Common Courtesy

In article <[email protected]>, Norman D. Crow
<[email protected]> wrote:

> You, Dave? Nah, don't believe it.(G,D,&R)

Nahmie, if'n you don't believe me, you could always DAGS...

;-D

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:17:25 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> blathered:

>Nice return Tom. I did a local search (using Outlook) which at the time
>showed only the two.
>
>Today, I did a Google search (since you brought this up and decided to toss
>some dirt) and it showed 22 off-topic and 8 on-topic posts for June.

<snip of blah, blah, blah.>


cf Rhett Butler's final line in GWTW.


This is my last response to you on this, bobbie. For someone who
bitches and moans about the usefulness of other's posts, you ain't
showing me much.


(watson - who's tired of watching bobbie trying to get his knife sharp
enough for a gunfight.)



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for a
"senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.

Capitalist Pig


"Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge
> > project
> > > out of fresh sawn oak again!
> >
> > Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
> > power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that
the
> > belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!
> >
>
> I find this highly offensive. I am a senior citizen myself and I like
> to think that I am still in full control of all my faculties. When
> people like you reinforce the stereotypes with posts like the one
> above, it sets the movement for equality for seniors back twenty
> years. Senior citizens can do advanced engineering, high math,
> theoretical physics, DNA programming - and hell, we can do it *better*
> than young folk. Just last week, I taught myself aramaic, and now I
> speak & read it as fluently as some young upstart who's been using it
> their whole life. Anyway, I'd go on but the nurse says it's time for
> my daily spongebath, so to wrap it all up, stop using your age as an
> excuse for your pathetic mental prowess.

Nahmie

>Our family doesn't call it Alzheimer's, we call it
> *Part-timer's*(part of the time you remember, part of - - etc.).

And I simply call it CRAFT (Can't Remember A F...ing Thing).


Gill

Yeah, put Aramaic in the same class as Occitan

http://members.aol.com/assyrianme/aramaic/history.html


Capitalist Pig



"John-Charles Verbeek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Capitalist,
>
> > Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for a
> > "senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.
>
> Aramaic is still spoken in small parts of Turkey, and between some Turks
emigrated to Western
> Europe.
>
> Regards,
>
> John-Charles.
>
>
>

Languages of the world

http://123world.com/languages/




"Capitalist Pig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yeah, put Aramaic in the same class as Occitan
>
> http://members.aol.com/assyrianme/aramaic/history.html
>
>
> Capitalist Pig
>
>
>
> "John-Charles Verbeek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Capitalist,
> >
> > > Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for
a
> > > "senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.
> >
> > Aramaic is still spoken in small parts of Turkey, and between some Turks
> emigrated to Western
> > Europe.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John-Charles.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
> If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
> they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
> "thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
> the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>
Bzzzt! Wrong! At least in the olden days. I remember many
times seeing the warning "don't clutter up the bandwidth with
thank you responses".

That's why you often saw "thinks in advance" or "TIA" from a
questioner.

It may be the that the ever-increasing speed of Internet
connections may have obsoleted this convention, but even so it
might explain some of the "missing" courtesies.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Ostrich tastes like steak.
>
> and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>
>

Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.

--
Conehead

Tom and others in SE PA,
I am getting more into woodworking and I am looking for sources for
materials beyond the big box store stuff.
I am between homes right now but am building a new house. One project will
be to 'panel' a room to make sort of a library/study. Sort of the idea in
Toms Cherry Library shown here http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/page2.htm

So, where can I purchase the quality of materials needed for such a project?
Cherry, Mahogany, Walnut, etc. I haven't settled on the wood or the design
yet. I am thinking veneer ply for large flats. Stiles, rails mouldings,
mantle, built-ins and possibly a buit in work/desk area. I think mail order
is out because I want to inspect the pieces I pick out.

Thanks all. Thanks Tom

-Bri

In article <[email protected]>, Bob
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Your stories are cute, you can write - now how about helping those that have
> legit woodworking questions and take a few moments to answer their
> questions. I initially thought you were a professional but you have proven
> otherwise.

I respectfully disagree. Tom proved his professionalism a long time
ago, and if he chooses now to retire to the role of storyteller and
elder here on the wreck I not only support but encourage him. We need
more elders who are prepared to judge and comment on the foolishness
they see through the lens of their life's learning.

A well-formed respectful question will, in my experience, ALWAYS get a
good response in this forum.

Rudeness, stupidity (as opposed to ignorance or lack of knowledge), or
provocation, OTOH, will get what it deserves... sarcasm, ridicule, even
shunning depending on the severity of the offense. Lord knows I've
(deservedly) been on the receiving end of same from time to time.

Everyone who frequents the wreck does so because they CHOOSE to. Nobody
is under any obligation here.

djb

You started this diatribe. And if you want to make comparisons, at least the
majority of my posts were made trying to help someone with a question and
were not self-serving.

Next I'll be seeing a post about wanting to shun Bob S. and you'll get
someone else to do the dirty work for you again. You're a real pro you
are....

I do hope you are as tired of this as some of us are with your story-telling
drivel and that this was your last response - tommy boy.

(Bob S. who's tired of watching tommy boy trying to weasel out from under
his own mess...)


>
> This is my last response to you on this, bobbie. For someone who
> bitches and moans about the usefulness of other's posts, you ain't
> showing me much.
>
>
> (watson - who's tired of watching bobbie trying to get his knife sharp
> enough for a gunfight.)
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

patriarch < nicely described the value of this group and its
purpose as I've experienced it - a place to ask questions,
answer questions and discuss woodworking, along with bits
of life - the birth of a first child, the death of a loved one,
including a dear friend that happened to be a dog, the "AH"
moments in the shop, the "AH S__T!" moments in the shop,
friendly banter, the occassional rant and rave, the near
misses and not near misses, the wonderful to read tales
(see Walt Aker's The Great Clock Incident, Tom's wonderful
short stories that bring smiles and sometimes "screen
cleaning ) - and the occassional grouchy visitor who
may, or may not, become a regular.

The group has changed in the last year or so, fuses have
gotten a lot shorter, few now know about "Poo Suits" or
what they're missing now that many of the "old regulars"
moved away, or in some cases moved "way away" to that
Big Shop In The Sky.

Perhaps one of the things the group is losing are mentors
who, by example, help newbies along their woodworking
and life's journey, providing gentle nudges, pointers to
great woodworkers, past and present, and yes, a little
philosophy along the way. I probably would eventually
have "discovered" Krenov and Nakashima and Sam Maloof.
But being pointed to them early on gave me a much greater
appreciation for, and love of. wood and woodworking.

Maybe it's the Spam Bots that have caused some of the
problems of late. Use to be that folks used their real
e-mail address in their posts. Pissing contests could
be done between participants rather than as seemingly
never ending threads here. Could be that arguements
that draw a crowd often become fights and, with the
crowds urging, the fights can get out of hand.

Maybe I'm just longing for "the good old days".

Maybe I should try harder. Hey - how about a group
hug? : )

Poo Suit On!

charlie b

Tim Douglass wrote:
> If you're going to killfile him, do it and move on. If not, shut up
> about it. What I really
> do is read the threads that seem interesting and ignore the rest. You
> should try it.

Wait a minute there. Since when does Comon Sense trump Common
Courtesy? %-)
Sounds like a great idea. This last year everyboy's been kinda
testy, what w' the trolls and all. Let's take a breath and get
back to havin' fun. Poo suit on, rubberbands engaged.
Dave in Fairfax
--
Dave Leader
reply-to doesn't work
use:
daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:37:32 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
scribbled:

<snip>

>(watson - who wishes that some non standard food items would be
>described as tasting like steak, instead of the ubiquitous chicken.)

Ostrich tastes like steak.

Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html

My shoes are filling up with the yellow stuff just reading a few of
these entries.

peace,
jo4hn

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:17:25 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>As I said at the beginning of June, it was a draw on who to put in the
>killfile - you, BAD or both. You're really no better than he was when it
>comes to distorting facts or belittling someone.

If you're going to killfile him, do it and move on. If not, shut up
about it. Of the two of you I'd rather read Tom's off-topic blather
than your off-topic blather about his off-topic blather. What I really
do is read the threads that seem interesting and ignore the rest. You
should try it. If it all upsets you that much try this, stop reading
the group. That way you won't be bothered by Tom's posts and we won't
be bothered by you.

"Capitalist Pig" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for a
> "senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.
> Capitalist Pig

> "Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge
> > > > project out of fresh sawn oak again!

> > > Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
> > > power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that
> > > the belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!

> > I find this highly offensive. I am a senior citizen myself and I like
> > to think that I am still in full control of all my faculties. When
> > people like you reinforce the stereotypes with posts like the one
> > above, it sets the movement for equality for seniors back twenty
> > years. Senior citizens can do advanced engineering, high math,
> > theoretical physics, DNA programming - and hell, we can do it *better*
> > than young folk. Just last week, I taught myself aramaic, and now I
> > speak & read it as fluently as some young upstart who's been using it
> > their whole life. Anyway, I'd go on but the nurse says it's time for
> > my daily spongebath, so to wrap it all up, stop using your age as an
> > excuse for your pathetic mental prowess.

Hello, folks. I thought I'd drop in since this thread was
crossposted to soc.retirement. I presume you all know this already,
but if not, the sample you see above is typical of Cap.Pig.
Occasionally he posts to soc.ret and we deal with the abuse by pretty
much ignoring him.
Aramaic? My first thought was, Wow! My second thought was, if
you've spoken any Aramaic out loud then it has been spoken after the
year 700.
You've embarrassed me into getting back to learning one of the easy
languages, modern Italian.
Please keep learning the higher-level stuff so I can come back and
ask questions. :^)

jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> conehead wrote:
> > "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...

> >>>Ostrich tastes like steak.

> >>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...

> > Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
> > goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
> > Conehead

> ... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the dodo?
> gurk, j4

LOL! This was too funny to pass up. I actually do know what
ostrich tastes like. There's a 73-year-old ostrich farmer near us
(rural NC) and he sells fresh eggs, dried eggs, and ground ostrich
meat. I've eaten it. Ostrich doesn't taste like beef, it tastes like
bird meat. It's more flavorful than chicken, turkey, or duck, but not
strong-flavored. It's good, but imho not good enough to kill a big
goofy bird just for a couple of burgers.
His story about getting the eggs is funny, some days he can't get
the eggs away from the ostriches at all, they kick him and peck at him
and drive him away. That is, he loses a fight with birds even tho he
wears a bike helmet and shoulder-length gloves and carries a stick.

Mark <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Tom Watson wrote:
> > Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> > newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.

> This is coming late in the thread, I can understand your wanting to get away
> from this shit for a while.
>
> You'll be glad, and sad, to know the issues you have raised are not limited
> to this group or any other form of electronic forum. There will be those
> who, no matter the communication, will always find fault.
>
> What I don't get is why people think they have some legal or moral right to
> the knowledge we have spent years acquiring. If one has information there
> will always be those who think your obligated to cut loose with it. And if
> you don't divulge your information, no matter if your a nice guy or an
> asshole like me, your.... well, I don't know. The situation is somewhat
> insane.
>
> One thing about these people who take issue is, how many times do they think
> the same person has answered the same question? It's new to them, it's
> something I learned in 1978. (And I'm just a puppy.) I'm so freaking sorry
> I didn't pass information in a manner that soothed your troubled mind. ...
> Not frigging hardly.
> Mark
> N.E. Ohio

Mark, thanks for the definitive answer to the posts we get 2 or 3
times a year on soc.retirement, which always run: "I've started
reading this newsgroup because I need every detail about MY
retirement, and all you selfish old farts talk about is stuff YOU'RE
interested in! What's wrong with you?" Etc.
The boiler-plate answer is always "So ask a question, we'll answer
it." IME, they never ask.
Oh well, guess it's better than the early 90's, when little dollies
would post to the entire net that hundreds of people should
immediately stop talking about a given topic, because _they_ weren't
interested...


> In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice
> there is.

:^)

> Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
> A.K.A. Mark Twain)
> When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
> suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

Mike Richardson wrote:
>Why shouldn't the wreck be the first resort?

>I never have got this DAGS insistence.....


Ditto what Mike says.

UA100

ElaineJ wrote:
> jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>conehead wrote:
>>
>>>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>>>>>Ostrich tastes like steak.
>
>
>>>>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>
>
>>>Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
>>>goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
>>>Conehead
>
>
>>... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the dodo?
>> gurk, j4
>
>
> LOL! This was too funny to pass up. I actually do know what
> ostrich tastes like. There's a 73-year-old ostrich farmer near us
> (rural NC) and he sells fresh eggs, dried eggs, and ground ostrich
> meat. I've eaten it. Ostrich doesn't taste like beef, it tastes like
> bird meat. It's more flavorful than chicken, turkey, or duck, but not
> strong-flavored. It's good, but imho not good enough to kill a big
> goofy bird just for a couple of burgers.
> His story about getting the eggs is funny, some days he can't get
> the eggs away from the ostriches at all, they kick him and peck at him
> and drive him away. That is, he loses a fight with birds even tho he
> wears a bike helmet and shoulder-length gloves and carries a stick.

Dried eggs? Dried Ostrich eggs even. I've never heard of such a thing.
It doesn't sound too appetizing.

"Mike Richardson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I use the wreck like I used Fidonet years ago, a collection of mates, old
> farts, wise ones and fools, all chinwagging. Why shouldnt I lean across
the
> bar (keyboard) and ask a mate the question instead of going to the library
> or news archive?
>
> You see, a collection of people in a room, would not say to each other
>
> "Hey man, don't ask me that question again - go and read where it was
> written up in my memoirs!"
>

You captured my sentiments as well.

Sometimes we come here with a specific question - like leaning across the
bar and asking "Joe, just how did you hang that ceiling fan from a 17' high
room?". Sometimes we come here with a gripe, "Did I tell you what that
delivery schmoe did to me the other day?". Sometimes we come here for
support, "I've got my heart set on a Pontiac Aztec. I think I'll get one,
whadd'a you think?"

Sometimes I come here to read posts from individuals who's wit and skill
I've grown to admire.

One not need opine on everything -- this is a rare occasion where I disagree
with Mr. Self: If I tire of answering questions on rust(*) then its less
energy to not respond then to compose a DAGS rejoinder.

(*) WD-40 and Scotch Brite = Less Filling/Tastes Great

Tom,

I'm probably the one you're whining about and my comments were based on your
posts at the time. A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice concerning
woodworking. You had posts about selling some of your equipment, some
stories, poems and some other nonsense posts concerning the troll.

While you have attained somewhat of a following here Tom, it appears to be
for your stories and a way with words - not your woodworking skills so it
seems. You were challenged by another concerning that also and seemed very
agitated that your credentials were questioned. You seldom make any on-topic
posts - so what's your problem?

In my post I don't recall resorting to name calling when I referenced you
but you obviously can't provide the same courtesy. I certainly don't know
what it is you're out to prove but you have become a one-man band on a
crusade to boost your ego - any way you can.

Your stories are cute, you can write - now how about helping those that have
legit woodworking questions and take a few moments to answer their
questions. I initially thought you were a professional but you have proven
otherwise.

Bob S.



"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>
> I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
> people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
> I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
> been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>
> If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
> they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
> "thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
> the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>
> It's a simple thing, really.
>
> Am I whining?
>
> Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

> Am I whining?

naah, not at all.

sometimes I think usenet was created to break humans of
expecting reciprocation for a good deed, even if it's only
a nod.

Nice return Tom. I did a local search (using Outlook) which at the time
showed only the two.

Today, I did a Google search (since you brought this up and decided to toss
some dirt) and it showed 22 off-topic and 8 on-topic posts for June. May
was the month I was referencing in the OP and you made 91 off-topic or
otherwise self-serving posts to 6 on-topic posts where you actually answered
a question for someone.

As I said at the beginning of June, it was a draw on who to put in the
killfile - you, BAD or both. You're really no better than he was when it
comes to distorting facts or belittling someone.

And I can assure you that my woodworking tolerances are accurate.

Bob S.

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:59:49 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >No Tom, I don't think so. Like you, I just did a search for your posts
on
> >Google and your off-topic posts far exceed the woodworking related
posts -
> >22 to 8 for June alone.
>
> So now we've gone from the two that you claimed previously to eight?
>
> I can only hope that your woodworking tolerances don't vary by four
> hundred percent.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

conehead wrote:
> "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>Ostrich tastes like steak.
>>
>>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>>
>>
>
>
> Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
> goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
>
> --
> Conehead
>
... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the dodo?
gurk,
j4

Tom Watson wrote:

> Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>
> I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
> people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
> I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
> been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>
> If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
> they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
> "thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
> the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>
> It's a simple thing, really.
>
> Am I whining?
>
> Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

yes, you ARE whining...which is precisely what folks do on
Usenet sometimes. :) The question now is, do ya feel better
for having whined over some perceived slight(s)??

dave

Bob wrote:

> Norman,
>
> When his post starts out with "Some chucklehead complained a while back
> ...." in reference to my post - that tends to piss one off. It appears that
> any opinion that differs from his is wrong. My comment was a generalization
> that more posts were being made about the troll than about woodworking. If
> you go back and read some of those, he was purposely baiting the individual
> and taunting him. He could have simply filtered him out (as everyone was
> advocating) or put him in his killfile. No... he wanted to make his case
> and prove a point - whatever that may have been.
>
> Talk of shunning etc. with a whole list of followers began ... real kids
> stuff. I swear, if Tom ever makes an abrupt stop - there will be a lot of
> brown noses all over the rec....
>
> I'm NOT condoning what Dave did and as you'll recall, I was at the end of
> his ugly stick several times. But I think the man has some problems and
> simply filtering him rather than publicly taunting and aggravating the
> situation even more was not a good reaction. That "ganging up" is what set
> me off. Tom couldn't fight his own battle or handle the situation so in
> typical fashion - he called in the rest of the gang to do the deed for him -
> the defacto ring leader in this instance.
>
> Dave was being a PITA but I still don't believe he was the troll some were
> making him out to be. Dave made some honest and sincere posts and did his
> best to help someone when he could. He obviously couldn't handle criticism
> well and would retaliate -- and we all saw the results of that.
>
> It is that gangland mentality that Tom perpetuated and the reliance on his
> following of soldiers to rid the rec of a troll... Wrong way of doing it...
> So let me tell you a story now of how even a bigger nuisance was convinced
> not to bother the rec recently.
>
> Remember the vulgar and vile posts we were getting via the remailer
> service - Dizum? Don't see him anymore do you.. No, he didn't get tired
> and wander away all on his own. It was a combined effort and since I don't
> have the individuals permission to use his name, I'll just call him "the
> good guy from Oz". He helped compile a listing of the posts and forwarded
> them to me. Along with those 75 posts, plus some emails and phone calls to
> the Attorney Generals Office and to Dizum - the problem was solved. It may
> be a temporary fix but it was done quietly, in the background and it was
> expedient. That individual made BAD look good in comparison but the fact
> is, there are ways of dealing with problems when they get to the stage this
> one had gotten to and it doesn't take a gangland mentality to do it either.
>
> I see now that Tom is back to offering some good advice - again. It may be
> that he realized he was doing more complaining than helping. Yes, he's a
> good writer and a story teller - no argument. But he used that talent to
> denigrate others and to solicit them to follow his actions.
>
> If the group really has adopted his attitude and support his actions (and I
> don't think the majority have), then this place has gone to hell and I'll
> leave. I don't want to have any ass kicking contests with Tom or anyone
> else but when he starts with the name calling you can damn well bet he's
> going to get a rebuttal and a dressing down he deserves.
>
> And to answer your last question - no I do not know the paragraph you're
> referencing...
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Norman,
>>>
>>>I think that if you verified a few facts that maybe you would find that
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>>isn't really telling the whole story.
>>>
>>>Bob S.
>>
>>Bob,
>> I have, although not to put too fine a point on it, I didn't count all
>>his posts back through May & June to compare OT etc. However, this was
>>during the height of the *troll wars*, and I can cut Tom some slack on
>
> that,
>
>>because He Who Shall Remain Unnamed was being a real PITA, and has been in
>>my killfile under many different guises for some time.
>>
>>Tom has offered a lot of good advice in my time here on the wRECk, and I
>>fully expect him to offer more.
>>
>>It did surprise me to see you jump in with the response you did to Tom's
>
> OP,
>
>>you seemed a little more hostile than I normally think of you as being.
>>
>>To finish, do you know what paragraph I was referring to?
>>--
>>Nahmie
>>The first myth of management is that management exists.
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
veddy interesting comments, Bob. Wish I could remember
specifically what I did to upset you. :) If you didn't
deserve it, I apologize and make no excuses. In any event,
you have hit quite a few "nails" on the "head" with your
observation about TW and his cronies who shall always be
immortalized as the "miscreants" in my view. I never saw a
newsgroup with such a group of adolescent older men who
crave so much support from their peers. They go to any
length to fit in, regardless of how foolish they appear.
Witness TW's endless attacks on me earlier this year. If I
was the complaining type, I would have contacted his ISP.
My ISP received complaints from some bozos here but since
I'm the paying customer, the ISP chalked it up to the
typical nonsense of tattletales on the net and disregarded
the complaints. I thought it had to be the work of someone
so pathetic that I actually felt sorry for them! Reminded me
of a whining little brat going up to a teacher at recess to
complain that "Johnny hit me!". Gimmie a break!

cheers!

dave

Tim

Good advice - hopefully you'll take a shot at following it too. If you had,
you wouldn't have made this post.

Bob S.




"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> What I really
> do is read the threads that seem interesting and ignore the rest. You
> should try it. If it all upsets you that much try this, stop reading
> the group. That way you won't be bothered by Tom's posts and we won't
> be bothered by you.
>

"Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : Well, one would expect so. There have to be some pretty mean critters
in
> : Africa that go after those eggs
>
> And well-travelled, too (ostriches are native to Australia).

Sure about that? Never saw a single Ostrich in all of Australia, but saw
plenty of emu's and cassowaries. Saw lots of Ostriches strutting their stuff
in S. Africa. But, if I recall my evolutionary theory "way back when"
correctly, they all likely have/had a common ancestor before the continents
drifted apart.

Then again, about all I can safely say is that they are not native to South
Louisiana ... unless they all ended up in the gumbo pot before I came along
... which is a distinct possibility.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/10/04

Tom Watson wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:06:29 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
>>made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice concerning
>>woodworking.
>
>
> 6/27/04-Bookcase Questions
> 6/23/04 -Conference Table Finish
> 6/17/04-Long Story - Short Question
> 6/13/04-Bit The Bullet Today
> 6/10/04 -Workbench Material Choice
> 6/7/04- W+H, was Boxes a la Tom Watson
> 6/3/04- Oak Table Restoration Refinishing
> 6/1/04- Solid Surface Supplier
>
> A review of my posts substantiates that you are full of crap.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
a review of YOUR post suggests you are RUDE!

DAVE

Norman,

When his post starts out with "Some chucklehead complained a while back
...." in reference to my post - that tends to piss one off. It appears that
any opinion that differs from his is wrong. My comment was a generalization
that more posts were being made about the troll than about woodworking. If
you go back and read some of those, he was purposely baiting the individual
and taunting him. He could have simply filtered him out (as everyone was
advocating) or put him in his killfile. No... he wanted to make his case
and prove a point - whatever that may have been.

Talk of shunning etc. with a whole list of followers began ... real kids
stuff. I swear, if Tom ever makes an abrupt stop - there will be a lot of
brown noses all over the rec....

I'm NOT condoning what Dave did and as you'll recall, I was at the end of
his ugly stick several times. But I think the man has some problems and
simply filtering him rather than publicly taunting and aggravating the
situation even more was not a good reaction. That "ganging up" is what set
me off. Tom couldn't fight his own battle or handle the situation so in
typical fashion - he called in the rest of the gang to do the deed for him -
the defacto ring leader in this instance.

Dave was being a PITA but I still don't believe he was the troll some were
making him out to be. Dave made some honest and sincere posts and did his
best to help someone when he could. He obviously couldn't handle criticism
well and would retaliate -- and we all saw the results of that.

It is that gangland mentality that Tom perpetuated and the reliance on his
following of soldiers to rid the rec of a troll... Wrong way of doing it...
So let me tell you a story now of how even a bigger nuisance was convinced
not to bother the rec recently.

Remember the vulgar and vile posts we were getting via the remailer
service - Dizum? Don't see him anymore do you.. No, he didn't get tired
and wander away all on his own. It was a combined effort and since I don't
have the individuals permission to use his name, I'll just call him "the
good guy from Oz". He helped compile a listing of the posts and forwarded
them to me. Along with those 75 posts, plus some emails and phone calls to
the Attorney Generals Office and to Dizum - the problem was solved. It may
be a temporary fix but it was done quietly, in the background and it was
expedient. That individual made BAD look good in comparison but the fact
is, there are ways of dealing with problems when they get to the stage this
one had gotten to and it doesn't take a gangland mentality to do it either.

I see now that Tom is back to offering some good advice - again. It may be
that he realized he was doing more complaining than helping. Yes, he's a
good writer and a story teller - no argument. But he used that talent to
denigrate others and to solicit them to follow his actions.

If the group really has adopted his attitude and support his actions (and I
don't think the majority have), then this place has gone to hell and I'll
leave. I don't want to have any ass kicking contests with Tom or anyone
else but when he starts with the name calling you can damn well bet he's
going to get a rebuttal and a dressing down he deserves.

And to answer your last question - no I do not know the paragraph you're
referencing...

Bob S.


"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Norman,
> >
> > I think that if you verified a few facts that maybe you would find that
> Tom
> > isn't really telling the whole story.
> >
> > Bob S.
>
> Bob,
> I have, although not to put too fine a point on it, I didn't count all
> his posts back through May & June to compare OT etc. However, this was
> during the height of the *troll wars*, and I can cut Tom some slack on
that,
> because He Who Shall Remain Unnamed was being a real PITA, and has been in
> my killfile under many different guises for some time.
>
> Tom has offered a lot of good advice in my time here on the wRECk, and I
> fully expect him to offer more.
>
> It did surprise me to see you jump in with the response you did to Tom's
OP,
> you seemed a little more hostile than I normally think of you as being.
>
> To finish, do you know what paragraph I was referring to?
> --
> Nahmie
> The first myth of management is that management exists.
>
>
>
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>
>

John-Charles Verbeek wrote:


>
> Capitalist,
>
>> Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for a
>> "senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.
>
> Aramaic is still spoken in small parts of Turkey, and between some Turks
> emigrated to Western
> Europe.
>
> Regards,
>
> John-Charles.

Capitalist Pig is multi-lingual too.

He speaks Cheney & Bushie.

"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> That's why you often saw "thinks in advance" or "TIA" from a
> questioner.


The problem with TIA is that you never know if the person asking ever reads
the responses. ONE simple Thank You later in the day would seem more
genuine and indicate that maybe the answers were actually read.

Norman,

I think that if you verified a few facts that maybe you would find that Tom
isn't really telling the whole story.

Bob S.


"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:06:29 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
> > >made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice
> concerning
> > >woodworking.
> >
> > 6/27/04-Bookcase Questions
> > 6/23/04 -Conference Table Finish
> > 6/17/04-Long Story - Short Question
> > 6/13/04-Bit The Bullet Today
> > 6/10/04 -Workbench Material Choice
> > 6/7/04- W+H, was Boxes a la Tom Watson
> > 6/3/04- Oak Table Restoration Refinishing
> > 6/1/04- Solid Surface Supplier
> >
> > A review of my posts substantiates that you are full of crap.
>
> Tom,
> Do you think it's time for me to quote the opening paragraphs of
Davey's
> mini-FAQ for *Mr. Bobs* edification?
>
> --
> Nahmie
> The first myth of management is that management exists.
>
>
>
>
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>
>

Tom Watson wrote:

> Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.


This is coming late in the thread, I can understand your wanting to get away
from this shit for a while.


You'll be glad, and sad, to know the issues you have raised are not limited to
this group or any other form of electronic forum. There will be those who , no
matter the communication, will always find fault.


What I don't get is why people think they have some legal or moral right to the
knowledge we have spent years acquiring. If one has information there will
always be those who think your obligated to cut loose with it. And if you don't
divulge your information, no matter if your a nice guy or an asshole like me,
your.... well, I don't know. The situation is somewhat insane.

One thing about these people who take issue is, how many times do they think the
same person has answered the same question? It's new to them, it's something I
learned in 1978. (And I'm just a puppy.) I'm so freaking sorry I didn't pass
information in a manner that soothed your troubled mind. ... Not frigging hardly.



--

Mark

N.E. Ohio

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice
there is.

Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

Good points Tom..

And as far as common courtesy and a Thank You goes, IMHO, TIA or Thanks in
Advance is tacky.

Gentlemen, can we call an end to the pissing contest, hose down the arena,
and go home?

"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You started this diatribe. And if you want to make comparisons, at least
the
> majority of my posts were made trying to help someone with a question and
> were not self-serving.
>
> Next I'll be seeing a post about wanting to shun Bob S. and you'll get
> someone else to do the dirty work for you again. You're a real pro you
> are....
>
> I do hope you are as tired of this as some of us are with your
story-telling
> drivel and that this was your last response - tommy boy.
>
> (Bob S. who's tired of watching tommy boy trying to weasel out from under
> his own mess...)
>
>
> >
> > This is my last response to you on this, bobbie. For someone who
> > bitches and moans about the usefulness of other's posts, you ain't
> > showing me much.
> >
> >
> > (watson - who's tired of watching bobbie trying to get his knife sharp
> > enough for a gunfight.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom.
> >
> > Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> > tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> > http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
>
>

Capitalist,

> Aramaic, huh. Aramaic hasn't been spoken since about AD 700. Yeah for a
> "senior citizen" you're not only full of shit, you're brain dead.

Aramaic is still spoken in small parts of Turkey, and between some Turks emigrated to Western
Europe.

Regards,

John-Charles.

"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > Ostrich tastes like steak.
>
> and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>
>

I thought it tasted like woodchuck.
--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Mike Richardson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I use the wreck like I used Fidonet years ago, a collection of mates,
>> old farts, wise ones and fools, all chinwagging. Why shouldnt I lean
>> across
> the
>> bar (keyboard) and ask a mate the question instead of going to the
>> library or news archive?
>>
>> You see, a collection of people in a room, would not say to each
>> other
>>
>> "Hey man, don't ask me that question again - go and read where it was
>> written up in my memoirs!"
>>
>
> You captured my sentiments as well.
>
> Sometimes we come here with a specific question - like leaning across
> the bar and asking "Joe, just how did you hang that ceiling fan from a
> 17' high room?". Sometimes we come here with a gripe, "Did I tell you
> what that delivery schmoe did to me the other day?". Sometimes we
> come here for support, "I've got my heart set on a Pontiac Aztec. I
> think I'll get one, whadd'a you think?"
>
> Sometimes I come here to read posts from individuals who's wit and
> skill I've grown to admire.
>
> One not need opine on everything -- this is a rare occasion where I
> disagree with Mr. Self: If I tire of answering questions on rust(*)
> then its less energy to not respond then to compose a DAGS rejoinder.
>
> (*) WD-40 and Scotch Brite = Less Filling/Tastes Great
>
>
>

Sometimes, there are days or evenings we cannot get into the shop
ourselves. Business travel. Family responsibilities. Sometimes our knees
or backs hurt, or other body parts don't function as well as tools would
require. Sometimes, the meds say "don't use heavy machinery". To have the
Wreck here lets us, for the most part, enjoy our hobby, in spite of today's
limitations. It is indeed a worldwide web...

I wish I had known of, and used the resources, including the archives, more
fully, prior to purchasing some of the more expensive artifacts of wood
modification in my shop. There would be more room for working and storage.
And less explaining to my wife about why I needed a new blurfl.

In the archives, I have met Wreckers now passed on, and appreciated their
skills, both personal and craft. Lessons written up by resident, and less
resident, gurus are in my save files, and are part of my shop routine. I
doubt I ever would have tried shellac, or acquired and tuned an old
handplane, without the simple, clear explanations offered here, to a
beginner. Thanks again, Paddy. And Paul. And Patrick. And charlie. And all
of the others.

I am saddened deeply when, for whatever reason, a p*ss*ng contest breaks
out. Human nature being what it is, hoever, I am not surprised. Just
saddened. Because, what was enjoyable, now must be filtered, either
electronically, or otherwise.

And this has been too nice a place, too much a refuge, to simply abandon.

Patriarch

Tom Watson <[email protected]> said:

> I like bunnies. They taste like chicken.

I would take rabbit over chicken any day.
--
Mac Cool

"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge
> project
> > out of fresh sawn oak again!
>
> Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
> power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that the
> belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!
>

I find this highly offensive. I am a senior citizen myself and I like
to think that I am still in full control of all my faculties. When
people like you reinforce the stereotypes with posts like the one
above, it sets the movement for equality for seniors back twenty
years. Senior citizens can do advanced engineering, high math,
theoretical physics, DNA programming - and hell, we can do it *better*
than young folk. Just last week, I taught myself aramaic, and now I
speak & read it as fluently as some young upstart who's been using it
their whole life. Anyway, I'd go on but the nurse says it's time for
my daily spongebath, so to wrap it all up, stop using your age as an
excuse for your pathetic mental prowess.

> Ostrich tastes like steak.

and Emu tastes like Ostrich...

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:59:49 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>No Tom, I don't think so. Like you, I just did a search for your posts on
>Google and your off-topic posts far exceed the woodworking related posts -
>22 to 8 for June alone.

So now we've gone from the two that you claimed previously to eight?

I can only hope that your woodworking tolerances don't vary by four
hundred percent.



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:06:29 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
> >made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice
concerning
> >woodworking.
>
> 6/27/04-Bookcase Questions
> 6/23/04 -Conference Table Finish
> 6/17/04-Long Story - Short Question
> 6/13/04-Bit The Bullet Today
> 6/10/04 -Workbench Material Choice
> 6/7/04- W+H, was Boxes a la Tom Watson
> 6/3/04- Oak Table Restoration Refinishing
> 6/1/04- Solid Surface Supplier
>
> A review of my posts substantiates that you are full of crap.

Tom,
Do you think it's time for me to quote the opening paragraphs of Davey's
mini-FAQ for *Mr. Bobs* edification?

--
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The first myth of management is that management exists.




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"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:300620042145481213%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...

<snip>

> Rudeness, stupidity (as opposed to ignorance or lack of knowledge), or
> provocation, OTOH, will get what it deserves... sarcasm, ridicule, even
> shunning depending on the severity of the offense. Lord knows I've
> (deservedly) been on the receiving end of same from time to time.

You, Dave? Nah, don't believe it.(G,D,&R)

> Everyone who frequents the wreck does so because they CHOOSE to. Nobody
> is under any obligation here.

Absolutely!

--
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Mike Richardson wrote:

> NOT PERSONALY DIRECTED DIATRIBE FOLLOWS
>
> Why shouldn't the wreck be the first resort?
>
> I never have got this DAGS insistence.....
>
> I use the wreck like I used Fidonet years ago, a collection of mates, old
> farts, wise ones and fools, all chinwagging. Why shouldnt I lean across
> the bar (keyboard) and ask a mate the question instead of going to the
> library or news archive?
>
> You see, a collection of people in a room, would not say to each other
>
> "Hey man, don't ask me that question again - go and read where it was
> written up in my memoirs!"
>
>
> To me, I reckon if you have that attitude, you should shut up, rather than
> say,
>
> "I refuse to respond helpfully, because I have spoken before upon this
> subject"
>
> Gee - rant rant rant...
>
> All better now...
> Just my opinion - which is worth EXACTLY the same as yours....whoever you
> may be behind that pink Tutu.
>
> Oh, and don't start on top posting. I was emailing and newsgrouping
> before the Internet became fashionable.

If it was any real effort to do a google search then that would be one
thing. But it's not. One of the great benefits of USENET is that it is
archived--unlike a conversation in a pub, with USENET you can get the
benefit not only of the wisdom of everyone in the pub, but of everyone who
has ever been in that pub. By neglecting the search you miss out on that
benefit.

Also, I for one find it really annoying when someone asks a question and the
first hit on the topic on Google is a huge web site devoted to answering
that specific question.

Also, if you do the search you may find that there is an 800 post thread on
the topic that just ran down a couple of days before, indicating that
everyone involved is pretty much burnt out on it. Then there's the
question that gets asked over and over and over again so that there are
usually several posts active on the group at the same time from different
people asking the same question, to which, if they'd bothered to read the
group for a bit (listen to the ongoing discussion in your hypothetical pub)
they'd already know the answer.

Further, by asking first instead of searching first, you short-change
yourself. The world's expert on the topic about which you're inquiring
might be a regular on the group, but be offline for whatever reason at the
time that you ask--by doing the search you would find his extensive
discussion of your question but by asking instead of searching you'd miss
that. Or he may just be into something else now and not interested in
discussing that particular topic anymore.

Or you may hit a religious issue that nobody wants to get into because every
time it's come up it's degenerated into a huge flame war.


> Mike
> Brisbane
> Fidonet Mail hub 3:640/301 :-)
>
> Oh, and PS - Big thanks for the incredible learning tool that the Wreck
> crew
> provides. Yes - even the "Miscreants", and the BAD's and the JT's etc etc
> etc....
>
> "Lu Powell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Amen, Mr. Watson. I have posted a few questions on this forum
>> occasionally, and have always gotten good advice from several regulars.
>> Before posting, I have done my homework by searching the web, by study
>> of my meager library, and even by trying on scraps of wood. Many times,
>> I found answers to fit my needs via a Google search.
>>
>> My sense of the problem is that a lot of folks post a question here as a
>> first and only resort, rather than as a last or next-to-last resort.
>> Many times, I found answers to posted queries through a brief Google or
>> other search - a method the posers might try for themselves first,
>> rather than expecting the regulars here to spoon-feed them.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Norman,
>
> I think that if you verified a few facts that maybe you would find that
Tom
> isn't really telling the whole story.
>
> Bob S.

Bob,
I have, although not to put too fine a point on it, I didn't count all
his posts back through May & June to compare OT etc. However, this was
during the height of the *troll wars*, and I can cut Tom some slack on that,
because He Who Shall Remain Unnamed was being a real PITA, and has been in
my killfile under many different guises for some time.

Tom has offered a lot of good advice in my time here on the wRECk, and I
fully expect him to offer more.

It did surprise me to see you jump in with the response you did to Tom's OP,
you seemed a little more hostile than I normally think of you as being.

To finish, do you know what paragraph I was referring to?
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"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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O.K., I've had my say and you've made your point, and as Bob Schmall said,
"Can we end the pissing contest, hose down the arena and go home?"

Here is/are the paragraphs I was referring to:

This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
(ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of friends
over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your life,
like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur you
just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.

One resource that is even greater than this NG is this NG's archives. Every
message posted here is stored on Deja.com (now http://groups.google.com/).
Many knowledgeable wreckers no longer post on topics asked every other day,
because of the repetitive nature. If you want the most in depth answer to
your question, check Deja, if you do not get all the information you
require, then post your question to the NG.

I'm back, and yes, we get OT, have flame wars, don the poo suits & nomex
undies, and as far I personally am concerned, it's 99% in good fun, even our
"home grown" trolls. The signal/noise ratio is considerably better the last
couple weeks or the last month, probably some due to yours & others efforts
to silence *dizum*, but also because some of the trollish behavior of others
intruding from other groups has gone way down, as witnessed by the fact that
my message counter no longer loses 25% of the headers from the time it tells
me there are *X* number out there, and then they disappear due to my filters
while loading the headers. Now I lose maybe 3 to 5% to the filters.

I think I've "run down". Guess I'll think about spending time in the
sh^H^H^basement tomorrow, put the riser kit on my G0555.

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"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge
project
> out of fresh sawn oak again!

Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that the
belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!

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"Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
> > power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that
the
> > belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!
> >
>
> Just last week, I taught myself aramaic, and now I
> speak & read it as fluently as some young upstart who's been using it
> their whole life. Anyway, I'd go on but the nurse says it's time for
> my daily spongebath, so to wrap it all up, stop using your age as an
> excuse for your pathetic mental prowess.

Trishia,
Let's make a deal! You take your tongue out of your cheek & I'll take my
tongue out of my cheek! Our family doesn't call it Alzheimer's, we call it
*Part-timer's*(part of the time you remember, part of - - etc.).

Ackshully, 27yr. of high stress large scale EDP repair/maintenance, then
10+yr. OTR trucker, now it's 30 & 40yr. old kids who call up & say "Daddy, I
love you - - - " or SIL's who call up and say "Pop, how do you do this?" or
"What do you think is the problem with this?". They are learning, though!
Got a pretty good bunch of kids who know their mechanics, and it's coming
back around, as I can't physically crawl around under vehicles like I used
to, so they do it for me now.

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ElaineJ wrote:

> jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> conehead wrote:
>> > "Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>
>> >>>Ostrich tastes like steak.
>
>> >>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>
>> > Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
>> > goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
>> > Conehead
>
>> ... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the
>> dodo? gurk, j4
>
> LOL! This was too funny to pass up. I actually do know what
> ostrich tastes like. There's a 73-year-old ostrich farmer near us
> (rural NC) and he sells fresh eggs, dried eggs, and ground ostrich
> meat. I've eaten it. Ostrich doesn't taste like beef, it tastes like
> bird meat. It's more flavorful than chicken, turkey, or duck, but not
> strong-flavored. It's good, but imho not good enough to kill a big
> goofy bird just for a couple of burgers.
> His story about getting the eggs is funny, some days he can't get
> the eggs away from the ostriches at all, they kick him and peck at him
> and drive him away. That is, he loses a fight with birds even tho he
> wears a bike helmet and shoulder-length gloves and carries a stick.

Well, one would expect so. There have to be some pretty mean critters in
Africa that go after those eggs, not to mention that if Bakker's theories
are to be believed ostriches _are_ dinosaurs of a sort. I understand that
ostriches kick worse than mules and are quite capable of delivering a
lethal blow--not to be trifled with. At one time a bird about the size of
an ostrich was the apex predator in the Americas, then the Siberian land
bridge opened up, but then cats discovered America. Note that those birds
are extinct, but ostriches aren't.

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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:

: Well, one would expect so. There have to be some pretty mean critters in
: Africa that go after those eggs

And well-travelled, too (ostriches are native to Australia).

-- Andy Barss

Andrew Barss wrote:

> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : Well, one would expect so. There have to be some pretty mean critters
> : in Africa that go after those eggs
>
> And well-travelled, too (ostriches are native to Australia).

I think you're confusing ostriches with emus. Ostriches are native to East
Africa.

>
> -- Andy Barss

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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Richard A. wrote:

> ElaineJ wrote:
>> jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>conehead wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>Ostrich tastes like steak.
>>
>>
>>>>>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>>
>>
>>>>Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
>>>>goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
>>>>Conehead
>>
>>
>>>... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the
>>>dodo? gurk, j4
>>
>>
>> LOL! This was too funny to pass up. I actually do know what
>> ostrich tastes like. There's a 73-year-old ostrich farmer near us
>> (rural NC) and he sells fresh eggs, dried eggs, and ground ostrich
>> meat. I've eaten it. Ostrich doesn't taste like beef, it tastes like
>> bird meat. It's more flavorful than chicken, turkey, or duck, but not
>> strong-flavored. It's good, but imho not good enough to kill a big
>> goofy bird just for a couple of burgers.
>> His story about getting the eggs is funny, some days he can't get
>> the eggs away from the ostriches at all, they kick him and peck at him
>> and drive him away. That is, he loses a fight with birds even tho he
>> wears a bike helmet and shoulder-length gloves and carries a stick.
>
> Dried eggs? Dried Ostrich eggs even. I've never heard of such a thing.
> It doesn't sound too appetizing.

Come as a powder, mix with water and heat and you've got something that if
you don't inspect it too closely bears a slight resemblance to scrambled
eggs. Helps to add lots of salt and pepper and Tabasco. Doesn't help
_much_ mind you. Check backpacking shops if you want to give them a try
(dried chicken eggs that is--haven't ever seen dried ostrich eggs at a
backpacking shop).

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Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Mike,

I flew back from 3 days in Brisbane this afternoon, so first, let me say -
you guys are nuts. I sat eating my breakfast in the mall opposite the Casino
under a gas heater, and I was sweating. I had my jacket off and was
surrounded by shivering, gloved-up and beanied Brisbanites. Quite a surreal
experience. (wusses)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. My personal view on the DAGS is that I do
not mind helping a person who asks a question. Sometimes I will do extended
research to find the answer for someone, then post it for all. However, if a
person appears not to know about Google searches, I will tell them. I stop
helping anyone who doesn't help others or who consistently fails to show any
inclination to help themselves (thankfully these are few and far between).

Thee are a number who ask "dumb" questions repeatedly, but try to help out
where they can - and I don't think people mind helping them at all. There
have been some others that *demand* help, abuse those who suggest Google and
complain when given a Google search link - they tend to be responded to in
kind. Then there are variations in between that draw a variety of responses;
as you would know, that is the nature of Usenet.

Is it more rude for the group to ask someone to use Google (even
occasionally), than it is for a new member to expect to be part of a group
that uses Google as a resource, but not attempt to use Google in the same
manner as the other members?

It takes me, on average, three to 8 seconds to initiate a Google search and
get a response (usually thousands). It can take up to a minute to formulate
a post and send it. I am then forced to wait a few minutes to a day to get
an answer, if at all. So the use of Google is more efficient initially. If
I don't find what I want, I then post a question (ok, not always - but
mostly), and usually will mention that Google has been consulted.

*Not* using Google is a waste of someone's time, continued failure to use
Google (even occasionally) can annoy people. In your analogy of the mates at
the bar - I fully agree with you. But these are not mates, they are
strangers (to the newbie). Go into any bar in Brisbane tonight and sit down
with a bunch of strangers and start asking for directions. If someone offers
you a map, refuse it and state that you prefer personal responses. Follow
this up by asking for more directions. Some people may humour you (may), but
the tone of the conversation will change. Then leave, and have a friend go
in and repeat the process. For a realistic experience, choose a builder's
labourers bar...

I guess in a way it is like some people's attitude to those on the dole.
There are those who believe they should work to earn it, others will think
it is ok to do nothing and live off the government. The general view usually
lies somewhere in between. ie, at some point self help is necessary.

cheers

--
Greg


"Mike Richardson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NOT PERSONALY DIRECTED DIATRIBE FOLLOWS
>
> Why shouldn't the wreck be the first resort?
>
> I never have got this DAGS insistence.....
>
> I use the wreck like I used Fidonet years ago, a collection of mates, old
> farts, wise ones and fools, all chinwagging. Why shouldnt I lean across
the
> bar (keyboard) and ask a mate the question instead of going to the library
> or news archive?
>
> You see, a collection of people in a room, would not say to each other
>
> "Hey man, don't ask me that question again - go and read where it was
> written up in my memoirs!"
>
>
> To me, I reckon if you have that attitude, you should shut up, rather than
> say,
>
> "I refuse to respond helpfully, because I have spoken before upon this
> subject"
>
> Gee - rant rant rant...
>
> All better now...
> Just my opinion - which is worth EXACTLY the same as yours....whoever you
> may be behind that pink Tutu.
>
> Oh, and don't start on top posting. I was emailing and newsgrouping
before
> the Internet became fashionable.
>
> Mike
> Brisbane
> Fidonet Mail hub 3:640/301 :-)
>
> Oh, and PS - Big thanks for the incredible learning tool that the Wreck
crew
> provides. Yes - even the "Miscreants", and the BAD's and the JT's etc etc
> etc....
>
> "Lu Powell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Amen, Mr. Watson. I have posted a few questions on this forum
> > occasionally, and have always gotten good advice from several regulars.
> > Before posting, I have done my homework by searching the web, by study
> > of my meager library, and even by trying on scraps of wood. Many times,
> > I found answers to fit my needs via a Google search.
> >
> > My sense of the problem is that a lot of folks post a question here as a
> > first and only resort, rather than as a last or next-to-last resort.
> > Many times, I found answers to posted queries through a brief Google or
> > other search - a method the posers might try for themselves first,
> > rather than expecting the regulars here to spoon-feed them.
>
>

Bob wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I'm probably the one you're whining about and my comments were based on your
> posts at the time. A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
> made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice concerning
> woodworking. You had posts about selling some of your equipment, some
> stories, poems and some other nonsense posts concerning the troll.
>
> While you have attained somewhat of a following here Tom, it appears to be
> for your stories and a way with words - not your woodworking skills so it
> seems. You were challenged by another concerning that also and seemed very
> agitated that your credentials were questioned. You seldom make any on-topic
> posts - so what's your problem?
>
> In my post I don't recall resorting to name calling when I referenced you
> but you obviously can't provide the same courtesy. I certainly don't know
> what it is you're out to prove but you have become a one-man band on a
> crusade to boost your ego - any way you can.
>
> Your stories are cute, you can write - now how about helping those that have
> legit woodworking questions and take a few moments to answer their
> questions. I initially thought you were a professional but you have proven
> otherwise.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
>>newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>>
>>I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
>>people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>>
>>What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
>>thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
>>just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>>
>>I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
>>been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>>
>>If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
>>they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
>>"thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
>>the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>>
>>It's a simple thing, really.
>>
>>Am I whining?
>>
>>Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tom.
>>
>>Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
>>tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>>http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
>
>
>
so true, so true. TW uses his abilities to assemble the
English language in ways known to increase his standing with
the miscreants that he longs to impress...

dave

"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> Right, and a single "thanks to all" message will do. They don't
> even need to post long reples to each and every responder.

Bingo... I'd prefer to not have to scan thru individual thank you's...

And, for the many times I'm sure I've forgotten, may I be the first to offer
a collective "THANK YOU!" to all?

"Andrew Barss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : Well, one would expect so. There have to be some pretty mean critters
in
> : Africa that go after those eggs
>
> And well-travelled, too (ostriches are native to Australia).
>
> -- Andy Barss

Not quite right!

© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
"You cannot make someone love you.
All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in."

This thread reminds me of the lad that emigrated from Puerto Rico to
the U.S. and started at a naval base as an engineer. He came to me
and asked a question about obtaining a piece of data adding "Don't do
it for me just tell me where to go to get it and who to ask" and I
almost kissed him, what a refreshing change! I resisted the
temptation.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:27:48 GMT, "Greg Millen" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I guess in a way it is like some people's attitude to those on the dole.
>There are those who believe they should work to earn it, others will think
>it is ok to do nothing and live off the government. The general view usually
>lies somewhere in between. ie, at some point self help is necessary.

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:27:36 -0500, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Bob wrote:
>>Your stories are cute,...
>
>I'm not sure how much of a compliment I'd take this to be.
>I mean, puppies, bunnies and kittie cats are cute.
>
>UA100, some times offerer of good advice (advise in
>wreakspeak) but mostly lurking lately...


I like bunnies. They taste like chicken.

So do puppies and kittie cats but it would be wrong to order up
General Tso's Puppy down to the local Szechuan place.

Disregarding the accuracy of the claim.


(watson - who wishes that some non standard food items would be
described as tasting like steak, instead of the ubiquitous chicken.)




Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

J. Clarke wrote:
> Richard A. wrote:
>
>
>>ElaineJ wrote:
>>
>>>jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:<[email protected]>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>conehead wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Greg Millen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>Ostrich tastes like steak.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>and Emu tastes like Ostrich...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Camel tastes like wallaby, but emu has a range of tastes from donkey to
>>>>>goanna. Goanna tastes like heaven.
>>>>>Conehead
>>>
>>>
>>>>... and it all tastes like spotted owl. Or was it black rhino? the
>>>>dodo? gurk, j4
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! This was too funny to pass up. I actually do know what
>>>ostrich tastes like. There's a 73-year-old ostrich farmer near us
>>>(rural NC) and he sells fresh eggs, dried eggs, and ground ostrich
>>>meat. I've eaten it. Ostrich doesn't taste like beef, it tastes like
>>>bird meat. It's more flavorful than chicken, turkey, or duck, but not
>>>strong-flavored. It's good, but imho not good enough to kill a big
>>>goofy bird just for a couple of burgers.
>>> His story about getting the eggs is funny, some days he can't get
>>>the eggs away from the ostriches at all, they kick him and peck at him
>>>and drive him away. That is, he loses a fight with birds even tho he
>>>wears a bike helmet and shoulder-length gloves and carries a stick.
>>
>>Dried eggs? Dried Ostrich eggs even. I've never heard of such a thing.
>> It doesn't sound too appetizing.
>
>
> Come as a powder, mix with water and heat and you've got something that if
> you don't inspect it too closely bears a slight resemblance to scrambled
> eggs. Helps to add lots of salt and pepper and Tabasco. Doesn't help
> _much_ mind you. Check backpacking shops if you want to give them a try
> (dried chicken eggs that is--haven't ever seen dried ostrich eggs at a
> backpacking shop).
>


I was going to say that I was in the Navy but still never saw dried
eggs, then I read the next post. I always thought those eggs were a
little suspicious. Hmmmm. I may never know.

Rich

Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge project
out of fresh sawn oak again!

"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> O.K., I've had my say and you've made your point, and as Bob Schmall said,
> "Can we end the pissing contest, hose down the arena and go home?"
>
> Here is/are the paragraphs I was referring to:
>
> This group is a collection of people with a common interest in woodworking
> (ww'ing), and as such the topics discussed sometimes wander away from
> strictly ww'ing. Think of this NG as if you were having a number of
friends
> over to your shop to discuss ww'ing, 90% of the discussion will revolve
> around ww'ing, but you will also discuss other things going on in your
life,
> like your shop dog dying, gloating about the vintage minty fresh Unisaur
you
> just got for $100, just got a new job, etc. That is what we do in this NG.
>
> One resource that is even greater than this NG is this NG's archives.
Every
> message posted here is stored on Deja.com (now http://groups.google.com/).
> Many knowledgeable wreckers no longer post on topics asked every other
day,
> because of the repetitive nature. If you want the most in depth answer to
> your question, check Deja, if you do not get all the information you
> require, then post your question to the NG.
>
> I'm back, and yes, we get OT, have flame wars, don the poo suits & nomex
> undies, and as far I personally am concerned, it's 99% in good fun, even
our
> "home grown" trolls. The signal/noise ratio is considerably better the
last
> couple weeks or the last month, probably some due to yours & others
efforts
> to silence *dizum*, but also because some of the trollish behavior of
others
> intruding from other groups has gone way down, as witnessed by the fact
that
> my message counter no longer loses 25% of the headers from the time it
tells
> me there are *X* number out there, and then they disappear due to my
filters
> while loading the headers. Now I lose maybe 3 to 5% to the filters.
>
> I think I've "run down". Guess I'll think about spending time in the
> sh^H^H^basement tomorrow, put the riser kit on my G0555.
>
> --
> Nahmie
> The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.
>
>
>
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>
>

Amen, Mr. Watson. I have posted a few questions on this forum
occasionally, and have always gotten good advice from several regulars.
Before posting, I have done my homework by searching the web, by study
of my meager library, and even by trying on scraps of wood. Many times,
I found answers to fit my needs via a Google search.

My sense of the problem is that a lot of folks post a question here as a
first and only resort, rather than as a last or next-to-last resort.
Many times, I found answers to posted queries through a brief Google or
other search - a method the posers might try for themselves first,
rather than expecting the regulars here to spoon-feed them.

I also do a lot of lurking in a couple of the Microsoft forums and am
amazed at the number of queries repeatedly posted which in many, many
cases could be answered with the simple expedient of pressing F1 for
online help on the posers' computers.

Amazing!


"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>
> I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
> people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
> I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
> been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>
> If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
> they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
> "thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
> the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>
> It's a simple thing, really.
>
> Am I whining?
>
> Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 00:06:29 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>A review of your posts will substantiate that you only
>made two posts (in about a months time) that offered any advice concerning
>woodworking.

6/27/04-Bookcase Questions
6/23/04 -Conference Table Finish
6/17/04-Long Story - Short Question
6/13/04-Bit The Bullet Today
6/10/04 -Workbench Material Choice
6/7/04- W+H, was Boxes a la Tom Watson
6/3/04- Oak Table Restoration Refinishing
6/1/04- Solid Surface Supplier

A review of my posts substantiates that you are full of crap.



Regards,
Tom.

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Cheese goes with many different varieties of whine... Its sometimes a very
good cheese like aged sharp cheddar, gouda or brie but can also be among
those such as limburger that are much less sought after...

Thank You Tom.

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
> newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>
> I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
> people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
> I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
> been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>
> If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
> they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
> "thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
> the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.
>
> It's a simple thing, really.
>
> Am I whining?
>
> Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Vieve: I agree seniors are often stereo typed as being deaf, dumb, and
blind after we reach 65. I am 86 and have learned to use a computer so I
can donate my time writing letters of concerns to the government, for
younger persons some who haven't been taught to compose a letter and others
who don't have the time. Most of your disabilities are in the mind. Think
positive and you will feel better, being active and needed will give you a
feeling of worth.
"Trishia Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Is that what that smell was? I thought somebody was building a huge
> > project
> > > out of fresh sawn oak again!
> >
> > Hey! When the brain(?) gets as old and rusty as mine, it takes a lot of
> > power & time to get it cranked up, the grease thinned out enough that
the
> > belts stop slipping and burning! Have a little sensitivity here!
> >
>
> I find this highly offensive. I am a senior citizen myself and I like
> to think that I am still in full control of all my faculties. When
> people like you reinforce the stereotypes with posts like the one
> above, it sets the movement for equality for seniors back twenty
> years. Senior citizens can do advanced engineering, high math,
> theoretical physics, DNA programming - and hell, we can do it *better*
> than young folk. Just last week, I taught myself aramaic, and now I
> speak & read it as fluently as some young upstart who's been using it
> their whole life. Anyway, I'd go on but the nurse says it's time for
> my daily spongebath, so to wrap it all up, stop using your age as an
> excuse for your pathetic mental prowess.

No Tom, I don't think so. Like you, I just did a search for your posts on
Google and your off-topic posts far exceed the woodworking related posts -
22 to 8 for June alone.

In May you made 91 posts - of those only 6 were on-topic. My original post
was made on 2 June and with the 91 to 6 ratio, I'd say my statement was
correct and you sir - are the one full of crap.

I've been around here a long time also Tom and you are the one that usually
takes an on-topic post, off-topic and for whatever reason, thinks that this
ng is for the benefit of Tom Watson's ego building and story telling. It's
getting a bit tiresome and believe it or not Tom, somebody didn't leave you
in charge.

Bob S.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:09:47 +0000, Andrew Barss wrote:

> And well-travelled, too (ostriches are native to Australia).

Not. Introduced, but not native. Though Oz does have native ratites, the
Casuariidae.
Dromaius novaehollandiae Emu
Dromaius ater King Island Emu
Dromaius baudinianus Kangaroo Island Emu

--
"Keep your ass behind you"

Bob wrote:
>Your stories are cute,...

I'm not sure how much of a compliment I'd take this to be.
I mean, puppies, bunnies and kittie cats are cute.

UA100, some times offerer of good advice (advise in
wreakspeak) but mostly lurking lately...

In article <[email protected]>, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I like bunnies. They taste like chicken.
>
The domestic ones *do* taste like chicken, but the wild ones have a
distinctive rich flavor all their own.

I guess you don't hunt rabbit, huh?


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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 22:31:51 -0700, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:37:32 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
>scribbled:
>
><snip>
>
>>(watson - who wishes that some non standard food items would be
>>described as tasting like steak, instead of the ubiquitous chicken.)
>
>Ostrich tastes like steak.

So does most beef, Weegee.

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"Tom Watson" writes:

<snip>
> I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
> people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
> What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
> thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
> just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
<snip>

I sometimes get the feeling that some people make posts, not looking for
information, but rather affirmation of some idea they have.


--
Lew

S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland)
Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

I tend to agree. TIA is starting to look tacky to me too, although I
still use it out of habit. Sometime you just lose track of posts and
all of the replies, esp if you don't check in everyday. But maybe a
quick TIA is better than nothing at all???
Mark L.

Leon wrote:
> Good points Tom..
>
> And as far as common courtesy and a Thank You goes, IMHO, TIA or Thanks in
> Advance is tacky.
>
>
>
>

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:22:31 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>Some chucklehead complained a while back that the regulars in the
>newsgroup don't offer up much in the way of advice.
>
>I'd beg to differ with that. I think that there is a strong core of
>people who go out of their way to answer questions.
>
>What can be a little frustrating is when you spend a good bit of time
>thinking of a response and turning it into keystrokes - and the thread
>just goes away without so much as a, 'thank you'.
>
>I know, it's Usenet ("It's Chinatown, Jake".) but the Wreck has never
>been about the typical sort of interaction that occurs on most groups.
>
>If folks would act with the same sort of common human decency that
>they would use in a face-to-face social interaction - that means,
>"thank you for your efforts on my behalf", other folks who might know
>the answer to the question might be more motivated to respond.

Right, and a single "thanks to all" message will do. They don't
even need to post long reples to each and every responder.


>It's a simple thing, really.
>
>Am I whining?
>
>Sure - but it ain't real bad whining - and it goes to a point.

Right you are, Tawm.


--
If you turn the United States on its side,
everything loose will fall to California.
--Frank Lloyd Wright

NOT PERSONALY DIRECTED DIATRIBE FOLLOWS

Why shouldn't the wreck be the first resort?

I never have got this DAGS insistence.....

I use the wreck like I used Fidonet years ago, a collection of mates, old
farts, wise ones and fools, all chinwagging. Why shouldnt I lean across the
bar (keyboard) and ask a mate the question instead of going to the library
or news archive?

You see, a collection of people in a room, would not say to each other

"Hey man, don't ask me that question again - go and read where it was
written up in my memoirs!"


To me, I reckon if you have that attitude, you should shut up, rather than
say,

"I refuse to respond helpfully, because I have spoken before upon this
subject"

Gee - rant rant rant...

All better now...
Just my opinion - which is worth EXACTLY the same as yours....whoever you
may be behind that pink Tutu.

Oh, and don't start on top posting. I was emailing and newsgrouping before
the Internet became fashionable.

Mike
Brisbane
Fidonet Mail hub 3:640/301 :-)

Oh, and PS - Big thanks for the incredible learning tool that the Wreck crew
provides. Yes - even the "Miscreants", and the BAD's and the JT's etc etc
etc....

"Lu Powell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Amen, Mr. Watson. I have posted a few questions on this forum
> occasionally, and have always gotten good advice from several regulars.
> Before posting, I have done my homework by searching the web, by study
> of my meager library, and even by trying on scraps of wood. Many times,
> I found answers to fit my needs via a Google search.
>
> My sense of the problem is that a lot of folks post a question here as a
> first and only resort, rather than as a last or next-to-last resort.
> Many times, I found answers to posted queries through a brief Google or
> other search - a method the posers might try for themselves first,
> rather than expecting the regulars here to spoon-feed them.

<[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> He came to me
> and asked a question about obtaining a piece of data adding "Don't do
> it for me just tell me where to go to get it and who to ask"

I hope you shoved him through the xerox a few times, they're a rare breed
nowadays.

Greg