Anybody have experience w/ the Katana carried by MLCS? On the theme of
the alternate thread, is price all-important? <vbg>
These are roughly a third under either the Woodtek/Woodcraft set or the
original Leigh (which are within 10% of each other).
Or, anybody else have other recommendations?
Second query; not related...
Got the jointer knives back and was getting ready to mount/adjust them
and find have misplaced the little accessory that locks the cutterhead
in place on the old 8" Delta. It's not critical but handy as makes a
reference for a fixed knife position for measuring height. I can
fabricate one but if somebody has it at hand and could post a rough
dimensions sketch would/could save some time...can't believe it's not in
the box of stuff... :(
BTW, anybody need a set of HSS 6" knives for Delta and similar heads
(old gib-style, not a replaceable/indexed set)? I've had these for ages
thinking would eventually use them for something but forgot to let them
go w/ the jointer when it left and that's been 20+ yr ago now so don't
guess it's likely to happen. They are in good shape, looks like had
been used a little after last sharpening before I replaced them w/ the
carbide so that just a hand honing looks like would be all needed...
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On 4/11/2012 7:35 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 7:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/11/2012 5:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
>>> alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
>>> I'll see if my jointer has the same.
>>
>>
>> :~) A shim is a shim....
>
> Well, it isn't really a shim, it's a lock. (And, it's dimensions are
> pretty close in order for it to align the knife at TDC. It'll be
> transferring the measurement for the hole location precisely from the
> blank I've gotten prepared to get that alignment that'll be the key
> element in replacing it w/ the homegrown copy satisfactorily).
>
> --
>
Ohhhhhhhh sorry.
On 4/11/2012 9:12 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 7:40 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/11/2012 7:35 PM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2012 7:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/11/2012 5:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>> Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
>>>>> alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
>>>>> I'll see if my jointer has the same.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> :~) A shim is a shim....
>>>
>>> Well, it isn't really a shim, it's a lock. (And, it's dimensions are
>>> pretty close in order for it to align the knife at TDC. It'll be
>>> transferring the measurement for the hole location precisely from the
>>> blank I've gotten prepared to get that alignment that'll be the key
>>> element in replacing it w/ the homegrown copy satisfactorily).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> Ohhhhhhhh sorry.
>
> Still, $100 is truly phenomenal which flabbergasted me to the point of
> posting it for all to marvel (yet again) at how little pricing has to do
> w/ actual cost/value of the object.
>
> --
Now I really am sorry. ;~)
What about 1/2 shafts? aren't there options for 1/2 in the leigh length?
On 4/11/2012 8:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 6:31 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Some do. Leigh does.
>> I don't have a Leigh, so I am confused by the requirement for 8mm
>> shafts. I know that the length of the bit is the primary reason Leigh's
>> require their own bit. They are longer.
>
> Actually the 8mm bit is not required, it is simply a more robust bit
> over a 1/4" bit. And for some operations you can in deed use a plain DT
> bit with a Leigh Jig, at least the D4. You need different bits for
> different thicknesses of wood and DT appearances, more variety in
> appearance with different degree bits.
>
>
On 4/11/2012 5:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> I don't have a dovetail jig. The different jig brands require different bits?
>
> Or am I understanding the topic incorrectly?
Basically, that is correct, since the jig operating parameters generally
vary with material thickness and the type of dovetail (through or half
blind), the angle of the bit, the width of the bit, and depth at which
it is intended to be used, all have a bearing on the choice of a bit
that will work with that stock thickness, and for that jig.
It can be pretty confusing, even for those who own a couple of different
brand dovetail jigs and use them often.
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On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
> Anybody have experience w/ the Katana carried by MLCS? On the theme of
> the alternate thread, is price all-important? <vbg>
>
> These are roughly a third under either the Woodtek/Woodcraft set or the
> original Leigh (which are within 10% of each other).
>
> Or, anybody else have other recommendations?
>
Kantana IIRC is an MCLS exclusive. I would not hesitate to use one for
occasional use but would go top quality for a DT jig. You use the heck
out of those bits and you want a bit that will hold up and has a proven
quality track record.
Some do. Leigh does.
I don't have a Leigh, so I am confused by the requirement for 8mm
shafts. I know that the length of the bit is the primary reason Leigh's
require their own bit. They are longer.
But not the reason for the 8mm
On 4/11/2012 6:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> I don't have a dovetail jig. The different jig brands require different bits?
>
> Or am I understanding the topic incorrectly?
>
> Sonny
On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
> Anybody have experience w/ the Katana carried by MLCS? On the theme of
> the alternate thread, is price all-important? <vbg>
>
> These are roughly a third under either the Woodtek/Woodcraft set or the
> original Leigh (which are within 10% of each other).
>
> Or, anybody else have other recommendations?
...
My bad; it's the "Super Jig", not the D4R. Difference is is the D4R
handles >1/2" dovetail; the Super doesn't...
--
On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
...
> Got the jointer knives back and was getting ready to mount/adjust them
> and find have misplaced the little accessory that locks the cutterhead
> in place on the old 8" Delta. It's not critical but handy as makes a
> reference for a fixed knife position for measuring height. I can
> fabricate one but if somebody has it at hand and could post a rough
> dimensions sketch would/could save some time...can't believe it's not in
> the box of stuff... :(
...
Well, I looked to see if could find a picture of the accessory to use as
a mock up before beginning to fabricate and found the old Delta part
number. Talk about a mark up! Nearly $100 for a 1" square piece of
stamped 1/8" metal w/ a hole/slot...
<http://stores.renovoparts.com/-strse-666/418040885004-418-dsh-04-dsh-088-dsh-5004-Knife-StopDelta/Detail.bok>
Item 50 on this schematic...
<http://www.toolpartsdirect.com/cgi-bin/bigimg.cgi/rockwell/37-316>
--
On 4/11/2012 5:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
> alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
> I'll see if my jointer has the same.
No, it's nothing at all special. I _know_ it's around, just misplaced
(and I'll surely find it as soon as I finish).
I wouldn't have posted this other than I was floored first of all that
the part number showed up and then when I looked to find the pricing
they were expecting... :(
I've almost got a new one fabricated so don't worry much. One can just
wedge the head, of course, but with this one doesn't have to fiddle much
to get TDC aligned; it does that part pretty well...
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On 4/11/2012 2:47 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
>> Anybody have experience w/ the Katana carried by MLCS? On the theme of
>> the alternate thread, is price all-important? <vbg>
>>
>> These are roughly a third under either the Woodtek/Woodcraft set or the
>> original Leigh (which are within 10% of each other).
>>
>> Or, anybody else have other recommendations?
>>
>
> Kantana IIRC is an MCLS exclusive. I would not hesitate to use one for
> occasional use but would go top quality for a DT jig. You use the heck
> out of those bits and you want a bit that will hold up and has a proven
> quality track record.
>
That's a valid point, Leon. I guess I may just spring for the Leigh
set; it's so little additional over the Woodcraft store brand that I
really don't know anything about, either...
Leigh Valley makes some but not in 8 mm shank and they're still
half-again as much and not the particular small DT bit I want, anyway...
I'm sure they're good but if it ain't what want/need the other arguments
pale... :)
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On 4/11/2012 7:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 6:31 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Some do. Leigh does.
>> I don't have a Leigh, so I am confused by the requirement for 8mm
>> shafts. I know that the length of the bit is the primary reason Leigh's
>> require their own bit. They are longer.
>
> Actually the 8mm bit is not required, it is simply a more robust bit
> over a 1/4" bit. And for some operations you can in deed use a plain DT
> bit with a Leigh Jig, at least the D4. You need different bits for
> different thicknesses of wood and DT appearances, more variety in
> appearance with different degree bits.
>
>
Precisely, they need the extra length and owing to that, while it
doesn't sound like a lot, the 8mm over 1/4" means almost 60% more shaft
area which is significant in reducing chatter potential.
--
On 4/11/2012 7:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 5:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
>> alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
>> I'll see if my jointer has the same.
>
>
> :~) A shim is a shim....
Well, it isn't really a shim, it's a lock. (And, it's dimensions are
pretty close in order for it to align the knife at TDC. It'll be
transferring the measurement for the hole location precisely from the
blank I've gotten prepared to get that alignment that'll be the key
element in replacing it w/ the homegrown copy satisfactorily).
--
On 4/11/2012 7:40 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 7:35 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 4/11/2012 7:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2012 5:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>> Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
>>>> alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
>>>> I'll see if my jointer has the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> :~) A shim is a shim....
>>
>> Well, it isn't really a shim, it's a lock. (And, it's dimensions are
>> pretty close in order for it to align the knife at TDC. It'll be
>> transferring the measurement for the hole location precisely from the
>> blank I've gotten prepared to get that alignment that'll be the key
>> element in replacing it w/ the homegrown copy satisfactorily).
>>
>> --
>>
>
> Ohhhhhhhh sorry.
Still, $100 is truly phenomenal which flabbergasted me to the point of
posting it for all to marvel (yet again) at how little pricing has to do
w/ actual cost/value of the object.
--
On 4/12/2012 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 9:12 PM, dpb wrote:
...
>> Still, $100 is truly phenomenal which flabbergasted me to the point of
>> posting it for all to marvel (yet again) at how little pricing has to do
>> w/ actual cost/value of the object.
>>
> Now I really am sorry. ;~)
Maybe a bill to back that up with??? :) <g,d&r>
--
On 4/13/2012 7:00 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 9:36 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 4/12/2012 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2012 9:12 PM, dpb wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>> Still, $100 is truly phenomenal which flabbergasted me to the point of
>>>> posting it for all to marvel (yet again) at how little pricing has
>>>> to do
>>>> w/ actual cost/value of the object.
>>>>
>>> Now I really am sorry. ;~)
>>
>> Maybe a bill to back that up with??? :) <g,d&r>
>>
>> --
>
> I am not really really sorry, Just really sorry. ;~)
Dang.
--
Wow, that looks like a plain old shim for an autobody, or front end
alignment. Nothing special from the diagram.
I'll see if my jointer has the same.
On 4/11/2012 4:46 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
> ...
>
>> Got the jointer knives back and was getting ready to mount/adjust them
>> and find have misplaced the little accessory that locks the cutterhead
>> in place on the old 8" Delta. It's not critical but handy as makes a
>> reference for a fixed knife position for measuring height. I can
>> fabricate one but if somebody has it at hand and could post a rough
>> dimensions sketch would/could save some time...can't believe it's not in
>> the box of stuff... :(
> ...
>
> Well, I looked to see if could find a picture of the accessory to use as
> a mock up before beginning to fabricate and found the old Delta part
> number. Talk about a mark up! Nearly $100 for a 1" square piece of
> stamped 1/8" metal w/ a hole/slot...
>
> <http://stores.renovoparts.com/-strse-666/418040885004-418-dsh-04-dsh-088-dsh-5004-Knife-StopDelta/Detail.bok>
>
>
> Item 50 on this schematic...
>
> <http://www.toolpartsdirect.com/cgi-bin/bigimg.cgi/rockwell/37-316>
>
> --
On 4/11/2012 6:31 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Some do. Leigh does.
> I don't have a Leigh, so I am confused by the requirement for 8mm
> shafts. I know that the length of the bit is the primary reason Leigh's
> require their own bit. They are longer.
Actually the 8mm bit is not required, it is simply a more robust bit
over a 1/4" bit. And for some operations you can in deed use a plain DT
bit with a Leigh Jig, at least the D4. You need different bits for
different thicknesses of wood and DT appearances, more variety in
appearance with different degree bits.
On 4/12/2012 11:43 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 9:28 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> What about 1/2 shafts? aren't there options for 1/2 in the leigh length?
> ...
>
> Nope (other than the straights)--I've never seen the DT bits in anything
> but 1/4" or 8mm.
>
> --
Actually Leigh has 1/2" DT bits...
http://www.leighjigs.com/cutters-superjigs.php
On 4/12/2012 9:36 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/11/2012 9:12 PM, dpb wrote:
> ...
>
>>> Still, $100 is truly phenomenal which flabbergasted me to the point of
>>> posting it for all to marvel (yet again) at how little pricing has to do
>>> w/ actual cost/value of the object.
>>>
>> Now I really am sorry. ;~)
>
> Maybe a bill to back that up with??? :) <g,d&r>
>
> --
I am not really really sorry, Just really sorry. ;~)
On 4/13/2012 7:02 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2012 11:43 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 4/12/2012 9:28 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> What about 1/2 shafts? aren't there options for 1/2 in the leigh length?
>> ...
>>
>> Nope (other than the straights)--I've never seen the DT bits in anything
>> but 1/4" or 8mm.
>>
>> --
>
> Actually Leigh has 1/2" DT bits...
>
> http://www.leighjigs.com/cutters-superjigs.php
Oooops Sorry
There are 1/2" shank bits for my D4 and or the DR4 jigs
http://www.leighjigs.com/cutters-d4.php
On 4/11/2012 5:29 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 4/11/2012 2:47 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/11/2012 1:14 PM, dpb wrote:
>>> Anybody have experience w/ the Katana carried by MLCS? On the theme of
>>> the alternate thread, is price all-important? <vbg>
>>>
>>> These are roughly a third under either the Woodtek/Woodcraft set or the
>>> original Leigh (which are within 10% of each other).
>>>
>>> Or, anybody else have other recommendations?
>>>
>>
>> Kantana IIRC is an MCLS exclusive. I would not hesitate to use one for
>> occasional use but would go top quality for a DT jig. You use the heck
>> out of those bits and you want a bit that will hold up and has a proven
>> quality track record.
>>
>
> That's a valid point, Leon. I guess I may just spring for the Leigh set;
> it's so little additional over the Woodcraft store brand that I really
> don't know anything about, either...
Actually I would not advise getting a set either. I have the D4 and
only have 3~5 for the DT and finger joint Leigh jig. Buy them as you
need them.
>
> Leigh Valley makes some but not in 8 mm shank and they're still
> half-again as much and not the particular small DT bit I want, anyway...
> I'm sure they're good but if it ain't what want/need the other arguments
> pale... :)
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If you can I would certainly go with the 8mm bits, less chatter.