So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a
wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to
trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I
scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean
prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to
the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a
relaxing one so far.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Robatoy" wrote ...
>> "Leon" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor
>>> brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not
>>> totally suited for
>>> this particular piece of software.
>>
>> If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
>
> Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her
> Win 3.11 "solitaire playing" box.
>
Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't
remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably
Windows 95.
Puckdropper
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionally when zooming or panning
> part of my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
> panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction
> is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the
drawing
> diasppeared.
That sounds like a video card problem or related to the image not being
refreshed properly. It might be a SU problem, but it's more likely video
related.
On Mar 22, 3:38=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> RE: .... (last post)
>
> The only two positive words in the English language that make up a negati=
ve:
>
> "Yeah, right!"
>
> :)
>
Weak, really really weak.
*haughty sniff*
On Mar 22, 11:36=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Cool!
> How is that thing working out for you discounting today's adventure. =A0I=
mave
> been considering one per your recomendation however I wonder if I would g=
ain
> much versitility from it. =A0I only use thum style track balls and I get
> around SU and AutoCAD pretty quickly and effortlessly already. =A0If I we=
re
> using a mouse I would probably already own the Space Navigator.
I use a trackball and recently acquired a SpacePilot. I love the
fookin' thing. If you're quick with SU now, you'll be faster with a
Navigator or Pilot. It's more fun, too. Google Earth with it is
much, much better. It almost turns it into a video game. The blue
LED lighting also lets people know you're working on important
stuff! ;)
R
On Mar 21, 7:26=A0pm, "MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
> cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a
> wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to
> trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I
> scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean
> prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit =
to
> the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been =
a
> relaxing one so far.
Further proof that computers are no damned good!
(Quote an IT management friend of mine)
RonB
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for
> this particular piece of software.
If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
Interesting. My XP *won't* run "Paint". It locks up the machine every
time. Goofy. My PC guy wouldn't believe it until I had the unit to him for
a new HDD and I asked him about. He felt sure that it was the defective HDD
messing with Paint but it's no better with the new drive. He has pronounced
Paint as corrupt and for some bench time he will do a re-install. I'd
spring at the offer if I hadn't been out of work since Dec 08. Bum ticker!
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It is really something that I have noticed and it only happens
> occasionally. "1" click resolves the problem. I don't think it is a
> refresh problem as it happens when panning real time.
Panning is still the video card refreshing fast enough that it looks like
smooth motion. You might consider finding out if there's an updated driver
available for your video card. Worst case scenario, if there is an updated
version available and you don't like it for some reason, you can uninstall
it and reinstall the original one.
On Mar 22, 2:29=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ae13869f-85b8-4285-8d15-725730196362@n33g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor bran=
d
> > requirements/suggestions.
>
> But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
> Doodle program?
>
"doodle'
THIS is a Doodle.
http://retrieverman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/smooth-faced-golden-doodle.=
jpg?w=3D356&h=3D445
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "MikeWhy"
>
>> So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
>> cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a
>> wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to
>> trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I
>> scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean
>> prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit
>> to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not
>> been a relaxing one so far.
>
> Look first to your computer .... too many millions using the program with
> no similar problem to put the blame elsewhere but locally.
>
> A hardware problem, most likely in your graphics subsystem? Got the latest
> drivers for your video card?
>
> That said, as with every version change there are bugs to be squashed.
> There has been a recent update, so make sure you have it before proceeding
> with other troubleshooting.
It's not a graphics driver issue. Drivers abort with blue screens, not
application aborts. All the same, the graphics drivers were updated
recently, just a few weeks ago, to support additional CUDA and PhysX
features. There are no other issues of any kind with any other application.
The SU website is a little odd. It doesn't list the version number or date
of the latest update. I did check, but didn't find a version number, so I
didn't update. As far as I could tell, it's the same version I already have.
No worries. I got the job done some other way. It was just as well. I wanted
to see if SW can unroll a lofted, developed surface to a flat shape. I'm
building a 14 ft. lap straked sailboat this summer, and wanted to preview
the planking. It works well enough for simple shapes. If you're interested
in such things.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> requirements/suggestions.
But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
Doodle program?
Perhaps you have only managed to "doodle' with it but I have learned to get
past that learning disability commonly referred to as denial.
It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame the
least likely variable. CAD programs and even some simple card game
programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. The
video card for one should be a better than average consideration.
I am starting to see why you may be inteminidated and or not able to get SU
to do what you need it to do. ;~)
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:aFzxl.1531$6%[email protected]...
> Swingman wrote:
>> "Puckdropper" wrote
>>
>>>Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't
>>>remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably
>>>Windows 95.
>>
>>
>> Actually, it was MS Paint in Win 1.0.
>>
>> .... and referred to as such thereafter, if not officially named. A rose
>> by any other name ...
>>
>>
>
> According to an article on Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms_Paint
>
> "The first version of Paint was introduced with the first version of
> Windows, Windows 1.0. It was later renamed to Paintbrush in Windows 3.0,
> but the name was changed back to Paint in Windows 95 and later."
Basically what I said ... but Wiki trumps all practical knowledge, eh?
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On Mar 22, 1:07=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote ...
>
> > =A0"Leon" wrote:
>
> >> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor bra=
nd
> >> requirements/suggestions. =A0Perhaps your computer is not totally suit=
ed
> >> for
> >> this particular piece of software.
>
> > If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
>
> Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her Win 3=
.11
> "solitaire playing" box.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
That'd be just about as much fun.
"Robatoy" wrote in message
> On Mar 22, 3:38 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" wrote
>>
>> RE: .... (last post)
>>
>> The only two positive words in the English language that make up a
>> negative:
>>
>> "Yeah, right!"
>>
>> :)
>>
> Weak, really really weak.
>
> *haughty sniff*
But is has, once again, proven to be true. ;)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:36:59 -0500, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then
>using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or panning
>part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
>panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction
>is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the drawing
>diasppeared.
Sounds like "Z-clipping" to me. Part of the 3-D extents of the model
are "behind" the camera position and cannot be seen from the camera
location. Search the SketchUp help group for "Camera Clipping". There
are a number of suggestions as to the cause and corrections.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
On Mar 22, 2:29=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ae13869f-85b8-4285-8d15-725730196362@n33g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor bran=
d
> > requirements/suggestions.
>
> But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
> Doodle program?
>
> Perhaps you have only managed to "doodle' with it but I have learned to g=
et
> past that learning disability commonly referred to as denial.
>
> It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame =
the
> least likely variable. =A0 =A0CAD programs and even some simple card game
> programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. =A0Th=
e
> video card for one should be a better than average consideration.
>
> I am starting to see why you may be inteminidated and or not able to get =
SU
> to do what you need it to do. =A0;~)
Weak, Leon. Weak.
"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
> cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a
> wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to
> trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I
> scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean
> prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit
> to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not
> been a relaxing one so far.
>
>
For what it is worth I just imported a jpg image of a customers back yard
and I tried using the straight line tool to trace the windows and the
freehand tool to trace the curvy plastic lawn chairs. No problems.
I am going to have to say that this is the first time I have heard of this
problem. I would suggest looking into a forum to see if any one else is
having this problem and specifically what kind of computer they are using.
Or reboot and see if that solves your problem.
I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for
this particular piece of software.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "MikeWhy" wrote
>
>> PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure
>> is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in
>> its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
>> panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
>> scroll and zoom.
>
> Did you try the new driver from 3D connexion? Here is a thread, and blurb
> from 3D connexion, that may give you some clues as to a solution.
>
> http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:YxUizdBZNFIJ:www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D80%26t%3D17131+sketchup+%22Space+Navigator%22+problems&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
That's a worthwhile thought. I'll gripe openly from now on since it brings
useful feedback. The forum thread references a problem after updating to SU
7, which isn't relevant here, but I'll check for an update for
spacenavigator when I get a chance.
"Puckdropper" wrote
> Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't
> remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably
> Windows 95.
Actually, it was MS Paint in Win 1.0.
... and referred to as such thereafter, if not officially named. A rose by
any other name ...
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"Tom Veatch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:36:59 -0500, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then
>>using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or
>>panning
>>part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
>>panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction
>>is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the
>>drawing
>>diasppeared.
>
> Sounds like "Z-clipping" to me. Part of the 3-D extents of the model
> are "behind" the camera position and cannot be seen from the camera
> location. Search the SketchUp help group for "Camera Clipping". There
> are a number of suggestions as to the cause and corrections.
>
> Tom Veatch
> Wichita, KS
> USA
If it becomes a problem I'll look into it. It really only takes me "1"
extra click to correct the problem. It could happen 10 times a day and
would take longer to look up, or fix than clicking zoom extents. It
normally happens once a week.
"MikeWhy"
> So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
> cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a
> wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to
> trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I
> scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean
> prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit
> to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not
> been a relaxing one so far.
Look first to your computer .... too many millions using the program with no
similar problem to put the blame elsewhere but locally.
A hardware problem, most likely in your graphics subsystem? Got the latest
drivers for your video card?
That said, as with every version change there are bugs to be squashed. There
has been a recent update, so make sure you have it before proceeding with
other troubleshooting.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionally when zooming or
>> panning
>> part of my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
>> panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent
>> correction
>> is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the
> drawing
>> diasppeared.
>
> That sounds like a video card problem or related to the image not being
> refreshed properly. It might be a SU problem, but it's more likely video
> related.
>
>
It is really something that I have noticed and it only happens
occasionally. "1" click resolves the problem. I don't think it is a
refresh problem as it happens when panning real time.
It sounds like Leon doesn't like multi-core hyper threading.
Sigh.
The large fast disk is very important. The larger the better.
You should have a large cache. It should be larger than 3x to
that of the cpu memory. This is for program and data swap out
and swap in.
If your disk is fragmented this is very very slow. It might crash.
And if you use multiple disks for data and cache - it might be nice
to be on different ports, not stealing time from the other disk
for an operation. Dual ports (common on machines) allows writing
and reading at the same time in real time. No time share is needed.
There are a lot of what if. If the software is really functional
for Hyper-Threading - then a 2.8 quad is much faster than a single 2.8.
Martin
Leon wrote:
> "MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to
>> date drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's
>> TeraBytes) of local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without
>> getting into words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll just
>> point out that SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications that
>> run without difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I know
>> quite a bit about software and failures. It's an absolute certainty that
>> the fault lies in SU alone.
>
> Ok, I am not trying to put down your machine. although 2.3 TB does not help
> one way or another. While 2.8GHz is not slow, my 6 year old Dell runs at
> 2.6. Yes you have a quad but SU only uses "1" processor so it really does
> not perform any better on quad than a duo or single. Your RAM is what SU
> actually recomends.
>
> I am only trying to help out.
>
> But any way, ;~) I had no problems using my computer to do what you were
> describing so there has to be something unique about your set up that may
> be upsetting the apple cart. Big and Bad does not insure that every thing
> plays well together with all applications. Yes you have no other problem
> with any other applications but now you have an application that is not
> working correctly. Applications running long periods with out a problem is
> what I expect. Many of my applocations run for days on end and I have a
> hard drive that has not been turned off since late September. I'll take
> your word that you know quite a bit about software and failures. I
> seriousely doubt that the fault lies in SU alone but you may have found the
> bug that no one has run across and reported here. I personally am pretty
> quick to find bugs in software. I don't know if that is a good thing or not
> but I have received quite a few relatively expensive pieces of software for
> free with no time limits for pointing out numerous bugs right after they
> had been beta tested and released for sale.
>
>
>> Anyway... I really didn't expect discussion. I was just pissed enough to
>> share my momentary frustration with you (and a few others here) publicly.
>> ;)
>
> Again I was only trying to help but your opening lines sounded to me like
> you were looking for answers.
>
>> PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure
>> is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in
>> its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
>> panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
>> scroll and zoom.
>
> Cool!
> How is that thing working out for you discounting today's adventure. I mave
> been considering one per your recomendation however I wonder if I would gain
> much versitility from it. I only use thum style track balls and I get
> around SU and AutoCAD pretty quickly and effortlessly already. If I were
> using a mouse I would probably already own the Space Navigator.
>
> No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then
> using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or panning
> part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
> panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction
> is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the drawing
> diasppeared.
>
>
>
>
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 22, 7:41 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:7eeda5bf-6d21-4d00-aaa5-a318f60dd76e@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > news:ae13869f-85b8-4285
>
> Weak, Leon. Weak.
>
> You took this long to come up with that response??? ;~)
I was taking a nap.
Had to sleep on it huh? LOL
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for
> this particular piece of software.
If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
Which begs the question can the OP run MS Paint with out his computer having
the same problem.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ae13869f-85b8-4285-8d15-725730196362@n33g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> > requirements/suggestions.
>
> But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
> Doodle program?
>
"doodle'
THIS is a Doodle.
http://retrieverman.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/smooth-faced-golden-doodle.jpg?w=356&h=445
Hey that looks like a Dandy Doodle. ;~)
Swingman wrote:
> "Puckdropper" wrote
>
>>Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't
>>remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably
>>Windows 95.
>
>
> Actually, it was MS Paint in Win 1.0.
>
> .... and referred to as such thereafter, if not officially named. A rose by
> any other name ...
>
>
According to an article on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms_Paint
"The first version of Paint was introduced with the first version of
Windows, Windows 1.0. It was later renamed to Paintbrush in Windows 3.0,
but the name was changed back to Paint in Windows 95 and later."
--
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Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Mar 22, 11:23=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> requirements/suggestions.
=A0
But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
Doodle program?
"MikeWhy" wrote
> PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure
> is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in
> its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
> panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
> scroll and zoom.
Did you try the new driver from 3D connexion? Here is a thread, and blurb
from 3D connexion, that may give you some clues as to a solution.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:YxUizdBZNFIJ:www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D80%26t%3D17131+sketchup+%22Space+Navigator%22+problems&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
<watch the wrap>
http://www.3dconnexion.com/news/press/111908_sketchup.php
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On Mar 22, 7:41=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:7eeda5bf-6d21-4d00-aaa5-a318f60dd76e@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > news:ae13869f-85b8-4285
>
> Weak, Leon. Weak.
>
> You took this long to come up with that response??? =A0 ;~)
I was taking a nap.
On Mar 22, 7:14=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
> > On Mar 22, 3:38 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> >> RE: .... (last post)
>
> >> The only two positive words in the English language that make up a
> >> negative:
>
> >> "Yeah, right!"
>
> >> :)
>
> > Weak, really really weak.
>
> > *haughty sniff*
>
> But is has, once again, proven to be true. =A0 ;)
>
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I am allowed to engage in casual banter without referring to
that..that...that...you know..
On Mar 22, 2:01=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 22, 11:23=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor bran=
d
> > requirements/suggestions.
>
> =A0
> But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a
> Doodle program?
Okay, okay, this is too much fun already. I ain't going to pursue this
low-hanging fruit any longer.
.....not this time
r
On Mar 22, 11:23=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
> requirements/suggestions. =A0Perhaps your computer is not totally suited =
for
> this particular piece of software.
If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure
>> is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in
>> its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
>> panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
>> scroll and zoom.
>
> Cool!
> How is that thing working out for you discounting today's adventure. I
> mave been considering one per your recomendation however I wonder if I
> would gain much versitility from it. I only use thum style track balls
> and I get around SU and AutoCAD pretty quickly and effortlessly already.
> If I were using a mouse I would probably already own the Space Navigator.
Don't let my misadventure put you off it. I was skeptical as well, and
bought the first one for my wife. She stole it back after a few days and I
had to get my own. It's extremely easy to, for example, fly through the
little gaps and check the drawer runner clearance. It's the ideal interface
for Google Earth, and works really well with 3D applications in general. I
don't find it so useful for 2D apps like Acrobat or Photoshop, where you
usually want the zoom level to remain constant. But I do like the fast easy
pan and zoom to view photos and jpgs.
> No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then
> using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or
> panning part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away.
> Rotating, panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent
> correction is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of
> the drawing diasppeared.
No. Never had that happen that I noticed. I sometimes find myself inside the
object, or "zoomed" through to the other side, but haven't had it sectioned.
It might be clipping at the view frustrum if your view angle is set too wide
or the near clipping plane set too far. I would look like it was sectioned,
but without the interior showing.
Leon wrote:
> "Martin H. Eastburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> It sounds like Leon doesn't like multi-core hyper threading.
>> Sigh.
>
> IIRC Sketchup does not support HT or multi core processors. I have nothing
> against them at all.
I have been running an AMD dual core-64 bit processor for a number of
years and never had a hardware problem with Sketchup. Never had a
problem with any application that I run. This is the first non-Intel
chip I've owned and was mildly apprehensive, but long since forgot all
about it... 'till you just mentioned it...
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>> The large fast disk is very important. The larger the better.
>> You should have a large cache. It should be larger than 3x to
>> that of the cpu memory. This is for program and data swap out
>> and swap in.
>>
>> If your disk is fragmented this is very very slow. It might crash.
>>
>> And if you use multiple disks for data and cache - it might be nice
>> to be on different ports, not stealing time from the other disk
>> for an operation. Dual ports (common on machines) allows writing
>> and reading at the same time in real time. No time share is needed.
>>
>> There are a lot of what if. If the software is really functional
>> for Hyper-Threading - then a 2.8 quad is much faster than a single 2.8.
>
> But as I said, the software does not support HT or multi core processors.
>
>
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:55:51 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "MikeWhy"
>
>>
>> It's not a graphics driver issue. Drivers abort with blue screens, not
>> application aborts. All the same, the graphics drivers were updated
>> recently, just a few weeks ago, to support additional CUDA and PhysX
>> features. There are no other issues of any kind with any other
>> application.
>>
>> The SU website is a little odd. It doesn't list the version number or date
>> of the latest update. I did check, but didn't find a version number, so I
>> didn't update. As far as I could tell, it's the same version I already
>> have.
>>
>> No worries. I got the job done some other way. It was just as well. I
>> wanted to see if SW can unroll a lofted, developed surface to a flat
>> shape. I'm building a 14 ft. lap straked sailboat this summer, and wanted
>> to preview the planking. It works well enough for simple shapes. If you're
>> interested in such things.
>>
>
>It would be interesting to try the same thing on another computer with the
>same file.
>
Or, you might take a look at the 'system event log' and the 'applications log'
both of which are viewed with the event viewer, usually located under
'administrative tools' on the program menu. Usually catastrophic errors are
prefaced by a RED ICON and convey the error message to someone who has actually
diagnosed a computer before. Your computer buddy wouldn't likely need or
understand the info as it sounds like he is a "shotgunner" who simply makes a
guess and then replaces parts until it works again. My educated (ha!) guess
would be software related, more than likely downlevel or missing OS modules
(dll's). I was always better with a rifle, however. regards, Joe.
"Martin H. Eastburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It sounds like Leon doesn't like multi-core hyper threading.
> Sigh.
IIRC Sketchup does not support HT or multi core processors. I have nothing
against them at all.
>
> The large fast disk is very important. The larger the better.
> You should have a large cache. It should be larger than 3x to
> that of the cpu memory. This is for program and data swap out
> and swap in.
>
> If your disk is fragmented this is very very slow. It might crash.
>
> And if you use multiple disks for data and cache - it might be nice
> to be on different ports, not stealing time from the other disk
> for an operation. Dual ports (common on machines) allows writing
> and reading at the same time in real time. No time share is needed.
>
> There are a lot of what if. If the software is really functional
> for Hyper-Threading - then a 2.8 quad is much faster than a single 2.8.
But as I said, the software does not support HT or multi core processors.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7eeda5bf-6d21-4d00-aaa5-a318f60dd76e@f33g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ae13869f-85b8-4285
Weak, Leon. Weak.
You took this long to come up with that response??? ;~)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame
> the least likely variable. CAD programs and even some simple card game
> programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. The
> video card for one should be a better than average consideration.
Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to date
drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's TeraBytes) of
local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without getting into
words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll just point out that
SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications that run without
difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I know quite a bit about
software and failures. It's an absolute certainty that the fault lies in SU
alone.
Anyway... I really didn't expect discussion. I was just pissed enough to
share my momentary frustration with you (and a few others here) publicly. ;)
PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure is
the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in its
interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
scroll and zoom.
"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "MikeWhy"
>
> It's not a graphics driver issue. Drivers abort with blue screens, not
> application aborts. All the same, the graphics drivers were updated
> recently, just a few weeks ago, to support additional CUDA and PhysX
> features. There are no other issues of any kind with any other
> application.
>
> The SU website is a little odd. It doesn't list the version number or date
> of the latest update. I did check, but didn't find a version number, so I
> didn't update. As far as I could tell, it's the same version I already
> have.
>
> No worries. I got the job done some other way. It was just as well. I
> wanted to see if SW can unroll a lofted, developed surface to a flat
> shape. I'm building a 14 ft. lap straked sailboat this summer, and wanted
> to preview the planking. It works well enough for simple shapes. If you're
> interested in such things.
>
It would be interesting to try the same thing on another computer with the
same file.
"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to
> date drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's
> TeraBytes) of local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without
> getting into words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll just
> point out that SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications that
> run without difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I know
> quite a bit about software and failures. It's an absolute certainty that
> the fault lies in SU alone.
Ok, I am not trying to put down your machine. although 2.3 TB does not help
one way or another. While 2.8GHz is not slow, my 6 year old Dell runs at
2.6. Yes you have a quad but SU only uses "1" processor so it really does
not perform any better on quad than a duo or single. Your RAM is what SU
actually recomends.
I am only trying to help out.
But any way, ;~) I had no problems using my computer to do what you were
describing so there has to be something unique about your set up that may
be upsetting the apple cart. Big and Bad does not insure that every thing
plays well together with all applications. Yes you have no other problem
with any other applications but now you have an application that is not
working correctly. Applications running long periods with out a problem is
what I expect. Many of my applocations run for days on end and I have a
hard drive that has not been turned off since late September. I'll take
your word that you know quite a bit about software and failures. I
seriousely doubt that the fault lies in SU alone but you may have found the
bug that no one has run across and reported here. I personally am pretty
quick to find bugs in software. I don't know if that is a good thing or not
but I have received quite a few relatively expensive pieces of software for
free with no time limits for pointing out numerous bugs right after they
had been beta tested and released for sale.
>
> Anyway... I really didn't expect discussion. I was just pissed enough to
> share my momentary frustration with you (and a few others here) publicly.
> ;)
Again I was only trying to help but your opening lines sounded to me like
you were looking for answers.
>
> PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure
> is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in
> its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous"
> panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to
> scroll and zoom.
Cool!
How is that thing working out for you discounting today's adventure. I mave
been considering one per your recomendation however I wonder if I would gain
much versitility from it. I only use thum style track balls and I get
around SU and AutoCAD pretty quickly and effortlessly already. If I were
using a mouse I would probably already own the Space Navigator.
No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then
using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or panning
part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating,
panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction
is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the drawing
diasppeared.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to
>> date drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's
>> TeraBytes) of local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without
>> getting into words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll
>> just point out that SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications
>> that run without difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I
>> know quite a bit about software and failures. It's an absolute certainty
>> that the fault lies in SU alone.
>
> Ok, I am not trying to put down your machine. although 2.3 TB does not
> help one way or another. While 2.8GHz is not slow, my 6 year old Dell
> runs at 2.6. Yes you have a quad but SU only uses "1" processor so it
> really does not perform any better on quad than a duo or single. Your
> RAM is what SU actually recomends.
I'm hardly defensive about the machine. Happiness is knowing you don't have
to check the minimum requirements.
I see 2 "hot" threads running in SU, but they seem to be tied in lock step,
and never consume more than 25% CPU combined (100% of 1 core). The hot one
is in SU proper. The other is in the Nvidia driver. This makes sense for the
graphics thread.
One socket opened and then closed to iw-in-f147.google.com on port 80. Might
be to check for updates, but it didn't prompt me to do so.
>
> I am only trying to help out.
>
> But any way, ;~) I had no problems using my computer to do what you were
> describing so there has to be something unique about your set up that may
> be upsetting the apple cart. Big and Bad does not insure that every thing
> plays well together with all applications.
Forgetting about SU in particular, imagine you had a product manager who
explains away why his product fails in use that way. At best, it explains
why he has difficulty tracking it down and killing it, but he'd better have
an active plan for doing so. I'm unlikely to do their debugging for them.
"Robatoy" wrote ...
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>>
>> I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand
>> requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited
>> for
>> this particular piece of software.
>
> If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU.
Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her Win 3.11
"solitaire playing" box.
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