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10/04/2006 6:59 PM

Are the walmart knife sharpening stones ok?

Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.


This topic has 6 replies

n

in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 8:09 AM

I couldn't find it at WalMart online, but I found it here:

http://www.acehardware.com/sm-smiths-and-reg-sharpening-stone-mbk-6b--pi-12=
96964.html

Smith's=AE Sharpening Stone (Mbk 6b)
Item no: 28640

"This 6" Medium Arkansas Stone is secured on a molded plastic base to
make sharpening safe and easy. This 100% Natural Arkansas Stone is
excellent for sharpening larger knives and tools.


6" x 1-5/8" x 1/2" stone
Medium grit
Cedar block mounted"

Thanks for the information you gave!


AAvK wrote:
> > Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
> > or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.
> >
>
> Anything is "OK" along these lines of life, we all learn by doing.
>
> Does the box say Norton on it? Does it say "made in USA" on it? Does it=
say "made
> in China" on it? Does it matter? It can! Does this news group as parti=
cipating galoots
> know anything about the stones you are refering to? You should come back=
with more
> detail on it.
>
> On the other hand:
>
> Is the stone all black? If the box does not say "Norton" on it then it i=
s no doubt low
> grade silicon carbide, whether it was made in the US or China. If the bo=
x does say
> Norton then it is an acceptably high grade SC which is called Crystolon, =
this only
> comes in lower grits which is good for 'removing metal', the beginning of=
the sharpening
> process on a rounded edge. Modern Crystolon is excellent.
>
> If you get a Norton combination stone of black on one side and orange on =
the other,
> the orange side is aluminum oxide which will be the finer grit of either =
220 or 320.
> Good quality stone! Someone I know has had his since 1969, inherited fro=
m his
> father - so, older than that - it has no dishing in the surface which is =
because he has
> always used it properly.
>
> All you'd need is a Norton India combo stone and/or an Arkansas natural h=
ard stone
> (not soft). And Norton sharpening oil for both of course. The Norton com=
bo is two
> crude grits that cut the metal very well, but the Arkansas will be a fine=
r grit. Or you
> could get an Ark combo stone.
>
> I suggest do not go the cheapo route, with the cost of a stone no matter =
where it is
> made, you get what you pay for. A cheap stone takes a long time of hard =
work to
> get you an edge, that is poor quality. As well, I do not recommend the N=
orton combo
> stone that sells for around $8 at home centers, it is made in the US but,=
same story as
> above. It is the lowest grade SC, very crude, and it dumps oil right out=
the bottom of
> it, the oil costs money!
>
> On another hand:
>
> Lee Valley sells a non Norton made AO India combo stone of which the grit=
s are
> 90 and 600 I have never seen this stone sold anywhere else on the 'net o=
r in the US
> but it is made in the US. I think Norton's fine AO is 220 or 320 grit. =
This stone is
> all you would need ideally, but I myself would still have an 'in between'=
grit. Click
> and take a gander:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D3&p=3D33018&cat=3D1,43072
> Ususally when you buy a new stone, you will need a wooden box with a lid =
for it.
> The box also absorbs oil.
>
> Have fun!
>
> --
> Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
> cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
> not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

BC

Bradford Chaucer

in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 9:04 PM

Get one or two of the DMT diamond plates at Woodcraft. The ones that are
the size of a credit card are fine for a pocket knife. Get a fine and
extra fine. Anything coarser is for reshaping or restoring a seriously
damaged blade and is too aggressive for normal honing.

BTW advantage of a diamond stone is that it can be used dry or with a
little water - much cleaner.


On 10 Apr 2006 18:59:25 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
> or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.

An

"AAvK"

in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 12:41 AM


> Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
> or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.
>

Anything is "OK" along these lines of life, we all learn by doing.

Does the box say Norton on it? Does it say "made in USA" on it? Does it say "made
in China" on it? Does it matter? It can! Does this news group as participating galoots
know anything about the stones you are refering to? You should come back with more
detail on it.

On the other hand:

Is the stone all black? If the box does not say "Norton" on it then it is no doubt low
grade silicon carbide, whether it was made in the US or China. If the box does say
Norton then it is an acceptably high grade SC which is called Crystolon, this only
comes in lower grits which is good for 'removing metal', the beginning of the sharpening
process on a rounded edge. Modern Crystolon is excellent.

If you get a Norton combination stone of black on one side and orange on the other,
the orange side is aluminum oxide which will be the finer grit of either 220 or 320.
Good quality stone! Someone I know has had his since 1969, inherited from his
father - so, older than that - it has no dishing in the surface which is because he has
always used it properly.

All you'd need is a Norton India combo stone and/or an Arkansas natural hard stone
(not soft). And Norton sharpening oil for both of course. The Norton combo is two
crude grits that cut the metal very well, but the Arkansas will be a finer grit. Or you
could get an Ark combo stone.

I suggest do not go the cheapo route, with the cost of a stone no matter where it is
made, you get what you pay for. A cheap stone takes a long time of hard work to
get you an edge, that is poor quality. As well, I do not recommend the Norton combo
stone that sells for around $8 at home centers, it is made in the US but, same story as
above. It is the lowest grade SC, very crude, and it dumps oil right out the bottom of
it, the oil costs money!

On another hand:

Lee Valley sells a non Norton made AO India combo stone of which the grits are
90 and 600 I have never seen this stone sold anywhere else on the 'net or in the US
but it is made in the US. I think Norton's fine AO is 220 or 320 grit. This stone is
all you would need ideally, but I myself would still have an 'in between' grit. Click
and take a gander:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&p=33018&cat=1,43072
Ususally when you buy a new stone, you will need a wooden box with a lid for it.
The box also absorbs oil.

Have fun!

--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

An

"AAvK"

in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 2:18 PM


> I couldn't find it at WalMart online, but I found it here:
> http://www.acehardware.com/sm-smiths-and-reg-sharpening-stone-mbk-6b--pi-1296964.html
> Smith's® Sharpening Stone (Mbk 6b)
> Item no: 28640
> "This 6" Medium Arkansas Stone is secured on a molded plastic base to
> make sharpening safe and easy. This 100% Natural Arkansas Stone is
> excellent for sharpening larger knives and tools.
> 6" x 1-5/8" x 1/2" stone
> Medium grit
> Cedar block mounted"
> Thanks for the information you gave!


Yes that is a soft Arkansas (which is a medium grit), they are slow cutting stones,
good for polishing the edge. I would get a standard hard Arkansas stone (been
pining away to get one myself) and the Norton India combo stone. That Smith's
will work though, even if it's all you ever had.

You'd use the Ark as the final honing. Only the soft stones are common in stores,
you could consider shopping online, like on eBay, Dan's whetsone Co.and Hall's
Proedge, Hand America, Chef's depot, places like that.

Water stones are softer and will develope dishing easily, they wear much faster.
A good oil stone will last you all your life.

As far as oil, I recommend only Norton pint (medium light mineral oil), unscented
baby oil (very light mineral oil) for harder stones of finer grit. And I've read in this
NG you can use olive oil too - light for finer grit, extra virgin for lower grits because
it is a thicker viscosity. Personally I wouldn't do it because it goes rancid in six
months. Kerosene is the perfect viscosity but to me it stinks to high heaven. Say
if you went to a drug store you could buy plain mineral oil, it is very thick but it
can be thinned with kerosene, perfectly.

People say that WD-40 is fine too, that it is merely the same as diesel and kerosene
simply loaded with, umm, "better smells", I don't want to use it because of possible
"gumming-up" in the stone, I don't think that would be good. Someone else of
true experience may correct me, invited.

Have FUN!

--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

ma

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in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 8:20 AM

I would think it all depends on what you are sharpening. I have pocket
knives ($10) that I wouldn't mind sharpening on a grinder. Then I have
others ($400) that I would want a surgeon to sharpen.

Jack


[email protected] wrote:
> Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
> or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.
>

Cs

"CW"

in reply to [email protected] on 10/04/2006 6:59 PM

11/04/2006 6:33 PM

That stone should do a very good job for you.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I couldn't find it at WalMart online, but I found it here:

http://www.acehardware.com/sm-smiths-and-reg-sharpening-stone-mbk-6b--pi-1296964.html

Smith's® Sharpening Stone (Mbk 6b)
Item no: 28640

"This 6" Medium Arkansas Stone is secured on a molded plastic base to
make sharpening safe and easy. This 100% Natural Arkansas Stone is
excellent for sharpening larger knives and tools.


6" x 1-5/8" x 1/2" stone
Medium grit
Cedar block mounted"

Thanks for the information you gave!


AAvK wrote:
> > Is it okay to sharpen pocket knives with the walmart sharpening stones?
> > or should I pay more and get a different kind? Thanks.
> >
>
> Anything is "OK" along these lines of life, we all learn by doing.
>
> Does the box say Norton on it? Does it say "made in USA" on it? Does it
say "made
> in China" on it? Does it matter? It can! Does this news group as
participating galoots
> know anything about the stones you are refering to? You should come back
with more
> detail on it.
>
> On the other hand:
>
> Is the stone all black? If the box does not say "Norton" on it then it is
no doubt low
> grade silicon carbide, whether it was made in the US or China. If the box
does say
> Norton then it is an acceptably high grade SC which is called Crystolon,
this only
> comes in lower grits which is good for 'removing metal', the beginning of
the sharpening
> process on a rounded edge. Modern Crystolon is excellent.
>
> If you get a Norton combination stone of black on one side and orange on
the other,
> the orange side is aluminum oxide which will be the finer grit of either
220 or 320.
> Good quality stone! Someone I know has had his since 1969, inherited from
his
> father - so, older than that - it has no dishing in the surface which is
because he has
> always used it properly.
>
> All you'd need is a Norton India combo stone and/or an Arkansas natural
hard stone
> (not soft). And Norton sharpening oil for both of course. The Norton
combo is two
> crude grits that cut the metal very well, but the Arkansas will be a finer
grit. Or you
> could get an Ark combo stone.
>
> I suggest do not go the cheapo route, with the cost of a stone no matter
where it is
> made, you get what you pay for. A cheap stone takes a long time of hard
work to
> get you an edge, that is poor quality. As well, I do not recommend the
Norton combo
> stone that sells for around $8 at home centers, it is made in the US but,
same story as
> above. It is the lowest grade SC, very crude, and it dumps oil right out
the bottom of
> it, the oil costs money!
>
> On another hand:
>
> Lee Valley sells a non Norton made AO India combo stone of which the grits
are
> 90 and 600 I have never seen this stone sold anywhere else on the 'net or
in the US
> but it is made in the US. I think Norton's fine AO is 220 or 320 grit.
This stone is
> all you would need ideally, but I myself would still have an 'in between'
grit. Click
> and take a gander:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3&p=33018&cat=1,43072
> Ususally when you buy a new stone, you will need a wooden box with a lid
for it.
> The box also absorbs oil.
>
> Have fun!
>
> --
> Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
> cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
> not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/


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