for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
wood selections
think something like a book cover
oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
just screws and glue will work loose eventually
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>
>for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>wood selections
If I read your rambling correctly, you're asking
for a thin wood to use as a book cover.
>
>think something like a book cover
>
>oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
Not when it's 3/16" thick.
Use anything you like, you'll find little difference in weight
at that size.
A much more interesting question is how it should be finished
and bound.
On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 11:32:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Electric Comet wrote:
> >
> > for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
> > wood selections
> >
> > think something like a book cover
> >
> > oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
> >
> > a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>
>
> Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
> interesting substitute to consider.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
> > just screws and glue will work loose eventually
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
I would consider gluing rather than screwing or bolting the hinges
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:27:50 AM UTC-8, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:32:12 -0500
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
> > interesting substitute to consider.
>
>
> working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the
> strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply
>
> just have to find the right adhesive
Contact cement works well. The use of leather can be your hinge
solution, of course: some of my tools are in an oak/leather/velcro
holder, that has aged well over the decades. Contact cement back
then was kinda... acetone-based, though. Not sure about waterbased.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Fri, 2 Mar 2018
10:13:29 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>wood selections
>
>think something like a book cover
>
>oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>
>a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
What size book? How important is the "look"?
I glued a bit of 3 mm plywood to the front of a spiral notebook to
keep the cover from curling.
>has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
>just screws and glue will work loose eventually
again, what size?
If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
and feel.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
> wood selections
>
> think something like a book cover
>
> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>
> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>
>
> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too.
On 3/3/2018 7:08 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>> wood selections
>>
>> think something like a book cover
>>
>> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>>
>> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>>
>>
>> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
>> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
>
>
> If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
>
> Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too.
>
Perhaps pop-rivets to attach the hinges to the thin ply.
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> >> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
> >> wood selections
> >>
> >> think something like a book cover
> >>
> >> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
> >>
> >> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
> >>
> >>
> >> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
> >> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
> >
> >
> >If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
>
> I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC)
> fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well.
Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover?
> >Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
>> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
>> and feel.
>
>probably 12 by 9 inches
>
>doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
>for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
>
>thinking hinges might be the best solution
I'd split the cover into two pieces along the long
edge, narrow (.5 - .75) at the binding, and use a piano hinge.
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Fri, 9 Mar 2018
>08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>>
>>book bindings wear quickly with high use
>>
>>many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as
>>a surprise
>>
>>asked if they sell them and they said no
>>
>>even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb
>
> Really, really dumb.
And, like much from EC, the statement that libraries don't sell
or give away books is incorrect.
Libraries all over the country sell old books to raise
funds for new books. Many also give away books that
they no longer wish to keep in their collection. Others
have book exchange tables.
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Mar 2018
> >11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >>On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
> >>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
> >>> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
> >>> and feel.
> >>
> >>probably 12 by 9 inches
> >>
> >>doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
> >>for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
> >>
> >>thinking hinges might be the best solution
> >
> > They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years.
> >Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the
> >book to the cover.
> > There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah,
> >it can be done. Without hinges.
>
> Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding
>
> https://goo.gl/VhyxPY
You'd think there would be a book or two on the subject. ;-)
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> >> >> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
> >> >> wood selections
> >> >>
> >> >> think something like a book cover
> >> >>
> >> >> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
> >> >>
> >> >> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
> >> >> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
> >>
> >> I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC)
> >> fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well.
> >
> >Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover?
>
> Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-)
>
I think you made that up, therefore it's Pulp Fiction.
On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 11:50:16 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Fri, 9 Mar 2018
> >08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >>
> >>
> >>book bindings wear quickly with high use
> >>
> >>many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as
> >>a surprise
> >>
> >>asked if they sell them and they said no
> >>
> >>even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb
> >
> > Really, really dumb.
>=20
> And, like much from EC, the statement that libraries don't sell
> or give away books is incorrect.
>=20
> Libraries all over the country sell old books to raise
> funds for new books. Many also give away books that
> they no longer wish to keep in their collection. Others
> have book exchange tables.
+1
My library has an room dedicated to books for sale as well as an Amazon=20
store for rare books that they don't want to leave out in the open.
From their website:
The xxxxxxx Public Library Book Sale Room is open for business. We have=20
hundreds of new and used books starting at $0.50! Come in and have a look=
=20
around. The Book Sale Room is located around the corner from the front=20
entrance, just before the elevator. Here=E2=80=99s what you can expect to f=
ind:
Books in =E2=80=9CLike-New=E2=80=9D condition start at $2
Most other Hardcovers/Trade Paperbacks will be $1 while smaller Paperbacks =
are=20
just $0.25
Library Discards are only $1 including Children=E2=80=99s Books, Teen Ficti=
on, and=20
Classic Authors
Music CDs, DVDs, and Books on CD start at $1
Vintage and Collectible Titles will be priced individually
Current issues of popular Magazines are $1, and all other Magazines are jus=
t=20
$0.25
Please Note: All Book Sale Room items can be paid for at the Circulation De=
sk=20
and Sales Tax will be added to all purchases.=20
Also, don=E2=80=99t forget to visit our Amazon Store for online sales of ra=
re and=20
antiquarian books.
On 3/2/2018 10:32 PM, Bill wrote:
> Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>> wood selections
>>
>> think something like a book cover
>>
>> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>>
>> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>
>
> Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
> interesting substitute to consider.
Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store.
Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good.
It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier.
Formica won't work?
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:15:22 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Mar 2018
>> >11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >>On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
>> >>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
>> >>> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
>> >>> and feel.
>> >>
>> >>probably 12 by 9 inches
>> >>
>> >>doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
>> >>for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
>> >>
>> >>thinking hinges might be the best solution
>> >
>> > They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years.
>> >Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the
>> >book to the cover.
>> > There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah,
>> >it can be done. Without hinges.
>>
>> Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding
>>
>> https://goo.gl/VhyxPY
>
>You'd think there would be a book or two on the subject. ;-)
Medieval Tech support, for when "the book " was the new
technology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X25AValEf9I
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 07:20:06 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>> >> >> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>> >> >> wood selections
>> >> >>
>> >> >> think something like a book cover
>> >> >>
>> >> >> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
>> >> >> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
>> >>
>> >> I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC)
>> >> fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well.
>> >
>> >Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover?
>>
>> Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-)
>>
>
>I think you made that up, therefore it's Pulp Fiction.
Well, supplier datasheets usually are. ;-)
In rec.woodworking, Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
>> interesting substitute to consider.
> working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the
> strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply
>
> just have to find the right adhesive
PVA will probably work fine. Hide glue is traditional. You might also
consider using a leatherworking awl to sew the leather to the thin
plywood.
Sewing or gluing, there are bookbinding tutorials / guides that will
help.
Tyvek works great for book-cover style hinges, but it is a much more
industrial look than I think you want.
Elijah
------
has bound miniature books using currency, also quite durable
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Mar 2018
11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
>> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
>> and feel.
>
>probably 12 by 9 inches
>
>doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
>for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
>
>thinking hinges might be the best solution
They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years.
Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the
book to the cover.
There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah,
it can be done. Without hinges.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Fri, 9 Mar 2018
08:49:31 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>
>book bindings wear quickly with high use
>
>many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as
>a surprise
>
>asked if they sell them and they said no
>
>even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb
Really, really dumb.
"Crimes against humanity" dumb,
>
>
>
>
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
Electric Comet wrote:
>
> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
> wood selections
>
> think something like a book cover
>
> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>
> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
interesting substitute to consider.
>
>
> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Wed, 7 Mar 2018
>11:33:58 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
>>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
>>> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
>>> and feel.
>>
>>probably 12 by 9 inches
>>
>>doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
>>for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
>>
>>thinking hinges might be the best solution
>
> They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years.
>Depends on the quality of the material used to hold the binding of the
>book to the cover.
> There's a lot of "technical" details I do not have at hand, yeah,
>it can be done. Without hinges.
Lets see did A Dags for videos on Book binding
https://goo.gl/VhyxPY
On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 23:32:12 -0500
Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
> interesting substitute to consider.
working with drywall and realized that the paper gives much of the
strength so i may apply thin leather over thin ply
just have to find the right adhesive
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:01:15 -0600
gray_wolf <g_wolf@howling_mad.com> wrote:
> Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store.
> Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good.
> It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier.
> Formica won't work?
never worked with formica as far as i know
plus i have none
but iirc formica is brittle and meant to have a stiff backing
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:46:48 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you are binding a book, using wooden covers, that can be done
> without hinges. Unless you're going for that Book of Armaments look
> and feel.
probably 12 by 9 inches
doing a book binding type hinge might be interesting the material
for the hinge or binding would have to be super durable though
thinking hinges might be the best solution
On Wednesday, 7 Mar 2018 19:56:29 *@eli.users.panix.com wrote:
> PVA will probably work fine. Hide glue is traditional. You might also
think i have som hide glue so that will do it
> consider using a leatherworking awl to sew the leather to the thin
> plywood.
that is getting fancy but would look great
> Sewing or gluing, there are bookbinding tutorials / guides that will
> help.
well i think it has to be glued and the sewing would be cake icing
> Tyvek works great for book-cover style hinges, but it is a much more
> industrial look than I think you want.
will it hold paint i thought it would not
> has bound miniature books using currency, also quite durable
is is durable and maybe has higher value as a binding
On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:40:40 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> They've been putting "heavy" covers on books for a thousand years.
longer than that i would guess
> it can be done. Without hinges.
hinges are meant for higher use and will last longer
book bindings wear quickly with high use
many libraries toss the books when the binding is worn which came as
a surprise
asked if they sell them and they said no
even for books that are out of print and that is really dumb
On 3/4/2018 11:01 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
> On 3/2/2018 10:32 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Electric Comet wrote:
>>>
>>> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>>> wood selections
>>>
>>> think something like a book cover
>>>
>>> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>>>
>>> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>>
>>
>> Ply might be more stable too, at small thickness. Leather might be an
>> interesting substitute to consider.
>
> Years ago I bought a bag of assorted small plywood pieces at a hobby store.
> Some of it was very thin maybe 3/32" or so. The quality was very good.
> It reminded me of some aircraft grade plywood I'd seen years earlier.
> Formica won't work?
>
As model aircraft plywood goes, 3/32" is pretty thick stuff. You can
readily buy 3-ply birch ply down to 0.4mm (1/64") if you feel the need
although I've never seen a model design that required anything so thin.
https://www.easybuiltmodels.com/ply.htm
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>> wood selections
>>
>> think something like a book cover
>>
>> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>>
>> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>>
>>
>> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
>> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
>
>
>If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC)
fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well.
>Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too.
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:25:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 04:08:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:13:34 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>> >> for making a frequent use item using thin wood what are some typical
>> >> wood selections
>> >>
>> >> think something like a book cover
>> >>
>> >> oak comes to mind first but oak is dense and heavy
>> >>
>> >> a ply might work but wood would look best for this use
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> has to hold a hinge and most likely will be a nut and bolt because
>> >> just screws and glue will work loose eventually
>> >
>> >
>> >If I "think something like a book cover" I don't think anything like nuts and bolts.
>>
>> I've used nuts and bolts to bind notebooks. #10 machine screws (IIRC)
>> fits 3-ring binder holes pretty well.
>
>Did your notebook have a thin wooden cover?
Processed wood, sometimes called a "title page", sure. ;-)
>> >Maybe if you were more specific, we could be too.