"Claude Livernoche" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> One of our members made this spokeshave and published a report on our
> website La Mortaise.com.
> If you can read in french, here is the report:
> http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
>
> Claude
The above URL addy can be copied-and-pasted into this site and translated (not quite
perfectly) I just tested it: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Alex
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KQmFc.11637$z81.10959@fed1read01...
>
> What company are you talking about?
Alex,
Rob Lee is the President of Lee-Valley Tools Pty Ltd. He takes the time to
drop in here quite often to assist with questions on his products.
Rob has set up direct pay deposit into his web catalogs for a number of
wreckerites and I suspect is the ultimate beneficiary of North American,
Canadian and some Australian Will payments and Tax returns.
Give your wallett to your wife, then look here:
http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp
Welcome to the Pauper's Guild (aka The Wreck)
Greg
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2tnGc.13005$z81.5039@fed1read01...
>
> > Keep your stories strait. If no one is at fault, why did you give the
man a
> > negative feedback?
>
> For being a lying snake as to the cost...
What did he lie about? He posted the price that he would sell it for. He
didn't force you to buy it.
>
> > There is nothing dishonest about a price markup.
>
> As above, it is a *deception* in this case as it is with every other
seller doing
> the same thing.
What deseption? He posted his price.
>
> > If there were, everyone
> > would sell the same thing at the same price. It wouldn't matter where
you
> > shopped as the prices would all be the same. If you want to pay to much,
> > that is your right.
>
> You need to re-read what I wrote again, but carefully. "I feel deceived
and
> burned" Okay?
Wasn't his fault, you bought it.
That is what the man does waiting for the unknowing to
> purchase on impulse, which I did. My mistake.
Yes it was. Maybe you'll do better next time.
>
>
> Keep your stories strait. If no one is at fault, why did you give the man a
> negative feedback?
For being a lying snake as to the cost...
> There is nothing dishonest about a price markup.
As above, it is a *deception* in this case as it is with every other seller doing
the same thing.
> If there were, everyone
> would sell the same thing at the same price. It wouldn't matter where you
> shopped as the prices would all be the same. If you want to pay to much,
> that is your right.
You need to re-read what I wrote again, but carefully. "I feel deceived and
burned" Okay? That is what the man does waiting for the unknowing to
purchase on impulse, which I did. My mistake. Happy now?
But no, for that snakey activity he gets a damn negative feedback for it.
And you don't have a call defending him or questioning me either.
Alex
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:08NEc.8708> >
http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
> perfectly) I just tested it: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Umm, if you went to the effort of the translation, you could have posted it
for all to see.
http://www.harborfreight.com/
There you go broke by buying the same over and over.
>
> Oh thanks for that info, yes I have seen the site and gone through it a
lot.
> Havn't bought anything yet, just studying it all as a newby to my new
future
> small hobby. Thus I am: "fetus of neanderthalonian galoot", unborn yet in
> our strange continuum. I am a large man however.... does the the 'Pauper's
> Guild' have a website?
Greetings and Salutations
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 19:39:40 -0700, "AArDvarK" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Mr. Lee hello, off topic on this question, I just bought the book you sell
>"stanley combination planes" refering to 45, 45, & 55, on eBay having
>no idea that it is your publication and never saw it on your site. He has
>them up for sale at a buy it now cost of $9.95 and you sell them for
>$3.95, as printed in Canada, all the sellers of this book are in Canada so
>something funny such as side selling is going on up there I think... is it
>legal? Because I feel I waas ripped off, left him a negative fedback too.
>
>Alex
>
So sad, too bad.
I always get a chuckle when I read negative feedbacks that
say, in essence..."I paid too much for this item". It is hardly
a slam against the seller, but, more an admission of laziness on the
part of the buyer. As long as the seller is not misrepresenting
the item as being worth more than it is...say, by claiming this copy
of the book was used by Roy Underhill himself, and, has drips of blood
on it to prove it, it is perfectly legal for them to sell it to you
for ANY amount you are willing to pay. Perhaps now, having learned
that lesson, you will be educated enough to spend a few minutes
using google to research what the item you are bidding on is REALLY
"worth". There are a bunch of sources for books, used and new, and
all discounted, on the Net. It is my habit to check there FIRST
before diving into Ebay.
I had the same experience recently, in that a friend and I
were looking for a DVD writer for his system. Ebay prices started
at $76 and rapidly went up. I did a quick net search and found
a shop out West that was willing to ship us the drive for $82,
including UPS shipping. That ended up being at LEAST $5 cheaper
than Ebay, and, it took about three days less to get it.
I don't necessarily agree you should have left negative
feedback for the seller. If they provided you with exactly what
was advertised in the auction listing, and did it in a timely fashion
after you paid for it, they have fulfilled their part of the contract,
and, should be given positive or, at worst, neutral, feedback.
Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to bid
on an item on Ebay. What you pay is YOUR decision. If they have
misrepresented the item, or not shipped it, or, shipped an empty
box...perhaps you would have a reason...
Ah well...what is done is done, I suppose. And, having
said all that, I also can certainly understand the burst of
embarressment and anger at realizing that I have screwed myself.
At least it was not a $1000 item!
Regards and best wishes for a happy 4th of July.
Dave Mundt
>
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:XdpFc.11659$z81.6471@fed1read01...
>
> Mr. Lee hello, off topic on this question, I just bought the book you sell
> "stanley combination planes" refering to 45, 45, & 55, on eBay having
> no idea that it is your publication and never saw it on your site. He has
> them up for sale at a buy it now cost of $9.95 and you sell them for
> $3.95, as printed in Canada, all the sellers of this book are in Canada so
> something funny such as side selling is going on up there I think... is it
> legal? Because I feel I waas ripped off, left him a negative fedback too.
>
> Alex
>
Hi Alex -
Yes - this happens quite frequently. Unfortunately, unless the person
selling the book uses our copy or images, there's nothing we can do about
it... it generally falls under "let the buyer beware".
There are a number of our products which show up on eBay - usually
auctioned off by people who live close to our stores...In some cases, they
only purchase the item after the auction completes.
Cheers -
Rob Lee
"Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Hi Greg -
>
> Haven't seen what you're referring to....but will scope it out...
Umm, just don't fix it, OK? A price war is fine by me - it seems to be
revolving around Carba-Tec and Timbecon.
cheers,
Greg
> Hi Alex -
> Yes - this happens quite frequently. Unfortunately, unless the person
> selling the book uses our copy or images, there's nothing we can do about
> it... it generally falls under "let the buyer beware".
> There are a number of our products which show up on eBay - usually
> auctioned off by people who live close to our stores...In some cases, they
> only purchase the item after the auction completes.
> Cheers -Rob Lee
>
HA HA! That sounds rediculous, do you think they make a profit??? Anyway
I think it would be terrific if you would open a store in my town, terribly dry
of high quality woodworking tools, though we have all the major stores here.
I think the closest of the type is a competitor, "Woodcraft" in Orange county
somewhere, a good 150 miles south from here, southern California coast.
Alex
Keep your stories strait. If no one is at fault, why did you give the man a
negative feedback?
There is nothing dishonest about a price markup. If there were, everyone
would sell the same thing at the same price. It wouldn't matter where you
shopped as the prices would all be the same. If you want to pay to much,
that is your right.
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GjmGc.12980$z81.1106@fed1read01...
>
> > Dave was right. Your fault.
>
> It is not about "fault"...
>
>
One of our members made this spokeshave and published a report on our
website La Mortaise.com.
If you can read in french, here is the report:
http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
Claude
"James" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
> Hi guys, I just received a box of stuff in the mail for our business but
also
> tagged on a goodie for me.
>
> Has anyone yet put together the spoke shave kit and if so what are the
> opinions, things too look out for etc.
>
> Thanks for a great kit Robin.
>
>
>
> TTYL,
> James.
> One of our members made this spokeshave and published a report on our
> website La Mortaise.com.
> If you can read in french, here is the report:
> http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
>
> Claude
Le URL ci-dessus addy (adresse) peut copier-et-être collé dans cet emplacement et traduit (pas tout
à fait parfaitement) je l'ai juste examiné : http://babelfish.altavista.com/
Alex
Dave was right. Your fault.
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:HV2Gc.12872$z81.7782@fed1read01...
>
> > So sad, too bad.
> > I always get a chuckle when I read negative feedbacks that
> > say, in essence..."I paid too much for this item". It is hardly
> > a slam against the seller, but, more an admission of laziness on the
> > part of the buyer. As long as the seller is not misrepresenting
> > the item as being worth more than it is...say, by claiming this copy
> > of the book was used by Roy Underhill himself, and, has drips of blood
> > on it to prove it, it is perfectly legal for them to sell it to you
> > for ANY amount you are willing to pay. Perhaps now, having learned
> > that lesson, you will be educated enough to spend a few minutes
> > using google to research what the item you are bidding on is REALLY
> > "worth". There are a bunch of sources for books, used and new, and
> > all discounted, on the Net. It is my habit to check there FIRST
> > before diving into Ebay.
> > I had the same experience recently, in that a friend and I
> > were looking for a DVD writer for his system. Ebay prices started
> > at $76 and rapidly went up. I did a quick net search and found
> > a shop out West that was willing to ship us the drive for $82,
> > including UPS shipping. That ended up being at LEAST $5 cheaper
> > than Ebay, and, it took about three days less to get it.
> > I don't necessarily agree you should have left negative
> > feedback for the seller. If they provided you with exactly what
> > was advertised in the auction listing, and did it in a timely fashion
> > after you paid for it, they have fulfilled their part of the contract,
> > and, should be given positive or, at worst, neutral, feedback.
> > Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to bid
> > on an item on Ebay. What you pay is YOUR decision. If they have
> > misrepresented the item, or not shipped it, or, shipped an empty
> > box...perhaps you would have a reason...
> > Ah well...what is done is done, I suppose. And, having
> > said all that, I also can certainly understand the burst of
> > embarressment and anger at realizing that I have screwed myself.
> > At least it was not a $1000 item!
> > Regards and best wishes for a happy 4th of July.
> > Dave Mundt
> >
>
> All very true in every legal sense, and I should have done a search on it.
> But I felt very *deceived*, which can easily fall along the lines of
legalism,
> which can be damned some of the time. The man selling the books among
> others is still a dishonest snake for it and he gets a negative feedback
for
> that. Too bad for me and too bad for him. And you know it would make you
> feel pretty bad if it happened to you, try to imagine your own natural
> reaction when you found out. No one is a "legal monolithic icon" of pure
> self discipline!
>
> Later on I did see another book on eBay on making wooden planes, and I did
> do searches for it and found it actually more expensive. So I did learn a
very
> valuable lesson right then. It was like "OOPS! Stupid-ass ME!" BUT there
is
> a point of mentioning the legality, and that is that Lee Valley or Mr. Lee
> might be the owner of the copyright, and it might be illegal that those
books
> are being sold on the side, by the printing company, and if these creeps
work
> at the printers they might be stealing them and Mr. Lee should know about
> that, and again, "should know all about it". See?
>
> I think you're a bit too "flamey", and hence you need to relax, we're not
at
> war here. At least I'm not.
>
> Alex
>
>
> So sad, too bad.
> I always get a chuckle when I read negative feedbacks that
> say, in essence..."I paid too much for this item". It is hardly
> a slam against the seller, but, more an admission of laziness on the
> part of the buyer. As long as the seller is not misrepresenting
> the item as being worth more than it is...say, by claiming this copy
> of the book was used by Roy Underhill himself, and, has drips of blood
> on it to prove it, it is perfectly legal for them to sell it to you
> for ANY amount you are willing to pay. Perhaps now, having learned
> that lesson, you will be educated enough to spend a few minutes
> using google to research what the item you are bidding on is REALLY
> "worth". There are a bunch of sources for books, used and new, and
> all discounted, on the Net. It is my habit to check there FIRST
> before diving into Ebay.
> I had the same experience recently, in that a friend and I
> were looking for a DVD writer for his system. Ebay prices started
> at $76 and rapidly went up. I did a quick net search and found
> a shop out West that was willing to ship us the drive for $82,
> including UPS shipping. That ended up being at LEAST $5 cheaper
> than Ebay, and, it took about three days less to get it.
> I don't necessarily agree you should have left negative
> feedback for the seller. If they provided you with exactly what
> was advertised in the auction listing, and did it in a timely fashion
> after you paid for it, they have fulfilled their part of the contract,
> and, should be given positive or, at worst, neutral, feedback.
> Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to bid
> on an item on Ebay. What you pay is YOUR decision. If they have
> misrepresented the item, or not shipped it, or, shipped an empty
> box...perhaps you would have a reason...
> Ah well...what is done is done, I suppose. And, having
> said all that, I also can certainly understand the burst of
> embarressment and anger at realizing that I have screwed myself.
> At least it was not a $1000 item!
> Regards and best wishes for a happy 4th of July.
> Dave Mundt
>
All very true in every legal sense, and I should have done a search on it.
But I felt very *deceived*, which can easily fall along the lines of legalism,
which can be damned some of the time. The man selling the books among
others is still a dishonest snake for it and he gets a negative feedback for
that. Too bad for me and too bad for him. And you know it would make you
feel pretty bad if it happened to you, try to imagine your own natural
reaction when you found out. No one is a "legal monolithic icon" of pure
self discipline!
Later on I did see another book on eBay on making wooden planes, and I did
do searches for it and found it actually more expensive. So I did learn a very
valuable lesson right then. It was like "OOPS! Stupid-ass ME!" BUT there is
a point of mentioning the legality, and that is that Lee Valley or Mr. Lee
might be the owner of the copyright, and it might be illegal that those books
are being sold on the side, by the printing company, and if these creeps work
at the printers they might be stealing them and Mr. Lee should know about
that, and again, "should know all about it". See?
I think you're a bit too "flamey", and hence you need to relax, we're not at
war here. At least I'm not.
Alex
> Rob Lee is the President of Lee-Valley Tools Pty Ltd. He takes the time to
> drop in here quite often to assist with questions on his products.
> Rob has set up direct pay deposit into his web catalogs for a number of
> wreckerites and I suspect is the ultimate beneficiary of North American,
> Canadian and some Australian Will payments and Tax returns.
> Give your wallett to your wife, then look here:
> http://www.leevalley.com/home/main.asp
> Welcome to the Pauper's Guild (aka The Wreck)
>
Oh thanks for that info, yes I have seen the site and gone through it a lot.
Havn't bought anything yet, just studying it all as a newby to my new future
small hobby. Thus I am: "fetus of neanderthalonian galoot", unborn yet in
our strange continuum. I am a large man however.... does the the 'Pauper's
Guild' have a website?
Thanks,
Alex
"AArDvarK" wrote in message ...
> Oh thanks for that info, yes I have seen the site and gone through it a
lot.
> Havn't bought anything yet, just studying it all as a newby to my new
future
> small hobby. Thus I am: "fetus of neanderthalonian galoot", unborn yet in
> our strange continuum. I am a large man however.... does the the 'Pauper's
> Guild' have a website?
The reference to the 'Pauper's Guild' was an attempt at humor. ie once you
start buying from Lee Valley you become a pauper like the rest of us.
Greg
Mr. Lee hello, off topic on this question, I just bought the book you sell
"stanley combination planes" refering to 45, 45, & 55, on eBay having
no idea that it is your publication and never saw it on your site. He has
them up for sale at a buy it now cost of $9.95 and you sell them for
$3.95, as printed in Canada, all the sellers of this book are in Canada so
something funny such as side selling is going on up there I think... is it
legal? Because I feel I waas ripped off, left him a negative fedback too.
Alex
Alex writes:
> just bought the book you sell
>"stanley combination planes" refering to 45, 45, & 55, on eBay having
>no idea that it is your publication and never saw it on your site. He has
>them up for sale at a buy it now cost of $9.95 and you sell them for
>$3.95, as printed in Canada, all the sellers of this book are in Canada so
>something funny such as side selling is going on up there I think... is it
>legal? Because I feel I waas ripped off, left him a negative fedback too.
AFAIK, what the seller did was legal. He bought, probably at retail, a $4.95
book and sold it to you at $9.95. No law anywhere against that. I'm getting rid
of some things at a yard sale today, and if I can find anyone here willing to
pay above retail for my old things, it's legal.
Obviously, your seller had his eye, as it were, open for unwary buyers, people
who had not checked out Lee Valley's Classic Reprint series. Those books are a
treasure trove, IMO. I don't know what Rob Lee's criteria are for
selection--beyond the obvious involvement with woodworking and being out of
copyright--but I hope he doesn't change them. There's a lot of good material
being returned to public view.
Charlie Self
"It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from
man."
H. L. Mencken
AArDvarK wrote:
>
>> Keep your stories strait. If no one is at fault, why did you give the man
>> a negative feedback?
>
> For being a lying snake as to the cost...
>
>> There is nothing dishonest about a price markup.
>
> As above, it is a *deception* in this case as it is with every other
> seller doing the same thing.
>
>> If there were, everyone
>> would sell the same thing at the same price. It wouldn't matter where you
>> shopped as the prices would all be the same. If you want to pay to much,
>> that is your right.
>
> You need to re-read what I wrote again, but carefully. "I feel deceived
> and burned" Okay? That is what the man does waiting for the unknowing to
> purchase on impulse, which I did. My mistake. Happy now?
>
> But no, for that snakey activity he gets a damn negative feedback for it.
> And you don't have a call defending him or questioning me either.
If someone was selling chewing gum for 50 bucks a stick and you bought it,
whose fault would that be?
The fact that you _feel_ decieved and burned does not mean that you _were_
decieved and burned. Perhaps there's a lesson for _you_ to learn here?
> Alex
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Claude Livernoche" <[email protected]> wrote:
>One of our members made this spokeshave and published a report on our
>website La Mortaise.com.
>If you can read in french, here is the report:
>http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
>
>Claude
>
Coo, thanks for the link Claude!
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:08NEc.8708> >
>http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
>> perfectly) I just tested it: http://babelfish.altavista.com/
>
>Umm, if you went to the effort of the translation, you could have posted it
>for all to see.
>
Here is the link to the translated page:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lamortaise.com%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DReviews%26rop%3Dshowcontent%26id%3D4&lp=fr_en
Watch the wrap though.
Thanks for the link AArDvarK.
From the translation: "My choice stopped on a part of amaranth; they sold also
parts of ebony for $5. Not much but enough to make some soles of spokeshaves. "
I had been thinking about using maple but the small size required makes an
exotic material quite appealing :-)
"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wow, five out of ten stars! ;-)
>
> I guess it says good stuff about it, but, my French reading is usually
done
> on a bottle.
>
> BTW Rob, there seems to be a price war on your stuff here in Oz at the
> moment - what's going on?
>
> --
> Groggy (*****)
>
Hi Greg -
Haven't seen what you're referring to....but will scope it out...
We ARE trying to get our prices down in both UK and AUS markets
though...we'll be dropping prices to distributors in both countries soon....
In general though, I think retailers are starting to move away from a fixed
percentage margin pricing strategy, to one of a unit (or transaction) margin
contribution model. (If that makes sense to you!)
Keep in mind too that there've been some fairly large swings in exchange
rates too....and that takes awhile to work through the system...
Cheers -
Rob
You can deal with Lee Valley thru mail order, and on thier site. I have done
both, and have been exceedingly delighted with all service and products.
If you go to thier website, i am sure they would be more than happy to send
you a catalog.
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7GcGc.12895$z81.4832@fed1read01...
>
> > Hi Alex -
> > Yes - this happens quite frequently. Unfortunately, unless the person
> > selling the book uses our copy or images, there's nothing we can do
about
> > it... it generally falls under "let the buyer beware".
> > There are a number of our products which show up on eBay - usually
> > auctioned off by people who live close to our stores...In some cases,
they
> > only purchase the item after the auction completes.
> > Cheers -Rob Lee
> >
>
> HA HA! That sounds rediculous, do you think they make a profit??? Anyway
> I think it would be terrific if you would open a store in my town,
terribly dry
> of high quality woodworking tools, though we have all the major stores
here.
> I think the closest of the type is a competitor, "Woodcraft" in Orange
county
> somewhere, a good 150 miles south from here, southern California coast.
>
> Alex
>
>
Request a Gardening catalog also!
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:20:33 GMT, "js"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You can deal with Lee Valley thru mail order, and on thier site. I have done
>both, and have been exceedingly delighted with all service and products.
>
>If you go to thier website, i am sure they would be more than happy to send
>you a catalog.
"Claude Livernoche" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One of our members made this spokeshave and published a report on our
> website La Mortaise.com.
> If you can read in french, here is the report:
> http://www.lamortaise.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=4
>
> Claude
<snip>
...and if ya can't read in french - you can just count the stars at the
bottom...:)
Cheers -
Rob
(qui parle francais..)