I have had VERY good luck with:
http://www.hartzellwoodstock.bigstep.com/
They deliver a good product. They don't skimp on the board footage. They
are pleasant to deal with.
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"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> someone said:
>
> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
of
> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
> "David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi Dave, Thank you for taking the time to write this. If my memory is
> correct, you're from GA and ordered brown ash. Correct me if I'm
> wrong. Thanks again, Jana
Yup, it is I. I had the bad experience down here in Georgia of being
charged a 17% surcharge on wood for planing and shrinkage. If you take a
board that is 12" X 3/4" X 12" up to the front desk, you get charged for
1.17 board feet. If you are buying 300 bd ft, that is quite a hit. I
ordered 300 bd ft from Hartzell and ended up with a bit more than 300 bd ft.
The tractor trailer delivered it quickly.
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No, none of the yards sell rough lumber only planed with 1 edge straight
line cut. They have a listed price that is competitive with, or higher,
than internet sources. You pick put 15 boards and do all the board foot
measurements and come up with a total of 100 board feet. Then you get to
the front and they do the board foot measurements and come up with a total
of 117 board feet and charge you the advertised price. When questioned
about the board footage, the person at the cash registers explains that the
17% is for shrinkage during kiln drying and for straight edge ripping.
Personally, I thought that getting a board that was 3/4" thick while paying
for 1" lumber already covered the shrinkage during kiln drying. I also
would prefer a board that was not straight line ripped because I use most
boards in 3' o4 4' lengths and they straight line rip an 8', 10' or 12'
board which wastes a lot more material. However, it is not an option to get
boards that are not straight line ripped.
I was able to buy wood from Hartzell and have it shipped to Georgia and save
over $1 a board foot and actually get a board foot that measure 7/8" X 12" X
12".
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>
> >> If they are charging $3 and then adding 17%, it is probably fair, but
the
> >> perception is not.
> >
> > Not that it really matters all that much, but the last statement I don't
> > agree with Ed. If they're charging $3.00 for a finished good then the
> > price
> > should be $3.00. A surcharge on a finished good that adds a surcharge
for
> > the "manufacturing process" is like buying a car and then paying a
> > surcharge
> > for the robotic welders, the paint booths, etc.
>
> OK, a little clarification that should have been added. If the price of
> rough cut is $3 and the price of S4S or S3S is $3 plus 17% that is fair.
It
> should be stated that way on the price bin or huge sign in the warehouse
so
> you know where you stand when you choose your boards. The total price is
> still a fair price in the marketplace (cost of wood plus cost of labor).
>
> My point was that how the charges are handled is really important. If you
> bought top quality oak at $1 and they charged a 17% surcharge you are
> probably going to be PO'd but if the lumber yard down the street that
sells
> it at $5 and offers free services like planing, you walk out with a smile
> even though you paid a much higher price.
>
[email protected] (Mutt) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> www.walllumber.com
>
> No affiliation, just a satisfied customer.
>
> Mutt.
>
>
> "jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
> > nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
Are his prices gross or net tally? Jana
TomL <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> someone said:
>
> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>
> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
HI Tom, The $15 would be the "handling" part of shipping and
handling. This basically covers cutting everything to help reduce
shipping expences saving the customer more than $15 but costing us
that or more in time and waste. I'm going to give you one example.
Someone orders 10 bf of brown ash which was on sale for a year @
$1.60. That's $16. My profit should be about $7. I pay someone to take
it out of the bin, rip it to size, and take it to the mail. That's $4
in wages minus the footage I paid the farmer, cutter, skidder,
trucker, sawyer, and dry kiln. Not to mention, I never have actually
charged that when it comes down to it. I also havn't been paid for
samples either. It just helps weed out the people who want you to
build a kit for them and send them free wood. Hope you understand my
side. Jana
"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have had VERY good luck with:
> http://www.hartzellwoodstock.bigstep.com/
> They deliver a good product. They don't skimp on the board footage. They
> are pleasant to deal with.
>
>
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>
> "TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> > someone said:
> >
> > >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
> of
> > >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
Hi Dave, Thank you for taking the time to write this. If my memory is
correct, you're from GA and ordered brown ash. Correct me if I'm
wrong. Thanks again, Jana
TomL <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 1 Sep 2004 07:13:26 -0700, [email protected] (Jana) someone
> said:
>
> >TomL <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> >> someone said:
> >>
> >> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
> >> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
> >>
> >> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
> >> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
> >> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
> >> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
> >
> > HI Tom, The $15 would be the "handling" part of shipping and
> >handling. This basically covers cutting everything to help reduce
> >shipping expences saving the customer more than $15 but costing us
> >that or more in time and waste. I'm going to give you one example.
> >Someone orders 10 bf of brown ash which was on sale for a year @
> >$1.60. That's $16. My profit should be about $7. I pay someone to take
> >it out of the bin, rip it to size, and take it to the mail. That's $4
> >in wages minus the footage I paid the farmer, cutter, skidder,
> >trucker, sawyer, and dry kiln. Not to mention, I never have actually
> >charged that when it comes down to it. I also havn't been paid for
> >samples either. It just helps weed out the people who want you to
> >build a kit for them and send them free wood. Hope you understand my
> >side. Jana
>
> Jana, I do understand your side so why not increase your prices a bit
> to allow for your overhead? $1.60 is a great price for brown ash, but
> the buyer pays more than the $1.60 after the 'handling' charge is
> tacked on. If I go to the grocery store in response to an ad for an
> item at a low price, I do not expect to be charged additional for the
> bag in which my items are placed or for having the packer pack my
> items. From what I've read here in this Forum, Hartzell is an honest,
> reliable resource for woodworkers. I have no reason to doubt that but
> the handling charge kinda sticks in my craw. As for the sample
> seekers, I leave that up to your business acumen to weed them out
> and/or charge them accordingly. Possibly you could charge for samples
> and then deduct those charges from future order? Legit purchasers
> should not have to underwrite the samples.
Hi Tom, Your suggestion regarding samples is actually our policy. I
just think it's stupid to double handle money so I continue to blow
off the charge and send them out. Back to the handling charge thing.
I've been spending hours every day going through emails from people
who send me their project list, down to every last detail, and either
want me to figure out the footage for them or tell me what the footage
is, right down to the decimal point for exactly what the order is.
Either way, it's these people who don't understand the concept of
waste, so I have to explain that to them. By the time it's all said
and done, they don't order anyway. I'm still willing to take the time
but it but it can't be all I do. There are companies like Rockler,
Woodcraft, Paxtons, who make their money by processing and selling
small amounts. I know because I cash checks from them. The prices on
my site are for s2s, which should tell people that we mainly sell
volume. I have to run my business thinking in the thousands...not
singles. I have 30 people who depend on my business to make, at least,
a portion of their living off to think about, too. To respond to your
price change on small orders...I don't run my business like that. Same
price for everything unless you're talking truck loads. If I have a
deal to offer, I put it out there for everyone. I don't have all those
hidden charges. I don't even charge/deduct for shrinkage. I don't
charge a flat $20 just to turn on the planer when someone wants
something planed. If a customer comes in and wants to sort his own
lumber...there's the pack ~take what you want~ and stack it back like
you found it...and the list goes on. ~ I really don't know how to sum
this up, so I'll just end here. Jana
Check out Wall Lumber Co. I have gotten excellent results from them. They have
good buys on "project wood" in small amounts that I have not seen anywhere
else. I just built two chairs with ash from them, some of the best wood I have
ever worked with. I am not related to the company in any way, just a happy
customer. GCS
Thanks all, I'll try some of these. Anybody used any of the eBay vendors?
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>
> yeah I got it later, thanks.
> Alex
>
>
www.walllumber.com
No affiliation, just a satisfied customer.
Mutt.
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
> nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
http://www.bristolvalley.com/
Purchase wood from them on several occasions.
Very prompt and high quality.
Normally get 25bf of ash for $79 INCLUDING shipping via UPS.
Ron
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
of
> nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>
> --
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"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Yup, it is I. I had the bad experience down here in Georgia of being
> charged a 17% surcharge on wood for planing and shrinkage. If you take a
> board that is 12" X 3/4" X 12" up to the front desk, you get charged for
> 1.17 board feet. If you are buying 300 bd ft, that is quite a hit. I
> ordered 300 bd ft from Hartzell and ended up with a bit more than 300 bd
> ft.
> The tractor trailer delivered it quickly.
Interesting concept. Of course there is a loss for planing and a cost for
doing it, and nothing is free. Can you pay the list price on rough cut
stock?
I have two sources that will joint and plane my wood purchases. The service
is "free", but the cost has to covered in there someplace. I guess it is a
matter of perception and actual prices. If the going price for oak is $3
and they charge $2.50 for rough cut and $2.93 for the planed after
surcharge, it is a good deal but you are unhappy with the surcharge. If
they charge $3.50 for rough and do the planing "free" you have a big happy
smile while getting porked in the rear.
If they are charging $3 and then adding 17%, it is probably fair, but the
perception is not.
Ed
Local hardwood dealer I USED to deal with added 50% for "shrinkage"
and I shared my opinion! Got a shrug when I asked "Why not add it to
selling price?".
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:41:59 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Then you get to
>> the front and they do the board foot measurements and come up with a total
>> of 117 board feet and charge you the advertised price. When questioned
>> about the board footage, the person at the cash registers explains that
>> the
>> 17% is for shrinkage during kiln drying and for straight edge ripping.
>>
>> Personally, I thought that getting a board that was 3/4" thick while
>> paying
>> for 1" lumber already covered the shrinkage during kiln drying.
>
>I would think so. Why not just make the price 17% higher to begin with if
>that is what they want to sell it for. Do they supply the Vaseline or do
>you have to bring your own? ;)
>
>Thanks for the explanation.
>
www.woodfinder.com - let it do the work for you.
I've used Sandy Pond, Berea Hardwoods and Good Hope before. Good experiences
with all.
Gary in KC
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
of
> nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>
> --
> -Jim
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>
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>
www.gilmerwood.com
Never bought anything from them (yet!) but they do have some beautiful
wood. Downside is you have to order a minimum of $100 worth, and some
of their prices seem kind of high (Then again, it's probably not that
high for what they sell)
jtpr wrote:
> Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
> nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>
> --
> -Jim
> ©¿©¬
>
> If you want to reply by email its --> ryan at jimryan dot com
> Please use BCC and lets all avoid spam
>
>
"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Then you get to
> the front and they do the board foot measurements and come up with a total
> of 117 board feet and charge you the advertised price. When questioned
> about the board footage, the person at the cash registers explains that
> the
> 17% is for shrinkage during kiln drying and for straight edge ripping.
>
> Personally, I thought that getting a board that was 3/4" thick while
> paying
> for 1" lumber already covered the shrinkage during kiln drying.
I would think so. Why not just make the price 17% higher to begin with if
that is what they want to sell it for. Do they supply the Vaseline or do
you have to bring your own? ;)
Thanks for the explanation.
[email protected] (Jana) wrote in news:156b8f23.0409010719.225cc033
@posting.google.com:
> Hi Dave, Thank you for taking the time to write this. If my memory is
> correct, you're from GA and ordered brown ash. Correct me if I'm
> wrong. Thanks again, Jana
>
I'm not Dave, but anyways ...
Just subscribed to the email newsletter as [email protected]
(munged).
My question: I've tried looking at the website to see how to order things
for shipment to NJ, but couldn't really find an order page at
<http://www.hartzellwoodstock.bigstep.com/>
I have to order by email or phone?
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jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Drop them an email. Jana will answer rather quickly. I am waiting
> (impatiently) for a bunch of white oak from Hartzell. Found dealing
> with them simple and straightforward. :-)
> mahalo,
> jo4hn
>
Thanks, Jo4hn!
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Han wrote:
> [email protected] (Jana) wrote in news:156b8f23.0409010719.225cc033
[snip]
>
> My question: I've tried looking at the website to see how to order things
> for shipment to NJ, but couldn't really find an order page at
> <http://www.hartzellwoodstock.bigstep.com/>
>
> I have to order by email or phone?
>
Drop them an email. Jana will answer rather quickly. I am waiting
(impatiently) for a bunch of white oak from Hartzell. Found dealing
with them simple and straightforward. :-)
mahalo,
jo4hn
"David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have had VERY good luck with:
> http://www.hartzellwoodstock.bigstep.com/
> They deliver a good product. They don't skimp on the board footage. They
> are pleasant to deal with.
>
These people are great to work with and have the best prices around
that I have seen.
Scott
"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> someone said:
>
> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
of
> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>
> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
>
>
Just curious, what was your bad experience with West Penn? Was it the
product or the shipping? I've had good luck with them, but they're only
50mi. away, so I shop in person.
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"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:07:12 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
> <[email protected]> someone said:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> My first order had quality issues. Some cups, bows and warps. I phoned
> them and was told it would be made up in my next order. Several weeks
> after I called in another order and reminded them of their promise to
> make up for the poor quality of the first. I was told the order would
> go out within the next 2 days. I'm only 2 UPS days away from them so
> when I did not receive the order nearly 2 weeks later I phoned again.
> I was told that they had a person out sick for a few days and my order
> was 'probably lost'. Canceled the order and purchased through Hardwood
> Store of Carolina.
OK. Thanks for the answer. As I said, I shop in person, so it's a different
situation.
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"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 1 Sep 2004 07:13:26 -0700, [email protected] (Jana) someone
> said:
>
> >TomL <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
> >> someone said:
> >>
> >> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes
out of
> >> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
> >>
> >> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
> >> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
> >> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
> >> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
> >
> > HI Tom, The $15 would be the "handling" part of shipping and
> >handling. This basically covers cutting everything to help reduce
> >shipping expences saving the customer more than $15 but costing us
> >that or more in time and waste. I'm going to give you one example.
> >Someone orders 10 bf of brown ash which was on sale for a year @
> >$1.60. That's $16. My profit should be about $7. I pay someone to take
> >it out of the bin, rip it to size, and take it to the mail. That's $4
> >in wages minus the footage I paid the farmer, cutter, skidder,
> >trucker, sawyer, and dry kiln. Not to mention, I never have actually
> >charged that when it comes down to it. I also havn't been paid for
> >samples either. It just helps weed out the people who want you to
> >build a kit for them and send them free wood. Hope you understand my
> >side. Jana
>
> Jana, I do understand your side so why not increase your prices a bit
> to allow for your overhead? $1.60 is a great price for brown ash, but
> the buyer pays more than the $1.60 after the 'handling' charge is
> tacked on. If I go to the grocery store in response to an ad for an
> item at a low price, I do not expect to be charged additional for the
> bag in which my items are placed or for having the packer pack my
> items.
that's in the US. surprised the heck out of me when i was charged for bags
in stockholm the first time i went into the grocery store.
> From what I've read here in this Forum, Hartzell is an honest,
> reliable resource for woodworkers. I have no reason to doubt that but
> the handling charge kinda sticks in my craw. As for the sample
> seekers, I leave that up to your business acumen to weed them out
> and/or charge them accordingly. Possibly you could charge for samples
> and then deduct those charges from future order? Legit purchasers
> should not have to underwrite the samples.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David Chamberlain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Yup, it is I. I had the bad experience down here in Georgia of being
> > charged a 17% surcharge on wood for planing and shrinkage. If you take
a
> > board that is 12" X 3/4" X 12" up to the front desk, you get charged for
> > 1.17 board feet. If you are buying 300 bd ft, that is quite a hit. I
> > ordered 300 bd ft from Hartzell and ended up with a bit more than 300 bd
> > ft.
> > The tractor trailer delivered it quickly.
>
> Interesting concept. Of course there is a loss for planing and a cost for
> doing it, and nothing is free. Can you pay the list price on rough cut
> stock?
>
> I have two sources that will joint and plane my wood purchases. The
service
> is "free", but the cost has to covered in there someplace. I guess it is
a
> matter of perception and actual prices. If the going price for oak is $3
> and they charge $2.50 for rough cut and $2.93 for the planed after
> surcharge, it is a good deal but you are unhappy with the surcharge. If
> they charge $3.50 for rough and do the planing "free" you have a big happy
> smile while getting porked in the rear.
>
> If they are charging $3 and then adding 17%, it is probably fair, but the
> perception is not.
Not that it really matters all that much, but the last statement I don't
agree with Ed. If they're charging $3.00 for a finished good then the price
should be $3.00. A surcharge on a finished good that adds a surcharge for
the "manufacturing process" is like buying a car and then paying a surcharge
for the robotic welders, the paint booths, etc. Or, like marrying a woman
and paying a surcharge for all of the years that went into developing her
into what she is when you marry her... oh wait, we do that, don't we. Ok,
I won't ague the point any further.
--
-Mike-
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:07:12 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
<[email protected]> someone said:
>
>
>
>
>"TomL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
>> someone said:
>>
>> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out
>of
>> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>>
>> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
>> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
>> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
>> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
>>
>>
>
>Just curious, what was your bad experience with West Penn? Was it the
>product or the shipping? I've had good luck with them, but they're only
>50mi. away, so I shop in person.
My first order had quality issues. Some cups, bows and warps. I phoned
them and was told it would be made up in my next order. Several weeks
after I called in another order and reminded them of their promise to
make up for the poor quality of the first. I was told the order would
go out within the next 2 days. I'm only 2 UPS days away from them so
when I did not receive the order nearly 2 weeks later I phoned again.
I was told that they had a person out sick for a few days and my order
was 'probably lost'. Canceled the order and purchased through Hardwood
Store of Carolina.
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
someone said:
>Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
>nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
On 1 Sep 2004 07:13:26 -0700, [email protected] (Jana) someone
said:
>TomL <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:12:52 -0400, "jtpr" <[email protected]>
>> someone said:
>>
>> >Anybody had good experiences? I want to try making a few small boxes out of
>> >nice hardwoods, so the pieces don't have to be real big.
>>
>> Wall lumber is good. Hardwood store of Carolina is also good.
>> Bad experience with West Penn hardwood.
>> Would have suggested Hartzell Woodstock but they instituted a $15.
>> surcharge for orders under 50 bd. ft.
>
> HI Tom, The $15 would be the "handling" part of shipping and
>handling. This basically covers cutting everything to help reduce
>shipping expences saving the customer more than $15 but costing us
>that or more in time and waste. I'm going to give you one example.
>Someone orders 10 bf of brown ash which was on sale for a year @
>$1.60. That's $16. My profit should be about $7. I pay someone to take
>it out of the bin, rip it to size, and take it to the mail. That's $4
>in wages minus the footage I paid the farmer, cutter, skidder,
>trucker, sawyer, and dry kiln. Not to mention, I never have actually
>charged that when it comes down to it. I also havn't been paid for
>samples either. It just helps weed out the people who want you to
>build a kit for them and send them free wood. Hope you understand my
>side. Jana
Jana, I do understand your side so why not increase your prices a bit
to allow for your overhead? $1.60 is a great price for brown ash, but
the buyer pays more than the $1.60 after the 'handling' charge is
tacked on. If I go to the grocery store in response to an ad for an
item at a low price, I do not expect to be charged additional for the
bag in which my items are placed or for having the packer pack my
items. From what I've read here in this Forum, Hartzell is an honest,
reliable resource for woodworkers. I have no reason to doubt that but
the handling charge kinda sticks in my craw. As for the sample
seekers, I leave that up to your business acumen to weed them out
and/or charge them accordingly. Possibly you could charge for samples
and then deduct those charges from future order? Legit purchasers
should not have to underwrite the samples.
TomL wrote:
[snip]
> Jana, I do understand your side so why not increase your prices a bit
> to allow for your overhead? $1.60 is a great price for brown ash, but
> the buyer pays more than the $1.60 after the 'handling' charge is
> tacked on.
The small lot charge is displayed right up front for all to see. If you
order a larger shipment (perhaps to share with other local wooddorkers)
the charge goes away.
mahalo,
jo4hn
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> If they are charging $3 and then adding 17%, it is probably fair, but the
>> perception is not.
>
> Not that it really matters all that much, but the last statement I don't
> agree with Ed. If they're charging $3.00 for a finished good then the
> price
> should be $3.00. A surcharge on a finished good that adds a surcharge for
> the "manufacturing process" is like buying a car and then paying a
> surcharge
> for the robotic welders, the paint booths, etc.
OK, a little clarification that should have been added. If the price of
rough cut is $3 and the price of S4S or S3S is $3 plus 17% that is fair. It
should be stated that way on the price bin or huge sign in the warehouse so
you know where you stand when you choose your boards. The total price is
still a fair price in the marketplace (cost of wood plus cost of labor).
My point was that how the charges are handled is really important. If you
bought top quality oak at $1 and they charged a 17% surcharge you are
probably going to be PO'd but if the lumber yard down the street that sells
it at $5 and offers free services like planing, you walk out with a smile
even though you paid a much higher price.
Buying a car, it is rare that anyone wants the parts delivered so they can
do the welding and painting at home. With wood, it is often the buyers
choice. As I stated, I can have my wood planed for "free" but sometimes I
don't accept the option and prefer to do it myself. If that is the case, the
seller make a bit more profit from me.
I'm going to the shoe store later today. Legally, the can't put a surcharge
on the price if I use my charge card. If I pay cash, they give me a
discount though.
Ed
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AArDvarK wrote:
>>www.walllumber.com
>>No affiliation, just a satisfied customer.
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> Sounds like two people like this business and good for me and my ideas considering my
> local resources! Site doesn't work right now "The page cannot be displayed", try it out
> and get back on it here?
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> Alex
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