tablesaws. Safety
>> is clearly an extremely important consideration in all things having
>> to do with a school shop program.
>
>You are going to make the kids or their parents pay for testing the saw
>stop function with a hot dog?
I would hope so!
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:09:26 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"RonB" wrote:
>
>> They are speaking all over the place. Our rural high school has
>abandoned plans to re-start their wood program. Years ago it was
>excellent and they still have some pretty good Unisaws and other
>equipment.
>
>No-go with the boards lawyers. Too much risk without replacing table
>saws.
>
>End of story; which is especially tragic since we have the Pittsburg
>State University Wood Technology program 30 miles away, and two top-
>end cabinet makers here in town. The owners of those shops started
>cutting wood in this High School years ago.
>-------------------------------
>
>Just a thought.
>
>I wonder if there is a reduction in liability insurance premium for
>switching to SawStop, and if so, what is the time involved to recover
>the SawStop investment?
I wonder how many cities and school districts are self-insured.
>Any insurance people on board the list?
Did they mention when the sale was taking place on the old saws?
On 04/06/2011 06:39 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Just received notice from Cerritos College that because of California
> state budget cuts, all summer WMT (Wood Manufacturing Technology)
> courses have been canceled; however, money has been found to replace
> all ten (10), 10" table saws, which includes General, PM66 and Unisaw
> with new SawStop units.
>
> Would appear the lawyers have spoken.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
>