I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting woods
that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:36:20 GMT, "David P" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
>product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
>style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
>believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
>soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
>builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
>the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting woods
>that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
>
This is one of those apparently simple questions that doesn't have a
single simple answer.
On a national level, the stuff that comes out of High Point, North
Carolina indicates what the market will be for a good chunk of the
mass furniture market.
On the kitchen cabinet side, the Kitchen Cabinet Manufacturers
Association has a bi-weekly newsletter on design trends within their
industry.
The two industries have sufficient volume needs that they can drive
prices this way and that. They also buy in anticipation of the market
and can create a shortage/price increase before the trend is actually
in place.
Sometimes this leads yards to buy too much of a certain wood before
their local market can absorb it. They sometimes buy high (or try to
anticipate the trend and buy low, but mark up high) and then have to
discount the wood when it doesn't move.
Cherry has been on a roll for a number of years and has driven the
price up to where it is beyond that of walnut, which used to hold the
volume position that cherry does now.
Local markets are driven by the volume of the sub markets in their
area. I build mostly high-end traditional style built-ins, in the
Main Line area outside of Philadelphia. This market's design trends
don't come from High Point or KCMA but from Architectural Digest and
interior design magazines that feature the current work of designers.
However, the volume of this market is not enough to sway national
pricing, although it has some effect on regional stocking and pricing.
On a very local level the price of wood that can be acquired from
independent sawmills is driven by local supply. In Pennsylvania we
grow a lot of cherry and we can get it a lot cheaper than someone can
in California but our Western Red Cedar costs are much higher.
The saddest result of market changes is when it goes from clear
finished wood to painted wood (particularly in kitchen cabinets).
I've torn out what must have been beautiful, clear finished wood
cabinetry, when it was built - because it had been sprayed over with
an opaque finish and now the trend had gone back to clear finished
wood.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
David P wrote:
>> But it does look real nice with maple accents ;-)
> I couldn't agree more!
Me three. I'm doing a chess box in walnut/maple as we speak. I'm glad I
got talked out of using birch for this. (Thanks JOAT!)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
... snip
>
> Cherry has been on a roll for a number of years and has driven the
> price up to where it is beyond that of walnut, which used to hold the
> volume position that cherry does now.
>
Just my luck. I've always liked cherry, my wife likes cherry and that
is what we are planning to use for the new kitchen cabinets in the next
several months. Yep, buy at the peak of the market, that's me. OTOH,
I'm not going to use something that I like less on a project that, Lord
willing, will last the rest of my lifetime.
Or as they used to say to us - an instrument rating doesn't mean you have to
fly in bad weather.
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After a snowstorm I walked down to the supermarket about a block from our
> house. The parking lot was about 1/4 filled with vehicles -- every last
> stinking one of them a SUV. I had a good laugh when I saw it. I could
> almost hear the conversations before each vehicle's hazardous trek:
"Margo,
> we paid $$$ for our four-wheel drive. By gum, I'm going to DRIVE to the
> market and get that jar of salad dressing!"
"David P" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
>product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
>style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
>believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
>soooo last year".
If we use rising price as an indicator of demand, then I'd have to say
that this is the year of plywood and OSB.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Chris Merrill <[email protected]> schreef
> The furniture companies
> are the ones that call furniture stained dark red/maroon "cherry".
> As Joe Consumer, it's completely reasonable to assume the furniture
> company knows what they're talking about, right? At least, until you
> realize that they're wrong half the time. The stain companies are not
> any better...we all know that 'cherry' stain doesn't look anything
> like cherry, fresh or aged.
+ + +
Careful. Careful. Careful.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Cherry stain looks exactly like cherry.
Think lipstick. Think fruit. Think car paint.
If you have to think of a wood, think mahogany.
If cherry stain looked like cherry wood you would have to compare it to real
cherry (ie European), not Black Cherry, which actually is not cherry at all.
Just shows how dangerous it is to think names mean what you think they mean
;-)
PvR
PVR states:
>Careful. Careful. Careful.
>
>You don't know what you are talking about.
>Cherry stain looks exactly like cherry.
>Think lipstick. Think fruit. Think car paint.
>If you have to think of a wood, think mahogany.
>
>If cherry stain looked like cherry wood you would have to compare it to real
>cherry (ie European), not Black Cherry, which actually is not cherry at all.
>Just shows how dangerous it is to think names mean what you think they mean
Prunus avium vs. prunus serotina. Which is not cherry?
Charlie Self
"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use
our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson
Charlie Self <[email protected]> schreef
> Prunus avium vs. Prunus serotina. Which is not cherry?
+ + +
Prunus persica (peach)
Prunus armeniaca (apricot)
Prunus dulcis (almond)
Prunus x domestica (plum, prune)
are not cherries, nor are most of the 200+ members of Prunus
PvR
PVR responds:
>Charlie Self <[email protected]> schreef
>> Prunus avium vs. Prunus serotina. Which is not cherry?
>
>+ + +
>Prunus persica (peach)
>Prunus armeniaca (apricot)
>Prunus dulcis (almond)
>Prunus x domestica (plum, prune)
>
>are not cherries, nor are most of the 200+ members of Prunus
SFW? What makes the determination that only ONE of the original 2 mentioned is
a cherry?
Charlie Self
"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use
our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson
Juergen Hannappel <[email protected]> schreef
> In http://biodiversity.uno.edu/delta/wood/en/www/rospravi.htm
> both (Prunus avium and Prunus serotina) are listed as cherry,
> the difference being the distribution P. avium in europe, P. serotina
> in northern america. Do the P. serotina trees produce edible/delicius
> fruit?
+ + +
Let's be real esoteric and refer to Holz aktuell, Heft 5/1985 p7-35
The fruit universally known as cherry is from Prunus avium (with some Prunus
cerasus thrown in).
The wood sold as cherry is almost all Prunus serotina. Why? Because you just
can't get the wood of Prunus avium (beyond the occasional tree here and
there). Prunus avium is grown for the fruit and these days that means little
trees (with no merchantable wood), while Prunus serotina is grown only for
the wood. However the reputation of cherry as a timber (including the famous
"cherry stain") was made by Prunus avium.
With both the fruit known as "cherry" and the reputation as a timber coming
from Prunus avium there is no doubt in my mind as to what is the real
cherry.
As to why a tree does not become a "cherry" by calling it Black cherry and
abbreviating it, may I suggest looking at Australia's She Oak, Silk Oak and
Tasmanian Oak, none of which are oaks. Lets not get into the mahoganies,
with Philippine mahogany, Burma mahogany, etc.
PvR
Or "tulip-poplar," which is neither a tulip nor a poplar.
P. serotina produces an astringent fruit only a bird could love. With some
sweet, makes a strong-flavored jelly or a tasty wine/cordial.
"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Juergen Hannappel <[email protected]> schreef
> > In http://biodiversity.uno.edu/delta/wood/en/www/rospravi.htm
> > both (Prunus avium and Prunus serotina) are listed as cherry,
> > the difference being the distribution P. avium in europe, P. serotina
> > in northern america. Do the P. serotina trees produce edible/delicius
> > fruit?
>
> + + +
>
> As to why a tree does not become a "cherry" by calling it Black cherry and
> abbreviating it, may I suggest looking at Australia's She Oak, Silk Oak
and
> Tasmanian Oak, none of which are oaks. Lets not get into the mahoganies,
> with Philippine mahogany, Burma mahogany, etc.
> PvR
>
>
>
[email protected] (Charlie Self) writes:
> PVR responds:
>
>>Charlie Self <[email protected]> schreef
>>> Prunus avium vs. Prunus serotina. Which is not cherry?
[...]
>
> SFW? What makes the determination that only ONE of the original 2
> mentioned is a cherry?
In http://biodiversity.uno.edu/delta/wood/en/www/rospravi.htm
both (Prunus avium and Prunus serotina) are listed as cherry,
the difference being the distribiution P. avium in europe, P. serotina
in northern america. Do the P. serotina trees produce edible/delicius
fruit?
With regard to the original question of the color they¹ say: "Heartwood
basically brown to red to yellow to white or grey.", i.o.w. many
possibilities, so color doesn't tell...
¹)H. G. Richter and M. J. Dallwitz (2000 onwards). Commercial timbers:
descriptions, illustrations, identification, and information
retrieval. In English, French, German, and Spanish. Version: 18th
October 2002. http://biodiversity.uno.edu/delta/
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On 15 Nov 2003 09:12:38 GMT, [email protected] (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:
>PVR states:
>
>>Careful. Careful. Careful.
>>
>>You don't know what you are talking about.
>>Cherry stain looks exactly like cherry.
I call it "reddish brown shit", or RBS for short.
>>Think lipstick. Think fruit. Think car paint.
>>If you have to think of a wood, think mahogany.
>>
>>If cherry stain looked like cherry wood you would have to compare it to real
>>cherry (ie European), not Black Cherry, which actually is not cherry at all.
>>Just shows how dangerous it is to think names mean what you think they mean
>
>Prunus avium vs. prunus serotina. Which is not cherry?
It's plum purty, that's what it is.
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David P wrote:
> So what drives the wood fashions in the marketplace?
I know several women who want to redecorate every time they
watch a new show on HGTV. A lot of people don't really know
what they like...more specifically, they like whatever everyone
else likes...it's just fashion. yawn.
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
> good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
> perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the
> pundits?
Who gives a rip what the pundits think? <g> What do YOU like?
In my house it's a challenge. SWMBO likes light colors; I dream of heavy,
dark, elegant built-in bookcases.
-- Mark
It comes down to the decorating Market
then it filters to the stores that are selling and designing.
All woods hold there own in the market place, Some just burn them selves out
Pickeled Oak aka whiewash drove me crazy with people clamoring over it.
Light to Med stained oak is always a big seller, and i believe Natural
Maple has run its course as a leader but will stay as the light to medium
oaks as a big seller.
Here on the west coast Alder maintaine a fair demand.
Cherry will not become a leader because of the cost
Right now I personally do not see any wood that is in a leader,
its pretty much like the fashion industry Anything Goes
Anyway we decided to do our Kitchen in Paint, Oh ya it will knock most socks
off.
"David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
> style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
> soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
> the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
woods
> that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
>
>
I like oak, but I think I'm getting a bit tired of it and in the spirit
of the OP's question, I too, wonder if a certain wood is in. Look at
all the homes with black granite countertops now. Look at the cherry
raised panel doors without arches. Stainless appliances. That's the trend.
I wasn't asking the question to have someone tell me what I, personally
should put in. I'll put in whatever I finally decide to!
Hey, I'm the guy who got a Unisaw when the vote was for the Powermatic.
dave
Mark Jerde wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>>good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
>>perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the
>>pundits?
>
>
> Who gives a rip what the pundits think? <g> What do YOU like?
>
> In my house it's a challenge. SWMBO likes light colors; I dream of heavy,
> dark, elegant built-in bookcases.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
David E. Penner wrote:
> Got to agree with this. In fact, most people can't tell what real walnut,
> cherry or maple looks like. Most of the furniture in our house is either
Not all of the blame rests on the consumer. The furniture companies
are the ones that call furniture stained dark red/maroon "cherry".
As Joe Consumer, it's completely reasonable to assume the furniture
company knows what they're talking about, right? At least, until you
realize that they're wrong half the time. The stain companies are not
any better...we all know that 'cherry' stain doesn't look anything
like cherry, fresh or aged.
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[email protected]
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
> good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
> perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the pundits?
>
> dave
I like oak for a variety of reasons, but on something like
kitchen cabinets that are going to be in the same place for
years, the strong grain patterns in oak seem a bit
overpowering. We still have some good oak furniture that we
intend to keep for a long time, but it isn't as in your face
as a wall of kitchen cabinets. IMHO oak makes great accent
pieces.
Maple and cherry both have mild enough grain patterns that
they don't stand there and shout what kind of wood they are
for the next few decades.
If you are going to leave the wood it's natural color, it's
important that you consider what color schemes you like and
are likely to want to use in the future.
In the end, whatever wood that lights your candle is the
right one for you.
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Yes, but I find it strange that wood can be so fashionable. For example, I
like walnut better than maple, next year I will still like walnut better, 10
years from now I will still like walnut better than maple. So what drives
the wood fashions in the marketplace? Why is cherry hot this year and last
year it was some other wood? I'm guessing it's just what wood is readily
available in large supply for the year and the marketing people push it to
the consumers as this years "in" wood.
On TV we see beautiful models telling us to wear this or that and, I don't
know about you guys, but my wife try's to keep up with whatever someone on
TV tells her is hot this season. But I haven't seen a commercial suggesting
that this year I should look for the exclusive "made from cherry" official
seal on any new furniture that I buy and that I should accept nothing less.
So how is it that one wood becomes popular for the year? I would think that
peoples taste in wood would be extremely varied making wood sales rather
randomized based on price and availability. I'll bet most consumers don't
really care what wood their furniture is made from, they just like a certain
color which means any wood can be fashionable with the right can of stain.
There should not be a "hot" wood for the year - statistically.
"Charles Spitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> > I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> > product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change
is
> > style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> > believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that
was
> > soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> > builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts
all
> > the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
> woods
> > that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
> >
>
> fashion. same reason hemlines go up and down, colors change, and cars
don't
> have fins anymore.
>
> regards,
> charlie
> cave creek, az
>
>
"David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
> style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
> soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
> the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
woods
> that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
Currently "in" species for me include cherry, ash, basswood, hard and soft
maple, yellow birch, black locust, and red oak.
Why?
Because they are all logs sitting in a pile next to my Wood-Mizer, waiting
to be sawn into a couple of thousand board feet of free (*) lumber to be
used in my new house.
I'll take whatever I can get, but I ain't paying for it any more. Kinda
like marriage....
Jon E
(*) - free does not include my labor, the cost of gas and blades, and a new
log chain for my tractor. OK, maybe 5 or 6 cents a board foot. :)
Dave,
Just been thru all this with my sister-in-law and niece - both remodeling
kitchens and I'm been doing the cabinet doors and building some French doors
and bay window cabinets.
None of those woods in your list are out of style but each wood does fit
better with a particular cabinet style. If it were French country, the
cherry fits nicely, traditional then maple and oak for classic country.
Just some examples...there's plenty more. It's probably the stain color
that dates cabinetry more than any other factor - not the wood type.
Bob S.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
> perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the pundits?
>
> dave
What we need is a woodworking reality show!
Would it be like trading spaces?
People doing things to their wood that would make most of us throw up.
Would it be like the bachelor?
Someone trying to con a group of woodworkers that its a truckload of
cherry instead of pine.
Or would it be like the Most Extreme Elimination show on SpikeTV? Have
you seen this one?
Woodworkers trying to complete projects with faulty dull tools while
dressed funny and voice overs have us believe they are saying things
that they are not.
Chris Merrill wrote:
> David P wrote:
>
>> So what drives the wood fashions in the marketplace?
>
>
> I know several women who want to redecorate every time they
> watch a new show on HGTV. A lot of people don't really know
> what they like...more specifically, they like whatever everyone
> else likes...it's just fashion. yawn.
>
Hmm, haven't tried that one. I guess I will have to wait until spring,
we had our first hard freeze last night.
BRuce
Charlie Self wrote:
> Bill Kossack asks:
>
>
>>Would it be like the bachelor?
>> Someone trying to con a group of woodworkers that its a truckload of
>>cherry instead of pine.
>>Or would it be like the Most Extreme Elimination show on SpikeTV? Have
>>you seen this one?
>
>
> Haven't seen any of them. If I get that hard up for entertainment, I'll sit
> outdoors and spit on ants.
>
> Charlie Self
>
> "Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
> function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
> things." Sir Winston Churchill
>
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Bill Kossack asks:
>Would it be like the bachelor?
> Someone trying to con a group of woodworkers that its a truckload of
>cherry instead of pine.
>Or would it be like the Most Extreme Elimination show on SpikeTV? Have
>you seen this one?
Haven't seen any of them. If I get that hard up for entertainment, I'll sit
outdoors and spit on ants.
Charlie Self
"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill
PS I don't watch them either except for Most Extreme after a
particularly bad day
Charlie Self wrote:
>Bill Kossack asks:
>
>
>
>>Would it be like the bachelor?
>> Someone trying to con a group of woodworkers that its a truckload of
>>cherry instead of pine.
>>Or would it be like the Most Extreme Elimination show on SpikeTV? Have
>>you seen this one?
>>
>>
>
>Haven't seen any of them. If I get that hard up for entertainment, I'll sit
>outdoors and spit on ants.
>
>Charlie Self
>
>"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
>function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
>things." Sir Winston Churchill
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BRuce <BRuce> wrote:
> Hmm, haven't tried that one. I guess I will have to wait until spring,
> we had our first hard freeze last night.
You should see my pond. Even at noon it was full of ice.
It's too damn early for this.
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Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> said:
> good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under
> re-evaluation. perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice.
> What say the pundits?
I've been hearing more and more about sassafras.
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cherry in, plain sawn oak out!
"Bob S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave,
>
> Just been thru all this with my sister-in-law and niece - both remodeling
> kitchens and I'm been doing the cabinet doors and building some French
doors
> and bay window cabinets.
>
> None of those woods in your list are out of style but each wood does fit
> better with a particular cabinet style. If it were French country, the
> cherry fits nicely, traditional then maple and oak for classic country.
> Just some examples...there's plenty more. It's probably the stain color
> that dates cabinetry more than any other factor - not the wood type.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
> > perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the pundits?
> >
> > dave
>
>
Mark Jerde wrote:
> After a snowstorm I walked down to the supermarket about a block from our
> house. The parking lot was about 1/4 filled with vehicles -- every last
> stinking one of them a SUV. I had a good laugh when I saw it. I could
I laughed my ass off a few years back. Going around a curve behind some
big, bright red 4WD behemoth in some pretty treacherous snow. The guy was
teetering on the brink of wiping out, kept almost losing it again and
again. I didn't have any trouble negotiating the same curve in my little
wussy front wheel drive car.
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"David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
> style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
> soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
> the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
woods
> that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
>
fashion. same reason hemlines go up and down, colors change, and cars don't
have fins anymore.
regards,
charlie
cave creek, az
"Charles Spitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> > I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> > product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change
is
> > style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> > believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that
was
> > soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> > builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts
all
> > the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
> woods
> > that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
> >
>
> fashion. same reason hemlines go up and down, colors change, and cars
don't
> have fins anymore.
>
Are you saying there is a relationship between hemlines and wood?
-Jack
Sawdust225 wrote:
> A short hemline can give me a woodie!
Nah, not me. Not really. Sure, I like looking at'em, but IME women who
wear stuff like that look good and damn well know it. They learned from
childhood how to manipulate the male of the species, and they use that fact
to their advantage ruthlessly. We're nothing more than meat to them.
(Or so I tell myself every time I try not to get depressed when I look at
SWMBO. ;)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:UzUsb.142687$275.430267@attbi_s53...
> > I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> > product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
> > style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> > believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
> > soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> > builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
> > the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting
> woods
> > that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
> >
>
> fashion. same reason hemlines go up and down, colors change,
> and cars don't have fins anymore.
>
Thought that one was because good taste finally got the upper hand.
:-)
In article <SuXsb.197058$Fm2.181809@attbi_s04>, "David P"
<[email protected]> wrote:
SNIP
>
>I'll bet most consumers don't
> really care what wood their furniture is made from, they just like a certain
> color which means any wood can be fashionable with the right can of stain.
> There should not be a "hot" wood for the year - statistically.
>
> SNIP
Got to agree with this. In fact, most people can't tell what real walnut,
cherry or maple looks like. Most of the furniture in our house is either
cherry or walnut (I do this for a living--well, I try to do to this for a
living). I'm constantly amazed how often somebody asks what the wood is.
The point about stain being more important than color reminds me of
talking with my in-laws. They built a huge house in Florida, complete with
"cherry" cabinets. I still swear they were maple with the most non-cherry
"cherry" stain that I've ever seen. Of course, what would I know about
wood.
David
good question. MY dream kitchen of oak is now under re-evaluation.
perhaps cherry or maple would be a better choice. What say the pundits?
dave
David P wrote:
> I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
> product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
> style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
> believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
> soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
> builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
> the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting woods
> that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
>
>
Mark Jerde wrote:
> In my house it's a challenge. SWMBO likes light colors; I dream of heavy,
> dark, elegant built-in bookcases.
Me too. She's so golden oak, and I'm so black walnut.
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Phisherman wrote:
> It's beyond me why so many people got to have SUVs
> and cell phones. Fads?
I live in the Washington D.C. area, and as a rule, winters are much milder
than those of my South Dakota upbringing.
After a snowstorm I walked down to the supermarket about a block from our
house. The parking lot was about 1/4 filled with vehicles -- every last
stinking one of them a SUV. I had a good laugh when I saw it. I could
almost hear the conversations before each vehicle's hazardous trek: "Margo,
we paid $$$ for our four-wheel drive. By gum, I'm going to DRIVE to the
market and get that jar of salad dressing!"
Novii!
-- Mark
"Mark Jerde" writes:
>Phisherman wrote:
>
>> It's beyond me why so many people got to have SUVs
>> and cell phones. Fads?
>
>I live in the Washington D.C. area, and as a rule, winters are much milder
>than those of my South Dakota upbringing.
>
>After a snowstorm I walked down to the supermarket about a block from our
>house. The parking lot was about 1/4 filled with vehicles -- every last
>stinking one of them a SUV. I had a good laugh when I saw it. I could
>almost hear the conversations before each vehicle's hazardous trek: "Margo,
>we paid $$$ for our four-wheel drive. By gum, I'm going to DRIVE to the
>market and get that jar of salad dressing!"
Same experience. Westover Shopping Center by any chance?
Marc, whose SUV is a 1990 Isuzu Trooper.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:36:20 GMT, "David P" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I would imagine that woods go in and out of style just like any other
>product or furniture style. But I was wondering what drives the change is
>style? Is it availability or does the general public get herded into
>believing that "this is the year of cherry" and "don't do walnut, that was
>soooo last year". Who drives that impression into people anyway...home
>builders??? My local sawmill told me that the demand for woods shifts all
>the time from one type to another and they usually end up discounting woods
>that would have sold for a premium the year before -- but why??
>
It's been that way for many years. Like a race between oak, cherry,
and maple. I find better wood buys in oak and maple because cherry is
"in" right now. I really don't know why, but all three are good woods
to make furniture. It's beyond me why so many people got to have SUVs
and cell phones. Fads?
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:20:38 GMT, william kossack
<[email protected]> wrote:
>What we need is a woodworking reality show!
>Would it be like trading spaces?
> People doing things to their wood that would make most of us throw up.
>Would it be like the bachelor?
> Someone trying to con a group of woodworkers that its a truckload of
>cherry instead of pine.
>Or would it be like the Most Extreme Elimination show on SpikeTV? Have
>you seen this one?
> Woodworkers trying to complete projects with faulty dull tools while
>dressed funny and voice overs have us believe they are saying things
>that they are not.
>
Made me throw up when I went to Ethan Allen furniture showroom.
Sheesh! All types of wood in a "cherry finish." I'd rather see
painted furniture. A lot of folks see my cherry nightstand which I
used a Danish oil finish, yet very few people can recognize the kind
of wood.
"David P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:SuXsb.197058$Fm2.181809@attbi_s04...
> Yes, but I find it strange that wood can be so fashionable. For example,
I
> like walnut better than maple, next year I will still like walnut better,
10
> years from now I will still like walnut better than maple. So what drives
> the wood fashions in the marketplace? Why is cherry hot this year and
last
> year it was some other wood? I'm guessing it's just what wood is readily
> available in large supply for the year and the marketing people push it to
> the consumers as this years "in" wood.
>
As a building contractor, I do quite a bit of residential. I usually do my
own trim. People aren't necessarily so finiky as to the wood type but more
on the color. Infact if "cherry" is in, the client is usually looking for
that "showroom" cherry color. Here in Oregon, cherry is fairly spendy. If
the customer is more concerned about the color than the wood, we will
typically stain hemlock to that "showroom cherry" color. But me? I'm like
you. I like walnut now. And I'll still like walnut in 10 years. But it
does look real nice with maple accents ;-)
SH