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Bay Area Dave

05/03/2004 5:37 PM

Preventing dye stain from over-darkening endgrain

I know that when I sand end grain to a higher grit than the rest of the
wood, pigment stain will come out a bit lighter. Can I control the
depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or should
I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?

dave


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"mp"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

06/03/2004 3:26 PM

> I know that when I sand end grain to a higher grit than the rest of the
> wood, pigment stain will come out a bit lighter. Can I control the
> depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or should
> I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?

You can try wetting the endgrain with water first before applying the dye.

Bb

BruceR

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 1:32 PM

Bay Area Dave wrote:
> let me clarify: I should have written, "like a wash coat of shellac over
> the end grain, before dye staining".
>
> dave
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> Can I control the
>
>> depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or
>> should I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?
>>
>> dave
>>
>

One nice thing about water based dyes is you can wet a rag and wipe away
as much of the dye as you want. I had an end grain situation where it
was dyed darker than the surfaces. I used a damp rag to even it up
before top coating...

-Bruce



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"Mike Hide"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 11:03 PM

Always remember thin the stain so it is really diluted, If it is still too
light restain with a slightly stronger stain until it is like you want it
.check color when the stain is still wet as that is what it will look like
the most when the top coat is applied .

The rule, always start with the color too light, it is easy to darken it and
a PITA to lighten....mjh


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> "Bay Area Dave" wrote in message
> > cool, thanks, Bruce. that sounds much easier than getting shellac on
> > JUST the end grain. I'm waiting (impatiently, of course) for
> > Woodworker's Supply to get a color sample chart to me via snail mail so
> > I can order the (hopefully) correct color.
>
>
> http://www.targetcoatings.com/products/dyes/prod_dyes_trans.html
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"Swingman"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 2:47 PM

"BruceR" wrote in message

> One nice thing about water based dyes is you can wet a rag and wipe away
> as much of the dye as you want. I had an end grain situation where it
> was dyed darker than the surfaces. I used a damp rag to even it up
> before top coating...

Ditto ...

Transtint is good and will work with water or alcohol applied directly.

AAMOF, on the left hand letter rack drawer of the Stickley 798 writing table
I posted pictures of in abpw a day or so ago, the end grain of the bottom
plate that the left hand drawer sits on was actually lighter in color, with
stain, than the drawer face was without stain.

I wiped on, then off, just a touch of Transtint mission brown, mixed with
alcohol, to get the contrast I was looking for between the base plate end
grain and the drawer face.


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Bay Area Dave

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 9:10 PM

cool, thanks, Bruce. that sounds much easier than getting shellac on
JUST the end grain. I'm waiting (impatiently, of course) for
Woodworker's Supply to get a color sample chart to me via snail mail so
I can order the (hopefully) correct color.

dave

BruceR wrote:

> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> let me clarify: I should have written, "like a wash coat of shellac
>> over the end grain, before dye staining".
>>
>> dave
>>
>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>> Can I control the
>>
>>> depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or
>>> should I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?
>>>
>>> dave
>>>
>>
>
> One nice thing about water based dyes is you can wet a rag and wipe away
> as much of the dye as you want. I had an end grain situation where it
> was dyed darker than the surfaces. I used a damp rag to even it up
> before top coating...
>
> -Bruce
>
>
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Bay Area Dave

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 6:39 PM

let me clarify: I should have written, "like a wash coat of shellac over
the end grain, before dye staining".

dave

Bay Area Dave wrote:

Can I control the
> depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or should
> I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?
>
> dave
>

md

"mttt"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

06/03/2004 12:44 AM


"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> depth of color of dye stain on end grain in the same fashion, or should
> I use another method like a wash coat of shellac ?

Dunno - I lighten areas with dye by wetting a cloth with the right solvent
(water in my case) and pulling off some of the dye.

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to Bay Area Dave on 05/03/2004 5:37 PM

05/03/2004 3:11 PM

"Bay Area Dave" wrote in message
> cool, thanks, Bruce. that sounds much easier than getting shellac on
> JUST the end grain. I'm waiting (impatiently, of course) for
> Woodworker's Supply to get a color sample chart to me via snail mail so
> I can order the (hopefully) correct color.


http://www.targetcoatings.com/products/dyes/prod_dyes_trans.html


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