On Sep 30, 4:52=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Leon wrote:
> >> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> dpb wrote:
> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>> ...
>
> >>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
> >>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>
> >>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
> >>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>
> >>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
> >>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>
> >> Yes Things have changed.
>
> >> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
>
> >>http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
>
> > So which one is resorcinol?
>
> White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
Gorilla glue that dries white is polyurethane based.... but... is that
the same as their white glue? Don't know.
On 10/1/2010 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 10/1/10 4:01 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 4:53 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 10/1/10 3:50 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 4:38 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>>
>>>>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>>>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>>
>>>>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>>
>>>> What? You don't know?
>>>
>>> If we ever meet, remind me to give you a good twap on the head.
>>> Then, we'll get a beer.
>>>
>>
>> LOL... that's how I made most of my friends.
>>
>> I heard that all you had to do was smack it onto your work bench. The
>> shock supposedly fixes the glue. I am not kidding, that's what was
>> posted here some time ago.
>
> Interesting. I wonder if that's the same for freeze. I've had plenty a
> bottle spend a few weeks below freezing and I've always heard that's
> pretty bad for it.
>
> Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
> that's sat for a long, long, time?
Giving a good shake generally solves that problem, But ....
Don't know about you, even the slighted suspicion that a glue is dicey
is enough to send me packing to buy some that's fresh.
Usually have too much work, time and materials in my projects to take a
chance for the piddling price.
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"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Leon wrote:
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>>
>>
>> Yes Things have changed.
>>
>> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
> ...
>
> Also true but only relatively recently has there been anything but the
> _polyurethane_ foaming over-advertised stuff available under the Gorilla
> banner...
I have been using and mentioning the WHITE Gorilla glue for almost 3
years.... Not too new for those that frequent woodworking stores and the
Borgs.
tiredofspam wrote:
> I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers
> glue.
> I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>
> I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear
> the pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
PVA creeps more than yellow, is thermoplastic; i.e, can be softened with
heat which is very handy because you can iron on edging strips. When mixed
with sawdust - or put into a slightly less than perfect joint and sanded
over - it makes a decent filler.
I use both. Type 2 yellow for gluing stuff together forever.
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"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 10/1/10 4:16 PM, Leon wrote:
>> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>>>
>>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had
>>>> gone
>>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>
>>
>> ;!)
>>
>> If the glue starts to "gel" give it several quick whacks against a
>> stationary object or with the palm of
>> your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks. I am very intrigued my this.
> My initial thought is that it's BS, but I'll be the first to gloat about
> it if it works.
I called Frainklin to complain, they told me to do this, and by golly it
worked. apparently this is a normal thing with these type glues. Mine was
like pudding before the trick.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 07:04:54 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>
>> --
>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>
>How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
It sat on the shelf for a few years and dried up. The last use, I
recall it being fairly thick. Jello, eat your heart out.
Those were the Bow Saur Years, Leon. <titter>
--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
On Sep 29, 3:23=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers glue=
.
>
> > I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>
> > I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear th=
e
> > pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
>
> Some white glues are acutally wood glue. =A0Elmers white glue is not
> necessarily a wood glue.
>
> Gorilla makes a White wood glue.
>
> I use the glue that most closely matches the wood color. =A0Light woods, =
white
> glue, dries clear. =A0Light brown TBII , medium brown, TBIII, dark woods,=
dark
> glue.
I use this stuff a lot.
http://www.weldbond.com/cabinetmaking
For large lay-ups of laminate, Wilsonart 3000 is incredible. That
stuff is insane.
I do like TBIII a lot too, I like the dark colour for those same
reasons you stated.
I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
does stick, holy cow does it ever.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 3:23 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers glue.
>
> > I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>
> > I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear the
> > pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
>
> Some white glues are acutally wood glue. Elmers white glue is not
> necessarily a wood glue.
>
> Gorilla makes a White wood glue.
>
> I use the glue that most closely matches the wood color. Light woods,
> white
> glue, dries clear. Light brown TBII , medium brown, TBIII, dark woods,
> dark
> glue.
I use this stuff a lot.
http://www.weldbond.com/cabinetmaking
For large lay-ups of laminate, Wilsonart 3000 is incredible. That
stuff is insane.
I do like TBIII a lot too, I like the dark colour for those same
reasons you stated.
I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
does stick, holy cow does it ever.
OK, let me restate, WHITE gorilla glue, works just like regular yellow eood
glue except it is WHITE. Not a polyurethane glue.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 07:04:54 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>
>>How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>
> It sat on the shelf for a few years and dried up. The last use, I
> recall it being fairly thick. Jello, eat your heart out.
>
> Those were the Bow Saur Years, Leon. <titter>
It was probably old and bad, but in the future if the glue starts to "gel"
give it several quick whacks against a stationary object or with the palm of
your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>
>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>
>
> Really? That's all you're going to say.
;!)
If the glue starts to "gel" give it several quick whacks against a
stationary object or with the palm of
your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Robatoy wrote:
> ...
>
> > I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
> > does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>
> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>
> They're only advantage imo is the one-part waterproof where it's
> actually needed; otherwise the pita factor is far too high as you say...
>
> Marketing can do wonders... :)
The Gorilla glue that foams is polyurethane, not resorcinol.
The only resorcinol glue that is currently at all easily available in
the US is Cascophen I believe (get it from Aircraft Spruce). Aerolite I
am told can still be had in the UK but there doesn't seem to be a US
distributer any longer. DAP seems to have discontinued the Weldwood
product.
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbell.dotnet says...
>
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Leon wrote:
> >> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> dpb wrote:
> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
> >>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
> >>>>
> >>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
> >>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
> >>>
> >>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
> >>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes Things have changed.
> >>
> >> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
> >>
> >> http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
> >
> >
> > So which one is resorcinol?
>
>
> White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
But is white Gorilla glue any different in function than Elmer's Glue-
All?
In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbell.dotnet says...
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>
> >> White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
> >
> > But is white Gorilla glue any different in function than Elmer's Glue-
> > All?
>
>
> If you want to pick nits,,,, Gorilla White Wood Glue is designed to glue
> wood. I highly suspect that you could also use it add glitter to your
> costume, glue pictures in an album, or glue together pieces of colored
> construction paper to make a paper chain. I also highly suspect that the
> Gorilla White Wood glue has a higher bond strength when used with wood than
> the Elmers Glue ALL product would.
>
> http://gorillaglue.com/glues/woodglue/index.aspx
>
> I would not necessirily want to use Elmers Glue All to put together an
> expensive piece of furniture enen though it includes wood as a material that
> it will glue. It is more of a CRAFT glue that is suited for all around
> projects including paper, wood, fabric, leather, and ceramics.
>
> http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/E1322
>
> I would me more inclined to use an Elmer's Wood glue specificially suited
> for woodworking. I have used both of those referenced below.
>
> http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/P9724?filterPath=hardware
> or
> http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/E701
>
> However the reason I prefer to use the White Gorila wood Glue is that it
> dries clear.
So do you have test results of any kind that show a difference, or do
you just buy into Gorilla's hype?
dpb wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> ...
>
>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>
> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its polyurethane,
not even close to resorcinol.
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On Oct 1, 4:53=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/1/10 3:50 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 4:38 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> >>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> =A0 =A0wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. =A0TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are worki=
ng
> >>>> fine for me. =A0I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, =
and
> >>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. =A0Live and lea=
rn.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
> >>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
> >>>> is people who have come alive. =A0 =A0 =A0-- Howard Thurman
>
> >>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? =A0I once thought =A0my =A0TB III=
had gone
> >>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>
> >> Really? =A0 That's all you're going to say.
>
> > What? You don't know?
>
> If we ever meet, remind me to give you a good twap on the head.
> Then, we'll get a beer.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
LOL... that's how I made most of my friends.
I heard that all you had to do was smack it onto your work bench. The
shock supposedly fixes the glue. I am not kidding, that's what was
posted here some time ago.
.
.
.
.
Somebody help a guy out here!!!!
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
>
> But is white Gorilla glue any different in function than Elmer's Glue-
> All?
If you want to pick nits,,,, Gorilla White Wood Glue is designed to glue
wood. I highly suspect that you could also use it add glitter to your
costume, glue pictures in an album, or glue together pieces of colored
construction paper to make a paper chain. I also highly suspect that the
Gorilla White Wood glue has a higher bond strength when used with wood than
the Elmers Glue ALL product would.
http://gorillaglue.com/glues/woodglue/index.aspx
I would not necessirily want to use Elmers Glue All to put together an
expensive piece of furniture enen though it includes wood as a material that
it will glue. It is more of a CRAFT glue that is suited for all around
projects including paper, wood, fabric, leather, and ceramics.
http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/E1322
I would me more inclined to use an Elmer's Wood glue specificially suited
for woodworking. I have used both of those referenced below.
http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/P9724?filterPath=hardware
or
http://www.elmers.com/product/detail/E701
However the reason I prefer to use the White Gorila wood Glue is that it
dries clear.
> I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear the
> pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
White glue has a longer open time, and use it for gluing up Windsor
chairs. It's as strong as yellow glue.
Originally, yellow glue was formulated as a "carpenter's glue" that
could be applied to moist wood on the job site.
Incidental trivia - I lifted this from milk.doc:
Elmer=92s=AE glue used to be made from casein, however, it is now made
from a polymer, polyvinylacetate (PVA) since
that polymer is more stable and has a long shelf storage life.
Elmer=92s=AE blue gel glue is made from polyvinylalcohol.
On Oct 1, 8:02=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/1/10 6:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
> >>>> that's sat for a long, long, time?
>
> >>> Giving a good shake generally solves that problem, But ....
>
> >>> Don't know about you, even the slighted suspicion that a glue is dice=
y
> >>> is enough to send me packing to buy some that's fresh.
>
> >>> Usually have too much work, time and materials in my projects to take=
a
> >>> chance for the piddling price.
>
> >> I'm in that boat with you. But I had to get some in a hurry, last time=
,
> >> and the only bottle (1gal) on the shelf was Elmer's Carpenters and it
> >> had about
> >> a 1/2 cup floating on top. I shook it to death and haven;t had any pro=
bs.
>
> >> --
>
> >> =A0 =A0-MIKE-
>
> > ...which leaves me wonder if a twap on the head is a fair trade for a
> > beer......okay, what kinda beer?
>
> If that's all it took to get a beer, I'd never have to pay. =A0:-)
>
> Right now, I'm particularly fond of Left Hand Milk Stout.
>
It takes a very secure man to put anything with a name like that to
his lips.... or maybe I have I have opened too many wrong windows in
my browser leading to Amsterdam.
On Oct 1, 6:54=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/1/10 5:28 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
> > On 10/1/2010 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
> >> that's sat for a long, long, time?
>
> > Giving a good shake generally solves that problem, But ....
>
> > Don't know about you, even the slighted suspicion that a glue is dicey
> > is enough to send me packing to buy some that's fresh.
>
> > Usually have too much work, time and materials in my projects to take a
> > chance for the piddling price.
>
> I'm in that boat with you. But I had to get some in a hurry, last time,
> and the only bottle (1gal) on the shelf was Elmer's Carpenters and it
> had about
> a 1/2 cup floating on top. I shook it to death and haven;t had any probs.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
...which leaves me wonder if a twap on the head is a fair trade for a
beer......okay, what kinda beer?
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Right now, I'm particularly fond of Left Hand Milk Stout.
> "Deschutes Black Butte Porter"
With names like that, I'd hazard a guess you've tried those beers initially
only because they had names like that. :)
"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers glue.
>
> I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>
> I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear the
> pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
>
Some white glues are acutally wood glue. Elmers white glue is not
necessarily a wood glue.
Gorilla makes a White wood glue.
I use the glue that most closely matches the wood color. Light woods, white
glue, dries clear. Light brown TBII , medium brown, TBIII, dark woods, dark
glue.
On Oct 1, 4:38=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> > "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> I haven't tried TBIII yet. =A0TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
> >> fine for me. =A0I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, an=
d
> >> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. =A0Live and learn=
.
>
> >> --
> >> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
> >> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
> >> is people who have come alive. =A0 =A0 =A0-- Howard Thurman
>
> > How did your gallon of TBII go bad? =A0I once thought =A0my =A0TB III h=
ad gone
> > bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>
> Really? =A0 That's all you're going to say.
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
What? You don't know?
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Sep 30, 4:52 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Leon wrote:
> >> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> dpb wrote:
> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>> ...
>
> >>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
> >>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>
> >>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
> >>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>
> >>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
> >>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>
> >> Yes Things have changed.
>
> >> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
>
> >>http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
>
> > So which one is resorcinol?
>
> White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
Gorilla glue that dries white is polyurethane based.... but... is that
the same as their white glue? Don't know.
White Gorilla wood glue dries clear. For sure.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>
> --
> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
Robatoy wrote:
...
> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
They're only advantage imo is the one-part waterproof where it's
actually needed; otherwise the pita factor is far too high as you say...
Marketing can do wonders... :)
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dadiOH wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>
> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its polyurethane,
> not even close to resorcinol.
True, finger-slip...
Anyway, the _polyurethanes_ fared lower than the PVAs in the testing
results I've seen...
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Leon wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> dpb wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>
>
> Yes Things have changed.
>
> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
...
Also true but only relatively recently has there been anything but the
_polyurethane_ foaming over-advertised stuff available under the Gorilla
banner...
--
On 9/30/10 1:26 PM, dpb wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>> dpb wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>
>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>
> True, finger-slip...
>
> Anyway, the _polyurethanes_ fared lower than the PVAs in the testing
> results I've seen...
>
That's true. They are NOT strong, they are water resistant.
Like another poster wrote, marketing is everything.
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/30/10 1:26 PM, dpb wrote:
>> dadiOH wrote:
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>>
>>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>>
>> True, finger-slip...
>>
>> Anyway, the _polyurethanes_ fared lower than the PVAs in the testing
>> results I've seen...
>>
>
> That's true. They are NOT strong, they are water resistant.
> Like another poster wrote, marketing is everything.
That other poster would have been me... :) (altho there may have been
another as well,...)
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On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>
>> --
>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>
> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>
Really? That's all you're going to say.
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On 10/1/10 3:50 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 1, 4:38 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>
>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>
>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>
>
> What? You don't know?
If we ever meet, remind me to give you a good twap on the head.
Then, we'll get a beer.
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On 10/1/10 4:01 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 1, 4:53 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 10/1/10 3:50 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 4:38 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>
>>>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>
>>>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>
>>> What? You don't know?
>>
>> If we ever meet, remind me to give you a good twap on the head.
>> Then, we'll get a beer.
>>
>
> LOL... that's how I made most of my friends.
>
> I heard that all you had to do was smack it onto your work bench. The
> shock supposedly fixes the glue. I am not kidding, that's what was
> posted here some time ago.
Interesting. I wonder if that's the same for freeze. I've had plenty a
bottle spend a few weeks below freezing and I've always heard that's
pretty bad for it.
Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
that's sat for a long, long, time?
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On 10/1/10 4:16 PM, Leon wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>>
>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>>
>>
>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>
>
> ;!)
>
> If the glue starts to "gel" give it several quick whacks against a
> stationary object or with the palm of
> your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
>
>
Thanks. I am very intrigued my this.
My initial thought is that it's BS, but I'll be the first to gloat about
it if it works.
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On 9/30/2010 2:11 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "dadiOH"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
>>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>>>
>>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>>
>>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>>
>>
>> Yes Things have changed.
>>
>> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
>>
>> http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
>
>
> So which one is resorcinol?
None are. Resorcinol glue is typically marketed as a boat-builder's glue and
not as a woodworking product. Not so much because of its adhesive qualities
(it's _incredibly_ strong, waterproof, and solvent resistant) but because it
has a deep rich burgundy color with a very obvious glue line. It can also be a
bit brittle, as I recall.
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On 10/1/2010 4:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 10/1/10 4:16 PM, Leon wrote:
>> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>>>
>>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>
>>
>> ;!)
>>
>> If the glue starts to "gel" give it several quick whacks against a
>> stationary object or with the palm of
>> your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks. I am very intrigued my this.
> My initial thought is that it's BS, but I'll be the first to gloat about it if
> it works.
As long as the glue isn't too far gone, it does indeed work. Franklin even
outlines this procedure on the back of the TBIII bottle. Don't see it on my
bottle of TBII though...
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On 10/1/10 5:28 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 10/1/2010 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
>> that's sat for a long, long, time?
>
> Giving a good shake generally solves that problem, But ....
>
> Don't know about you, even the slighted suspicion that a glue is dicey
> is enough to send me packing to buy some that's fresh.
>
> Usually have too much work, time and materials in my projects to take a
> chance for the piddling price.
>
I'm in that boat with you. But I had to get some in a hurry, last time,
and the only bottle (1gal) on the shelf was Elmer's Carpenters and it
had about
a 1/2 cup floating on top. I shook it to death and haven;t had any probs.
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On 10/1/10 6:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>> Anyone ever get that dark yellow oily stuff on the top of a bottle
>>>> that's sat for a long, long, time?
>>
>>> Giving a good shake generally solves that problem, But ....
>>
>>> Don't know about you, even the slighted suspicion that a glue is dicey
>>> is enough to send me packing to buy some that's fresh.
>>
>>> Usually have too much work, time and materials in my projects to take a
>>> chance for the piddling price.
>>
>> I'm in that boat with you. But I had to get some in a hurry, last time,
>> and the only bottle (1gal) on the shelf was Elmer's Carpenters and it
>> had about
>> a 1/2 cup floating on top. I shook it to death and haven;t had any probs.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -MIKE-
>>
>
> ...which leaves me wonder if a twap on the head is a fair trade for a
> beer......okay, what kinda beer?
If that's all it took to get a beer, I'd never have to pay. :-)
Right now, I'm particularly fond of Left Hand Milk Stout.
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On 10/1/10 10:00 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 1, 8:02 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> ...which leaves me wonder if a twap on the head is a fair trade for a
>>> beer......okay, what kinda beer?
>>
>> If that's all it took to get a beer, I'd never have to pay. :-)
>>
>> Right now, I'm particularly fond of Left Hand Milk Stout.
>>
>
> It takes a very secure man to put anything with a name like that to
> his lips.... or maybe I have I have opened too many wrong windows in
> my browser leading to Amsterdam.
>
I was laughing as I typed the name of that beer. Too....many...jokes.
:-)
You think that one takes someone secure in his manhood, check out my
other favorite...
"Deschutes Black Butte Porter"
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On 10/2/10 5:57 AM, Upscale wrote:
> "-MIKE-"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> Right now, I'm particularly fond of Left Hand Milk Stout.
>> "Deschutes Black Butte Porter"
>
> With names like that, I'd hazard a guess you've tried those beers initially
> only because they had names like that. :)
>
Insert Freudian joke, here. :-)
In general, my first test is if I can see light through the bottle.
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Leon wrote the following:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> On 10/1/10 7:04 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
>>>> fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
>>>> lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
>>>> alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
>>>> is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
>>>>
>>> How did your gallon of TBII go bad? I once thought my TB III had gone
>>> bad, all 3 quarts bottles, Franklin gave me a cure.
>>>
>>>
>> Really? That's all you're going to say.
>>
>
>
> ;!)
>
> If the glue starts to "gel" give it several quick whacks against a
> stationary object or with the palm of
> your hand. If it is still good it will instantly reliquify.
>
Do you mean that after I angrily threw the hardened TBII bottle across
the shop against the wall, I could have used it instead of throwing it
in the trash barrel?
:-)
>
>
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:41:24 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>On Sep 29, 3:23 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers glue.
>>
>> > I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>>
>> > I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear the
>> > pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
>>
>> Some white glues are acutally wood glue. Elmers white glue is not
>> necessarily a wood glue.
>>
>> Gorilla makes a White wood glue.
>>
>> I use the glue that most closely matches the wood color. Light woods,
>> white
>> glue, dries clear. Light brown TBII , medium brown, TBIII, dark woods,
>> dark
>> glue.
>
>I use this stuff a lot.
>http://www.weldbond.com/cabinetmaking
>
>For large lay-ups of laminate, Wilsonart 3000 is incredible. That
>stuff is insane.
You use a water-soluble bonding agent for laminate? Amazing! I had
trouble with the waterborne rubber cement and love the solvent-based
stuff.
>I do like TBIII a lot too, I like the dark colour for those same
>reasons you stated.
I haven't tried TBIII yet. TBII and Elmer's Carpenter's are working
fine for me. I let an unopened jug of Gorilla poly harden on me, and
lost my very first gallon of TBII. I buy quarts now. Live and learn.
--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robatoy wrote:
> ...
>
>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>
> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla foaming)
> results behind the yellow glue...
>
> They're only advantage imo is the one-part waterproof where it's actually
> needed; otherwise the pita factor is far too high as you say...
>
> Marketing can do wonders... :)
>
> --
WHITE Gorilla Glue is not Polyurethane Gorilla Glue.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> dpb wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
>>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>>>
>>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>>
>>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>>
>>
>> Yes Things have changed.
>>
>> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
>>
>> http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
>
>
> So which one is resorcinol?
White Gorilla glue is not necessarily polyurethane as you stated above.
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> dpb wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but it
>>> does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>
>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>
> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
Yes Things have changed.
Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:56:44 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You use a water-soluble bonding agent for laminate? Amazing! I had
>trouble with the waterborne rubber cement and love the solvent-based
>stuff.
Oops, I meant contact cement, not rubber. Weldwood red is tits!
Weldwood green sucks the big one, and is twice the price. I hate it
when people double the price to call it "green". Especially when it
makes the product less than it was but a large margin. Feh!
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:03:23 -0400, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
wrote:
>I was in Frank Klauz's shop a few weeks ago and he was using elmers glue.
>
>I have been using titebond yellow, sometimes an elmers dark glue,
>
>I know this is a matter of opinion, but figured I would like to hear the
>pros and cons of each.... White PVA vs Yellow Aliphatic.
White glue gives more open time, which if I recall correctly is why
Frank Klauz uses it. Yellow glue is stronger, but white glue is strong
enough for most uses. If you have good fitting joints white glue
should still be stronger than the wood.
Leon wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> dpb wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I used Gorilla for an outdoor situation------> what a PITA!!! but
>>>> it does stick, holy cow does it ever.
>>>
>>> The comparative tests I've seen all have the resorcinal (Gorilla
>>> foaming) results behind the yellow glue...
>>
>> Unless things have changed, Gorilla glue isn't resorcinol, its
>> polyurethane, not even close to resorcinol.
>
>
> Yes Things have changed.
>
> Gorilla is a BRAND name not a type of glue.
>
> http://www.gorillaglue.com/glues.aspx
So which one is resorcinol?
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