I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
$325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3
hp 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its
possible. Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max
pressure 135 PSI. Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot
lacquer with a compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun
recommendations..? Thanks
-Jim
On Jan 7, 6:48=A0pm, Jim Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry didn't mean to offend you. =A0I thought Robatoy was talking about
> something else.. =A0I appreciate your advise.. =A0I'll look into paint po=
ts.
> =A0 Was just thinking that if I'm only spraying say pint to quart of
> lacquer on a project and even less sanding sealer with
> months between projects, paint pots might end up being more maintenance
> and cleaning than just a gravity fed spray gun. =A0If they allow you to
> get a better paint job, I'm interested in that of course.. -Jim
>
> On 1/7/2010 2:51 PM, Roemax wrote:
>
>
>
> > You may find a pot fed system funny,however, I have been spraying for o=
ver
> > 40 years and tried it all
> > air assisted pot fed HVLP is the simplest and best way to go on the che=
ap
>
> > I =A0have a 5 stage turbine accu-spray unit and still use that with a p=
ressure
> > pot.
> > one can produce an amazing finish that way
>
> > "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> "pot-fed" =A0Funny..! =A0Yea me either, but I still crack and break op=
en a
> >> small bag of cheese flavored Doritos from time to time..
>
> >> On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> >>> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> =A0 wr=
ote:
> >>>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> =A0 wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today=
for
> >>>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. =A0=
It's 3
> >>>>> hp
> >>>>> 220 volt 15 amp. =A0After poking around the net I'm not sure its
> >>>>> possible.
> >>>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. =A0Max pressure=
135
> >>>>> PSI.
> >>>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
> >>>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? =A0Th=
anks
>
> >>>>> -Jim
>
> >>>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. =A0You're only going to be delivering
> >>>> between
> >>>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. =A0T=
he
> >>>> thing
> >>>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will sho=
ot
> >>>> guns,
> >>>> they'll just cycle more frequently. =A0If you tried to use something=
like
> >>>> a
> >>>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on=
the
> >>>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should =
be
> >>>> ok.
>
> >>>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd
> >>>> probably
> >>>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking
> >>>> sprays, I
> >>>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. =A0Even large woodworking
> >>>> projects
> >>>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>
> >>>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. =A0You can pay a lot more for =
a gun,
> >>>> but
> >>>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. =A0The F=
LG3
> >>>> can be
> >>>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$15=
0.
> >>>> I
> >>>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as
> >>>> renowned
> >>>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. =A0Generally, without having to buff th=
e
> >>>> finish
> >>>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. =A0Unless of course... th=
ose
> >>>> nasty
> >>>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). =A0So - for
> >>>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to
> >>>> encounter,
> >>>> a gun like this is all one would need. =A0For most woodworking needs=
,
> >>>> Harbor
> >>>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap
> >>>> prices.
> >>>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. =A0I bought a s=
mall
> >>>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I thi=
nk I
> >>>> only paid $30 or so for it. =A0Works just fine, and he only has a ve=
ry
> >>>> small
> >>>> tank style compressor. =A0Really meant for nail guns. =A0But then, m=
ost
> >>>> small
> >>>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun=
on
> >>>> a
> >>>> roof.
>
> >>>> --
>
> >>>> -Mike-
> >>>> [email protected]
>
> >>> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
> >>> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
> >>> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
> >>> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
> >>> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
> >>> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
> >>> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
> >>> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
> >>> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
> >>> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
> >>> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
> >>> top and all works well.
> >>> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
> >>> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
> >>> All done in a minute.
You were on the right pot-fed wavelength doooode!
The small 2 liter pots that hang from your belt, have a short hose and
it drains back into the pot when you disconnect after use. The hose
holds surprising little paint and clean-up is a snap. The consistent,
non-interrupted fluid delivery by far outweighs those couple small
extra cleaning steps.
Allow me to add one more compelling argument for pot-fed spraying:
You can spray upside down with the gun, reach inside much smaller
spaces and there is a lot less weight in your hand during the
spraying, allowing for a much more consistent and accurate pattern.
Slugging that siphon- or gravity pot around gets boring real quick.
Those new composite hand-sized guns are ultra groovy, man. <G>
You can get disposable sleeves for most pot systems as well.... but
they're usually the 2 gallon+ sizes. Now you're talking more money and
by the sounds of it, it would be overkill.
"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>$325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>
> -Jim
It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering between
15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The thing
to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot guns,
they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like a
DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok.
If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probably
find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays, I
don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking projects
are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun, but
I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3 can be
purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. I
turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowned
as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the finish
out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those nasty
dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encounter,
a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs, Harbor
Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very small
tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most small
project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
roof.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Wow! Very helpful.. Thank you..! Chip Foose.. Overhaulin..?!! I love
that show. That guy has amazing creativity.. as do most everyone else
on that show. I like to check out the cars on his website every once in
awhile.. The cars are just awesome.. -Jim
On 1/7/2010 6:57 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>> -Jim
>
> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering between
> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The thing
> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot guns,
> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like a
> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok.
>
> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probably
> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays, I
> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking projects
> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>
> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun, but
> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3 can be
> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. I
> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowned
> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the finish
> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those nasty
> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encounter,
> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs, Harbor
> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very small
> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most small
> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
> roof.
>
>
Thank you.. I think I'll try without pots first though and see if that
works.. I just want to be able to spray some future woodworking projects
mostly. Nothing big.. I got spoiled using an HVLP gun in a couple
cabinet making classes. Hard to go back to the old style after that.. -Jim
On 1/6/2010 8:57 PM, Roemax wrote:
> use a pressure pot
> most any hvlp ,gun will work that way
>
> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>> -Jim
>
>
Thanks.. I was wondering if you could run fluid supply on top of a
gravity gun. Seems like most of the guns for sale are that style.
-Jim
On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>>> -Jim
>>
>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering between
>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The thing
>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot guns,
>> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like a
>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok.
>>
>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probably
>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays, I
>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking projects
>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>>
>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun, but
>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3 can be
>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. I
>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowned
>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the finish
>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those nasty
>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encounter,
>> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs, Harbor
>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very small
>> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most small
>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
>> roof.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
> top and all works well.
> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
> All done in a minute.
"pot-fed" Funny..! Yea me either, but I still crack and break open a
small bag of cheese flavored Doritos from time to time..
On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>>> -Jim
>>
>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering between
>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The thing
>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot guns,
>> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like a
>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok.
>>
>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probably
>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays, I
>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking projects
>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>>
>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun, but
>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3 can be
>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. I
>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowned
>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the finish
>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those nasty
>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encounter,
>> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs, Harbor
>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very small
>> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most small
>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
>> roof.
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
> top and all works well.
> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
> All done in a minute.
Sorry didn't mean to offend you. I thought Robatoy was talking about
something else.. I appreciate your advise.. I'll look into paint pots.
Was just thinking that if I'm only spraying say pint to quart of
lacquer on a project and even less sanding sealer with
months between projects, paint pots might end up being more maintenance
and cleaning than just a gravity fed spray gun. If they allow you to
get a better paint job, I'm interested in that of course.. -Jim
On 1/7/2010 2:51 PM, Roemax wrote:
> You may find a pot fed system funny,however, I have been spraying for over
> 40 years and tried it all
> air assisted pot fed HVLP is the simplest and best way to go on the cheap
>
> I have a 5 stage turbine accu-spray unit and still use that with a pressure
> pot.
> one can produce an amazing finish that way
>
>
> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "pot-fed" Funny..! Yea me either, but I still crack and break open a
>> small bag of cheese flavored Doritos from time to time..
>>
>> On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3
>>>>> hp
>>>>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135
>>>>> PSI.
>>>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>>>
>>>>> -Jim
>>>>
>>>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering
>>>> between
>>>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The
>>>> thing
>>>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot
>>>> guns,
>>>> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like
>>>> a
>>>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>>>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be
>>>> ok.
>>>>
>>>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd
>>>> probably
>>>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking
>>>> sprays, I
>>>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking
>>>> projects
>>>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>>>>
>>>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun,
>>>> but
>>>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3
>>>> can be
>>>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150.
>>>> I
>>>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as
>>>> renowned
>>>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the
>>>> finish
>>>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those
>>>> nasty
>>>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>>>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to
>>>> encounter,
>>>> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs,
>>>> Harbor
>>>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap
>>>> prices.
>>>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>>>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>>>> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very
>>>> small
>>>> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most
>>>> small
>>>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on
>>>> a
>>>> roof.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Mike-
>>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
>>> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
>>> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
>>> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
>>> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
>>> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
>>> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
>>> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
>>> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
>>> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
>>> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
>>> top and all works well.
>>> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
>>> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
>>> All done in a minute.
>>
>
>
Ok, I'm really stoked.! The 2 liter paint pot system is primo..! <G> I
see DeVillbis has a couple setups like you described. Looks like I need
to start saving.. Thanks Robatoy.. -Jim
On 1/7/2010 4:28 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jan 7, 6:48 pm, Jim Hall<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sorry didn't mean to offend you. I thought Robatoy was talking about
>> something else.. I appreciate your advise.. I'll look into paint pots.
>> Was just thinking that if I'm only spraying say pint to quart of
>> lacquer on a project and even less sanding sealer with
>> months between projects, paint pots might end up being more maintenance
>> and cleaning than just a gravity fed spray gun. If they allow you to
>> get a better paint job, I'm interested in that of course.. -Jim
>>
>> On 1/7/2010 2:51 PM, Roemax wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> You may find a pot fed system funny,however, I have been spraying for over
>>> 40 years and tried it all
>>> air assisted pot fed HVLP is the simplest and best way to go on the cheap
>>
>>> I have a 5 stage turbine accu-spray unit and still use that with a pressure
>>> pot.
>>> one can produce an amazing finish that way
>>
>>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "pot-fed" Funny..! Yea me either, but I still crack and break open a
>>>> small bag of cheese flavored Doritos from time to time..
>>
>>>> On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>>>>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3
>>>>>>> hp
>>>>>>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135
>>>>>>> PSI.
>>>>>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>>>>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>>>>>>> -Jim
>>
>>>>>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering
>>>>>> between
>>>>>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot
>>>>>> guns,
>>>>>> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>>>>>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be
>>>>>> ok.
>>
>>>>>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking
>>>>>> sprays, I
>>>>>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking
>>>>>> projects
>>>>>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>>
>>>>>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as
>>>>>> renowned
>>>>>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the
>>>>>> finish
>>>>>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those
>>>>>> nasty
>>>>>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>>>>>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to
>>>>>> encounter,
>>>>>> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs,
>>>>>> Harbor
>>>>>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap
>>>>>> prices.
>>>>>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>>>>>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>>>>>> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> roof.
>>
>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>> -Mike-
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>
>>>>> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
>>>>> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
>>>>> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
>>>>> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
>>>>> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
>>>>> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
>>>>> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
>>>>> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
>>>>> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
>>>>> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
>>>>> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
>>>>> top and all works well.
>>>>> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
>>>>> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
>>>>> All done in a minute.
>
> You were on the right pot-fed wavelength doooode!
> The small 2 liter pots that hang from your belt, have a short hose and
> it drains back into the pot when you disconnect after use. The hose
> holds surprising little paint and clean-up is a snap. The consistent,
> non-interrupted fluid delivery by far outweighs those couple small
> extra cleaning steps.
> Allow me to add one more compelling argument for pot-fed spraying:
> You can spray upside down with the gun, reach inside much smaller
> spaces and there is a lot less weight in your hand during the
> spraying, allowing for a much more consistent and accurate pattern.
> Slugging that siphon- or gravity pot around gets boring real quick.
> Those new composite hand-sized guns are ultra groovy, man.<G>
>
> You can get disposable sleeves for most pot systems as well.... but
> they're usually the 2 gallon+ sizes. Now you're talking more money and
> by the sounds of it, it would be overkill.
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 09:57:58 -0500, the infamous "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>$325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>>220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>>Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>>Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>
>> -Jim
>
>It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering between
>15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The thing
>to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot guns,
>they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like a
>DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok.
People always think that a big spray job requires a big compressor,
but in reality, it only requires a lot of air. Storage can make up
for compressor size, so plumb in some old air tanks or propane tanks
for the capacity and nearly no cost. It's only if you require lots
air a lot of the time, such as for a sandblaster, that you really need
to purchase a large and expensive compressor.
>If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probably
>find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays, I
>don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking projects
>are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun, but
>I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3 can be
>purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. I
That's not too bad. I, too, bought one of the cheapie HVLPs from HF.
If I ever move from hand-rubbed to sprayed finishes, I'll likely have
to buy a real gun. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.
>turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowned
>as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the finish
>out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those nasty
>dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encounter,
>a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs, Harbor
>Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
>They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very small
>tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most small
>project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
>roof.
This is true. I've done both (but the only thing I've sprayed is
acrylic enamel at the very thick edge of the gun's capacity with
warmed paint and 20% Floetrol. Quite the nightmare.)
--
We rightly care about the environment. But our neurotic obsession
with carbon betrays an inability to distinguish between pollution
and the stuff of life itself. --Bret Stephens, WSJ 1/5/10
On Jan 7, 9:57=A0am, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
> >$325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. =A0It's =
3 hp
> >220 volt 15 amp. =A0After poking around the net I'm not sure its possibl=
e.
> >Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. =A0Max pressure 135 =
PSI.
> >Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
> >compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? =A0Thanks
>
> > -Jim
>
> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. =A0You're only going to be delivering betwe=
en
> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. =A0The th=
ing
> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot gu=
ns,
> they'll just cycle more frequently. =A0If you tried to use something like=
a
> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be ok=
.
>
> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd probab=
ly
> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking sprays=
, I
> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. =A0Even large woodworking proj=
ects
> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>
> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. =A0You can pay a lot more for a gun=
, but
> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. =A0The FLG3 c=
an be
> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150. =
=A0I
> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as renowne=
d
> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. =A0Generally, without having to buff the fin=
ish
> out - send it out straight out of the gun. =A0Unless of course... those n=
asty
> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). =A0So - for
> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to encount=
er,
> a gun like this is all one would need. =A0For most woodworking needs, Har=
bor
> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap prices.
> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. =A0I bought a small
> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
> only paid $30 or so for it. =A0Works just fine, and he only has a very sm=
all
> tank style compressor. =A0Really meant for nail guns. =A0But then, most s=
mall
> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on a
> roof.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
(within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
top and all works well.
I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
All done in a minute.
use a pressure pot
most any hvlp ,gun will work that way
"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>$325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3 hp
>220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its possible.
>Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135 PSI.
>Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>
> -Jim
You may find a pot fed system funny,however, I have been spraying for over
40 years and tried it all
air assisted pot fed HVLP is the simplest and best way to go on the cheap
I have a 5 stage turbine accu-spray unit and still use that with a pressure
pot.
one can produce an amazing finish that way
"Jim Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "pot-fed" Funny..! Yea me either, but I still crack and break open a
> small bag of cheese flavored Doritos from time to time..
>
> On 1/7/2010 7:23 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 9:57 am, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Jim Hall"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> I picked up a 4 year old Campbell Hausfield 60 gal compressor today for
>>>> $325 thinking I could use an HVLP gun to spray lacquer with it. It's 3
>>>> hp
>>>> 220 volt 15 amp. After poking around the net I'm not sure its
>>>> possible.
>>>> Sticker says 11.8 SCFM at 40 PSI and 10.3 @ 90 PSI. Max pressure 135
>>>> PSI.
>>>> Anyone know if there's an HVLP gun that will shoot lacquer with a
>>>> compressor like this..? If so any HVLP gun recommendations..? Thanks
>>>
>>>> -Jim
>>>
>>> It'll blow your HVLP gun Jim. You're only going to be delivering
>>> between
>>> 15-25psi to your gun (I deliver 13 to mine), so you'll be fine. The
>>> thing
>>> to remember with compressors is that even small compressors will shoot
>>> guns,
>>> they'll just cycle more frequently. If you tried to use something like
>>> a
>>> DA, which really sucks up the air supply, you might find yourself on the
>>> edge, but even though HVLP wants some delivery capacity, you should be
>>> ok.
>>>
>>> If you were trying to do a big job like an overall on a car, you'd
>>> probably
>>> find yourself wanting more compressor, but for typical woodworking
>>> sprays, I
>>> don't believe you'd find yourself lacking. Even large woodworking
>>> projects
>>> are small compared to the spraying process for autos.
>>>
>>> As for guns, I shoot a Devilbiss FLG. You can pay a lot more for a gun,
>>> but
>>> I just don't think you get enough more to justify the cost. The FLG3
>>> can be
>>> purchased all over the web today in various kit forms, for ~$120-$150.
>>> I
>>> turn out paint jobs on cars, some of which had come from shops as
>>> renowned
>>> as Chip Foose, with an FLG3. Generally, without having to buff the
>>> finish
>>> out - send it out straight out of the gun. Unless of course... those
>>> nasty
>>> dust nibs... or the "occasional" oops (runs, sags...). So - for
>>> woodworking, and any painting needs most of us here are likely to
>>> encounter,
>>> a gun like this is all one would need. For most woodworking needs,
>>> Harbor
>>> Freight sells some pretty good HVLP compressor type guns at cheap
>>> prices.
>>> They're perfectly fine guns for the purpose at hand. I bought a small
>>> gravity feed HVLP for my son to use for woodworking at HF, and I think I
>>> only paid $30 or so for it. Works just fine, and he only has a very
>>> small
>>> tank style compressor. Really meant for nail guns. But then, most
>>> small
>>> project painting is not all that much more of a load than a nail gun on
>>> a
>>> roof.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Mike-
>>> [email protected]
>>
>> I went to a pot-fed systems many years ago and found that it made my
>> spraying a whole lot simpler. I would turn the atomizing air off and
>> set the pot pressure at a few pounds. Then I would regulate the fluid
>> supply needle at the gun so that it would squirt pure fluid in a nice
>> arc (about 3-foot radius) to gravity into a bucket... just a small
>> amount, just enough to see what was coming out. Then I would add the
>> atomizing air to blow apart that stream of fluid and set the fan
>> shape. Simple. repeatable regardless of fluid viscosity variations
>> (within reason of course). The price on small pot-fed units is very
>> low these days and will work with any gun. (I have a gun which once
>> was a gravity fed unit. Now the hose from the pot-feed goes into the
>> top and all works well.
>> I find I also spray rather well when pot-fed. :-} (Not for a few
>> decades now as I can't handle all the Doritos.)
>> All done in a minute.
>