New shop snake part 2

"Paul" wrote:

>> I believe that what is being refered to here is the Mojave Green
>> found in the Mojave desert in Calif. It supposedly is a cross
>> between a Diamond Back and an African Green snake. I have run
>> across a few wandering around in the desert. Looks like a Diamond
>> Back with a greenish tint. They say if you get bit out in the
>> desert, that you won't have time to get anywhere for help.

Sounds like the same snake I was referring to in my earlier post.

If you expect to survive the bite, you have to be lucky enough to be
quick and get to an E/R which has the right serum according to the
local news.

Lew

"Larry Blanchard" wrote:

> I also found it interesting that there is a western variety of coral
> snake. I was taught there was only the one native to Florida and
> southern Georgia. We live and learn. Thanks for the info.
==================================

In the SFWIW category, there is a rattlesnake here in the high desert
country of SoCal that apparently has a unique venom.

Standard anti-venom injections don't work.

As a result, there are a few E/R's in the community that keep more
than one anti-venom in stock.

Lew

"Phisherman" wrote:



> We also have large black
> rat snakes, some 7 feet long, but these are harmless and feast on
> copperheads.

If that is the same black snake I know, they do a better job than a
cat around the barn keeping the rat/mouse population under control.

Lew

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:00:43 -0600, Chris Friesen
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10/07/2009 05:42 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> This Puffy, in Livingstone Zambia, October 1974, if I remeber
>> correctly was just over 5 feet long and almost 3 inches in diameter.
>> He was just inside the shop door when we came back from lunch. The
>> guys were pretty excited, and searched the whole shop after killing it
>> to be sure it didn't have a friend along!!!
>
>I lived upcountry in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo) in the
>late 80s. Had a python eat one of the neighbor's goats. They tracked
>it down while it was still digesting it.
>
>There was also the odd poisonous snake, one time some friends found a
>spitting cobra in the outhouse. Our dog killed a little snake in the
>house one time...didn't think it was poisonous though.
>
>Best part about living there was our pet african grey parrot. They're
>awesome. Stupid expensive in North America though.
>
>Chris
I spent my time in southern Zambia. Also some time in Burkina Faso
(formerly Upper Volta)

On Oct 6, 12:03 pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:


> Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice... I wouldn't want to walk into
> my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.


Actually, I've had good relationships with all the rattlers we've had
here over the years. They've always let me know if I was getting too
close. And with two very outdoorsy cats (and one wuss), there's still
room for the snake(s) here. Tom

On Oct 6, 1:01=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 3:03=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Joe wrote:
> > > "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >> tom wrote:
> > >>> He still sleeps. =A0http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
> > >> A new kind of push stick! =A0:-)
>
> > > Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of=
using
> > > cats for pushsticks....
>
> > > Brought to you by people eating tasty animals
>
> > Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice... =A0I wou=
ldn't want to walk into
> > my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.
>
> > --
> > Free bad advice available here.
> > To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
>
> My Ex is proof that I ain't afraid of much... but snakes you can keep.
> Don't like them.

That's what I like about the Yukon, no snakes or skunks except for
Tory politicians.

Luigi

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:06:19 -0700 (PDT), tom <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Oct 6, 8:48 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>
>> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
>> story!!!!!!
>
>Do not mess with them. Even when they're dead, respect that fang. Tom
My guys beat him to death with a landrover drive shaft and a garbage
can. A bit of excitement for a little while. Then dug a hole and
buried the remains.

On Oct 6, 11:03 am, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
> tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> >He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> Can't tell from the picture. Is that a small diamondback?
> --
> Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

About 2-plus feet. I just gently evicted him out into the sunshine.
The old snake we had around here unfortunately got caught up in a rat
trap kept in another corner. Looks like I'll have to establish a
rapport with the new guy.

On Oct 6, 4:28 pm, Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote:
> Almost-worst case:
>
> http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm
>
> Be careful.
>
> -Zz

Yes. Tom

On Oct 6, 8:48 pm, [email protected] wrote:

>
> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
> story!!!!!!

Do not mess with them. Even when they're dead, respect that fang. Tom

In article
<[email protected]>,
Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's what I like about the Yukon, no snakes or skunks except for
> Tory politicians.

The only poisonous snake we have in the UK is the Adder, rarely fatal
except to the very young or very frail. Also very rarely found.

The skunks here are Labour politicians.

In article <[email protected]>,
Lew Hodgett <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you expect to survive the bite, you have to be lucky enough to be
> quick and get to an E/R which has the right serum according to the
> local news.

Hmm, I'm even gladder I live in the UK.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:48:16 -0400, clare wrote:
> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
> story!!!!!!
Bit of a size exaggeration as a puffy rarely exceeds 1m (3') but a 6" one
is just as capable of causing death or loss of lots of flesh due to its
venom rotting the bite area.
Nice colouring though.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:07:32 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article
><[email protected]>,
> Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's what I like about the Yukon, no snakes or skunks except for
>> Tory politicians.
>
>The only poisonous snake we have in the UK is the Adder, rarely fatal
>except to the very young or very frail. Also very rarely found.
>
>The skunks here are Labour politicians.


We have timber rattlers, water moccasins, pigmy rattler, and
copperhead. Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know
where you are putting your hands and feet. We also have large black
rat snakes, some 7 feet long, but these are harmless and feast on
copperheads.

Almost-worst case:

http://www.rattlesnakebite.org/rattlesnakepics.htm

Be careful.

-Zz

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:17:25 -0500, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:53:16 -0400, clare wrote:
>
>>>The only poisonous snakes in the US are rattlesnakes, copperheads, coral
>>>snakes, and water moccasins. There is a "false" water moccasin that has
>>>no poison, but his mouth is so foul that getting bit is almost like
>>>getting stuck with a pungee stick.
>>>
>>>AFAIK, only the hognose puffs up like a cobra. If you know of another,
>>>let me know. In the meantime, look at:
>>>
>>>http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/ehognos.htm
>>
>>
>> Try Bitis Arietans -
>
>Sorry - I was talking about the US, or at most North America. Are you
>from Africa?
Spent time there.
2 years in Livingstone Zambia, and a shorter time in Burkina Faso.

Greg G. wrote:

... snip
>
> Now if you want to talk about dangerous reptiles:
>
>
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Sb47EtnDgkI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/sBNrbEREzEQ/s1600-h/FCT01a.JPG
>
> Want change you can believe in and a good laugh to boot?
> Turn a pack of these loose in D.C. heh...heh...
>

What ya got against gators? Against a whole city of lawyers they wouldn't
stand a chance.

>
> Greg G.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Swingman wrote:

> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> Phisherman wrote:
>
>>> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know
>>> where you are putting your hands and feet.
>>
>> IIRC, they can only bite at the flaps of skin (between fingers, toes,
>> etc)
>> because they can't open their mouths wide enough to strike other parts of
>> an adult human -- is that correct or am I thinking of a different viper?
>
> Sounds like you are describing a coral snake ... although they don't
> really have to chew on you, they do bite more than strike. Common in
> this part of the country (TX).
>

That's it. Coral snakes were the ones I was thinking of.

>

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Phisherman wrote:

>> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know
>> where you are putting your hands and feet.
>
> IIRC, they can only bite at the flaps of skin (between fingers, toes, etc)
> because they can't open their mouths wide enough to strike other parts of
> an adult human -- is that correct or am I thinking of a different viper?

Sounds like you are describing a coral snake ... although they don't
really have to chew on you, they do bite more than strike. Common in
this part of the country (TX).


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"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> tom wrote:
>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> A new kind of push stick! :-)
>
> --
> Free bad advice available here.
> To reply, eat the taco.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of using
cats for pushsticks....

Brought to you by people eating tasty animals

jc

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:20:28 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

> ... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you
> reach
> into the wrong place at the wrong time.

Rattlesnakes are hemotoxic. Only the coral snake is neurotoxic in the US.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:48:16 -0400, clare wrote:

> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
> story!!!!!!

Not sire what you're calling a puff adder. In Kentucky where I grew up,
a hognose snake was called a puff adder and they're about as harmless as
a snake can get. A lot of country folks were convinced they were
poisonous. They puff up and strike - with their mouth closed! If that
doesn't work, they roll over and play dead. But if you flip them over,
they flip right back - a dead snake is supposed to be on its back :-).

I worked a university exhibit of native snakes at the state fair when a
teenager. When people told me that the hognoses should have been in with
the poisonous snakes, I'd pick one up, force its mouth open, and stick in
a finger. I never got bit. The only problem was that after a couple of
days of being handled, they got so tame they wouldn't roll over anymore.

The only poisonous snakes in the US are rattlesnakes, copperheads, coral
snakes, and water moccasins. There is a "false" water moccasin that has
no poison, but his mouth is so foul that getting bit is almost like
getting stuck with a pungee stick.

AFAIK, only the hognose puffs up like a cobra. If you know of another,
let me know. In the meantime, look at:

http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/ehognos.htm

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

One of the aggressive snakes - along with the Timber Rattlesnake A large size
one. Normally it takes only one lunge to kill.

Martin

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> A copperhead is a pit viper, same family as rattlesnakes and cottonmouths,
>> but different genus. They can put a fang into any part of you, and like
>> all
>> pit vipers have long retractile fangs that can go through quite a bit of
>> clothing. Here's a copperhead yawning, but with fangs retracted
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304433@N00/459385883/. Here's one with
>> fangs
>> out--note the sheath around the fangs that slides back as the fangs go in
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11051247@N08/3842903770/. Here's a
>> copperhead
>> skull--you can see the fangs more clearly
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/malodora/3048537228/.
>
> Beautiful photos... Thanks for sharing.
>
> All my life, I've loved snakes and even owned over 100 at one point, but
> since marrying a woman with a death-fear of MICE and RATS it's hard to own
> anything that's really any fun any more.

> A copperhead is a pit viper, same family as rattlesnakes and cottonmouths,
> but different genus. They can put a fang into any part of you, and like
> all
> pit vipers have long retractile fangs that can go through quite a bit of
> clothing. Here's a copperhead yawning, but with fangs retracted
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304433@N00/459385883/. Here's one with
> fangs
> out--note the sheath around the fangs that slides back as the fangs go in
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/11051247@N08/3842903770/. Here's a
> copperhead
> skull--you can see the fangs more clearly
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/malodora/3048537228/.

Beautiful photos... Thanks for sharing.

All my life, I've loved snakes and even owned over 100 at one point, but
since marrying a woman with a death-fear of MICE and RATS it's hard to own
anything that's really any fun any more.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
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-MIKE- wrote:

> tom wrote:
>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> Guess he'll take care of the mice. :-)
>

So does this:
<http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=15855>

plus this:
<http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=109758>

... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you reach
into the wrong place at the wrong time.

>

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:07:41 -0500, Phisherman wrote:

> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know where you are
> putting your hands and feet.

We found one in the school yard in grade school. Didn't know it was
dangerous so we picked it up and played with it till recess was over.
Took it in the classroom and teacher had a fit. We took it back out and
turned it loose :-).

We either got one that was very mild mannered or they are reluctant to
bite.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

-MIKE- wrote:

> Mark & Juanita wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>> tom wrote:
>>>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>>> Guess he'll take care of the mice. :-)
>>>
>>
>> So does this:
>>
<http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=15855>
>>
>> plus this:
>>
<http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=109758>
>>
>> ... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you
>> reach
>> into the wrong place at the wrong time.
>>
>
> Yeah, but you can't give those a cute little name and get attached to
> them.

Not that I'd give a rattler a cute little name and get attached to it
either. Unless of course, "Seven pieces" counts as a cute name

>
>

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Larry Blanchard wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:20:28 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>> ... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you
>> reach
>> into the wrong place at the wrong time.
>
> Rattlesnakes are hemotoxic. Only the coral snake is neurotoxic in the US.
>

According to this, we are both right:
<http://wc.pima.edu/~bfiero/tucsonecology/animals/venom.htm>

"... rattlesnakes often have both hemolytic and neurotoxic elements in their
venom"

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:53:16 -0400, clare wrote:

>>The only poisonous snakes in the US are rattlesnakes, copperheads, coral
>>snakes, and water moccasins. There is a "false" water moccasin that has
>>no poison, but his mouth is so foul that getting bit is almost like
>>getting stuck with a pungee stick.
>>
>>AFAIK, only the hognose puffs up like a cobra. If you know of another,
>>let me know. In the meantime, look at:
>>
>>http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/ehognos.htm
>
>
> Try Bitis Arietans -

Sorry - I was talking about the US, or at most North America. Are you
from Africa?

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

> IIRC, they can only bite at the flaps of skin (between fingers, toes,
> etc)
> because they can't open their mouths wide enough to strike other parts of
> an adult human -- is that correct or am I thinking of a different viper?

I had heard that about the poisonous sea snakes but never about a
Copperhead.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
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Neil Brooks wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:56 am, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> I'd have him in my Harbor Freight grabber/pickup thingies and march
> his a** to the county line.
>
> If you don't move him ... some risk. If you DO move him, but not
> far ... he comes back to your shop ... and you don't necessarily know
> it.
>
> BTW: I'm told they taste a LOT like chicken, so ... there's another
> option....

Taste like chicken but chewy like clams.

- Doug

In NC, we had 4 types of poisonous snakes: Copperheads, rattler,
coral and cotton mouth, depending on what part of the state you
were in. In Raleigh, where we lived, I never saw a coral snake
and think they were limited to the southern part of the state.
However, having lived one summer as a kid on an island in a
southern Arkansas bayou, I KNOW that a cotton mouth looks like and
how they act. The experts tell us that they don't exist as far
north as Raleigh. <grin>

One afternoon, I was walking down the creek behind our home toward
the lake. It was about a 1/4mile stroll and I loved looking at
the plants growing on the creek bank. As I rounded a corner, I
found myself about 10' away from two very fat cotton mouths
lounging in a dead tree in the creek. One slid off his branch
into the water and started swimming toward me.

Trust me, this old fat boy can walk on water when he's
sufficiently motivated. I 'walked' clear back to the house,
removing Mr. Browning's 12 gauge from my basement office and
returned to the creek. Both of my newfound friends were in their
tree again, so I liquefied both, saving the heads to show my
friend, who taught Biology at NCSU.

Copperheads were common as dirt in the yard and loved sliding
around under the pine straw used as mulch around the house's
foundation and naturally in the pine woods. You soon learned that
if you were going to remove the cover of a lawn sprinkler's valve
box, you did it with a screwdriver since a copperhead would
undoubtedly be inside. They'd always just slither away. None of
the family ever had a problem with them, other than being
surprised by them when you'd scare one up.

While the same fellow who had assured me that there were no
cottonmouths in the Raleigh area told me that there WERE rattlers,
I never saw any, and the same can be said for coral snakes, though
folk would see a King and mistakenly call it a coral. Remember,
red against yellow, kill a fellow. Red against black, venom lack.

It's the corals that have a very tiny mouth, but they make up for
it with a neurotoxin venom and were considered to be the most
deadly of the NC snakes.

As an aside, copperheads took a toll on dogs and particularly on
cats.

--
Nonny

You cannot make a stupid kid smart by
handing him a diploma. Schools need standards
to measure the amount of education actually
absorbed by children. Don’t sacrifice the smart
kids to make the dumb ones feel good about themselves.

On 10/07/2009 05:42 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> This Puffy, in Livingstone Zambia, October 1974, if I remeber
> correctly was just over 5 feet long and almost 3 inches in diameter.
> He was just inside the shop door when we came back from lunch. The
> guys were pretty excited, and searched the whole shop after killing it
> to be sure it didn't have a friend along!!!

I lived upcountry in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo) in the
late 80s. Had a python eat one of the neighbor's goats. They tracked
it down while it was still digesting it.

There was also the odd poisonous snake, one time some friends found a
spitting cobra in the outhouse. Our dog killed a little snake in the
house one time...didn't think it was poisonous though.

Best part about living there was our pet african grey parrot. They're
awesome. Stupid expensive in North America though.

Chris

On Oct 6, 3:03=A0pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> tom wrote:
> >>> He still sleeps. =A0http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
> >> A new kind of push stick! =A0:-)
>
> > Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of u=
sing
> > cats for pushsticks....
>
> > Brought to you by people eating tasty animals
>
> Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice... =A0I would=
n't want to walk into
> my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.
>
> --
> Free bad advice available here.
> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

My Ex is proof that I ain't afraid of much... but snakes you can keep.
Don't like them.

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:39:40 -0500, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:48:16 -0400, clare wrote:
>
>> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
>> story!!!!!!
>
>Not sire what you're calling a puff adder. In Kentucky where I grew up,
>a hognose snake was called a puff adder and they're about as harmless as
>a snake can get. A lot of country folks were convinced they were
>poisonous. They puff up and strike - with their mouth closed! If that
>doesn't work, they roll over and play dead. But if you flip them over,
>they flip right back - a dead snake is supposed to be on its back :-).
>
>I worked a university exhibit of native snakes at the state fair when a
>teenager. When people told me that the hognoses should have been in with
>the poisonous snakes, I'd pick one up, force its mouth open, and stick in
>a finger. I never got bit. The only problem was that after a couple of
>days of being handled, they got so tame they wouldn't roll over anymore.
>
>The only poisonous snakes in the US are rattlesnakes, copperheads, coral
>snakes, and water moccasins. There is a "false" water moccasin that has
>no poison, but his mouth is so foul that getting bit is almost like
>getting stuck with a pungee stick.
>
>AFAIK, only the hognose puffs up like a cobra. If you know of another,
>let me know. In the meantime, look at:
>
>http://www.snakesandfrogs.com/scra/snakes/ehognos.htm


Try Bitis Arietans - average size is about 40 inches, and thick as a
man's wrist. Can grow to roughly 70 inches in length.
They are responsible for more deaths in Africa than any other snake.
They are "Cytotoxic" - toxic to cells - and can cause severe necrosis
and low blood pressure. Only fatal in about 10% of untreated cases,
their death toll is still very high.

On Oct 6, 11:56=A0am, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> He still sleeps. =A0http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/

I'd have him in my Harbor Freight grabber/pickup thingies and march
his a** to the county line.

If you don't move him ... some risk. If you DO move him, but not
far ... he comes back to your shop ... and you don't necessarily know
it.

BTW: I'm told they taste a LOT like chicken, so ... there's another
option....

On Oct 7, 8:39=A0am, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Neil Brooks wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 11:56 am, tom <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> He still sleeps. =A0http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> > I'd have him in my Harbor Freight grabber/pickup thingies and march
> > his a** to the county line.
>
> > If you don't move him ... some risk. =A0If you DO move him, but not
> > far ... he comes back to your shop ... and you don't necessarily know
> > it.
>
> > BTW: I'm told they taste a LOT like chicken, so ... there's another
> > option....
>
> Taste like chicken but chewy like clams.
>
> - Doug

[in voice of stereotypical Middle Eastern guy from movies....]

Ah. Well, then. Bring him to me....

On Oct 6, 10:20=A0pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
> > tom wrote:
> >> He still sleeps. =A0http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>
> > Guess he'll take care of the mice. =A0 =A0:-)
>
> So does this:
> <http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=3D10053.=
..>
>
> plus this:
> <http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=3D10053.=
..>
>
> =A0 ... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you re=
ach
> into the wrong place at the wrong time.

Could also take care of you: see http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=3DafficheN&cp=
sidt=3D18195920
or your other critters.

Best is a good ratter live pushstick. You could also train a dog, use
that cute pink thing you just linked to, or a pellet gun.

Luigi

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Oct 6, 3:03 pm, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>> > "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> tom wrote:
>> >>> He still sleeps.  http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>> >> A new kind of push stick!  :-)
>>
>> > Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of using
>> > cats for pushsticks....
>>
>> > Brought to you by people eating tasty animals
>>
>> Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice...  I wouldn't want to walk into
>> my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.
>>
>> --
>> Free bad advice available here.
>> To reply, eat the taco.http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
>
>My Ex is proof that I ain't afraid of much... but snakes you can keep.
>Don't like them.
Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
story!!!!!!

tom <[email protected]> wrote:

>He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/

Can't tell from the picture. Is that a small diamondback?
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tom wrote:
> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/

Guess he'll take care of the mice. :-)


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tom wrote:
> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/

A new kind of push stick! :-)

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Joe wrote:
> "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> tom wrote:
>>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>> A new kind of push stick! :-)
>
> Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of using
> cats for pushsticks....
>
> Brought to you by people eating tasty animals

Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice... I wouldn't want to walk into
my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.

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Joe wrote:
> "Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> tom wrote:
>>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>> A new kind of push stick! :-)
>
> Nope, snakes take care of the mice, therefore, there's no downside of using
> cats for pushsticks....
>
> Brought to you by people eating tasty animals

Hmm, I think I'd rather have a cat to take care of the mice... I wouldn't want to walk into
my shop and have that thing snap me on the leg.

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tom wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:03 am, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>>
>> Can't tell from the picture. Is that a small diamondback?
>> --
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>> infrequently.
>
> About 2-plus feet. I just gently evicted him out into the sunshine.
> The old snake we had around here unfortunately got caught up in a rat
> trap kept in another corner. Looks like I'll have to establish a
> rapport with the new guy.

You're a braver or crazier man than I to willingly share shop space with a
rattler.

tom wrote:
> On Oct 6, 8:48 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
>> story!!!!!!
>
> Do not mess with them. Even when they're dead, respect that fang. Tom

My neighbor told me a story (which I'm not sure is true; the guy is pretty good at
embellishing) about being with a friend when they killed a rattler. My neighbor was getting
ready to cut the rattle off as a souvenir, but his friend stopped him with a "WHOA!" He
stepped on the snake's neck and cut the head off first, then said "Ok, now you can get the
rattle". As soon as my neighbor started cutting the rattle off, the snake's body reflexed
and the bloody stub where the head had been hit him right in the calf.

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Mark & Juanita wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> tom wrote:
>>> He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/
>> Guess he'll take care of the mice. :-)
>>
>
> So does this:
> <http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=15855>
>
> plus this:
> <http://www.teksupply.com/farm/supplies/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&storeId=10001&langId=-1&division=TekSupply&productId=109758>
>
> ... and they won't inject neurotoxins into your bloodstream if you reach
> into the wrong place at the wrong time.
>

Yeah, but you can't give those a cute little name and get attached to them.


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"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:05:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>
>>> Rattlesnakes are hemotoxic. Only the coral snake is neurotoxic in the
>>> US.
>>>
>>>
>> According to this, we are both right:
>> <http://wc.pima.edu/~bfiero/tucsonecology/animals/venom.htm>
>>
>> "... rattlesnakes often have both hemolytic and neurotoxic elements in
>> their venom"
>
> Interesting. Now that you've jogged my sometimes faulty memory, I seem
> to remember an article from several years ago that mentioned neurotoxins
> found in some rattlesnake venom. It (IIRC) said this was something new
> and was either an evolutionary change or the result of some
> crossbreeding. OTOH, it may just have been the result of better lab work.
>
> I believe that what is being refered to here is the Mojave Green found in
> the Mojave desert in Calif. It supposedly is a cross between a Diamond
> Back and an African Green snake. I have run across a few wandering around
> in the desert. Looks like a Diamond Back with a greenish tint. They say if
> you get bit out in the desert, that you won't have time to get anywhere
> for help.

Paul O.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Phisherman" wrote:
>
>
>
>> We also have large black
>> rat snakes, some 7 feet long, but these are harmless and feast on
>> copperheads.
>
> If that is the same black snake I know, they do a better job than a
> cat around the barn keeping the rat/mouse population under control.

And, actually, keeping the cat population down is one of their useful
functions as well when the coyotes get lazy... :)

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dpb wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Phisherman" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> We also have large black
>>> rat snakes, some 7 feet long, but these are harmless and feast on
>>> copperheads.
>>
>> If that is the same black snake I know, they do a better job than a
>> cat around the barn keeping the rat/mouse population under control.
>
> And, actually, keeping the cat population down is one of their useful
> functions as well when the coyotes get lazy... :)

My cats always got along well with black snakes. They'd play together for
hours. Neither one ever seemed to hurt the other.

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> IIRC, they can only bite at the flaps of skin (between fingers,
>> toes, etc)
>> because they can't open their mouths wide enough to strike other
>> parts of an adult human -- is that correct or am I thinking of a
>> different viper?
>
> I had heard that about the poisonous sea snakes but never about a
> Copperhead.

A copperhead is a pit viper, same family as rattlesnakes and cottonmouths,
but different genus. They can put a fang into any part of you, and like all
pit vipers have long retractile fangs that can go through quite a bit of
clothing. Here's a copperhead yawning, but with fangs retracted
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304433@N00/459385883/. Here's one with fangs
out--note the sheath around the fangs that slides back as the fangs go in
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11051247@N08/3842903770/. Here's a copperhead
skull--you can see the fangs more clearly
http://www.flickr.com/photos/malodora/3048537228/.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:07:41 -0500, Phisherman wrote:
>
>> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know where you
>> are putting your hands and feet.
>
> We found one in the school yard in grade school. Didn't know it was
> dangerous so we picked it up and played with it till recess was over.
> Took it in the classroom and teacher had a fit. We took it back out
> and turned it loose :-).
>
> We either got one that was very mild mannered or they are reluctant to
> bite.

Supposedly most snakebite deaths are from copperheads but also supposedly
that's because they are commonplace. Looking at all the copperhead photos
on flickr it's clear that they are pretty even tempered as venomous snakes
go--there are only a few shots out of hundreds where they have their mouths
open.

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> A copperhead is a pit viper, same family as rattlesnakes and
>> cottonmouths, but different genus. They can put a fang into any
>> part of you, and like all
>> pit vipers have long retractile fangs that can go through quite a
>> bit of clothing. Here's a copperhead yawning, but with fangs
>> retracted http://www.flickr.com/photos/11304433@N00/459385883/.
>> Here's one with fangs
>> out--note the sheath around the fangs that slides back as the fangs
>> go in http://www.flickr.com/photos/11051247@N08/3842903770/.
>> Here's a copperhead
>> skull--you can see the fangs more clearly
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/malodora/3048537228/.
>
> Beautiful photos... Thanks for sharing.

I'd like to claim credit for them but they aren't mine. It's amazing what
you can find by searching flickr.com.

> All my life, I've loved snakes and even owned over 100 at one point,
> but since marrying a woman with a death-fear of MICE and RATS it's
> hard to own anything that's really any fun any more.

Well, if she's afraid of mice and rats then she should enjoy watching the
snakes eat them.

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Phisherman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:07:32 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In article
>>><[email protected]>,
>>> Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's what I like about the Yukon, no snakes or skunks except for
>>>> Tory politicians.
>>>
>>>The only poisonous snake we have in the UK is the Adder, rarely fatal
>>>except to the very young or very frail. Also very rarely found.
>>>
>>>The skunks here are Labour politicians.
>>
>>
>> We have timber rattlers, water moccasins, pigmy rattler, and
>> copperhead.
>
> OK, you win. Arizona is viper-poor compared to that inventory -- thank
> goodness.

there are 36 different kinds of rattle snakes. arizona has 13 of them, more
than any other state.

http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/arizona-rattlesnakes.shtml

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

J. Clarke wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:07:41 -0500, Phisherman wrote:
>>
>>> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know where you
>>> are putting your hands and feet.
>>
>> We found one in the school yard in grade school. Didn't know it was
>> dangerous so we picked it up and played with it till recess was over.
>> Took it in the classroom and teacher had a fit. We took it back out
>> and turned it loose :-).
>>
>> We either got one that was very mild mannered or they are reluctant
>> to bite.
>
> Supposedly most snakebite deaths are from copperheads but also
> supposedly that's because they are commonplace. Looking at all the
> copperhead photos on flickr it's clear that they are pretty even
> tempered as venomous snakes go--there are only a few shots out of
> hundreds where they have their mouths open.

I should add to that though, that any snake turns paranoid when it's
molting--there's a period before their new skin hardens when they are pretty
much blind and they'll strike at anything that they think _might_ be a
threat, so even one that knows you and is so mellow that you feel
comfortable picking it up and carrying it out of the shop may suddenly turn
on you if you catch it at the wrong time.

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:00:43 -0600, Chris Friesen
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 10/07/2009 05:42 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> This Puffy, in Livingstone Zambia, October 1974, if I remeber
>> correctly was just over 5 feet long and almost 3 inches in diameter.
>> He was just inside the shop door when we came back from lunch. The
>> guys were pretty excited, and searched the whole shop after killing it
>> to be sure it didn't have a friend along!!!
>
>I lived upcountry in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo) in the
>late 80s. Had a python eat one of the neighbor's goats. They tracked
>it down while it was still digesting it.
>
>There was also the odd poisonous snake, one time some friends found a
>spitting cobra in the outhouse. Our dog killed a little snake in the
>house one time...didn't think it was poisonous though.
>
>Best part about living there was our pet african grey parrot. They're
>awesome. Stupid expensive in North America though.
>
>Chris
Yes, and they will likely outlive you. Not uncommon to last 80 years.

Nonny said:

>In NC, we had 4 types of poisonous snakes: Copperheads, rattler,
>coral and cotton mouth, depending on what part of the state you
>were in. In Raleigh, where we lived, I never saw a coral snake
>and think they were limited to the southern part of the state.
>However, having lived one summer as a kid on an island in a
>southern Arkansas bayou, I KNOW that a cotton mouth looks like and
>how they act. The experts tell us that they don't exist as far
>north as Raleigh. <grin>

There are about 44 snake species in GA, 6 of them poisonous.
Florida has a few more. This was the last visitor into the shop:

http://webpages.charter.net/videodoctor/images/EasternKingsnake1.JPG

Now if you want to talk about dangerous reptiles:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/Sb47EtnDgkI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/sBNrbEREzEQ/s1600-h/FCT01a.JPG

Want change you can believe in and a good laugh to boot?
Turn a pack of these loose in D.C. heh...heh...


Greg G.

Larry Blanchard said:

>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:07:41 -0500, Phisherman wrote:
>
>> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know where you are
>> putting your hands and feet.
>
>We found one in the school yard in grade school. Didn't know it was
>dangerous so we picked it up and played with it till recess was over.
>Took it in the classroom and teacher had a fit. We took it back out and
>turned it loose :-).
>
>We either got one that was very mild mannered or they are reluctant to
>bite.

They hide under stuff, tend to be shy, but even the little ones will
draw up on ya if'n ya mess with 'em. Maybe they're just meaner here.

When my sister was 4, she stepped on a piece of plywood and out came a
big 4-5 foot copperhead. She called out to me, "Look at the big worm."
It was hard to convince her not to make sudden movements while I got
the neighbor and his pistol to shoot the thing. They both stayed 2
feet apart, transfixed, all the while. Dude down the street ate it.


Greg G.

Greg G. wrote:
>
> They hide under stuff, tend to be shy, but even the little ones will
> draw up on ya if'n ya mess with 'em. Maybe they're just meaner here.

Or, they may be from putting too much belief in what they read on
Google! :)

One of the most aggressive snakes in LA when I was growing up were the
copperheads, which I routinely ran across when mowing the 2 acre house
site ... often had to put back away from the damn things as they _advanced_.

Being reptile, maybe it's the difference in regional temperatures?

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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT), tom <[email protected]> wrote:

>He still sleeps. http://tomeshew.spaces.live.com/

If that was my shop it would be for sale! Well, it would be right
after I cleaned out my shorts.

Gordon Shumway

One positive thing about 'Cash for Clunkers' is that
it took thousands of Obama bumper stickers off the road.

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:24:17 GMT, phil <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:48:16 -0400, clare wrote:
>> Diamondback is pretty mild. A 6 foot Puff Adder is a different
>> story!!!!!!
>Bit of a size exaggeration as a puffy rarely exceeds 1m (3') but a 6" one
>is just as capable of causing death or loss of lots of flesh due to its
>venom rotting the bite area.
>Nice colouring though.
>
>
This Puffy, in Livingstone Zambia, October 1974, if I remeber
correctly was just over 5 feet long and almost 3 inches in diameter.
He was just inside the shop door when we came back from lunch. The
guys were pretty excited, and searched the whole shop after killing it
to be sure it didn't have a friend along!!!

> Well, if she's afraid of mice and rats then she should enjoy watching the
> snakes eat them.

Exactly!!! Go figure.

We tried breaking her of her fear with a baby Corn Snake a few years ago
but... Alas, no luck.
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:05:04 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:

>> Rattlesnakes are hemotoxic. Only the coral snake is neurotoxic in the
>> US.
>>
>>
> According to this, we are both right:
> <http://wc.pima.edu/~bfiero/tucsonecology/animals/venom.htm>
>
> "... rattlesnakes often have both hemolytic and neurotoxic elements in
> their venom"

Interesting. Now that you've jogged my sometimes faulty memory, I seem
to remember an article from several years ago that mentioned neurotoxins
found in some rattlesnake venom. It (IIRC) said this was something new
and was either an evolutionary change or the result of some
crossbreeding. OTOH, it may just have been the result of better lab work.

I also found it interesting that there is a western variety of coral
snake. I was taught there was only the one native to Florida and
southern Georgia. We live and learn. Thanks for the info.

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Phisherman wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:07:32 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><[email protected]>,
>> Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I like about the Yukon, no snakes or skunks except for
>>> Tory politicians.
>>
>>The only poisonous snake we have in the UK is the Adder, rarely fatal
>>except to the very young or very frail. Also very rarely found.
>>
>>The skunks here are Labour politicians.
>
>
> We have timber rattlers, water moccasins, pigmy rattler, and
> copperhead.

OK, you win. Arizona is viper-poor compared to that inventory -- thank
goodness.

> Copperheads are common, shy, but you always need to know
> where you are putting your hands and feet.

IIRC, they can only bite at the flaps of skin (between fingers, toes, etc)
because they can't open their mouths wide enough to strike other parts of
an adult human -- is that correct or am I thinking of a different viper?

> We also have large black
> rat snakes, some 7 feet long, but these are harmless and feast on
> copperheads.

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