http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2001/22.html
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djm268v1
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2001/22.html
> http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djm268v1
Do they really need more? .......Sadly for a true conspiracy theorist
synthetic THC is readily available as a prescription drug and in Canada
cannabis-based prescriptions are legal......with such suppression it is hard
to whip up a healthy froth of indignation. Rod
J. Clarke wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
... snip
>> ritalin
>
> Oh. Having been treated with Ritalin, I don't see any reason why
> liquor or the like would be "better for formative minds".
> Unfortunately it stopped working for me.
>
> The stuff doesn't do any of the stuff that you hear about in all the
> ritalin-bashing sites.
>
Are you sure you are the person who should be making that
pronouncement? ;-)
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Robatoy said:
>On Jan 7, 7:57 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>[snip].
>>
>> Want a conspiracy theory? It's yet another pork barrel. The private
>> prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,
>> and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
>[snip]
>
>Yessss, it would be a bitch trying to outsource jails to other
>countries, because there are no other countries on the planet which
>allow prisoners the same sets of rights as the US. Because in other
>countries prisoners can be interrogated more harshly
>than....wait...What?
A friends son was recently arrested for possession. He's still in jail
because of probation violation for... ta da.. pot. His life as a
child was a nightmare, his dad was an alcoholic who held police at bay
at a hospital because they wouldn't treat him for falling off a
scaffold - while drunk. He is now in his 20s, barely managed to get
out of school, and faces grim prospects for the future. Facing these
problems was bad enough, but now he has the mindless bureaucracy up
his arse. He probably won't make it to old age.
I'm not even going to rise to the bait of that last statement... ;-)
>On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>I really never understood why potsmokers have been persecuted like
>they have been. I say, Lets sew a green triangle on their shirts!!
>Lock the perps into their houses with a bag of cheesies. House arrest!
>I honest-to-fuck thought we'd outgrown that bullshit 30 years ago.
I have known three people who have done such a thing locally - a
lawyer, a stock broker, and a garage owner. The latter videotaped it.
Alcohol was involved in two of the cases. They were all tightly wound
white guys with plenty of money. The stoners are waaay too mellow for
that sort of thing. Meth, crack, cocaine, yes. Pot? Never.
I do have to point out, however, that locking the perps in their
houses with Cheetos wouldn't be much of a deterrent, especially if you
throw a video game console into the mix...
Greg G.
Jeff said:
>On Jan 7, 8:21 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>
>Of course not. He's sitting on the couch watching Little House on the
>Prairie reruns because the remote is so on the other side of the
>room....
OK, so much for generalizations. (I know you're being facetious...?)
First of all, what's so wrong with Little House on the Prairie. A bit
maudlin and contains religious and moral overtones, but a better
message than much of modern TV. I've watched it a time or two.
Second, I have known teachers, nurses, firemen, a cop, a lawyer, and
several Q-tips who professed to smoking the evil weed and none have
succumbed to reefer madness as of yet. As with anything, it's all in
the approach. But as with liquor, certainly don't want to see access
for children or formative minds. By the same token, it's probably
better than Ridlin and such... And just think of the economic boon to
munchie manufacturers...
Greg G.
On Jan 7, 10:21=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Greg G. wrote:
> > Robatoy said:
>
> >> On Jan 7, 7:57 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [snip].
> >>> Want a conspiracy theory? =A0It's yet another pork barrel. The private=
> >>> prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,=
> >>> and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
> >> [snip]
>
> >> Yessss, it would be a bitch trying to outsource jails to other
> >> countries, because there are no other countries on the planet which
> >> allow prisoners the same sets of rights as the US. Because in other
> >> countries prisoners can be interrogated more harshly
> >> than....wait...What?
>
> > A friends son was recently arrested for possession. He's still in jail
> > because of probation violation for... ta da.. pot. =A0His life as a
> > child was a nightmare, his dad was an alcoholic who held police at bay
> > at a hospital because they wouldn't treat him for falling off a
> > scaffold - while drunk. =A0He is now in his 20s, barely managed to get
> > out of school, and faces grim prospects for the future. =A0Facing these
> > problems was bad enough, but now he has the mindless bureaucracy up
> > his arse. He probably won't make it to old age.
>
> > I'm not even going to rise to the bait of that last statement... =A0;-)
>
> >> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
> >> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
> >> I really never understood why potsmokers have been persecuted like
> >> they have been. I say, Lets sew a green triangle on their shirts!!
> >> Lock the perps into their houses with a bag of cheesies. House arrest!
> >> I honest-to-fuck thought we'd outgrown that bullshit 30 years ago.
>
> > I have known three people who have done such a thing locally - a
> > lawyer, a stock broker, and a garage owner. =A0The latter videotaped it.=
> > Alcohol was involved in two of the cases. They were all tightly wound
> > white guys with plenty of money. The stoners are waaay too mellow for
> > that sort of thing. =A0Meth, crack, cocaine, yes. =A0Pot? =A0Never.
>
> > I do have to point out, however, that locking the perps in their
> > houses with Cheetos wouldn't be much of a deterrent, especially if you
> > throw a video game console into the mix...
>
> > Greg G.
>
> Make 'em watch "Rosie" reruns, I say. =A0That'll sober you up in
> a second.
>
So you support torture, huh? :-)
J. Clarke wrote:
> Greg G. wrote:
>> Jeff said:
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 8:21 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>>>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>>> Of course not. He's sitting on the couch watching Little House on
>>> the
>>> Prairie reruns because the remote is so on the other side of the
>>> room....
>> OK, so much for generalizations. (I know you're being facetious...?)
>> First of all, what's so wrong with Little House on the Prairie. A
>> bit
>> maudlin and contains religious and moral overtones, but a better
>> message than much of modern TV. I've watched it a time or two.
>> Second, I have known teachers, nurses, firemen, a cop, a lawyer, and
>> several Q-tips who professed to smoking the evil weed and none have
>> succumbed to reefer madness as of yet. As with anything, it's all in
>> the approach. But as with liquor, certainly don't want to see access
>> for children or formative minds. By the same token, it's probably
>> better than Ridlin and such... And just think of the economic boon
>> to
>> munchie manufacturers...
>
> What's "Ridlin"?
>
ritalin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritalin
On Jan 7, 8:21 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
Of course not. He's sitting on the couch watching Little House on the
Prairie reruns because the remote is so on the other side of the
room....
On Jan 7, 7:57=A0pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
[snip].
>
> Want a conspiracy theory? =A0It's yet another pork barrel. The private
> prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,
> and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
[snip]
Yessss, it would be a bitch trying to outsource jails to other
countries, because there are no other countries on the planet which
allow prisoners the same sets of rights as the US. Because in other
countries prisoners can be interrogated more harshly
than....wait...What?
On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
I really never understood why potsmokers have been persecuted like
they have been. I say, Lets sew a green triangle on their shirts!!
Lock the perps into their houses with a bag of cheesies. House arrest!
I honest-to-fuck thought we'd outgrown that bullshit 30 years ago.
Greg G. wrote:
> Jeff said:
>
>> On Jan 7, 8:21 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>>
>> Of course not. He's sitting on the couch watching Little House on
>> the
>> Prairie reruns because the remote is so on the other side of the
>> room....
>
> OK, so much for generalizations. (I know you're being facetious...?)
> First of all, what's so wrong with Little House on the Prairie. A
> bit
> maudlin and contains religious and moral overtones, but a better
> message than much of modern TV. I've watched it a time or two.
> Second, I have known teachers, nurses, firemen, a cop, a lawyer, and
> several Q-tips who professed to smoking the evil weed and none have
> succumbed to reefer madness as of yet. As with anything, it's all in
> the approach. But as with liquor, certainly don't want to see access
> for children or formative minds. By the same token, it's probably
> better than Ridlin and such... And just think of the economic boon
> to
> munchie manufacturers...
What's "Ridlin"?
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Doug Winterburn wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> Greg G. wrote:
>>> Jeff said:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 8:21 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>>>>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>>>> Of course not. He's sitting on the couch watching Little House on
>>>> the
>>>> Prairie reruns because the remote is so on the other side of the
>>>> room....
>>> OK, so much for generalizations. (I know you're being
>>> facetious...?)
>>> First of all, what's so wrong with Little House on the Prairie. A
>>> bit
>>> maudlin and contains religious and moral overtones, but a better
>>> message than much of modern TV. I've watched it a time or two.
>>> Second, I have known teachers, nurses, firemen, a cop, a lawyer,
>>> and
>>> several Q-tips who professed to smoking the evil weed and none
>>> have
>>> succumbed to reefer madness as of yet. As with anything, it's all
>>> in
>>> the approach. But as with liquor, certainly don't want to see
>>> access
>>> for children or formative minds. By the same token, it's probably
>>> better than Ridlin and such... And just think of the economic boon
>>> to
>>> munchie manufacturers...
>>
>> What's "Ridlin"?
>>
> ritalin
Oh. Having been treated with Ritalin, I don't see any reason why
liquor or the like would be "better for formative minds".
Unfortunately it stopped working for me.
The stuff doesn't do any of the stuff that you hear about in all the
ritalin-bashing sites.
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Rod & Betty Jo said:
>Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>> http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2001/22.html
>> http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djm268v1
>
>
>Do they really need more? .......Sadly for a true conspiracy theorist
>synthetic THC is readily available as a prescription drug and in Canada
>cannabis-based prescriptions are legal......with such suppression it is hard
>to whip up a healthy froth of indignation. Rod
Actually, somewhat old news - particularly for the stinky, long haired
hippy types. ;-) But seriously, The American Thoracic Society
released a similar finding in May 2006 vis-a-vis lung cancer.
http://www.newswise.com/p/articles/view/520524/
The question now becomes, why are we spending increasing amounts of
time and US tax dollars harassing the population for possession of
small quantities. Jails are overflowing in many areas due to
persecution of penny ante users. You can buy alcohol on any corner
(or the DOT freeway rest stops in New Hampshire), which has a far
larger negative impact on society as a whole than marihuana, yet
millions of dollars and many lives are negatively impacted by a
specious war on drugs that has done nothing to curtail usage.
Want a conspiracy theory? It's yet another pork barrel. The private
prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,
and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
And of course, it's an election talking point that whips up a frenzy
amongst the unenlightened masses.
The Bush administration is, in fact, actively pressuring California
and others to do away with the medical marihuana program, even in the
face of many states recent decriminalization of small quantities; New
Mexico, I believe, being the most recent. Close ties with Eli Lilly
and other pharma lobbyists may be yet another factor - why buy
overpriced pills when you can grow you own - or can you? Considering
the number of patents applied for by biomed research firms attempting
to register portions of naturally occurring living things, it should
prove quite profitable to hold a patent on a drug that actually works.
FWIW,
Greg G.
Greg G. wrote:
> Robatoy said:
>
>> On Jan 7, 7:57 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>> [snip].
>>> Want a conspiracy theory? It's yet another pork barrel. The private
>>> prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,
>>> and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
>> [snip]
>>
>> Yessss, it would be a bitch trying to outsource jails to other
>> countries, because there are no other countries on the planet which
>> allow prisoners the same sets of rights as the US. Because in other
>> countries prisoners can be interrogated more harshly
>> than....wait...What?
>
> A friends son was recently arrested for possession. He's still in jail
> because of probation violation for... ta da.. pot. His life as a
> child was a nightmare, his dad was an alcoholic who held police at bay
> at a hospital because they wouldn't treat him for falling off a
> scaffold - while drunk. He is now in his 20s, barely managed to get
> out of school, and faces grim prospects for the future. Facing these
> problems was bad enough, but now he has the mindless bureaucracy up
> his arse. He probably won't make it to old age.
>
> I'm not even going to rise to the bait of that last statement... ;-)
>
>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>> I really never understood why potsmokers have been persecuted like
>> they have been. I say, Lets sew a green triangle on their shirts!!
>> Lock the perps into their houses with a bag of cheesies. House arrest!
>> I honest-to-fuck thought we'd outgrown that bullshit 30 years ago.
>
> I have known three people who have done such a thing locally - a
> lawyer, a stock broker, and a garage owner. The latter videotaped it.
> Alcohol was involved in two of the cases. They were all tightly wound
> white guys with plenty of money. The stoners are waaay too mellow for
> that sort of thing. Meth, crack, cocaine, yes. Pot? Never.
>
> I do have to point out, however, that locking the perps in their
> houses with Cheetos wouldn't be much of a deterrent, especially if you
> throw a video game console into the mix...
>
>
> Greg G.
Make 'em watch "Rosie" reruns, I say. That'll sober you up in
a second.
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Greg G. wrote:
<SNIP>
> The Bush administration is, in fact, actively pressuring California
> and others to do away with the medical marihuana program, even in the
> face of many states recent decriminalization of small quantities; New
> Mexico, I believe, being the most recent. Close ties with Eli Lilly
> and other pharma lobbyists may be yet another factor - why buy
> overpriced pills when you can grow you own - or can you? Considering
> the number of patents applied for by biomed research firms attempting
> to register portions of naturally occurring living things, it should
> prove quite profitable to hold a patent on a drug that actually works.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Greg G.
Let's keep in mind that EVERY administration has fought
the highly vaunted "War On Drugs" ... "For the children ..."
<Goes off to puke ...>
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 7, 10:21 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Greg G. wrote:
>>> Robatoy said:
>>>> On Jan 7, 7:57 pm, Greg G.<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> [snip].
>>>>> Want a conspiracy theory? It's yet another pork barrel. The private
>>>>> prison industry is one of the few boom businesses left in the country,
>>>>> and legions of pettifoggers profit defending this victimless "crime".
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Yessss, it would be a bitch trying to outsource jails to other
>>>> countries, because there are no other countries on the planet which
>>>> allow prisoners the same sets of rights as the US. Because in other
>>>> countries prisoners can be interrogated more harshly
>>>> than....wait...What?
>>> A friends son was recently arrested for possession. He's still in jail
>>> because of probation violation for... ta da.. pot. His life as a
>>> child was a nightmare, his dad was an alcoholic who held police at bay
>>> at a hospital because they wouldn't treat him for falling off a
>>> scaffold - while drunk. He is now in his 20s, barely managed to get
>>> out of school, and faces grim prospects for the future. Facing these
>>> problems was bad enough, but now he has the mindless bureaucracy up
>>> his arse. He probably won't make it to old age.
>>> I'm not even going to rise to the bait of that last statement... ;-)
>>>> On the weed thing being dangerous...I have never heard of a guy
>>>> blowing away his wife and kids because he had smoked a doobie.
>>>> I really never understood why potsmokers have been persecuted like
>>>> they have been. I say, Lets sew a green triangle on their shirts!!
>>>> Lock the perps into their houses with a bag of cheesies. House arrest!
>>>> I honest-to-fuck thought we'd outgrown that bullshit 30 years ago.
>>> I have known three people who have done such a thing locally - a
>>> lawyer, a stock broker, and a garage owner. The latter videotaped it.
>>> Alcohol was involved in two of the cases. They were all tightly wound
>>> white guys with plenty of money. The stoners are waaay too mellow for
>>> that sort of thing. Meth, crack, cocaine, yes. Pot? Never.
>>> I do have to point out, however, that locking the perps in their
>>> houses with Cheetos wouldn't be much of a deterrent, especially if you
>>> throw a video game console into the mix...
>>> Greg G.
>> Make 'em watch "Rosie" reruns, I say. That'll sober you up in
>> a second.
>>
> So you support torture, huh? :-)
>
No ... I want the Powers That Be to understand what drives people
to drug abuse ...
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