JB Weld - will it tighten old wood handles?

In article <[email protected]>, lramsey@cox-
internet.com says...
> Wow! I amrunning around 800 degrees while castinga nd , no, I don't
> use gloves. Can't wear them; they get in the way. I always worked
> barbed wire without gloves though most don't. Just gotta be a little
> careful.
>
Youch! You can be careful with barbed wire, the only problem is that
it's so unpredictable, especially when rolling it up, it tends to come
loose and spring at you at the most inopportune times and places.

Lawrence A. Ramsey wrote:

> I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
> lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do

How many tools do you have? I do a little lead casting, and I have a
shop-built crucible. For a handle, I use a super cheapo pair of imitation
Vise Grips. It works great, *but* my crucible has a copper pipe handle,
and it's easy to bite. Grabbing onto a steel rod would be more difficult,
but maybe you could grind flats on it to make for better bite.

Also, my crucible is very light, used only for melting and pouring small
amounts of lead at a time. If you're moving pounds of it around with your
stuff, you'll need something better.

One way or another, I'll bet a pair of cheapo locking pliers would make a
good heat sink to help avoid charring the handles in the first place.

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Sun, Nov 16, 2003, 9:56am (EST-1) [email protected]
(Lawrence=A0A.=A0Ramsey) wants to know:
<snip> Would JB Weld work?

Possibly. I doubt it would adhere to wood, but would definitely do
so to metal, and would fill the voids in the handles. I would give it a
try.

Epoxy will come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. <snip>

There are specialized epoxy types that will hold up to that heat,
and higher. I don't know if any would be available on the civilian
market, and I'm sure they'd be expensive if they are.

Have you considered replacing the handles? Perhaps with aluminum
rod, machined with fins for better coolirn. I'm sure you're wearing
gloves while you work.

If I had that problem, I'd probably consider getting more than one
set of handles, and swapping them off, to allow cooling. Or, work
slower, with longer breaks.


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In casting bullets, the mold is held by a wood handle. After a few
hours of casting, the metal prongs going into the wood handles gets
hot as **** and chars the wood inside the handle. Been trying to
figure out a way to stop it.


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:33:54 GMT, "ks_av8r" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>800 degress is hot. But JB weld would be worth a try. I have used it for
>many applications and it has not failed. Most notable was nursing a few
>more years out of a dishwasher that was badly rusting in the drain area. It
>held up remarkably for 3 years and a dishwasher can be a pretty nasty
>environment. JB Weld failure wasn't the reason the dishwasher was replaced.
>
>A lot a farmers in our area swear by it, and use it on engine repairs. It
>does take a full 24 hours to cure and I would suggest the original, not the
>fast cure.
>
>Good luck.
>
>
>"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
>> lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
>> you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
>> heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
>> charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
>> come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
>> pinning is not an option.
>

All good suggestions. Normally one only owns one mold or possibly two
for a given caliber. It is a real pain to try to swap them out with a
new set of handles while casting. I cast for hours so that make sit
somewhat impractical. I do set them down on a wet towel or rag while
letting bullets set up but after a while, you run out of rags/towels,
etc. The idea of a little aluminum finned heat sink is interesting
though. Gotta think on that one for a while. Thanks!


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:59:27 -0500 (EST), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:

>Sun, Nov 16, 2003, 9:56am (EST-1) [email protected]
>(Lawrence A. Ramsey) wants to know:
><snip> Would JB Weld work?
>
> Possibly. I doubt it would adhere to wood, but would definitely do
>so to metal, and would fill the voids in the handles. I would give it a
>try.
>
>Epoxy will come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. <snip>
>
> There are specialized epoxy types that will hold up to that heat,
>and higher. I don't know if any would be available on the civilian
>market, and I'm sure they'd be expensive if they are.
>
> Have you considered replacing the handles? Perhaps with aluminum
>rod, machined with fins for better coolirn. I'm sure you're wearing
>gloves while you work.
>
> If I had that problem, I'd probably consider getting more than one
>set of handles, and swapping them off, to allow cooling. Or, work
>slower, with longer breaks.
>
>
>JOAT
>Of course I don't think you're a complete idiot. Some parts are
>missing.
>
>Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
>Web Page Update 15 Nov 2003.
>Some tunes I like.
>http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/

I have had some excellent results with Durham's rock hard water putty. Once
dry, it should be good to go with the heat, though I have not had the need.

Camel back concrete trowels get loose with heavy use, the Durham's does a
superb job.


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DanG


"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
> lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
> you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
> heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
> charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
> come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
> pinning is not an option.

"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In casting bullets, the mold is held by a wood handle. After a few
> hours of casting, the metal prongs going into the wood handles gets
> hot as **** and chars the wood inside the handle. Been trying to
> figure out a way to stop it.

My brother clamped some aluminum bar stock cross ways just below the handles
for a heat sink to solve that problem

Tom J

On 18-Nov-2003, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd weld on a steel extension

Wouldn't either stainless or iron transmit heat slower than
steel?

Mike

800 degress is hot. But JB weld would be worth a try. I have used it for
many applications and it has not failed. Most notable was nursing a few
more years out of a dishwasher that was badly rusting in the drain area. It
held up remarkably for 3 years and a dishwasher can be a pretty nasty
environment. JB Weld failure wasn't the reason the dishwasher was replaced.

A lot a farmers in our area swear by it, and use it on engine repairs. It
does take a full 24 hours to cure and I would suggest the original, not the
fast cure.

Good luck.


"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
> lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
> you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
> heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
> charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
> come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
> pinning is not an option.

Don't know about your handle problem but JB fixed a rusty air compressor
tank and it is still going 5 years later.


"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
> lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
> you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
> heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
> charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
> come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
> pinning is not an option.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:37:05 GMT, "Michael Daly"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Wouldn't either stainless or iron transmit heat slower than
>steel?

Not so you'd notice. None of the steels conduct heat well, compared to
other metals. And where can you get iron these days ?

If you want really posh, use titanium. It's a pig to forge, but it is
becoming popular with smiths to make tongs from, as it has such poor
conductivity.

--
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"Andy Dingley" writes:

> Fix the handle design. Modern bullet casting equipment has far too
> short a metal strip before the wood - everyone gets this problem with
> charring and the handles working loose.
>
> I wouldn't use JB Weld. I'm not a fan, it stinks when hot (you're
> melting lead - like you care about epoxy !) and this is getting beyond
> its temperature range.
>
> I'd weld on a steel extension, then use a welded steel spiral handle,
> like an Aga cooker.

Having recovered over 30,000 lbs of lead resource from things like used tire
weights, spent firing range lead, etc, then melting it down and casting into
30 lb pigs, I have a little experience handling molten lead.

Also have laid up over 20,000 lbs of epoxy building my boat, so have a
little experience with that product.

I totally agree with Andy.

JB Weld is great for a lot of things, this is not one of them.

Longer handles will solve the problem along with some heavy mitts or heat
resistant gloves.

Have fun.

BTW, anybody need a couple of 500,000 BTU burners? They do a great job
melting lead.

HTH


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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:56:58 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Some are on my
>lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect.

Fix the handle design. Modern bullet casting equipment has far too
short a metal strip before the wood - everyone gets this problem with
charring and the handles working loose.

I wouldn't use JB Weld. I'm not a fan, it stinks when hot (you're
melting lead - like you care about epoxy !) and this is getting beyond
its temperature range.

I'd weld on a steel extension, then use a welded steel spiral handle,
like an Aga cooker.

--
Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods

Wow! I amrunning around 800 degrees while castinga nd , no, I don't
use gloves. Can't wear them; they get in the way. I always worked
barbed wire without gloves though most don't. Just gotta be a little
careful.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 20:07:55 GMT, Jim K <jkajpust@###ameritech.net>
wrote:

>On their web site, its states it's good up to 500°F
>
>http://www.j-bweld.com/coldweld.html
>
>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:56:58 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
>>lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
>>you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
>>heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
>>charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
>>come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
>>pinning is not an option.

On their web site, its states it's good up to 500°F

http://www.j-bweld.com/coldweld.html

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:56:58 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have several wood handle sthat are loose on tools. Some are on my
>lead casting equipment which introduces the heat aspect. So, how do
>you take a steel prong in a wood handle subjected to say 800 degrees
>heat continuously (several hours) and insert it back into its original
>charrred wood handle and keep it tight? Would JB Weld work? Epoxy will
>come loose when subjected to heat; so will any glue. Drilling and
>pinning is not an option.