They are offering an organizer for 189.
Just got an email for this:
http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
mount them to.
You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
--
Jeff
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 9:52:18 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> Does anyone store anything in bags in their shop?
Rags. I have a plastic bag of rags hanging on a hook in my shop.
It's a larger-than-grocery-size bag, but with the handles. When
hanging on the hook it's "closed" so the dust stays out.
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 1:40:37 PM UTC-6, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:52:16 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone store anything in bags in their shop? Everything in my shop is in hard sided containers.
>
> Do zip lock bags count? If yes, I have and will continue too.
My first thought was "zip lock bags?", but then I realized I have my new & used tack cloths in a zip lock bag. .... biting my tongue!
Sonny
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:02:36 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2016 11:55 AM, krw wrote:
>>> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
>>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>>>> mount them to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>>>> coals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
>>>>> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
>>>>> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
>>>>> envelope.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>>>> stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
>>>> user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>>>> a purchase.
>>>
>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> There are a few on here that laugh at SS and Festool. Every one sells
>> something that someone does not like.
>
> I don't know any laughing at SS or Festool. May can't justify the
> cost and that's completely understandable. I can't justify HF power
> tools, so...
>
Jack, and remember Larry Jaques and the occasional troll.
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:08:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>
>>> 6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
>>> As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>> mount them to.
>>>>
>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well this is a product that Woodpeckers sells, or wants to sell. Not
>> knowing their actual cost they may have to sell or try to sell at that
>> price to maintain their profit margin.
>
> It's not a good idea to tarnish your reputation selling such things
> because you have to maintain margins. Just don't do it.
>
I'm looking from a different stand point. I already do not care for
Woodpeckers business model so from that stand point adding a brand product
that is way over priced seems par for the course. Basically for me their
reputation was already tarnished.
I do not however think this tarnishes the quality of the tools that they
manufacture. Either way if there is an audience that buys this particular
product they will be making sales, the name of the game.
If Woodpeckers did not have the advantage of being the manufacturer of many
quality tools I would not buy anything from them. 99% of the time i only
go to their site, with out being lured in, to look at the tools that they
manufacture.
On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>>>
>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>
>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>> customers you never would have had.
>
> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
> _much_ worse.
>
I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
ordered though.
On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 7:26:08 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 9:52:18 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> > Does anyone store anything in bags in their shop?
>
> Rags. I have a plastic bag of rags hanging on a hook in my shop.
> It's a larger-than-grocery-size bag, but with the handles. When
> hanging on the hook it's "closed" so the dust stays out.
Makes sense. My rags are in a bucket. So has WoodPeckers created the most expensive rag holder in the world?
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:59:14 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 11/22/2016 2:39 PM, Meanie wrote:
>> On 11/22/2016 1:56 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>> Just got an email for this:
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>
>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>> mount them to.
>>>
>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>
>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to be a fly on the wall in their marketing meetings. I'm sure
>> some will buy it but I can't imagine that quantity will significant.
>
>Which then leads to the question why bother? It's just something that
>makes me dislike the brand more and more. They have a few decent items,
>and a lot of shit.
>
>I would buy Starret before I ever bought many of their measuring tools.
>While Starrett is premium, many times it's cheaper than WP.
Their story boards an Peolini (sp?) rules are really nice. It's
expensive stuff, to be sure, but it is good.
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>
>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>>> customers you never would have had.
>>
>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>> _much_ worse.
>>
>
> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
> ordered though.
>
I don't think that Woodpeckers manufacturers this particular product. The
name on the box is a company that manufacturers this product. I'm guessing
the bag that this company manufactures is probably a good and durable
product in the field. In the shop, way over kill and therefore way over
built and priced.
On 11/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>> Just got an email for this:
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
> 6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
> As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>
>
>>
>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>> mount them to.
>>
>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>
>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>>
>
>
Well this is a product that Woodpeckers sells, or wants to sell. Not
knowing their actual cost they may have to sell or try to sell at that
price to maintain their profit margin.
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>>
>>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>>>> customers you never would have had.
>>>
>>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>>> _much_ worse.
>>>
>>
>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>> ordered though.
>
> I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
> useful, some are ridiculous.
>
>
Exactly.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:52:16 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Does anyone store anything in bags in their shop? Everything in my shop is in hard sided containers.
Do zip lock bags count? If yes, I have and will continue too.
krw <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>Just got an email for this:
>>http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>
>>It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>mount them to.
>>
>>You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>
>>Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>coals.
>
> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
> envelope.
>
OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
a purchase.
Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 16:20:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:47:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>> >>>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>> >>>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>> >>>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>> >>>>> customers you never would have had.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>> >>>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>> >>>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>> >>>> _much_ worse.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>> >>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>> >>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>> >>> ordered though.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
>> >> useful, some are ridiculous.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Exactly.
>>
>> My point is that the ridiculous ones tarnish the brand. At least the
>> doweling jig was pretty, sorta Bridge City-esque (winch more about art
>> than woodworking), and useful. The bags are both ugly and useless.
>
>I don't think they make sense for a shop, but I wouldn't say that they are "useless".
They're being sold for shop use. "WoodPeckers"
>
>I can see something like that being used by vendors at a crafts show or maybe in an outdoor
>kitchen or similar locations where set-up and tear-down is a on going activity. The loaded bags
>could be stored/transported in bins and hooked to the rail during set-up. e.g. a vendor could
>keep all the items required to run his booth (tools, paperwork, flyers, etc) in the bags for quick
>and easy set-up and tear-down.
I'd think one would want something more organized and not likely to
dump over.
>(Yes, there are other options, but the bags would certainly do the trick.)
krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:ftlb3ch2mkmh0m48rran8ocncqtdusv61o@
4ax.com:
> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>>OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>>stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards.
A
>>user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>>a purchase.
>
> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
customers you never would have had.
Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!
On 11/23/2016 11:55 AM, krw wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>>
>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>> mount them to.
>>>>
>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>> coals.
>>>
>>> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
>>> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
>>> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
>>> envelope.
>>>
>>
>> OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>> stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
>> user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>> a purchase.
>
> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>
There are a few on here that laugh at SS and Festool. Every one sells
something that someone does not like.
Does anyone store anything in bags in their shop? Everything in my shop is=
in hard sided containers. I consider cardboard boxes to be hard sided. T=
he pictures show bolts, screws, Dominoes, dowels in the bags. But all of t=
hese items come in boxes or maybe tubes from the manufacturer. Why would y=
ou take the items out of their hard sided containers and put them into thes=
e soft sided bags? They are easier to store and access in their original h=
ard sided containers.
Besides the extreme cost, the whole concept seems bizarre to me.
On 11/22/2016 1:56 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> They are offering an organizer for 189.
> Just got an email for this:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
> mount them to.
>
> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>
They would make good liners for the coffee cans.
On 11/22/2016 2:39 PM, Meanie wrote:
> On 11/22/2016 1:56 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>> Just got an email for this:
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>
>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>> mount them to.
>>
>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>
>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>>
>
> I'd like to be a fly on the wall in their marketing meetings. I'm sure
> some will buy it but I can't imagine that quantity will significant.
Which then leads to the question why bother? It's just something that
makes me dislike the brand more and more. They have a few decent items,
and a lot of shit.
I would buy Starret before I ever bought many of their measuring tools.
While Starrett is premium, many times it's cheaper than WP.
--
Jeff
On 11/24/2016 9:06 PM, marc rosen wrote:
>>
>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>> ordered though.
>
> Hey Ed, others,
> Many months ago (May, to be more precise)I sent a message to their president Rich Hummel suggesting they make some quick connecting tool holsters or holders for the Festool worktables; Holders that could attach to the inside or outside rails on the tables with a twist lock device. I wanted to call them "Sys-penders"
> Rich sent this reply back:
>
> "Marc,
>
> That's an intriguing idea. I've thought the same thing while using my MFT, at least the idea of being able to hang stuff along the outside track to keep it in easy reach.
>
> We'll discuss it and let you know if it's something we might be able to work on.
>
> Richard Hummel / President"
>
> Well, he never got back to me, I guess Calavera had more influence.
>
>
>
>
Now that there is funny!
On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 1:56:32 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> They are offering an organizer for 189.
> Just got an email for this:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
> mount them to.
>
> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>
> --
> Jeff
You are not being fair.
For $189 you get an extra base bracket so you can transfer the bar to
a different location when desired.
Now we're talking about a real value!
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 19:08:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>> Just got an email for this:
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>
>> 6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
>> As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>> mount them to.
>>>
>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>
>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>>>
>>
>
> >
>
>
>Well this is a product that Woodpeckers sells, or wants to sell. Not
>knowing their actual cost they may have to sell or try to sell at that
>price to maintain their profit margin.
It's not a good idea to tarnish your reputation selling such things
because you have to maintain margins. Just don't do it.
On 11/22/2016 7:15 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 11/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>
>>> 6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
>>> As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>> mount them to.
>>>>
>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>> coals.
>>>>
>>
>> Well this is a product that Woodpeckers sells, or wants to sell. Not
>> knowing their actual cost they may have to sell or try to sell at that
>> price to maintain their profit margin.
>
> Or they could "just say, no thank you" as a way of being respectful to
> their customers...
>
>
Your are assuming that they don't have money to throw away. I certainly
would not buy it but there are customers for "todays" Bridge City Tools
and Audi's.
>=20
> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up=
=20
> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually=20
> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and=20
> ordered though.
Hey Ed, others,
Many months ago (May, to be more precise)I sent a message to their presiden=
t Rich Hummel suggesting they make some quick connecting tool holsters or h=
olders for the Festool worktables; Holders that could attach to the inside=
or outside rails on the tables with a twist lock device. I wanted to call=
them "Sys-penders" =20
Rich sent this reply back:=20
"Marc,
That's an intriguing idea. I've thought the same thing while using my MFT, =
at least the idea of being able to hang stuff along the outside track to ke=
ep it in easy reach.
We'll discuss it and let you know if it's something we might be able to wor=
k on.
Richard Hummel / President"
Well, he never got back to me, I guess Calavera had more influence.
=20
=20
On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:47:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
> >>>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
> >>>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
> >>>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
> >>>>> customers you never would have had.
> >>>>
> >>>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
> >>>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
> >>>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
> >>>> _much_ worse.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
> >>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
> >>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
> >>> ordered though.
> >>
> >> I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
> >> useful, some are ridiculous.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Exactly.
>
> My point is that the ridiculous ones tarnish the brand. At least the
> doweling jig was pretty, sorta Bridge City-esque (winch more about art
> than woodworking), and useful. The bags are both ugly and useless.
I don't think they make sense for a shop, but I wouldn't say that they are "useless".
I can see something like that being used by vendors at a crafts show or maybe in an outdoor
kitchen or similar locations where set-up and tear-down is a on going activity. The loaded bags
could be stored/transported in bins and hooked to the rail during set-up. e.g. a vendor could
keep all the items required to run his booth (tools, paperwork, flyers, etc) in the bags for quick
and easy set-up and tear-down.
(Yes, there are other options, but the bags would certainly do the trick.)
On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>Just got an email for this:
>>>http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>
>>>It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>mount them to.
>>>
>>>You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>
>>>Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>coals.
>>
>> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
>> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
>> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
>> envelope.
>>
>
>OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
>user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>a purchase.
All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:47:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>>>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>>>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>>>>> customers you never would have had.
>>>>
>>>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>>>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>>>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>>>> _much_ worse.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>>> ordered though.
>>
>> I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
>> useful, some are ridiculous.
>>
>>
>
>Exactly.
My point is that the ridiculous ones tarnish the brand. At least the
doweling jig was pretty, sorta Bridge City-esque (winch more about art
than woodworking), and useful. The bags are both ugly and useless.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:02:36 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 11/23/2016 11:55 AM, krw wrote:
>> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>>> mount them to.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>>> coals.
>>>>
>>>> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
>>>> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
>>>> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
>>>> envelope.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>>> stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
>>> user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>>> a purchase.
>>
>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>
>
>
>There are a few on here that laugh at SS and Festool. Every one sells
>something that someone does not like.
I don't know any laughing at SS or Festool. May can't justify the
cost and that's completely understandable. I can't justify HF power
tools, so...
On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>They are offering an organizer for 189.
>Just got an email for this:
>http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
>It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>mount them to.
>
>You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
>Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
$600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
envelope.
On 24 Nov 2016 04:28:24 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote in news:ftlb3ch2mkmh0m48rran8ocncqtdusv61o@
>4ax.com:
>
>> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>>>stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards.
>A
>>>user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>>>a purchase.
>>
>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>
>No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>customers you never would have had.
An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
_much_ worse.
On 11/22/2016 1:56 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> They are offering an organizer for 189.
> Just got an email for this:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
> mount them to.
>
> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>
I'd like to be a fly on the wall in their marketing meetings. I'm sure
some will buy it but I can't imagine that quantity will significant.
woodchucker wrote:
> They are offering an organizer for 189.
> Just got an email for this:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>
> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
> mount them to.
>
> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I, er, get my, er, (appropriatly sized) draw-er-string storage bags, foyer
> free, every, er, time I buyer my Crown Royal.
>
> Sonny
Lots of draw string bags around here from the wife's shoe collection.
Oh... :O you didn't know about those? ;)
Leon wrote:
> On 11/22/2016 2:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>> Just got an email for this:
>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>
>> 6 bags for $118... wow, such a deal! : )
>> As someone else mentioned, they are tarnishing their brand...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>> mount them to.
>>>
>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>
>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>> coals.
>>>
>
> Well this is a product that Woodpeckers sells, or wants to sell. Not
> knowing their actual cost they may have to sell or try to sell at that
> price to maintain their profit margin.
Or they could "just say, no thank you" as a way of being respectful to
their customers...
On 11/24/16 6:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 2:22:02 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:47:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>>>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>>>>>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>>>>>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>>>>>>> customers you never would have had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>>>>>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>>>>>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>>>>>> _much_ worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>>>>> to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>>>>> thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>>>>> ordered though.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
>>>> useful, some are ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>
>> My point is that the ridiculous ones tarnish the brand. At least the
>> doweling jig was pretty, sorta Bridge City-esque (winch more about art
>> than woodworking), and useful. The bags are both ugly and useless.
>
> I don't think they make sense for a shop, but I wouldn't say that they are "useless".
>
> I can see something like that being used by vendors at a crafts show or maybe in an outdoor
> kitchen or similar locations where set-up and tear-down is a on going activity. The loaded bags
> could be stored/transported in bins and hooked to the rail during set-up. e.g. a vendor could
> keep all the items required to run his booth (tools, paperwork, flyers, etc) in the bags for quick
> and easy set-up and tear-down.
>
> (Yes, there are other options, but the bags would certainly do the trick.)
>
When I got the email from Woodpeckers, I immediately thought of several
practical purposes for those bags that I would use on, probably, a
weekly basis.
Then I looked at the price. :-)
IIRC, I saw similar bags with clips at HD for much, much less.
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:47:01 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 12:02:36 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 11:55 AM, krw wrote:
>>>> On 23 Nov 2016 05:04:28 GMT, Puckdropper
>>>> <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:56:24 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are offering an organizer for 189.
>>>>>>> Just got an email for this:
>>>>>>> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
>>>>>>> mount them to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
>>>>>>> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the
>>>>>>> coals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saw that today. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen them do. The
>>>>>> $600 doweling jig was at least pretty. I like a lot of their stuff
>>>>>> but it seems they're now trying to see how far they can push the
>>>>>> envelope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, having a somewhat crazy or ridiculous thing to sell does get your
>>>>> stuff and site talked about on the various forums and message boards. A
>>>>> user might just look around a bit and find something they want and make
>>>>> a purchase.
>>>>
>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a few on here that laugh at SS and Festool. Every one sells
>>> something that someone does not like.
>>
>> I don't know any laughing at SS or Festool. May can't justify the
^n
>> cost and that's completely understandable. I can't justify HF power
>> tools, so...
>>
>
>Jack, and remember Larry Jaques and the occasional troll.
You had to remind me?
His sockpuppets make all sorts of animal noises but do you really read
his posts for anything other than as a comic relief?
(I've probably gained a new fanboi with this post)
On 11/22/2016 12:56 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> They are offering an organizer for 189.
> Just got an email for this:
> http://www.woodpeck.com/calavera_5lb_bag_system.html
>
> It's basically 5 off the shelf chalk bags (for climbers) and a bar to
> mount them to.
>
> You can get a chalk bag for 7.25 individually. So 5 are 36.25, a bar
> like they are providing is about $5 in parts if you make it yourself.
>
> Let's pay a premium for the name.. yea... lets get raked over the coals.
>
It did not even look like anything I would ever use....
On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 09:16:29 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/23/2016 11:39 PM, krw wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> All exposure is good? OK, if you say so but I wouldn't want customers
>>>> laughing at my products. Someone might hear them.
>>>
>>> No, but sometimes a crazy or ridiculous thing does more good than harm.
>>> If you're nothing but a joke you'll be treated that way, but if you've
>>> got a solid core you may find the ridiculous side actually nets you
>>> customers you never would have had.
>>
>> An April 1st joke is one thing. A *totally* useless, expensive POS
>> doesn't do the reputation any good. As I said, I really like their
>> tools but a friend and I laughed a lot at the doweling jig. This is
>> _much_ worse.
>>
>
>I have to wonder how it got authorized to spend the money to even set up
>to make and sell them. It had to be someone high up that actually
>thought it was a great idea. I bet at least a few people saw it and
>ordered though.
I'm sure there are people who order every "One Time Tool". Some are
useful, some are ridiculous.