On 3/22/2015 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 03/22/2015 12:29 PM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>> On 2015-03-22, dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>
>>> I'd suggest, while it's a longshot they'll pay much attention as you're
>>> not a paying customer nor even a prospect, trying to pick up the phone
>>> and see if can get somebody there to try to identify pieces-parts...
>>
>> I am on very good terms with these guys, maybe there is still someone
>> there who knows, I will see.
>
> I was thinking of Giben, not the source for the parts.
>
> Clearly they are feed rollers but from which particular machine or of
> what vintage I'd have no way of knowing.
Clearly? ;~)
I cant wait to hear the answer. I at first thought power feeder until I
looked at the machinery they manufacture/sell. They mostly use wide or
multiple belts to deliver the material. I'm now thinking this drives
the cutter back and forth along a rail system/gantry above the material
being cut.
In article <[email protected]>,
Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>
> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
Up here in Canada we call them "beer cans".
HTH.
--
Splinters in my Fingers blog: <http://woodenwabbits.blogspot.com>
In article <[email protected]>, Ed
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 8:18 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
> >> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
> >>
> >> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
> >
> > Up here in Canada we call them "beer cans".
> >
> > HTH.
> >
>
> Yabut, LITE ain't beer
Why is American beer like sex in a canoe?
They're both fucking close to water...
--
Splinters in my Fingers blog: <http://woodenwabbits.blogspot.com>
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> Up here in Canada we call them "beer cans".
-----------------------------------------------
somebody wrote:
>> Yabut, LITE ain't beer
------------------------------------
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> Why is American beer like sex in a canoe?
>
> They're both fucking close to water...
-----------------------------------------
Ya owe me a keyboard, you rascal.
Lew
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:21:30 AM UTC-5, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 < wrote:
> > I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
> > is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
> >
> > http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>=20
> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative=20
> jokes.=20
> =20
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>=20
> Or am I wasting my time here?
>=20
> i
Well, hell! Most guys here do not have, or are part & party to, super-dupe=
r industrial woodworking tools and machinery, as the large factories are. =
Giben makes huge industrial tools, not your typical hobbyist or contractor=
tools.
You haven't even told us what kind of saw are you speaking of. Giben make=
s a variety of saws. Your item may not even be a Giben product, but a thir=
d party product, used in conjunction with a Giben product.
You seem to blindly expect someone, here, to give you what you want, when y=
ou want, how you want, etc., at the drop of a hat. If you have such a ind=
ustrial saw, as a Giben, then you should know what arena of expertise you s=
hould be searching among. If you have such a industrial saw, your first i=
nquery should be of/to Giben, themselves, for such a specialized accessory.
Wasting your time! You probably wasted your time acquiring the saw (and ac=
cessory), in the first place.
Sonny
On 2015-03-22, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>>
>>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
>> jokes.
>>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>>
>> i
>
> Maybe look in a Giben catalog?
I already looked in a Giben catalog, did not find anything.
i
On 2015-03-22, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 3/22/2015 9:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>>
>>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>>
>> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
>> jokes.
>>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>>
>> i
>>
>
> Since none of us probably has or uses a "Gibon Saw" and your have not
I said "Giben saw" in my original post.
> indicated which Giben Saw, it is likely you are not going to get a
> correct answer.
I would probably get a correct answer, from someone who used a similar
saw.
> BUT looking at the Giben site they build enormous sized cutting
> machines, some are plasma cutters. It appears that belts drive the
> stock but this also could be a motor to move the cutter carriage
> along a track.
Thanks.
Unfortunately, I have never seen the whole saw assembled.
I obtained a pile of disassembled frames from that saw, for scrap
metal. Those frames and assemblies, contained four motors like the
above pictured one. I was told that they are for a Giben saw, however
I have not been able to find out what they are called. They looks like
usable components and I hope to be able to sell them.
i
On 2015-03-22, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>>
>>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
>> jokes.
>>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>>
>> i
>
> Is it variable speed?
>
It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
different input frequency. The gearbox is based on a worm drive and is
of a fixed ratio 1:100.
i
On 3/22/2015 10:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>
> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
> jokes.
>
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>
> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> i
>
Looks like a feed roller for a rip saw.
Not certain, but that's my guess
--
Jeff
On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>
> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
jokes.
But does anyone know the answer to my question?
Or am I wasting my time here?
i
On 3/22/2015 9:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>
> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
> jokes.
>
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>
> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> i
>
Since none of us probably has or uses a "Gibon Saw" and your have not
indicated which Giben Saw, it is likely you are not going to get a
correct answer.
BUT looking at the Giben site they build enormous sized cutting
machines, some are plasma cutters. It appears that belts drive the
stock but this also could be a motor to move the cutter carriage along a
track.
On 3/22/2015 10:32 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-22, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>>> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>>>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>>>
>>>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>>> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
>>> jokes.
>>>
>>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>>
>>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>>>
>>> i
>>
>> Is it variable speed?
>>
>
> It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
> different input frequency. The gearbox is based on a worm drive and is
> of a fixed ratio 1:100.
>
> i
>
And now you probably have enough information to have the unit identified
when you call Giben.
Ignoramus16807 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
> different input frequency.
Interesting that you say that, because that's not normal
for a 3-phase motor. That says the motor is intended to
be driven by a solid-state inverter, and thus it is probably
intended to drive some sort of carriage that needs to be
positioned and/or moved in a precise fashion.
You might try searching ABB's site for the motor. That
might give you some insights into it's possible purpose
(or resale value).
John
Dave Balderstone <[email protected]> wrote in news:210320151818439403%
[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>
> Up here in Canada we call them "beer cans".
I don't see a can of beer in that picture...
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "John McCoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ignoramus16807 <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
>>> different input frequency.
>>
>> Interesting that you say that, because that's not normal
>> for a 3-phase motor. That says the motor is intended to
>> be driven by a solid-state inverter, and thus it is probably
>> intended to drive some sort of carriage that needs to be
>> positioned and/or moved in a precise fashion.
>
> Maybe I missed something, but speed controlling a 3 phase motor with a
> variable frequency source is dead nut easy.
Well, yeah, the trick is making the variable frequency source,
which gets a tad difficult once you start talking really big
motors (not that the one in question is big).
> There are 3ph motors rated as "inverter duty" but any old 3ph motor
> can be speed controlled with a VFD.
I'm assuming, since the OP mentioned the motor being variable
speed, that it is so marked. That's why I said it's not a
normal motor.
John
On 2015-03-22, Bob La Londe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "John McCoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ignoramus16807 <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
>>> different input frequency.
>>
>> Interesting that you say that, because that's not normal
>> for a 3-phase motor. That says the motor is intended to
>> be driven by a solid-state inverter, and thus it is probably
>> intended to drive some sort of carriage that needs to be
>> positioned and/or moved in a precise fashion.
>
> Maybe I missed something, but speed controlling a 3 phase motor with a
> variable frequency source is dead nut easy. It doesn't take a special
> motor. Most decent motors can handle from about 1/2 speed to double speed
> without any major issues. The big 5HP LeLand on my Hurco mill runs from 3hz
> (96 RPM) to 120hz (3600 RPM). The only issue with most 3phase motors is
> loss of torque and cooling capacity at extremely low speeds, and possible
> bearing failure at excessive speeds. The Leland on my mill deals with
> cooling by having a second uncontrolled motor driving the fan instead if
> having a shaft mounted fan.
>
> There are 3ph motors rated as "inverter duty" but any old 3ph motor can be
> speed controlled with a VFD.
VFDs somewhat stress insulation on motors, but running a 220/440 motor
on 220 from a VFD should never be a problem.
i
On 2015-03-22, woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/22/2015 10:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
>> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>>
>>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>>
>> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
>> jokes.
>>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>>
>> i
>>
> Looks like a feed roller for a rip saw.
> Not certain, but that's my guess
>
OK, great, thanks a lot, I also thought that it might be called a feed
roller.
i
On 3/21/2015 8:18 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
>
> Up here in Canada we call them "beer cans".
>
> HTH.
>
Yabut, LITE ain't beer
Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
> jokes.
>
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>
> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> i
Is it variable speed?
Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-21, Ignoramus14616 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have this item, it comes from a Giben saw, but I do not know what it
>> is called, feed roller maybe? Thanks
>>
>> http://communitydropbox.weldors.org/pic/17058/0.jpg
> OK, guys, I am incredibly impressed by your wit and very creative
> jokes.
>
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>
> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> i
Maybe look in a Giben catalog?
On 03/22/2015 9:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
...
> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>
> Or am I wasting my time here?
Oh, I'm sure _somebody_ does, sure...but not that's reading "the wrec",
not likely at all
Yeah, retty much the latter, iggy; there's no one in this group
regularly who has this kind of manufacturing machinery.
I'd suggest, while it's a longshot they'll pay much attention as you're
not a paying customer nor even a prospect, trying to pick up the phone
and see if can get somebody there to try to identify pieces-parts...
--
On 03/22/2015 12:29 PM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> On 2015-03-22, dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
...
>> I'd suggest, while it's a longshot they'll pay much attention as you're
>> not a paying customer nor even a prospect, trying to pick up the phone
>> and see if can get somebody there to try to identify pieces-parts...
>
> I am on very good terms with these guys, maybe there is still someone
> there who knows, I will see.
I was thinking of Giben, not the source for the parts.
Clearly they are feed rollers but from which particular machine or of
what vintage I'd have no way of knowing.
Hopefully there's some sort of manufacturing info/part numbers on them
that could help identify them specifically. And, of course, if there is
somebody still at the facility that knows what the machine actually was,
that's a start obviously (not that you didn't know that :) ). Even if
they know its function but not the model it couldn't hurt...
I spent some significant time while in VA years ago at various furniture
manufacturing facilities including the (then) nearly new Lane factory in
Alta Vista but there was nothing even approaching these machines in any
of those plants. Perhaps had they been thinking along these production
lines some of them might have survived, but the product wouldn't have
been what was seen as acceptable at the time; there were virtually no
panel goods in any of the pieces back then.
--
On 03/22/2015 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
...
> Clearly they are feed rollers but from which particular machine or of
> what vintage I'd have no way of knowing.
...
> I spent some significant time while in VA years ago at various furniture
> manufacturing facilities including the (then) nearly new Lane factory in
> Alta Vista but there was nothing even approaching these machines in any
> of those plants. Perhaps had they been thinking along these production
> lines some of them might have survived, but the product wouldn't have
> been what was seen as acceptable at the time; there were virtually no
> panel goods in any of the pieces back then.
Here's the kind of thing the folks here think of with power drives for
woodworking...
<http://www.powermatic.com/us/en/c/power-feeders/P160/?reset=true>
--
"John McCoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ignoramus16807 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> It is a 3 phase motor and its speed can be varied, by supplying a
>> different input frequency.
>
> Interesting that you say that, because that's not normal
> for a 3-phase motor. That says the motor is intended to
> be driven by a solid-state inverter, and thus it is probably
> intended to drive some sort of carriage that needs to be
> positioned and/or moved in a precise fashion.
Maybe I missed something, but speed controlling a 3 phase motor with a
variable frequency source is dead nut easy. It doesn't take a special
motor. Most decent motors can handle from about 1/2 speed to double speed
without any major issues. The big 5HP LeLand on my Hurco mill runs from 3hz
(96 RPM) to 120hz (3600 RPM). The only issue with most 3phase motors is
loss of torque and cooling capacity at extremely low speeds, and possible
bearing failure at excessive speeds. The Leland on my mill deals with
cooling by having a second uncontrolled motor driving the fan instead if
having a shaft mounted fan.
There are 3ph motors rated as "inverter duty" but any old 3ph motor can be
speed controlled with a VFD.
>
> You might try searching ABB's site for the motor. That
> might give you some insights into it's possible purpose
> (or resale value).
>
> John
On 2015-03-22, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 03/22/2015 9:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> ...
>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> Oh, I'm sure _somebody_ does, sure...but not that's reading "the wrec",
> not likely at all
>
> Yeah, retty much the latter, iggy; there's no one in this group
> regularly who has this kind of manufacturing machinery.
OK, I was hoping that there are some industrial guys here like in the
metalworking newsgroup.
> I'd suggest, while it's a longshot they'll pay much attention as you're
> not a paying customer nor even a prospect, trying to pick up the phone
> and see if can get somebody there to try to identify pieces-parts...
I am on very good terms with these guys, maybe there is still someone
there who knows, I will see.
Thanks
i
On 3/22/2015 10:56 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 03/22/2015 9:21 AM, Ignoramus16807 wrote:
> ...
>
>> But does anyone know the answer to my question?
>>
>> Or am I wasting my time here?
>
> Oh, I'm sure _somebody_ does, sure...but not that's reading "the wrec",
> not likely at all
>
> Yeah, retty much the latter, iggy; there's no one in this group
> regularly who has this kind of manufacturing machinery.
>
> I'd suggest, while it's a longshot they'll pay much attention as you're
> not a paying customer nor even a prospect, trying to pick up the phone
> and see if can get somebody there to try to identify pieces-parts...
>
> --
>
If they are the manufacturer and not an importer the parts department
should be able to tell him what it is off the tops of their head.