I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way the
work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but I
have with some other Jorgensens.
I bought some regular 3700 series clamps quite a long time ago. Since I
recently purchased some CM clamps that come faced with the nice orange
plastic that worked great, I decided to buy some of the orange pads for my
smaller hand clamps.
I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces on a
blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No dice.
Its soaked into the wood.
How the hell do I get this foreign substance out of my wood? I have $300 in
walnut in the blanket chest that will get finished with just a couple coats
of catalyzed lacquer. If this project is ruined, I don't know what the hell
I'll do. I surely don't want to rebuild it. And I know the customer is not
going to be happy waiting for another one.
Anyone know how to treat this problem?
Do you know what caused it? A release agent in the plastic molds?
I tried sanding the faces of the pads and cleaning them. Clamped a test
piece. It still stained the wood.
Are they defective pads? Do they all do this? Anybody have the home phone
number for the president of Jorgensen?
Not a happy customer right now.
Rick
yep, had the same problem with some new "F" clamps. Stained the oak ply
for a cabinet I was making. wasn't too much of a problem this time
since the customer wanted a real dark stain. I did try and sand out one
of the marks just for future reference and it didn't take to much to get
it out.
I assumed it was a plasticzer (sp?) or release agent so i will try and
clean them before the next use.
BRuce
Rick wrote:
> I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way the
> work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but I
> have with some other Jorgensens.
>
> I bought some regular 3700 series clamps quite a long time ago. Since I
> recently purchased some CM clamps that come faced with the nice orange
> plastic that worked great, I decided to buy some of the orange pads for my
> smaller hand clamps.
>
> I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
> spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces on a
> blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
> blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No dice.
> Its soaked into the wood.
>
> How the hell do I get this foreign substance out of my wood? I have $300 in
> walnut in the blanket chest that will get finished with just a couple coats
> of catalyzed lacquer. If this project is ruined, I don't know what the hell
> I'll do. I surely don't want to rebuild it. And I know the customer is not
> going to be happy waiting for another one.
>
> Anyone know how to treat this problem?
>
> Do you know what caused it? A release agent in the plastic molds?
>
> I tried sanding the faces of the pads and cleaning them. Clamped a test
> piece. It still stained the wood.
>
> Are they defective pads? Do they all do this? Anybody have the home phone
> number for the president of Jorgensen?
>
> Not a happy customer right now.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
--
---
BRuce
FWIW -
I've looked at several examples of these 'safety pads' but never actually
*bought* any. Besides being a cheap SOB, I figured they would probably slip
off at the most inopportune time {like the clear plastic ones that came with
the HF clamps}.
Over the years I have 'collected' a pile of 'Tips & Techniques', and a
significant amount of them focus on 'Clamping Aids' {including 'Pads'}.
Combine that with a 'tight-wad attitude' that creates boxes of small wood
scraps, carpet pieces {indoor & out}, and rolls of 'Slip-Knot', and I have
all the 'Clamping Pads' I'll ever need.
Do I qualify to contribute to this thread if I paint them RED ?
Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS: Put them in a sealed plastic 'Sandwich' bag. Leave if in a warm place
for a few days. If you see interior 'condensation' it is most likely the
plastizer outgassing. I would ask the 'Tech Department' what the chemistry
is . . they may be able to tell you specifically what solvent to use. I
would also complain to the Sales & Marketing Department . . . there should
be a customer alert to the effect, "NOTE -NOT to be used for unfinished
wood . . .", etc. The only other suggestion I have is . . . try to 'Steam
out' what ever it is from the wood}
Leon wrote:
> Sounds strange to me. Mine have never doen that and I have those little
> orange cover also but they are 20+ years old. I wonder if yours could
> have become contaminated some how and absorbed oil themselves prior to you
> buying
> them.. Good luck..
Mine aren't nearly that old, but I used them right after buying them a few
years ago. Maybe not the same stuff. Mine are the ones to fit over Pony
clamps. That's the same company, isn't it?
I've had problems when I stupidly clamped directly over a glue line, but
I've never seen any sort of chemical/color leach out of the things, and I
have several of them bought at several different times over a span of a few
years.
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"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've given them two days to reply, and I have yet to hear anything further
> than the first email reply that I posted. Obviously not stellar customer
> service. I'm very disappointed in the Adjustable Clamp because of the way
> they have handled this situation. I really didn't expect them to ignore
me.
>
> If they had apologized for the problem and offered to refund me for the
> product, I would have been happy. Now, with each passing day, I grow a bit
> more bitter over the whole situation.
>
> Rick
Ah Rick, life it too short to grow more bitter. Mark this up to experience
and avoid their products if that makes you feel better. I agree that they
should have offered something especially after admitting that there is a
problem with their product.
Anyway thanks for the update.
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> They were blister packed when I bought them. The package showed no signs
of
> contamination. I bought about 4 or 5 packs of them at the same time. I
would
> suspect that they all came from the same production lot.
>
> I know very little about plastics, but my guess is that the release agent
is
> bleeding out of them. I don't know of any other explanation. I've never
seen
> any other plastics "bleed" like that.
>
> Rick
Well plastic is a petroleum based product. If it compress and changes shape
it may ouz.. Or that soft material may have absorbed a release agent and
then you squeezed it back out...
Let us know how Jorgensen reacts..
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> They were blister packed when I bought them. The package showed no signs of
> contamination. I bought about 4 or 5 packs of them at the same time. I would
> suspect that they all came from the same production lot.
>
> I know very little about plastics, but my guess is that the release agent is
> bleeding out of them. I don't know of any other explanation. I've never seen
> any other plastics "bleed" like that.
If you're talking about the small roundish rubber caps that fit over
the faces on the Jorgensen #37xx F-clamps, then the problem you're
having is commonplace. I bought some of those years ago for my
clamps, and they've always left a mark on the wood after clamping. I
was able to find a number of others who have mentioned this problem.
If I need to clamp wood with them, a piece of wax paper or Saran Wrap
between the face and the wood solves the problem.
Dunno exactly WHY they do this. I suspect it's some sort of chemical
in the rubber compound being squeezed out when pressure is applied,
but I have no proof to back that up. As it is, I rarely use them to
clamp up wood (I have some Bessey F-clamps with plastic face covers
that don't leave marks). The Jorgies are pretty much relegated to
clamping down jigs and the such these days.
"Rick" <
> I know very little about plastics, but my guess is that the release agent
is
> bleeding out of them. I don't know of any other explanation. I've never
seen
> any other plastics "bleed" like that.
>
> Rick
If it is a release agent, most likely it is silicone based. One sticking
part and over zealous operators will spray huge amounts of it in the cavity.
It is unusual that colorants or plasticisers would leach out, but it is
possible. I've seen migration from one plastic to another, but I don't know
what it would do to wood.
My guess is that you are faced with removing the contaminated wood, possibly
by sanding, if it is not absorbed too far.
Ed
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've got so many filters running to get rid of the junk that I miss alot
of
> legit posts I think.
>
> Anyway, yes, they are the removable style that fit lots of generic small
> hand bar clamps.
>
> I did try coating an area with the lacquer that I use. It did NOT cover
it.
>
> The only way to make it even "passable" is to apply some sort of stain.
> Which is exactly what I didn't want to do.
Would an oil like a danish oil blend it better before the lacquer finish??
> How in the world can a clamp company market and sell something to
> woodworkers knowing that it will stain the material that they are using?
Sounds strange to me. Mine have never doen that and I have those little
orange cover also but they are 20+ years old. I wonder if yours could have
become contaminated some how and absorbed oil themselves prior to you buying
them.. Good luck..
>
> Rick
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:wVDmb.18$p%[email protected]...
> > Rick,
> >
> >
> > I think LRod mentioned your problem before you posted it here...
> >
> > To clarify, the marks are not from the Cabinet Master clamps, rather
from
> > the orange Jorgensen pads that fit other some other clamps.. Correct?
> >
> > If those removable pads are like some I have from Jorgensen, they are
more
> > of a rubber material than a plastic.
> >
> > Have you tried an application of your finish to see if it will cover or
> hide
> > the spots?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I've got so many filters running to get rid of the junk that I miss alot of
legit posts I think.
Anyway, yes, they are the removable style that fit lots of generic small
hand bar clamps.
I did try coating an area with the lacquer that I use. It did NOT cover it.
The only way to make it even "passable" is to apply some sort of stain.
Which is exactly what I didn't want to do.
How in the world can a clamp company market and sell something to
woodworkers knowing that it will stain the material that they are using?
Rick
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:wVDmb.18$p%[email protected]...
> Rick,
>
>
> I think LRod mentioned your problem before you posted it here...
>
> To clarify, the marks are not from the Cabinet Master clamps, rather from
> the orange Jorgensen pads that fit other some other clamps.. Correct?
>
> If those removable pads are like some I have from Jorgensen, they are more
> of a rubber material than a plastic.
>
> Have you tried an application of your finish to see if it will cover or
hide
> the spots?
>
>
>
>
>
They were blister packed when I bought them. The package showed no signs of
contamination. I bought about 4 or 5 packs of them at the same time. I would
suspect that they all came from the same production lot.
I know very little about plastics, but my guess is that the release agent is
bleeding out of them. I don't know of any other explanation. I've never seen
any other plastics "bleed" like that.
Rick
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Would an oil like a danish oil blend it better before the lacquer finish??
> Sounds strange to me. Mine have never doen that and I have those little
> orange cover also but they are 20+ years old. I wonder if yours could
have
> become contaminated some how and absorbed oil themselves prior to you
buying
> them.. Good luck..
>
>
>
I had the same problem with the same brand of clamp pads. Not sure what
caused it, but I got lucky. I was using danish oil to bring out the color
or the cherry wood. The spots blended right in and the shellac finish coats
adhered well.
Roger
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rick" <
> > I know very little about plastics, but my guess is that the release
agent
> is
> > bleeding out of them. I don't know of any other explanation. I've never
> seen
> > any other plastics "bleed" like that.
> >
> > Rick
>
> If it is a release agent, most likely it is silicone based. One sticking
> part and over zealous operators will spray huge amounts of it in the
cavity.
> It is unusual that colorants or plasticisers would leach out, but it is
> possible. I've seen migration from one plastic to another, but I don't
know
> what it would do to wood.
>
> My guess is that you are faced with removing the contaminated wood,
possibly
> by sanding, if it is not absorbed too far.
> Ed
>
>
If it is plastic, the mark could very well be plasticizer. You would think
that they would formulate the compound to avoid this. If that is the case
then you have a legitimate gripe!
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way the
> work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but I
> have with some other Jorgensens.
>
> I bought some regular 3700 series clamps quite a long time ago. Since I
> recently purchased some CM clamps that come faced with the nice orange
> plastic that worked great, I decided to buy some of the orange pads for my
> smaller hand clamps.
>
> I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
> spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces on
a
> blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
> blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No
dice.
> Its soaked into the wood.
>
> How the hell do I get this foreign substance out of my wood? I have $300
in
> walnut in the blanket chest that will get finished with just a couple
coats
> of catalyzed lacquer. If this project is ruined, I don't know what the
hell
> I'll do. I surely don't want to rebuild it. And I know the customer is not
> going to be happy waiting for another one.
>
> Anyone know how to treat this problem?
>
> Do you know what caused it? A release agent in the plastic molds?
>
> I tried sanding the faces of the pads and cleaning them. Clamped a test
> piece. It still stained the wood.
>
> Are they defective pads? Do they all do this? Anybody have the home phone
> number for the president of Jorgensen?
>
> Not a happy customer right now.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
This is the response I received from Joann Oczkowski
([email protected]) at Adjustable Clamp today:
"We are aware of the marks left on the wood when using our clamp pads. Once
your project is finished using a stain or varnish, the marks will not be
noticeable. We have tested this on many varieties of wood and in each case
the marks disappear. Let us know if you have any other concerns."
As an update, I finished the walnut chest with ML Campbell Magnalac. The
clamp pad marks are still visible. I indicated this in my email reply. We'll
see what kind of response I get tomorrow.
Rick
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way the
> work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but I
> have with some other Jorgensens.
>
> I bought some regular 3700 series clamps quite a long time ago. Since I
> recently purchased some CM clamps that come faced with the nice orange
> plastic that worked great, I decided to buy some of the orange pads for my
> smaller hand clamps.
>
> I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
> spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces on
a
> blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
> blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No
dice.
> Its soaked into the wood.
>
> How the hell do I get this foreign substance out of my wood? I have $300
in
> walnut in the blanket chest that will get finished with just a couple
coats
> of catalyzed lacquer. If this project is ruined, I don't know what the
hell
> I'll do. I surely don't want to rebuild it. And I know the customer is not
> going to be happy waiting for another one.
>
> Anyone know how to treat this problem?
>
> Do you know what caused it? A release agent in the plastic molds?
>
> I tried sanding the faces of the pads and cleaning them. Clamped a test
> piece. It still stained the wood.
>
> Are they defective pads? Do they all do this? Anybody have the home phone
> number for the president of Jorgensen?
>
> Not a happy customer right now.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
I've given them two days to reply, and I have yet to hear anything further
than the first email reply that I posted. Obviously not stellar customer
service. I'm very disappointed in the Adjustable Clamp because of the way
they have handled this situation. I really didn't expect them to ignore me.
If they had apologized for the problem and offered to refund me for the
product, I would have been happy. Now, with each passing day, I grow a bit
more bitter over the whole situation.
Rick
"Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Interesting that they acknowledge THEY have a problem, but don't apologize
> for it. By indicating the use of a stain or varnish {typically Amber}to
> *cover* THEIR problem, they are de facto admitting that a 'water-clear'
> finish will NOT make it *disappear*.
>
> Sort of like saying, " Yes, we know you will be cut by the
> unfinished/untrimmed edge on this expensive tool. We're not going to add a
> de-burring step, so just get yourself a box of band-aids".
>
> Regards & Good Luck,
> Ron Magen
> Backyard Boatshop
> PS: Just another reason to keep buying the cheap 'knock-off' clones; they
> look the same & work the same. No over-blown hype, and I know what to
expect
> . . . nothing . . . that I can't make on my own.
Rick,
I think LRod mentioned your problem before you posted it here...
To clarify, the marks are not from the Cabinet Master clamps, rather from
the orange Jorgensen pads that fit other some other clamps.. Correct?
If those removable pads are like some I have from Jorgensen, they are more
of a rubber material than a plastic.
Have you tried an application of your finish to see if it will cover or hide
the spots?
Interesting that they acknowledge THEY have a problem, but don't apologize
for it. By indicating the use of a stain or varnish {typically Amber}to
*cover* THEIR problem, they are de facto admitting that a 'water-clear'
finish will NOT make it *disappear*.
Sort of like saying, " Yes, we know you will be cut by the
unfinished/untrimmed edge on this expensive tool. We're not going to add a
de-burring step, so just get yourself a box of band-aids".
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
PS: Just another reason to keep buying the cheap 'knock-off' clones; they
look the same & work the same. No over-blown hype, and I know what to expect
. . . nothing . . . that I can't make on my own.
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is the response I received from Joann Oczkowski
> ([email protected]) at Adjustable Clamp today:
>
> "We are aware of the marks left on the wood when using our clamp pads.
Once
> your project is finished using a stain or varnish, the marks will not be
> noticeable. We have tested this on many varieties of wood and in each
case
> the marks disappear. Let us know if you have any other concerns."
>
>
> As an update, I finished the walnut chest with ML Campbell Magnalac. The
> clamp pad marks are still visible. I indicated this in my email reply.
We'll
> see what kind of response I get tomorrow.
>
> Rick
>
>
> "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way
the
> > work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but
I
> > have with some other Jorgensens.
> >
> > I bought some regular 3700 series clamps quite a long time ago. Since I
> > recently purchased some CM clamps that come faced with the nice orange
> > plastic that worked great, I decided to buy some of the orange pads for
my
> > smaller hand clamps.
> >
> > I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
> > spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces
on
> a
> > blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
> > blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No
> dice.
> > Its soaked into the wood.
> >
> > How the hell do I get this foreign substance out of my wood? I have $300
> in
> > walnut in the blanket chest that will get finished with just a couple
> coats
> > of catalyzed lacquer. If this project is ruined, I don't know what the
> hell
> > I'll do. I surely don't want to rebuild it. And I know the customer is
not
> > going to be happy waiting for another one.
> >
> > Anyone know how to treat this problem?
> >
> > Do you know what caused it? A release agent in the plastic molds?
> >
> > I tried sanding the faces of the pads and cleaning them. Clamped a test
> > piece. It still stained the wood.
> >
> > Are they defective pads? Do they all do this? Anybody have the home
phone
> > number for the president of Jorgensen?
> >
> > Not a happy customer right now.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Hi Rick,
I would try heat. Heat gun, hair dryer. See if you can get it to
evaporate.
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"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have some Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, and I really like the way the
> work. Very good investment. I've not had a bit of trouble with them, but I
> have with some other Jorgensens.
<snip>>
> I put them on about a week ago. A few nights ago I clamped up some oak
> spindles on a bed I'm making. I also clamped up some walnut trim pieces on
a
> blanket chest and some maple trim on toy box. On every piece was a round
> blotch slightly bigger than the clamp pads. I tried to sand it off. No
dice.
> Its soaked into the wood.
<snip>