I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all
these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the
same or better for less, with less overhead...
So it's not only H1b and IT...
You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
of the people?
--
Jeff
On 5/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>
> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
> true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all
> these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the
> same or better for less, with less overhead...
>
> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>
> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
> the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
> of the people?
>
>
Well something to remember, you are listening to talk radio.
Regardless of what your political persuasion is any mentioned by the
media is mostly for your entertainment and not necessarily the truth or
some thing that will affect you. If they were not rattling your cage
they would not be on the air.
Most advice given by the media is worth what you pay for it and why many
of these talk shows start with a disclaimer of not supporting any thing
being said. The host of the show will tell you anything to get you to
tune in.
On Thu, 29 May 2014 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, krw wrote:
>
>>>Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If voting
>>>made a difference it would be outlawed."
>>
>> Cynicism never helped anyone, either.
>
>It's not cynicism - it's knowledge gained over time :-).
>
>Try comparing all of our last few presidents campaign promises to what
>they actually did when in office. Or senators, or ...
When you state it as absolutes, it's cynicism. Absolutes are always
wrong. ;-)
On 5/28/2014 1:16 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 5/28/2014 12:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
>> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
>> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>>
>> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
>> true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
>> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
>> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all
>> these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
>> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
>> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the
>> same or better for less, with less overhead...
>>
>> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>
>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
>> the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
>> of the people?
>>
>>
> It seems to me that lately obama has been doing as he pleases regardless
> of whether it is approved or voted down in Congress. Consider what he
> currently doing with Cap and Trade even though Congress has repeatedly
> voted this down.
>
> Look at the laws obama has change with regard to obamacare, when he
> found it did not work. obamacare has placed new restriction on
> employers that make it difficult for them and their employees.
>
> So find out the facts before you blame Congress.
Tax laws are passed by congress. Obama can not single handedly change
tax laws. As far as I know.
Let's face it.. all the idiots in Washington are working for themselves,
not us.
--
Jeff
In news:[email protected],
woodchucker <[email protected]> belched:
> On 5/28/2014 1:16 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> On 5/28/2014 12:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station
>>> in NJ. They were talking about how kids today don't want to work,
>>> and how the last few years all the help at the boardwalks were
>>> Russian or slavic.. The consensus was that American kids don't want to
>>> work.. which
>>> might be true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his
>>> kid tried getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that
>>> congress has made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners
>>> by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
>>> taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a
>>> few owners on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire
>>> an American kid. They can get the same or better for less, with
>>> less overhead... So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>>
>>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American
>>> people, or the American business owner? Does the business owner
>>> have the interests of the people?
>>>
>>>
>> It seems to me that lately obama has been doing as he pleases
>> regardless of whether it is approved or voted down in Congress. Consider
>> what he currently doing with Cap and Trade even though
>> Congress has repeatedly voted this down.
>>
>> Look at the laws obama has change with regard to obamacare, when he
>> found it did not work. obamacare has placed new restriction on
>> employers that make it difficult for them and their employees.
>>
>> So find out the facts before you blame Congress.
>
> Tax laws are passed by congress. Obama can not single handedly change
> tax laws. As far as I know.
>
> Let's face it.. all the idiots in Washington are working for
> themselves, not us.
Well, USSC ruled that obamacare is a tax and bammy has changed the
requirements several times without approval from congress.
So apparently he is immune from the Constitution
But I would agree that *most* in DC aren't working for US
On 5/28/2014 7:41 PM, jloomis wrote:
> He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
> foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
> taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few
> owners on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an
> American kid.
>
> Where is this information at?
>
> I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep
> the pay scale low?
> I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
> Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40
> hrs per week so they can do away with
> medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
> people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
> Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
> I would look at the horses mouth first.....
>
> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
> kind of work.
> john
>
> "Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
>> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
>> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>>
>> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might
>> be true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
>> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
>> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them
>> all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
>> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
>> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get
>> the same or better for less, with less overhead...
>>
>> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>
>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people,
>> or the American business owner? Does the business owner have the
>> interests of the people?
>>
>>
>
>
> Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
> make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
> insight applies today more than ever:
>
> Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
> and for the same reason.
>
John, my first information came from a recruiter who told me I cost him
16% per pay while an H1b costs him 4%.
This guy that called in was merely telling what he had found out about
his sons attempt, and his talking to business owners on the boardwalk.
I am not sure how to research it.
--
Jeff
On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>
> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the same or better for less, with less overhead...
>
> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>
> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests of the people?
>
>
Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
insight applies today more than ever:
Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
and for the same reason.
--
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On 5/28/2014 7:47 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 5/28/2014 7:41 PM, jloomis wrote:
>> He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
>> foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
>> taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few
>> owners on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an
>> American kid.
>>
>> Where is this information at?
>>
>> I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep
>> the pay scale low?
>> I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
>> Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40
>> hrs per week so they can do away with
>> medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
>> people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
>> Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
>> I would look at the horses mouth first.....
>>
>> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
>> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
>> kind of work.
>> john
>>
>> "Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
>>> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
>>> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>>>
>>> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might
>>> be true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
>>> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
>>> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them
>>> all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
>>> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
>>> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get
>>> the same or better for less, with less overhead...
>>>
>>> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>>
>>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people,
>>> or the American business owner? Does the business owner have the
>>> interests of the people?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
>> make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
>> insight applies today more than ever:
>>
>> Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
>> and for the same reason.
>>
>
> John, my first information came from a recruiter who told me I cost him
> 16% per pay while an H1b costs him 4%.
>
> This guy that called in was merely telling what he had found out about
> his sons attempt, and his talking to business owners on the boardwalk.
>
> I am not sure how to research it.
>
http://hirespiders.richmond.edu/common/pdfs/recruiting-policies/hiring-foreign-graduates.pdf
On 5/28/2014 12:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>
> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
> true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all
> these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the
> same or better for less, with less overhead...
>
> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>
> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
> the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
> of the people?
>
>
It seems to me that lately obama has been doing as he pleases regardless
of whether it is approved or voted down in Congress. Consider what he
currently doing with Cap and Trade even though Congress has repeatedly
voted this down.
Look at the laws obama has change with regard to obamacare, when he
found it did not work. obamacare has placed new restriction on
employers that make it difficult for them and their employees.
So find out the facts before you blame Congress.
He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners
on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid.
Where is this information at?
I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep the
pay scale low?
I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40 hrs
per week so they can do away with
medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
I would look at the horses mouth first.....
Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
kind of work.
john
"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>
> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
> true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried getting
> a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has made it
> really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all these
> breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no incentive to
> hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk and all said it
> made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the same or better for
> less, with less overhead...
>
> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>
> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
> the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
> of the people?
>
>
Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
insight applies today more than ever:
Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
and for the same reason.
--
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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:45:26 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
> Well, USSC ruled that obamacare is a tax and bammy has changed the
> requirements several times without approval from congress.
> So apparently he is immune from the Constitution But I would agree that
> *most* in DC aren't working for US
There are some who will never approve of *anything* Obama does. And I
get a stench in my nostrils every time I see Cheney on TV. The older I
get the more I realize they're *all* a bunch of pigs feeding at a trough
and our only function is to fill the trough.
Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If voting
made a difference it would be outlawed."
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in
> that kind of work.
> john
>
Actually, the average employee wage at Costco is $21 per hour, not
including overtime.
http://tinyurl.com/krd4juj
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> The older
> I get the more I realize they're *all* a bunch of pigs feeding at a
> trough and our only function is to fill the trough.
>
> Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If
> voting made a difference it would be outlawed."
Preach it brother!
Grab your bass Karl - we're going to fire up the band right after he's
done...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Baxter wrote:
> "jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
>> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in
>> that kind of work.
>> john
>>
> Actually, the average employee wage at Costco is $21 per hour, not
> including overtime.
>
Yeah - I think I remember recently reading that Costco defies the retail
norm in the way that they compensate employees. Good for them.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, krw wrote:
>>Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If voting
>>made a difference it would be outlawed."
>
> Cynicism never helped anyone, either.
It's not cynicism - it's knowledge gained over time :-).
Try comparing all of our last few presidents campaign promises to what
they actually did when in office. Or senators, or ...
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
> I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep the
> pay scale low?
> I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
> Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40 hrs
> per week so they can do away with
> medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
> people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
> Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
Actually, they did/do. For one thing, people under 30 hours are exempt from
obamacare via employer.
_______________________
> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
> kind of work.
That depends. OP was talling about a "kid". To me, that means someone just
out of or still in high school. Someone who has little to no experience,
little or no job skills. I don't know about you but back when I was in HS
1948-1951 the job market for such was very limited.
And there were no McDonalds, BurgerKings, etc. No plethora of businesses
needing employees that were just warm bodies.
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____________________________
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Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
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On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:41:41 -0700, "jloomis" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
>foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
>taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners
>on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid.
>
>Where is this information at?
>
>I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep the
>pay scale low?
>I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
>Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40 hrs
>per week so they can do away with
>medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
>people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
>Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
No offence but, bullshit! I think you need to do what Queen Nancy
stated so eloquently about ObamaKare -- read it. Because of Obama's
signature law many workers are getting their hours reduced to 30 hours
or less because employers can no longer afford what the Affordable
Care Act made unaffordable. How ironic.
>I would look at the horses mouth first.....
I think you should look at the other end.
>
>Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
>McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
>kind of work.
>john
For this you can thank Obama again. His anti-business policies have
made plotting long term business strategies virtually impossible and
the norm for businesses is to hold out for the next two and a half
painful years. Hopefully, the outlook will improve.
>"Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in NJ.
>> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
>> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>>
>> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might be
>> true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried getting
>> a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has made it
>> really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them all these
>> breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no incentive to
>> hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk and all said it
>> made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get the same or better for
>> less, with less overhead...
>>
>> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>
>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people, or
>> the American business owner? Does the business owner have the interests
>> of the people?
>>
>>
>
>
>Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
>make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
>insight applies today more than ever:
>
> Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
> and for the same reason.
On 5/28/2014 7:56 PM, Neil Ward wrote:
> On 5/28/2014 7:47 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 5/28/2014 7:41 PM, jloomis wrote:
>>> He found out that congress has made it really easy for employers to hire
>>> foreigners by giving them all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other
>>> taxes. So there is no incentive to hire American, he talked to a few
>>> owners on the boardwalk and all said it made no sense to hire an
>>> American kid.
>>>
>>> Where is this information at?
>>>
>>> I wonder if the companies themselves hire immigrants so they can keep
>>> the pay scale low?
>>> I just talked to a fellow working at an Auto Parts Store...O'Reilly.....
>>> Anyway, he has been there 5 years, and they do not want to give him 40
>>> hrs per week so they can do away with
>>> medical, etc.....benefits.....So, they give him 30 hrs.....and hire more
>>> people at similar hours.....and with no benefits....
>>> Congress and or Obama had nothing to do with this.....
>>> I would look at the horses mouth first.....
>>>
>>> Also there are no real "high paying type jobs"
>>> McDonalds.......Costco......all the above.....not much incentive in that
>>> kind of work.
>>> john
>>>
>>> "Tim Daneliuk" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On 05/28/2014 11:51 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>> I was just listening to 101.5 NJ.. it's a right wing talk station in
>>>> NJ.
>>>> They were talking about how kids today don't want to work, and how the
>>>> last few years all the help at the boardwalks were Russian or slavic..
>>>>
>>>> The consensus was that American kids don't want to work.. which might
>>>> be true, but then some guy calls in and explains, that his kid tried
>>>> getting a job and couldn't last year. He found out that congress has
>>>> made it really easy for employers to hire foreigners by giving them
>>>> all these breaks on SS, unemployment and other taxes. So there is no
>>>> incentive to hire American, he talked to a few owners on the boardwalk
>>>> and all said it made no sense to hire an American kid. They can get
>>>> the same or better for less, with less overhead...
>>>>
>>>> So it's not only H1b and IT...
>>>>
>>>> You have to wonder who congress is working for? The American people,
>>>> or the American business owner? Does the business owner have the
>>>> interests of the people?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whatever your politics, the good news is that we have the ability to
>>> make the politicians unemployed. I'd suggest that Mark Twain's
>>> insight applies today more than ever:
>>>
>>> Politicians are like diapers they both need changing regularly
>>> and for the same reason.
>>>
>>
>> John, my first information came from a recruiter who told me I cost him
>> 16% per pay while an H1b costs him 4%.
>>
>> This guy that called in was merely telling what he had found out about
>> his sons attempt, and his talking to business owners on the boardwalk.
>>
>> I am not sure how to research it.
>>
> http://hirespiders.richmond.edu/common/pdfs/recruiting-policies/hiring-foreign-graduates.pdf
>
This doesn't answer the question of what taxes and fees an employer does
not have to pay. For me I compete against the H1b, for the shore
worker, that's not an H1b visa... that has to be another visa. These are
not technical jobs.
--
Jeff
On Thu, 29 May 2014 00:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 May 2014 16:45:26 -0500, ChairMan wrote:
>
>> Well, USSC ruled that obamacare is a tax and bammy has changed the
>> requirements several times without approval from congress.
>> So apparently he is immune from the Constitution But I would agree that
>> *most* in DC aren't working for US
>
>There are some who will never approve of *anything* Obama does. And I
>get a stench in my nostrils every time I see Cheney on TV. The older I
>get the more I realize they're *all* a bunch of pigs feeding at a trough
>and our only function is to fill the trough.
>
>Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If voting
>made a difference it would be outlawed."
Cynicism never helped anyone, either.
On 5/30/2014 7:09 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2014 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, krw wrote:
>>
>>>> Jefferson was right. So was Will Rogers (IIRC) when he said "If voting
>>>> made a difference it would be outlawed."
>>>
>>> Cynicism never helped anyone, either.
>>
>> It's not cynicism - it's knowledge gained over time :-).
>>
>> Try comparing all of our last few presidents campaign promises to what
>> they actually did when in office. Or senators, or ...
>
> When you state it as absolutes, it's cynicism. Absolutes are always
> wrong. ;-)
Absolutely!