Hey Guys:
Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
all of the posts I've sent.
Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird message...
"An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an incorrect
greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0
(20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to the
group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder, and
do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why Thunderbird
is even concerned for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
- only usenet.
Any help will be appreciated.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 6:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Don't understand why Thunderbird is even concerned
> for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
> - only usenet.
>
I use Thunderbird for my mail server. You just have to set up a mail
account. Go to Tools > Account Settings. This opens a dialog box, at
the bottom left is a button marked Account Actions. Click on the option
for "Add Mail Account" and away you go.
On 1/9/2016 8:24 AM, Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Hey Guys:
>>
>> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
>> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
>> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
>> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader. First is
>> the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new topic,
>> and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
>> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
>> all of the posts I've sent.
>
> Just in case it might be this easy, make sure "View--> Threads---> All"
> is selected. I use a "cousin" of Thunderbird.
>
Thanks Bill - it is indeed set to "All".
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 7:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
>
> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
>
Go to "View Settings for this Account", Select "Copies & Folders" and
ensure that Place Copies is checked and the folder "Sent" is designated.
I THINK this is a default setting but I also use Thunderbird for both
email and newsgroup postings and I can always see my replies and
original posts in the Sent Folder.
Just for giggles, I turned off the Place Copies for this response to see
what happens here.
> Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird
> message...
>
> "An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an incorrect
> greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0
> (20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
If your post is making it out, it seems likely that this is a component
of eternal september that's hiccuping and you may need to tweak a
setting. Can't offer anything other than that guess. Sorry.
>
> That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
> Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to the
> group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
> Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder, and
> do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why Thunderbird
> is even concerned for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
> - only usenet.
Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever require
the use of your SMTP server
On 1/9/2016 9:18 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
>>
> I'm not sure about how you are posting, but I use
> news.eternal-september.org and the posts to that go by way of email. I
> have
> to be logged into my mail server to send a post.
>
> Bill
I use eternal-september as well. Your posts should be going through a
news server (nntp), not an email server. Two different animals. I had
Outlook Express configured this same way on the old computer with no
problems.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 7:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
>
> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
>
> Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird
> message...
>
> "An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an incorrect
> greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0
> (20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
>
> That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
> Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to the
> group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
> Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder, and
> do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why Thunderbird
> is even concerned for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
> - only usenet.
Playing around with this a bit I think your "problem" (both of them) lie
with Eternal September or your set up for responding/posting.
First off. Can you post an original post or start a thread WITHOUT any
error message? If so, does that post show up in your sent file?
If that is the case and you only get the error message cited above when
you reply to a post (and your message fails to appear in your sent
folder), your problem lies with either Eternal September or your send
setup (which is causing the error message)
What happens, I think, is that error message (you can call it a faulty
error message if you want since your replies are actually going out) is
telling Thunderbird that the message failed. If a email or post is not
acknowledged as successful, it will never show up in the Sent folder.
All I can suggest at this point without eyes on your settings is to
verify that you have entered the correct settings for eternal september
and the correct SMTP settings in Tbird for sending. Again, I think
eternal september has a fart stuck crosswise somewhere if you can
originate a post without complaint.
On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever require
> the use of your SMTP server
>
>
>
That's not really true. I've never had an email server configured in my
newsreader. You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and a
port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 9:00 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> I have used Thunderbird as my newsreader since Netscape. It has served
[snip]
> All of my Sent messages and replies to the Newsgroups ends up in the
> Sent folder of the Local account. If you can not find them in your
> normal sent folder look in there. I find this nice as it segregates
> the newsgroup Sends from the other Sends.
>
> (I have never found a setting to change this)
Keith,
See my earlier post to Mike's problem. Go to "Copies & Folders" in the
settings for your usenet account in Tbird. You can select any folder
you wish and Tbird will place your sent messages there. Local Folder is
merely the default.
On 1/9/2016 10:05 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
> Playing around with this a bit I think your "problem" (both of them) lie
> with Eternal September or your set up for responding/posting.
>
> First off. Can you post an original post or start a thread WITHOUT any
> error message? If so, does that post show up in your sent file?
Yes, and yes - I stated this in my original post but you may not have
noticed it.
>
> If that is the case and you only get the error message cited above when
> you reply to a post (and your message fails to appear in your sent
> folder), your problem lies with either Eternal September or your send
> setup (which is causing the error message)
>
> What happens, I think, is that error message (you can call it a faulty
> error message if you want since your replies are actually going out) is
> telling Thunderbird that the message failed. If a email or post is not
> acknowledged as successful, it will never show up in the Sent folder.
>
> All I can suggest at this point without eyes on your settings is to
> verify that you have entered the correct settings for eternal september
> and the correct SMTP settings in Tbird for sending. Again, I think
> eternal september has a fart stuck crosswise somewhere if you can
> originate a post without complaint.
>
>
>
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 10:00 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
> I like to see only unread messages in the incoming messages, but set the
> Sent folders to show all of the messages.
>
>
That's how I normally set mine up as well.
>>
>> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
>> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
>> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
>> all of the posts I've sent.
>
> All of my Sent messages and replies to the Newsgroups ends up in the
> Sent folder of the Local account. If you can not find them in your
> normal sent folder look in there. I find this nice as it segregates
> the newsgroup Sends from the other Sends.
>
I believe that's what I have going on. As I say - messages I originate
show up there, and it's identified under Local Folders in the left hand
plane.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 9:07 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>>
>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever require
>> the use of your SMTP server
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's not really true. I've never had an email server configured in my
> newsreader. You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
> in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and a
> port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
If you haven't tried setting up your responses/posts in Thunderbird
utilizing your email SMTP, please try it and see what happens.
On 1/9/2016 11:05 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 7:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Hey Guys:
>>
>> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
>> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
>> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
>> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
>
>
> You will have a separate sent folder for every e-mail account and in
> your Local Folders. Are you looking everywhere for all of the sent
> folders? My news.giganews.com messages are located under Local
> Folders/sent.
>
>
>
'Preciate it Leon, but I'm not using Thunderbird for email - just for
newsgroups, therefore the Local Folders file is the only file I have to
worry about. Figured it out this morning, based on some of the comments
from other guys in the group that got me looking (again...) at
configuration options.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 2:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>
>> That's not really true.
>
> It's not true at all. The only way to post to Usenet thru a
> mailserver is to use a mail-to-news gateway(*). There are a few
> of those around (that's where some of the ridiculous responses
> to decades old posts come from) but they're not common. Generally
> they destroy any semblance of threading in the process. All
> proper posts go to port 119 on the NNTP server.
>
> The only thing Eternal-September does by email is to send your
> registration confirmation.
>
>> You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
>> in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and
>> a port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
>
> That's exactly correct.
>
> The error message you were getting suggests Thunderbird thought
> it was talking to a mail server. Or, more likely, it's just a
> generic error message that was wrongly used.
>
> John
>
> (* moderated groups are an exception, since you can, altho you
> should not, email directly to the moderation relay).
>
Thanks John - Once I saw all of the comments about SMTP settings, I was
not looking forward to the inevitable discussion about the differences
between SMTP and NNTP.
That said - I had replied to one of my own posts in which I declared the
problem to have been fixed. Well - not so much. I did successfully
reply to a posted message with no errors, and it did show up in my Sent
folder, but then I went out to the garage to work on my miter saw stand
for a couple of hours, came back in and tried to reply to another post -
with the original error message appearing again - though that post does
now appear in my Sent folder. (I'm pretty sure - can't remember if I
replied to more than one post earlier and earlier was too long ago for
this memory...). For a certainty, a reply I posted to some guy named
Leon, does appear in my Sent folder, so at some point, something got
better. Still maybe not out of the woods yet though. I'm going to be
interested to see what happens with this reply...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 4:42 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 5:39 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On 1/9/2016 2:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>>>
>>>> That's not really true.
[snip]
>> That said - I had replied to one of my own posts in which I declared the
>> problem to have been fixed. Well - not so much. I did successfully
>> reply to a posted message with no errors, and it did show up in my Sent
>> folder, but then I went out to the garage to work on my miter saw stand
>> for a couple of hours, came back in and tried to reply to another post -
>> with the original error message appearing again - though that post does
>> now appear in my Sent folder. (I'm pretty sure - can't remember if I
>> replied to more than one post earlier and earlier was too long ago for
>> this memory...). For a certainty, a reply I posted to some guy named
>> Leon, does appear in my Sent folder, so at some point, something got
>> better. Still maybe not out of the woods yet though. I'm going to be
>> interested to see what happens with this reply...
>>
>>
>
> Nope - still the same "Greeting" error, and no post to Saved. Mistake
> earlier - it appears my reply to this guy named Leon was a reply to him,
> and not a Reply All to the newsgroup. Interesting that it should show
> up in my Saved folder since a Reply should have failed with no email
> configuration.
And my apologies for unintentionally attempting to lead you astray
earlier with references to the email configuration. That brain fart was
due to having used X-NEWS as an email reader on another computer and,
IIRC, it "forced" me to configure the email settings in addition to the
NNTP settings for some reason. After John's beat down<g> I delved into
it further with Tbird and found that the SMTP setting is required ONLY
to reply individually to a poster (still don't know how you replied to
Leon without it but that's a problem for another day<g>). I rigged up a
dummy SMTP account, assigned it to the Astraweb account in Tbird and was
able to post replies to the group with no problem.
On 1/9/2016 6:12 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 4:42 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On 1/9/2016 5:39 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> On 1/9/2016 2:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>>>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>>>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>>>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not really true.
>
> [snip]
>
>
>>> That said - I had replied to one of my own posts in which I declared the
>>> problem to have been fixed. Well - not so much. I did successfully
>>> reply to a posted message with no errors, and it did show up in my Sent
>>> folder, but then I went out to the garage to work on my miter saw stand
>>> for a couple of hours, came back in and tried to reply to another post -
>>> with the original error message appearing again - though that post does
>>> now appear in my Sent folder. (I'm pretty sure - can't remember if I
>>> replied to more than one post earlier and earlier was too long ago for
>>> this memory...). For a certainty, a reply I posted to some guy named
>>> Leon, does appear in my Sent folder, so at some point, something got
>>> better. Still maybe not out of the woods yet though. I'm going to be
>>> interested to see what happens with this reply...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nope - still the same "Greeting" error, and no post to Saved. Mistake
>> earlier - it appears my reply to this guy named Leon was a reply to him,
>> and not a Reply All to the newsgroup. Interesting that it should show
>> up in my Saved folder since a Reply should have failed with no email
>> configuration.
>
> And my apologies for unintentionally attempting to lead you astray
> earlier with references to the email configuration. That brain fart was
> due to having used X-NEWS as an email reader on another computer and,
> IIRC, it "forced" me to configure the email settings in addition to the
> NNTP settings for some reason. After John's beat down<g> I delved into
> it further with Tbird and found that the SMTP setting is required ONLY
> to reply individually to a poster (still don't know how you replied to
> Leon without it but that's a problem for another day<g>). I rigged up a
> dummy SMTP account, assigned it to the Astraweb account in Tbird and was
> able to post replies to the group with no problem.
>
Thanks for the follow up. I've logged the same question with Mozilla
Support, so we'll see what comes of that. I have to say - this really
confuses me and I have no small amount of experience in this stuff.
Isn't it supposed to get easier?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 6:50 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 6:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> >
>> Don't understand why Thunderbird is even concerned
> > for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
>> - only usenet.
>>
> I use Thunderbird for my mail server. You just have to set up a mail
> account. Go to Tools > Account Settings. This opens a dialog box, at
> the bottom left is a button marked Account Actions. Click on the option
> for "Add Mail Account" and away you go.
Yes - I understand that well, but I do not and I do not want to use
Thunderbird as my email client. As I stated in a previous post, I use
Outlook for my email client. Email should have absolutely nothing to do
with a netnews server. They are two totally different animals.
At some point, I'll get to the bottom of this and I'll post the results
in the hope it helps someone else, but for now, all of the suggestions
relating to email are just not relevant. This is a usenet issue, not an
email issue - they are two different things.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/10/2016 9:35 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
> I have to log into my email account before I can post to
> eternal-september. My email account is on an NNTP server.
>
Are you absolutely certain your email is on an NNTP server Bill? That
does not sound right at all. Email and netnews are two different
protocols that function differently.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/10/2016 2:11 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
> That's what I thought as well, Bill. Try this in Thunderbird. Go to
> your account settings for the newsreader account. Where you have a SMTP
> selected, go in, create a new, fictitious SMTP entry, i.e.
> SMTP.BOZOBOY.COM with a phony username like, Toothfairy. Set that as
> your SMTP for newsreader.
>
> Now, since you KNOW that that SMTP doesn't exist, post something to a
> newsgroup. Assuming your NNTP settings are correct, it will go through
> without a problem. Next try posting a reply to BOTH the group and the
> original poster. You will get a warning message that the reply to the
> group went through but Thunderbird will be asking for your email
> credentials for the private response to the OP.
>
> The only way - and this is a guess - that you might be using your email
> creds to access the newsgroup is if your email provider is one of those
> few, if any, services that provided free access to the usenet. AFAIK,
> there are not any of those left and haven't been for a number of years.
>
>
>
So, this reply is an attempt to validate a couple of things.
Interestingly, I had earlier changed another parameter within
Thunderbird. By default, it had an SMTP server configured as a default
- but with no parameters for that server. It simply said to use SMTP
server as a default. I changed that to the eternal-september netnews
server. Was waiting for a good reason to reply to a post to see if that
makes any difference.
Quite by accident I discovered yesterday that a reply to an individual
poster did not generate the error I originally reported. I'm not sure
if Leon really received that reply, but I did not get the error and that
reply does show up in my Sent folder. This particular reply is going
back to the group via the Reply All function.
As to your closing comment about ISP's providing usenet access - mine
still does but it's very unreliable. That's why I use
eternal-september. My provider is Windstream and that's actually where
I get my binaries feed from - which is limited to just the woodworking
binaries group. Since the amount of posting to that group is so
minimal, it does not bother me that Windstream's usenet service is so up
and down.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/10/2016 8:35 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 9:02 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On 1/9/2016 9:18 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I'm not sure about how you are posting, but I use
>>> news.eternal-september.org and the posts to that go by way of email. I
>>> have
>>> to be logged into my mail server to send a post.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> I use eternal-september as well. Your posts should be going through a
>> news server (nntp), not an email server. Two different animals. I had
>> Outlook Express configured this same way on the old computer with no
>> problems.
>>
> I have to log into my email account before I can post to
> eternal-september. My email account is on an NNTP server.
That's what I thought as well, Bill. Try this in Thunderbird. Go to
your account settings for the newsreader account. Where you have a SMTP
selected, go in, create a new, fictitious SMTP entry, i.e.
SMTP.BOZOBOY.COM with a phony username like, Toothfairy. Set that as
your SMTP for newsreader.
Now, since you KNOW that that SMTP doesn't exist, post something to a
newsgroup. Assuming your NNTP settings are correct, it will go through
without a problem. Next try posting a reply to BOTH the group and the
original poster. You will get a warning message that the reply to the
group went through but Thunderbird will be asking for your email
credentials for the private response to the OP.
The only way - and this is a guess - that you might be using your email
creds to access the newsgroup is if your email provider is one of those
few, if any, services that provided free access to the usenet. AFAIK,
there are not any of those left and haven't been for a number of years.
On 1/10/2016 1:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/10/2016 2:11 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>>
>> That's what I thought as well, Bill. Try this in Thunderbird. Go to
>> your account settings for the newsreader account. Where you have a SMTP
>> selected, go in, create a new, fictitious SMTP entry, i.e.
>> SMTP.BOZOBOY.COM with a phony username like, Toothfairy. Set that as
>> your SMTP for newsreader.
>>
>> Now, since you KNOW that that SMTP doesn't exist, post something to a
>> newsgroup. Assuming your NNTP settings are correct, it will go through
>> without a problem. Next try posting a reply to BOTH the group and the
>> original poster. You will get a warning message that the reply to the
>> group went through but Thunderbird will be asking for your email
>> credentials for the private response to the OP.
>>
>> The only way - and this is a guess - that you might be using your email
>> creds to access the newsgroup is if your email provider is one of those
>> few, if any, services that provided free access to the usenet. AFAIK,
>> there are not any of those left and haven't been for a number of years.
>>
>>
>>
>
> So, this reply is an attempt to validate a couple of things.
> Interestingly, I had earlier changed another parameter within
> Thunderbird. By default, it had an SMTP server configured as a default
> - but with no parameters for that server. It simply said to use SMTP
> server as a default. I changed that to the eternal-september netnews
> server. Was waiting for a good reason to reply to a post to see if that
> makes any difference.
>
Try replying direct to me using that setup and see what happens. My bet
is that without a good SMTP it will not go through. (CTRL-U will get you
the headers and my true email address is shown there)
As I said above, putting a phony SMTP into the account setup did not
affect my ability to read/post on the newsgroups UNLESS I also selected
to send a copy of my response to the OP direct. That called the SMTP
into play and obviously generated an error.
> Quite by accident I discovered yesterday that a reply to an individual
> poster did not generate the error I originally reported. I'm not sure
> if Leon really received that reply, but I did not get the error and that
> reply does show up in my Sent folder. This particular reply is going
> back to the group via the Reply All function.
That's still weird. It seems to me though - based on the few instances
where I've had difficulty getting something "out" from here - that if
there is any error message generated then Tbird assumes that NOTHING
made it out and doesn't show a message as sent, even if it did go out or
get out to the newsgroup or an individual addressee.
>
> As to your closing comment about ISP's providing usenet access - mine
> still does but it's very unreliable. That's why I use
> eternal-september. My provider is Windstream and that's actually where
> I get my binaries feed from - which is limited to just the woodworking
> binaries group. Since the amount of posting to that group is so
> minimal, it does not bother me that Windstream's usenet service is so up
> and down.
I think the last one (ISP) I had that included news feed was
ameritech.net and it was pretty poor at the end. Gotta be what? 6
years since they scratched it?
Currently using Astraweb and very happy with it. You can purchase a
25GB block of D/L for $10. I use it fairly heavily with a lot of ebooks
downloaded, etc. and last I looked/calculated, that 25GB is going to
last me damn near a year. Contrast that with what the others are
getting and the $2.95/mo I was paying the former usenetmonster before
they sold out. Astraweb has great retention and allows me multiple
connections which works nice with binsearch.info which I frequently use
to download books, etc.
>
On 1/11/2016 5:33 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/10/2016 4:02 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Try replying direct to me using that setup and see what happens. My bet
>> is that without a good SMTP it will not go through. (CTRL-U will get you
>> the headers and my true email address is shown there)
>>
[snip]
>
> Here's the reply. My current configuration for outgoing server is
> news.eternal-september.org
Okay, I received this response via the rec.woodworking newsgroup ONLY.
Nothing from you appeared in my email as it should have.
OTOH, you should receive this both publicly (newsgroup) and privately
(email)
On 1/11/2016 8:46 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 1/11/2016 5:33 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On 1/10/2016 4:02 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Try replying direct to me using that setup and see what happens. My bet
>>> is that without a good SMTP it will not go through. (CTRL-U will get you
>>> the headers and my true email address is shown there)
>>>
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Here's the reply. My current configuration for outgoing server is
>> news.eternal-september.org
>
>
> Okay, I received this response via the rec.woodworking newsgroup ONLY.
>
> Nothing from you appeared in my email as it should have.
>
> OTOH, you should receive this both publicly (newsgroup) and privately
> (email)
Makes sense given the outgoing server I now have configured. I did not
get the error message when I sent that reply, and it did post to my Sent
folder as hoped for. This reply is a Reply All so it will be
interesting to see what the behavior is.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 9:08 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> See my earlier post to Mike's problem. Go to "Copies & Folders" in the
> settings for your usenet account in Tbird. You can select any folder
> you wish and Tbird will place your sent messages there. Local Folder is
> merely the default.
Yep.
This is what I've been doing for years with TB.
I have a sub folder under Local Folder called "Rec_Posts", and a copy of
all of my originals and replies go into there when sent.
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http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>
>> That's not really true.
>
>It's not true at all. The only way to post to Usenet thru a
>mailserver is to use a mail-to-news gateway(*). There are a few
>of those around (that's where some of the ridiculous responses
>to decades old posts come from) but they're not common. Generally
>they destroy any semblance of threading in the process. All
>proper posts go to port 119 on the NNTP server.
Or port(s) 563, 443, 80 depending on what your NSP supports.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 1/9/2016 9:02 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> > On 1/9/2016 9:18 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure about how you are posting, but I use
> >> news.eternal-september.org and the posts to that go by way of email. I
> >> have
> >> to be logged into my mail server to send a post.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >
> > I use eternal-september as well. Your posts should be going through a
> > news server (nntp), not an email server. Two different animals. I had
> > Outlook Express configured this same way on the old computer with no
> > problems.
> >
> I have to log into my email account before I can post to
> eternal-september. My email account is on an NNTP server.
>
> Bill
No, it isn't. NNTP is not a mail protocol.
On 1/9/2016 9:08 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 9:00 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
>> I have used Thunderbird as my newsreader since Netscape. It has served
>
>
> [snip]
>
>> All of my Sent messages and replies to the Newsgroups ends up in the
>> Sent folder of the Local account. If you can not find them in your
>> normal sent folder look in there. I find this nice as it segregates
>> the newsgroup Sends from the other Sends.
>>
>> (I have never found a setting to change this)
>
> Keith,
>
> See my earlier post to Mike's problem. Go to "Copies & Folders" in the
> settings for your usenet account in Tbird. You can select any folder
> you wish and Tbird will place your sent messages there. Local Folder is
> merely the default.
>
>
>
Yes and probably the reason to begin the search there, the default
folder. ;~)
On 1/9/2016 7:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
You will have a separate sent folder for every e-mail account and in
your Local Folders. Are you looking everywhere for all of the sent
folders? My news.giganews.com messages are located under Local
Folders/sent.
On 1/9/2016 8:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
>
> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
>
> Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird
> message...
>
> "An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an incorrect
> greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0
> (20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
>
> That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
> Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to the
> group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
> Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder, and
> do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why Thunderbird
> is even concerned for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
> - only usenet.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
I use tbird for mail and news. My news posts don't go to the sent
folder. Never have.
My sent contains everything I respond with.
So if your question is strictly about news I'm not sure.
If its mail let me know.
--
Jeff
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>>
>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>> require the use of your SMTP server
>
> That's not really true.
It's not true at all. The only way to post to Usenet thru a
mailserver is to use a mail-to-news gateway(*). There are a few
of those around (that's where some of the ridiculous responses
to decades old posts come from) but they're not common. Generally
they destroy any semblance of threading in the process. All
proper posts go to port 119 on the NNTP server.
The only thing Eternal-September does by email is to send your
registration confirmation.
> You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
> in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and
> a port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
That's exactly correct.
The error message you were getting suggests Thunderbird thought
it was talking to a mail server. Or, more likely, it's just a
generic error message that was wrongly used.
John
(* moderated groups are an exception, since you can, altho you
should not, email directly to the moderation relay).
On 1/11/2016 5:33 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/10/2016 4:02 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Try replying direct to me using that setup and see what happens. My bet
>> is that without a good SMTP it will not go through. (CTRL-U will get you
>> the headers and my true email address is shown there)
>>
>> As I said above, putting a phony SMTP into the account setup did not
>> affect my ability to read/post on the newsgroups UNLESS I also selected
>> to send a copy of my response to the OP direct. That called the SMTP
>> into play and obviously generated an error.
>>
>>> Quite by accident I discovered yesterday that a reply to an individual
>>> poster did not generate the error I originally reported. I'm not sure
>>> if Leon really received that reply, but I did not get the error and that
>>> reply does show up in my Sent folder. This particular reply is going
>>> back to the group via the Reply All function.
>>
>> That's still weird. It seems to me though - based on the few instances
>> where I've had difficulty getting something "out" from here - that if
>> there is any error message generated then Tbird assumes that NOTHING
>> made it out and doesn't show a message as sent, even if it did go out or
>> get out to the newsgroup or an individual addressee.
>>
>
>>
>> I think the last one (ISP) I had that included news feed was
>> ameritech.net and it was pretty poor at the end. Gotta be what? 6
>> years since they scratched it?
>>
>> Currently using Astraweb and very happy with it. You can purchase a
>> 25GB block of D/L for $10. I use it fairly heavily with a lot of ebooks
>> downloaded, etc. and last I looked/calculated, that 25GB is going to
>> last me damn near a year. Contrast that with what the others are
>> getting and the $2.95/mo I was paying the former usenetmonster before
>> they sold out. Astraweb has great retention and allows me multiple
>> connections which works nice with binsearch.info which I frequently use
>> to download books, etc.
>>>
>>
>
> Here's the reply. My current configuration for outgoing server is
> news.eternal-september.org
Check out Newsleecher at http://newsleecher.com/
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader. First is
> the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new topic,
> and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
Just in case it might be this easy, make sure "View--> Threads---> All"
is selected. I use a "cousin" of Thunderbird.
Bill
>
> Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird
> message...
>
> "An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an
> incorrect greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP
> server INN 2.7.0 (20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
>
> That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
> Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to
> the group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
> Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder,
> and do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why
> Thunderbird is even concerned for a mail server since it is not
> configured for mail - only usenet.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
On 1/9/2016 7:18 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Hey Guys:
>
> Just switched over to Thunderbird after buying a new Windows 10
> computer. So far, it's largely OK but I've discovered a couple of odd
> things that maybe other users might understand or have conquered
> already. BTW - I only use Thunderbird as a usenet reader.
>
> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
>
> Second, When I do reply to a post I get the following Thunderbird
> message...
>
> "An error occurred while sending mail: The mail server sent an incorrect
> greeting: mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.7.0
> (20151029 snapshot) ready (posting ok)."
>
> That reply will actually post to the group, but as you can see,
> Thunderbird complains of a problem. Even though the reply posts to the
> group, it remains open in Thunderbird and when I force it closed,
> Thunderbird tells me it is not currently saved in my Drafts folder, and
> do I want to save a draft of the post. Don't understand why Thunderbird
> is even concerned for a mail server since it is not configured for mail
> - only usenet.
>
> Any help will be appreciated.
>
I'm not sure about how you are posting, but I use
news.eternal-september.org and the posts to that go by way of email. I have
to be logged into my mail server to send a post.
Bill
I have used Thunderbird as my newsreader since Netscape. It has served
me well.
Follow the comments made in other post.
I like to see only unread messages in the incoming messages, but set the
Sent folders to show all of the messages.
>
> First is the my Sent folder only shows posts that I originate as a new
> topic, and not replies that I make to existing threads in a group. I've
> played with views but so far - no luck in getting that folder to show
> all of the posts I've sent.
All of my Sent messages and replies to the Newsgroups ends up in the
Sent folder of the Local account. If you can not find them in your
normal sent folder look in there. I find this nice as it segregates
the newsgroup Sends from the other Sends.
(I have never found a setting to change this)
Ignore this message - testing Reply All to my own post
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 10:23 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Got it - one fix to both problems. Had to check the box to Always
Request Authorization - which I was completely certain that I had
checked when I initially configured Thunderbird. Gremlins and all that
stuff.
Thanks to those who jumped into this on my behalf.
Just a clarification on the email server thing - I have no email server
configured in Thunderbird. Just the NNTP server. That's all you need
for a newsfeed - unless you're using Thunderbird for your email also. I
use Outlook for my email, so I don't configure an SMTP server in my
newsreader. Email and News are two different guys.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 5:39 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 2:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>>
>>> That's not really true.
>>
>> It's not true at all. The only way to post to Usenet thru a
>> mailserver is to use a mail-to-news gateway(*). There are a few
>> of those around (that's where some of the ridiculous responses
>> to decades old posts come from) but they're not common. Generally
>> they destroy any semblance of threading in the process. All
>> proper posts go to port 119 on the NNTP server.
>>
>> The only thing Eternal-September does by email is to send your
>> registration confirmation.
>>
>>> You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
>>> in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and
>>> a port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
>>
>> That's exactly correct.
>>
>> The error message you were getting suggests Thunderbird thought
>> it was talking to a mail server. Or, more likely, it's just a
>> generic error message that was wrongly used.
>>
>> John
>>
>> (* moderated groups are an exception, since you can, altho you
>> should not, email directly to the moderation relay).
>>
>
> Thanks John - Once I saw all of the comments about SMTP settings, I was
> not looking forward to the inevitable discussion about the differences
> between SMTP and NNTP.
>
> That said - I had replied to one of my own posts in which I declared the
> problem to have been fixed. Well - not so much. I did successfully
> reply to a posted message with no errors, and it did show up in my Sent
> folder, but then I went out to the garage to work on my miter saw stand
> for a couple of hours, came back in and tried to reply to another post -
> with the original error message appearing again - though that post does
> now appear in my Sent folder. (I'm pretty sure - can't remember if I
> replied to more than one post earlier and earlier was too long ago for
> this memory...). For a certainty, a reply I posted to some guy named
> Leon, does appear in my Sent folder, so at some point, something got
> better. Still maybe not out of the woods yet though. I'm going to be
> interested to see what happens with this reply...
>
>
Nope - still the same "Greeting" error, and no post to Saved. Mistake
earlier - it appears my reply to this guy named Leon was a reply to him,
and not a Reply All to the newsgroup. Interesting that it should show
up in my Saved folder since a Reply should have failed with no email
configuration.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 5:42 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 5:39 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> On 1/9/2016 2:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>> Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 1/9/2016 9:50 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because regardless of the usenet provider that you use, if you are
>>>>> accessing it to post, you do use your mail server to do so. Your
>>>>> responses to posts in eternal september, astraweb or whichever
>>>>> require the use of your SMTP server
>>>>
>>>> That's not really true.
>>>
>>> It's not true at all. The only way to post to Usenet thru a
>>> mailserver is to use a mail-to-news gateway(*). There are a few
>>> of those around (that's where some of the ridiculous responses
>>> to decades old posts come from) but they're not common. Generally
>>> they destroy any semblance of threading in the process. All
>>> proper posts go to port 119 on the NNTP server.
>>>
>>> The only thing Eternal-September does by email is to send your
>>> registration confirmation.
>>>
>>>> You configure an nntp server for usenet. That's what I did
>>>> in OE, and it should work in Thunderbird. You specify an address and
>>>> a port number for the nntp server at your provider of choice.
>>>
>>> That's exactly correct.
>>>
>>> The error message you were getting suggests Thunderbird thought
>>> it was talking to a mail server. Or, more likely, it's just a
>>> generic error message that was wrongly used.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> (* moderated groups are an exception, since you can, altho you
>>> should not, email directly to the moderation relay).
>>>
>>
>> Thanks John - Once I saw all of the comments about SMTP settings, I was
>> not looking forward to the inevitable discussion about the differences
>> between SMTP and NNTP.
>>
>> That said - I had replied to one of my own posts in which I declared the
>> problem to have been fixed. Well - not so much. I did successfully
>> reply to a posted message with no errors, and it did show up in my Sent
>> folder, but then I went out to the garage to work on my miter saw stand
>> for a couple of hours, came back in and tried to reply to another post -
>> with the original error message appearing again - though that post does
>> now appear in my Sent folder. (I'm pretty sure - can't remember if I
>> replied to more than one post earlier and earlier was too long ago for
>> this memory...). For a certainty, a reply I posted to some guy named
>> Leon, does appear in my Sent folder, so at some point, something got
>> better. Still maybe not out of the woods yet though. I'm going to be
>> interested to see what happens with this reply...
>>
>>
>
> Nope - still the same "Greeting" error, and no post to Saved. Mistake
> earlier - it appears my reply to this guy named Leon was a reply to him,
> and not a Reply All to the newsgroup. Interesting that it should show
> up in my Saved folder since a Reply should have failed with no email
> configuration.
>
Interesting - my replies to my own posts show up in my Sent folder and
do not generate the "Greeting" error.
How come you guys aren't having these issues? Is it just me? I took a
shower this morning...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/9/2016 9:02 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> On 1/9/2016 9:18 AM, Bill Gill wrote:
>
>>>
>> I'm not sure about how you are posting, but I use
>> news.eternal-september.org and the posts to that go by way of email. I
>> have
>> to be logged into my mail server to send a post.
>>
>> Bill
>
> I use eternal-september as well. Your posts should be going through a
> news server (nntp), not an email server. Two different animals. I had
> Outlook Express configured this same way on the old computer with no
> problems.
>
I have to log into my email account before I can post to
eternal-september. My email account is on an NNTP server.
Bill
On 1/10/2016 4:02 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>
> Try replying direct to me using that setup and see what happens. My bet
> is that without a good SMTP it will not go through. (CTRL-U will get you
> the headers and my true email address is shown there)
>
> As I said above, putting a phony SMTP into the account setup did not
> affect my ability to read/post on the newsgroups UNLESS I also selected
> to send a copy of my response to the OP direct. That called the SMTP
> into play and obviously generated an error.
>
>> Quite by accident I discovered yesterday that a reply to an individual
>> poster did not generate the error I originally reported. I'm not sure
>> if Leon really received that reply, but I did not get the error and that
>> reply does show up in my Sent folder. This particular reply is going
>> back to the group via the Reply All function.
>
> That's still weird. It seems to me though - based on the few instances
> where I've had difficulty getting something "out" from here - that if
> there is any error message generated then Tbird assumes that NOTHING
> made it out and doesn't show a message as sent, even if it did go out or
> get out to the newsgroup or an individual addressee.
>
>
> I think the last one (ISP) I had that included news feed was
> ameritech.net and it was pretty poor at the end. Gotta be what? 6
> years since they scratched it?
>
> Currently using Astraweb and very happy with it. You can purchase a
> 25GB block of D/L for $10. I use it fairly heavily with a lot of ebooks
> downloaded, etc. and last I looked/calculated, that 25GB is going to
> last me damn near a year. Contrast that with what the others are
> getting and the $2.95/mo I was paying the former usenetmonster before
> they sold out. Astraweb has great retention and allows me multiple
> connections which works nice with binsearch.info which I frequently use
> to download books, etc.
>>
>
Here's the reply. My current configuration for outgoing server is
news.eternal-september.org
--
-Mike-
[email protected]