This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
are not clogs.
It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
works well.
Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
Michael Joel wrote:
>
> Fill both sides and then release them together.
> If both don't work then? I would still think it is a vent.
>
Nope - just the opposite. The entire sink is vented with a single vent. If
one side flows well then it's not a vent problem. You have a clog.
> If the bad side still won't drain but the good side does, may be the
> plunger.
Perhaps, but smart money says it's a clog.
> I dislike some of those. It is like they don't get out of the
> way enough and (as you say) a bubble seems to form that blocks the
> water.
Methinks you're too hung up on this bubble idea. I do not think there is a
bubble.
The bigger question - why not just get into this damned thing and find out
what's really wrong? The problem with posting stuff like this to a forum in
simply that it gets carried away in discussion and all that is really
necessary (often...) is to just dig in and do the freakin' work.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 2/22/2012 8:56 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
>> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
>> the overflow fails.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> my bathroom sink has no overflow circuit. Wonder why it works so well?
>
Because a clogged over flow introduces a problem, "up stream" if it is
clogged. A sink with no over flow has not up stream to becomd clogged.
A clogged over flow will create a vacuum.
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>
> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
> are not clogs.
>
> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
> plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
> works well.
>
> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will drain
very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
repeat.
Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
Mike
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>
> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
> are not clogs.
>
How did you go about checking it out to determine that there are no clogs?
> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
> everything works well.
I can't get my head around what you mean by the edge of the drain. Can you
put that a different way? I'm guessing that you mean between the top of the
drain (the bottom of the sink basin) and the drain stop? If that's a
correct understanding, there is no real way for a bubble to form there. I'd
hang my hat on a clog, even though you say you've investigated that.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:ji1qcq$kjd$1
@speranza.aioe.org:
>
> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
> venting problem.
>
> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>
> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
> moved in.
No idea how this is run... but have you put a level on the drain pipes and
made sure everything under the sink is running down?
Puckdropper
--
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:54:16 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/21/2012 10:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>> venting problem.
>
>How about, in the interest of not wasting other people's time ... and
>since there might be other vital bits of information being left to an
>afterthought ... how about taking a picture of the plumbing (clearly
>showing the connections of both sinks to the p-trap, and which is
>which), and post it somewhere it can be viewed.
What's wrong with you, Swingy? Injecting logic into a rec.woodworking
discussion on plumbing? What were you _thinking_?
P.S: Whenever I call a RotoRooter man, I ask first: Do you clean out
all the vents and lines in the house for that $70 price? They usually
do and I do have them get up on the roof to do 'em all. I have also
put screens over the vents (twisted wire holding them on so it's easy
to remove/reinstall) to keep insects and debris out. The redwood is
the worst debris dropper.
(This is after I've tried my 25-footer to no avail.)
--
Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are
based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
I have received and am still receiving.
-- Albert Einstein
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 11:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>>> drain
>>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>>
>>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>>> repeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>>
>>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>>> venting problem.
>>>>
>>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>>
>>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>>> moved in.
>>>
>>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>>> that the
>>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
>>>
>>
>> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
>> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
>> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>>
>> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
>> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
>> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
>> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
>> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>>
>> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
>> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>>
>> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>>
>> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
>> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
>> the overflow fails.
>>
>
> I want to apologize to Gerald Ross who actually made the suggestion
> about the sink overflow, I followed the wrong line to see who made the
> actual suggestion.
>
> I also want to thank Gerald Ross for the tip that solved my problem
>
> I also want to thank Joel and all of the others who helped me solve the
> mystery of the burping drain.
>
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Glad it worked out.
--
Gerald Ross
Confusion not only reigns, it pours
On 2/21/2012 10:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
> venting problem.
How about, in the interest of not wasting other people's time ... and
since there might be other vital bits of information being left to an
afterthought ... how about taking a picture of the plumbing (clearly
showing the connections of both sinks to the p-trap, and which is
which), and post it somewhere it can be viewed.
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On 2/22/2012 11:21 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/22/12 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>>> drain
>>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>>
>>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>>> repeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>>
>>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>>> venting problem.
>>>>
>>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>>
>>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>>> moved in.
>>>
>>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>>> that the
>>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the
>>> overflow.
>>>
>>
>> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
>> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
>> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>>
>> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
>> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
>> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
>> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
>> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>>
>> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
>> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>>
>> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>>
>> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
>> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
>> the overflow fails.
>>
>
> Do not think for a second that this thread has ended just because the
> problem has been solved. :-)
>
>
No Shit! As the problem very well could come back and we need to talk
about that until sometime Friday!
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Michael Joel wrote:
>
>
>>Fill both sides and then release them together.
>>If both don't work then? I would still think it is a vent.
>>
>
>
> Nope - just the opposite. The entire sink is vented with a single vent. If
> one side flows well then it's not a vent problem. You have a clog.
>
>
Yes of course there will be one vent.
But... I can not specifically recall - but seems - possible for one sink
to act kind of like a vent for the other side.
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>
>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>> are not clogs.
>>>
>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>> everything works well.
>>>
>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>
>>
>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will drain
>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>
>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>> repeat.
>>
>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>
>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
> venting problem.
>
> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>
> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
> moved in.
Maybe:
Fill both sides and then release them together.
If both don't work then? I would still think it is a vent.
If the bad side still won't drain but the good side does, may be the
plunger. I dislike some of those. It is like they don't get out of the
way enough and (as you say) a bubble seems to form that blocks the
water. Try removing it. One some they pop out, on some you turn it and
lift out, on some I don't know.
Could be a slow drain (not clogged but closed up enough to slow it
down). How is it piped? Does each side have a trap or share a common
trap? If they share it then of course a clog is less likely.
Mike
On 2/21/2012 6:59 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>
> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
> are not clogs.
>
> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
> plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
> works well.
>
> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
Sounds like the "vent" is clogged.
On 2/23/2012 6:15 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/23/2012 3:30 PM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>
>> Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Glad it worked out.
>
> LOL!
>
> I'm laughing, because back when we, and Leon and his wife et al, were
> playing Canasta with a vengeance (instead of the current fixation with
> dominoes), we all earned names that pretty much told the story of our
> gamesmanship/abilities.
>
> Mine, being generally at the back of the pack when it comes to winning
> in social games, was "Blind Hog".
>
> Leon, being the cunning dude he is, was aptly called "Snake".
> (Particularly apt when considering he is the permanent, perennial and
> official scorekeeper). :)
>
>
Hey! You cook the supper, I cook the books! ;~)
On 2/22/2012 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>
>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>
>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>> drain
>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>
>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>> repeat.
>>>>
>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>
>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>> venting problem.
>>>
>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>
>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>> moved in.
>>
>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>> that the
>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
>>
>
> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>
> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>
> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>
> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>
> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
> the overflow fails.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
my bathroom sink has no overflow circuit. Wonder why it works so well?
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On 2/23/2012 3:30 PM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Glad it worked out.
LOL!
I'm laughing, because back when we, and Leon and his wife et al, were
playing Canasta with a vengeance (instead of the current fixation with
dominoes), we all earned names that pretty much told the story of our
gamesmanship/abilities.
Mine, being generally at the back of the pack when it comes to winning
in social games, was "Blind Hog".
Leon, being the cunning dude he is, was aptly called "Snake".
(Particularly apt when considering he is the permanent, perennial and
official scorekeeper). :)
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Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>
> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
> are not clogs.
>
> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
> plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
> works well.
>
> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
Sounds like the vent might be obstructed; head up onto the roof with a flashlight and have a look. If
air can't get into the drain, water can't get out.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>>
>> The sink has a standard plunger that when you raise the rod on the
>> top of the sink allows the plunger to go down into the drain in the
>> bottom of the sink to close it.
>>
>> With out the plunger, the sink always takes all of the water I can
>> put into it.
>>
>> When the bubble forms, you can get it our by moving the plunger. The
>> bubble seems to form between the plunger and the lip which it sits
>> down into.
>>
>> This in only one half of the double sink in the bathroom the other
>> side works well.
>
> Keith - this has to be a clog of some sort. Back to my original
> question - how did you accertain that the drain was clear and not
> clogged? Each sink has its own trap and run to a common line - right?
> If so, it really seems like the problem sink has a clog - which would
> most likely be in the trap or between the trap and any angles in the
> drain.
IMNSHO, it's the plunger. If it doesn't raise much, not enough water
flows down to generate a siphon of sorts. Adjust the plunger to go up a
little more and the sink will drain properly. I have the same problem
with our single sink in this 80-odd year old house (probably a mid-50's
redo of the bathroom). The darn plunger always slides off the lifting
mechanism just a little and then it drains oh so slowly.
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Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>Once the
> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
> sink.
That's exactly why I'm completely sure that it IS a venting problem.
Michael Joel <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>> Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Fill both sides and then release them together.
>>>If both don't work then? I would still think it is a vent.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nope - just the opposite. The entire sink is vented with a single
>> vent. If one side flows well then it's not a vent problem. You have
>> a clog.
>>
>>
>
> Yes of course there will be one vent.
> But... I can not specifically recall - but seems - possible for one
> sink to act kind of like a vent for the other side.
>
I think that's what's happening here: the sink that's not working is venting through the trap of the one
that is.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> I think that's what's happening here: the sink that's not working is
>> venting through the trap of the one that is.
>
> Not likely Doug. The sink that is working can't vent the one that
> isn't - its trap is full of water. That's the purpose of a trap - to
> prevent that kind of breathing.
>
That's exactly why I think that *is* what's happening: the "burp" the OP describes occurs when the
suction in the problem sink pulls air through the trap of the other one.
Easy enough for the OP to determine if that's the problem or not: remove the trap from the sink that
works, dump the water out of it, reinstall, and test the problem sink. If it works, I'm right. If the problem
persists, I'm wrong.
On 2/22/2012 6:56 AM, Han wrote:
>
> IMNSHO, it's the plunger. If it doesn't raise much, not enough water
> flows down to generate a siphon of sorts. Adjust the plunger to go up a
> little more and the sink will drain properly. I have the same problem
> with our single sink in this 80-odd year old house (probably a mid-50's
> redo of the bathroom). The darn plunger always slides off the lifting
> mechanism just a little and then it drains oh so slowly.
With more and more necessary information added with each new OP post,
this now indeed appears to be the source of the problem.
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On 2/22/2012 10:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> What's wrong with you, Swingy? Injecting logic into a rec.woodworking
> discussion on plumbing? What were you _thinking_?
Reminds of someone asking for internet help in getting their car
started, foregoing to mention the fact there's no engine.
Until you know ALL the pertinent factors, there will be nothing but
noise and irrelevant bullshit.
Hey ... that does sound kinda like rec.woodworking, now that you mention
it. :)
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On 2/21/2012 7:59 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>
> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
> are not clogs.
>
> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
> plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
> works well.
>
> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
If this is a bathroom sink hair could be wrapped around the plunger in
the side that doesn't drain properly. This wouldn't show up when
examining the trap.
John
On 2/22/2012 11:21 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> Do not think for a second that this thread has ended just because the
> problem has been solved. :-)
LOL ... it won't be over until the plumbing bill is paid to the rightful
"winners", and the blame is ultimately placed where it belongs:
It is Butch's fault! (stated with your best Hispanic accent)
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my
> question about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who
> responded.
> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow
> that is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
Kudos to Michael Joel!
>
> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
No - say it ain't so Joe - not a freakin' clog!!! Although, I'll give both
you and Michael this - I would not have looked at the overflow at first
glance either.
>
> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
Thank you? Is that all ya got? Hell - you owe this guy a beer!
>
> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working
> on them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now
> than when the overflow fails.
Oh - you chicken...
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> The sink has a standard plunger that when you raise the rod on the top
> of the sink allows the plunger to go down into the drain in the bottom
> of the sink to close it.
>
> With out the plunger, the sink always takes all of the water I can put
> into it.
>
> When the bubble forms, you can get it our by moving the plunger. The
> bubble seems to form between the plunger and the lip which it sits
> down into.
>
> This in only one half of the double sink in the bathroom the other
> side works well.
Keith - this has to be a clog of some sort. Back to my original question -
how did you accertain that the drain was clear and not clogged? Each sink
has its own trap and run to a common line - right? If so, it really seems
like the problem sink has a clog - which would most likely be in the trap or
between the trap and any angles in the drain.
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> I have taken the trap off and checked the pipe. There appears to be
> nothing in the pipe. After reassembling, the drain flowed as it
> should without the plunger.
>
> When you wiggle the plunger you can see the air bubbles come out.
Geeze - that just keeps pointing to something in the tailpiece or the waste
line Keith - at least to me. The vent is nowhere near the stopper so I just
can't see this being a vent problem - especially since the other basin does
not have the same problem. Sinks will drain just fine without a vent even
installed given the larger size of pipe that they drain into. I think
people would be surprised at how many sinks are not vented due to mistakes
made during plumbing installation, etc. and they just don't behave like
this.
Have you tried to snake this drain yet?
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Doug Miller wrote:
> I think that's what's happening here: the sink that's not working is
> venting through the trap of the one that is.
Not likely Doug. The sink that is working can't vent the one that isn't -
its trap is full of water. That's the purpose of a trap - to prevent that
kind of breathing.
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On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>
>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>> are not clogs.
>>
>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>> everything works well.
>>
>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>
> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will drain
> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>
> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
> repeat.
>
> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>
> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>
> Mike
OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
venting problem.
I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
moved in.
On 2/21/2012 8:18 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>
>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>> are not clogs.
>>
>
> How did you go about checking it out to determine that there are no clogs?
>
>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>> everything works well.
>
> I can't get my head around what you mean by the edge of the drain. Can you
> put that a different way? I'm guessing that you mean between the top of the
> drain (the bottom of the sink basin) and the drain stop? If that's a
> correct understanding, there is no real way for a bubble to form there. I'd
> hang my hat on a clog, even though you say you've investigated that.
>
>
The sink has a standard plunger that when you raise the rod on the top
of the sink allows the plunger to go down into the drain in the bottom
of the sink to close it.
With out the plunger, the sink always takes all of the water I can put
into it.
When the bubble forms, you can get it our by moving the plunger. The
bubble seems to form between the plunger and the lip which it sits down
into.
This in only one half of the double sink in the bathroom the other side
works well.
On 2/21/2012 11:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>>
>> The sink has a standard plunger that when you raise the rod on the top
>> of the sink allows the plunger to go down into the drain in the bottom
>> of the sink to close it.
>>
>> With out the plunger, the sink always takes all of the water I can put
>> into it.
>>
>> When the bubble forms, you can get it our by moving the plunger. The
>> bubble seems to form between the plunger and the lip which it sits
>> down into.
>>
>> This in only one half of the double sink in the bathroom the other
>> side works well.
>
> Keith - this has to be a clog of some sort. Back to my original question -
> how did you accertain that the drain was clear and not clogged? Each sink
> has its own trap and run to a common line - right? If so, it really seems
> like the problem sink has a clog - which would most likely be in the trap or
> between the trap and any angles in the drain.
>
I have taken the trap off and checked the pipe. There appears to be
nothing in the pipe. After reassembling, the drain flowed as it should
without the plunger.
When you wiggle the plunger you can see the air bubbles come out.
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/21/2012 8:18 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post
>>> here are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question
>>> here We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the
>>> upstairs bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it
>>> out and there are not clogs.
>>>
>>
>> How did you go about checking it out to determine that there are no
>> clogs?
>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>> everything works well.
>>
>> I can't get my head around what you mean by the edge of the drain. Can
>> you put that a different way? I'm guessing that you mean
>> between the top of the drain (the bottom of the sink basin) and the
>> drain stop? If that's a correct understanding, there is no real way
>> for a bubble to form there. I'd hang my hat on a clog, even though
>> you say you've investigated that.
>
> The sink has a standard plunger that when you raise the rod on the top
> of the sink allows the plunger to go down into the drain in the bottom
> of the sink to close it.
>
> With out the plunger, the sink always takes all of the water I can put
> into it.
>
> When the bubble forms, you can get it our by moving the plunger. The
> bubble seems to form between the plunger and the lip which it sits
> down into.
>
> This in only one half of the double sink in the bathroom the other
> side works well.
Until your last sentence, I was thinking that the vent might be
obstructed...not enough air for the water to leave the basin easily. Might
still be that, hard to know without seeing how the drain is set up.
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On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>
>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>
>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>> everything works well.
>>>>
>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>
>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will drain
>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>
>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>> repeat.
>>>
>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>
>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>> venting problem.
>>
>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>
>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>> moved in.
>
> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check that the
> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
>
In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than
when the overflow fails.
On 2/22/2012 11:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>
>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>
>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>> drain
>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>
>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>> repeat.
>>>>
>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>
>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>> venting problem.
>>>
>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>
>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>> moved in.
>>
>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>> that the
>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
>>
>
> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>
> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>
> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>
> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>
> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
> the overflow fails.
>
I want to apologize to Gerald Ross who actually made the suggestion
about the sink overflow, I followed the wrong line to see who made the
actual suggestion.
I also want to thank Gerald Ross for the tip that solved my problem
I also want to thank Joel and all of the others who helped me solve the
mystery of the burping drain.
On 2/22/12 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>
>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>
>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>> drain
>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>
>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>> repeat.
>>>>
>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>
>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>> venting problem.
>>>
>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>
>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>> moved in.
>>
>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>> that the
>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
>>
>
> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>
> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>
> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>
> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>
> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
> the overflow fails.
>
Do not think for a second that this thread has ended just because the
problem has been solved. :-)
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On 2/22/2012 12:21 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/22/12 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 8:32 AM, Gerald Ross wrote:
>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>>>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>>>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>>>>> are not clogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>>>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>>>>> everything works well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>>>>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>>>>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will
>>>>> drain
>>>>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>>>>
>>>>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>>>>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>>>>> repeat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>>>>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>>>>
>>>>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>>>>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>>>>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
>>>> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
>>>> venting problem.
>>>>
>>>> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
>>>> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
>>>> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>>>>
>>>> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
>>>> moved in.
>>>
>>> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
>>> that the
>>> hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the
>>> overflow.
>>>
>>
>> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
>> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
>> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>>
>> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
>> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
>> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
>> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
>> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>>
>> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
>> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>>
>> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>>
>> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
>> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
>> the overflow fails.
>>
>
> Do not think for a second that this thread has ended just because the
> problem has been solved. :-)
>
>
Having followed this group for many years, I knew I would get an answer
even though it was off topic. However having followed this group for
years, I know two additional things, a thread is not over until the
thread dies not the problem is fixed. I also know that with some
questions, you have to expect some fun with the answers. Why would any
one follow a group that had no humor.
Please remember that I originally gave the wrong person credit for the
solution. Gerald Ross please accept my apology for not crediting you
originally, and thank you for the solution that has be a thorn since we
moved into this house.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:43:52 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/22/2012 10:27 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with you, Swingy? Injecting logic into a rec.woodworking
>> discussion on plumbing? What were you _thinking_?
>
>Reminds of someone asking for internet help in getting their car
>started, foregoing to mention the fact there's no engine.
>
>Until you know ALL the pertinent factors, there will be nothing but
>noise and irrelevant bullshit.
>
>Hey ... that does sound kinda like rec.woodworking, now that you mention
>it. :)
Too much like it. ;)
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 2/21/2012 8:42 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>>
>>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>>> are not clogs.
>>>
>>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and
>>> the plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and
>>> everything works well.
>>>
>>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>>
>> Not a plumber - but have done a lot of "handy man" type work.
>> Agree with Miller. Sounds very much like vent problems.
>> A vent allows air into the drain system - otherwise the water will drain
>> very slowly. It can also effect the commode.
>>
>> How often does it slow down? I would guess (if it is the vent) it will
>> drain good for a few times straight and then act up for a while. Then
>> repeat.
>>
>> Of course - you say the house is 3 years old. Has it done this ever
>> since it was built? If so it could be a fault in the plumbing design.
>>
>> When your on the roof you may find it (don't know where you are) iced
>> over. You also may not see anything at all. I personally would try a
>> snake down it if I didn't see an obvious reason.
>>
>> Mike
>
> OP: I should have added this is on a double bathroom sink, so since one
> always works and the other gets the bubble, my guess is it is not a
> venting problem.
>
> I slows down nearly every time you add water to the sink. Once the
> drain burps it works like a charm as long as you run water into the
> sink. As I said the other half of the double sink always works.
>
> I have only owned the house about 7 months and it has done this since I
> moved in.
There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check
that the
hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down the overflow.
--
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I hate it when that happens.
On 2/21/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Keith Nuttle
>
>> This is slightly off topic but the people on Woodworking who post here
>> are very knowledgeable, so I thought i would asked my question here
>>
>> We live in a house that is 3 years old. The one sink in the upstairs
>> bath room drains very slow some time. I have checked it out and there
>> are not clogs.
>>
>> It seems like it develops a bubble between the edge of the drain and the
>> plunger. If I fiddle with the plunger the drain burps and everything
>> works well.
>>
>> Is there some way to prevent this bubble from forming?
>
> Sounds like the vent might be obstructed; head up onto the roof with a flashlight and have a look. If
> air can't get into the drain, water can't get out.
Bingo! The very first thing to check.
Here's an excellent link for the how's and why's of venting, and how
talk about it when sussing out the problem with a plumber, if needed.
http://inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Plumbing_Vent_Definitions.htm
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On 2/22/2012 10:59 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> In the six months we have owned this house, I had tried most of the
> things that had been suggest by the people who responded to my question
> about my burping drain. I want to thank everyone who responded.
>
> However the winner is Michael Joel who suggested the sink overflow that
> is an integrated into the sink body was plugged. When I read his
> response I knew that was the only thing I had not thought of. I
> immediately went up stairs and ran water into the sink until it was
> above the overflow hole. Guess what IT WAS PLUGGED.
>
> I took the thing apart again and ran a wire into the exit for the
> overflow and cleaned it out. The drain is now working perfectly.
>
> Thank you Joel for the suggestion.
>
> PS I checked the other sinks and to insure the overflows were working on
> them and found no other problems. It is better to find out now than when
> the overflow fails.
Are you sure that wasn't Gerald Ross?, who clearly stated:
> There is some venting through the overflow on bathroom sinks Check >
> that the hole is not stopped up and that water will actually go down
> the overflow.
And again, Doug was correct, as it was indeed a "venting" situation, but
just not with the system vent.
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