"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> To summarize, I'm simply angry at the Canadian because of the wel
> publicised protest and virulent rhetoric against the US.
This is generally the vocal minority, not the average guy ont he street.
Condeming an entire country is kind of silly and shortseighted.
> This whole thing about lumber imports seems to be disingenuos since
> Canada retaliates by sellling prescription drugs undercutting the
> American drug companies -- the companies that invented the drug in the
> first place taking on huge risks for the potential of huge profits.
Northing wrong with profits, but other countries, not just Canada, manage to
sell the drugs at lower prices. If the US drug companies soldl them to
other countries at the same price as they do to us, perhaps the balance
would be different. Check out hte middlement along the way also, not just
hte drug companies.
>
> Lastly, and more personal, I am being laid off because Canada
> subsidizes R&D so my multi-national company thinks it's cheaper to move
> my job to Montreal (one of my favorite cities, btw). By itself that
> might be ok but, I'm one of the last to be laid off. The other thousand
> or so laid off engineers are marveling at how the Canadian group has
> completely botched the projects, made them years behind and lost market
> share. Unfortunately our European owners haven't figure that out
> because they only look at hourly rate.
Sorry to hear you are being laid of, but it is a European company making the
decision so you blame Canada?. Go to work for an American company. They
don't do things like that do they?
[email protected] wrote:
> It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
> drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
> large areas. What size would you suggest?
Low angle block plane (with adjustable mouth) is perfect for small
trimming tasks like that, and the low angle works well on end grain.
> Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
> the price.
I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I have the LN, which
performs beautifully and is arguably "prettier" with the bronze cap.
However, I have the Veritas Shoulder plane and one of their replacement
blades, which are also top-notch quality, and everything I've heard
about the LV LABP is positive. The only real differences I've come up
with from checking specs, reading here etc. are that:
1.) the LN doesn't have a lateral adjust lever (I haven't missed one;
it's easy enough to just move the blade by hand),
2.) the LN doesn't have accessories like a choice of blade materials
(A1 or O2) or an add-on ball tail and knob http://tinyurl.com/ydzwea
and
3.) they're slightly different sizes and shapes, which I think is
entirely a matter of personal preference.
I'd see if you could try out each one in your hand, and see which one
rubs you the right way.
Good luck, and I think you'll be happy either way you decide on this,
Andy
On 17 Dec 2006 11:37:21 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>I do not have any suggestions at the moment but you can take a look at
>the Grapevine for some suggestions (www.grapevine.is)
Thanks!
4) LN's are made in America, one of the few things that is.
Andy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
> > drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
> > large areas. What size would you suggest?
>
> Low angle block plane (with adjustable mouth) is perfect for small
> trimming tasks like that, and the low angle works well on end grain.
>
> > Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
> > the price.
>
> I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I have the LN, which
> performs beautifully and is arguably "prettier" with the bronze cap.
> However, I have the Veritas Shoulder plane and one of their replacement
> blades, which are also top-notch quality, and everything I've heard
> about the LV LABP is positive. The only real differences I've come up
> with from checking specs, reading here etc. are that:
> 1.) the LN doesn't have a lateral adjust lever (I haven't missed one;
> it's easy enough to just move the blade by hand),
> 2.) the LN doesn't have accessories like a choice of blade materials
> (A1 or O2) or an add-on ball tail and knob http://tinyurl.com/ydzwea
> and
> 3.) they're slightly different sizes and shapes, which I think is
> entirely a matter of personal preference.
> I'd see if you could try out each one in your hand, and see which one
> rubs you the right way.
> Good luck, and I think you'll be happy either way you decide on this,
> Andy
Another option is to buy an antique Stanley on the internet.
Typically, you can find an awfully good user plane for modest dollars.
Then when your tools are handed down to another generation it will be
worth a whole lot more than you paid for it. And the bargain hunting
is half of the fun ...
[email protected] wrote:
> It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
> drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
> large areas. What size would you suggest? I'm leaning towards a No.
> 4. Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
> the price.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
[email protected] wrote:
> It's time I buy a good plane.
Make it a couple. The Veritas low angle block for starters, because
it's probably the most useful single plane-like tool you'll ever find,
especially if you're not regularly planing stuff.
For a bench plane, I'd suggest the Veritas #5. A #5 is a better
general purpose plane than a #4. Also old #4's really do grow on trees.
If you want a small plane for taking to a door rather than benchwork,
think about a #3 instead.
I prefer the Veritas design to the L-N and there's nothing between them
in build quality. L-N are prettier and more traditional, but I think
the Veritas adjuster design is just better thought out than Stanley's.
If you want a smoother later, it needs to be a separate plane just so
you can sharpen and tune it differently. A #4 1/2 would be good here,
or a Steve Knight. Also by that time you're probably due for a scrub
plane (cheap old Stanley #4, rersharpened).
B A R R Y wrote:
[snip]
> > Then when your tools are handed down to another generation it will be
> > worth a whole lot more than you paid for it.
>
> Who says an LN tool won't be? Some LN limited runs are already
> collectable. [snip]
At the rate folks are going to Canada for their planes, LN may be out
of business as soon and as LN himself gets too old maybe he'll call it
quits or sell it to somebody less capable or to, oh my a foreign
company....Then they would most definitely be collectibles.
I care less about supporting Canadian, who've trash mouthed the US a
little too much for my taste, than helping a US company. There's better
ways of changing American opinion than insulting us.
On Dec 15, 5:51 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2006 14:43:56 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I care less about supporting Canadian, who've trash mouthed the US a
> >little too much for my taste, than helping a US company. There's better
> >ways of changing American opinion than insulting us.Many Americans trash mouth the US. <G>
Yep, and I don't like them. However many Americans do not trash Canada.
>
> How do you know any particular American company is owned by someone
> who shares your political views?
I was expressing patriotism, not a political view.
Dictionary says:
Main Entry: pol=B7i=B7tics
Pronunciation: 'p=E4-l&-"tiks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Etymology: Greek politika, from neuter plural of politikos political
1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned
with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science
concerned with winning and holding control over a government
2 : political actions, practices, or policies
3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between
competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as
in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity
or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and
often dishonest practices
4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person
5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b
: relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as
seen or dealt with from a political point of view <office politics>
<ethnic politics>
Patriotism is love of one's country. Seems like a stretch to say
patriotism is political, but maybe 3a applies, maybe.
On Dec 15, 6:03 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2006 15:59:11 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I was expressing patriotism, not a political view.Patriotism _is_ politi=
cal.
If you read back trough the trhead of postings the meaning should be
more obvious. I know some of these postings become less meaningful as
the fragment and ramble on.
To summarize, I'm simply angry at the Canadian because of the wel
publicised protest and virulent rhetoric against the US. It's ok to
disagree and protest but it's not the best way to change American
public opinion. I simply have never ever heard any American bad-mounth
Canada. May be you have. I have not.
This whole thing about lumber imports seems to be disingenuos since
Canada retaliates by sellling prescription drugs undercutting the
American drug companies -- the companies that invented the drug in the
first place taking on huge risks for the potential of huge profits.
Lastly, and more personal, I am being laid off because Canada
subsidizes R&D so my multi-national company thinks it's cheaper to move
my job to Montreal (one of my favorite cities, btw). By itself that
might be ok but, I'm one of the last to be laid off. The other thousand
or so laid off engineers are marveling at how the Canadian group has
completely botched the projects, made them years behind and lost market
share. Unfortunately our European owners haven't figure that out
because they only look at hourly rate.
So my point is -- buy American first, then buy from countries that
actually like us.
On Dec 16, 7:59 am, Doug Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 15/12/2006 6:59 PM, Never Enough Money wrote:
>
> > However many Americans do not trash Canada.And many do. What's your point?
[snip]
.Northing wrong with profits, but other countries, not just Canada,
manage to
> sell the drugs at lower prices. If the US drug companies soldl them to
> other countries at the same price as they do to us, perhaps the balance
> would be different. Check out hte middlement along the way also, not just
> hte drug companies.
[snip]
There is something wrong when other sell cheaper because of regulation
(or they simply copy the invention) and force the Americans to pay for
the R&D.
I have a Stanley #4. Its old; it doesn't look antique. I use it. Its all
there, and 100% functional. Is it worth something? Have I heard out of the
side of my ear that Stanley (#4) might be worth something. Why?
.
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B A R R Y wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2006 12:50:53 -0800, "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Good conditions? In Canada????
> >
> >I don't think most people count cold and snow as unfair working
> >conditions... <G>
>
>
> You're telling that to a guy who goes to Lake Placid and Fairbanks, AK
> for winter vacation. <G>
>
> This year, I'm headed to Iceland in February.
Iceland in february is much warmer than either Lake Placid or Fairbanks.
B A R R Y wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2006 16:22:04 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >Iceland in february is much warmer than either Lake Placid or Fairbanks.
>
> Hence this year's trip! I'm understanding that it'll be similar to
> New York City, climate-wise. A daily high of 35-40F?
Well, the variations can be considerable, you can have still weather,
snow cover and -10=B0C and you can have up to 15=B0C with lashing rain
and high winds and both can be considered quite normal.
> If I really wanted COLD this year, I'd go to Greenland. <G>
>
> Care to share any non-touristy restaurant suggestions around
> Reykjavik?
I do not have any suggestions at the moment but you can take a look at
the Grapevine for some suggestions (www.grapevine.is)
Never Enough Money wrote:
> Patriotism is love of one's country. Seems like a stretch to say
> patriotism is political, but maybe 3a applies, maybe.
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Bertrand Russell
Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for
their country.
Bertrand Russell
Couldn't resist ... it looked too much like temptation.
Bill
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Never Enough Money wrote:
> There is something wrong when other sell cheaper because of regulation
> (or they simply copy the invention) and force the Americans to pay for
> the R&D.
True that ... but which regulations are wrong? The foreign companies
cannot compel American companies to sell them drugs below cost so I
gotta think that the pharma companies are still making a profit off
foreign sales ... but just aren't able to gouge them as effectively as
they are able to gouge Americans.
When American companies gouge American citizens I have a hard time
believing that foreign regulations play a large role in the overall problem.
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In article <[email protected]>, Andy
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > Good conditions? In Canada????
>
> I don't think most people count cold and snow as unfair working
> conditions... <G>
>
We do have a few buildings up here. Some of them even have furnaces!
On 15 Dec 2006 15:59:11 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I was expressing patriotism, not a political view.
Patriotism _is_ political.
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:44:36 -0500, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful plane, I'd
>> consider this:
>> <http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4431>
>
>Well, yeah, but if I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful
>TOOL, I'd consider this:
>
>http://www.mcfeelys.com/product.asp?pid=KLT-9800&id=1591326
Yeah, but for that price, where's the corkscrew?
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 16/12/2006 9:15 AM, Never Enough Money wrote:
>
>> To summarize, I'm simply angry at the Canadian because of the wel
>> publicised protest and virulent rhetoric against the US. It's ok to
>> disagree and protest but it's not the best way to change American
>> public opinion. I simply have never ever heard any American bad-mounth
>> Canada.
>
>4 words. Pat Buchanan. Soviet Canuckistan. Most Canuckistanians just
>laugh at sh*t like that, but it was hardly intended as a compliment.
I imagine most Canadians view Pat Buchanan as being something of a horse's
behind.
If it helps any... so do most Americans.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
[email protected] wrote:
>
> It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
> drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
> large areas. What size would you suggest? I'm leaning towards a No.
> 4. Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
> the price.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
As you will no doubt be advised
Veritas adjustable throat block plane for the needs you described
though their regular block plane would do fine as well.
The LN "block/rabbet/rebate plane doesn't need an adjustable
throat - it's tight out of the box - and sharp. Does what the
Veritas
can do PLUS, because the sides of the body are open at the iron,
and the iron sticks out a few thousandths on both sides, it's
also nice for tuning tenon faces - and shoulders (the V can't
do shoulders - but they make THREE nice shoulder planes that
give you multiple holding position AND set screws to keep the
iron where you put it, even if you take it out for sharpening -
no futzing around after sharpening. They also work very
nicely thank you very much.
But to be honest, the stanley block plane I picked up at a
flea market for around $10 will do what you want to use
it for - IF you sharpen the iron. Not as flashy - but it'll
do just fine. Then when you win the lottery . . .
charlie b
Man that thread spun off topic quick - and far.
The price differences for the same drug and the
reasons given for why they're cheaper in some
places and not in others - and unfair competition
etc. was interesting.
Note: drug companies keep telling us that they
spend millions and millions of dollars on R&D,
and millions and millions more on drug trials and
complying with government regulations. That's
the line they give - to the consumer. On the
other hand, when it comes to investors, the
Annual Report goes the other way - Look At
How Long We've Been Making A Lot of Money,
How Much We Made Just Last Year and Here's
How Much More Money We Plan To Make This Year!
Look at the percent of spending vs return on
investment of the major industries. Compare
the rest to The Drug Industry. Notice that they
consistently out perform all the other industries?
Why? Well EVERYONE gets sick, gets injured and
gets old. The closer you get to DEAD, the more
you'll pay to not be DEAD. And there's a sweet
spot in their market demographics - old enough
to have the money to spend to not only not
be DEAD, but the money for Viagra / Cialis etc.
To add the advantage of stability and predictability
to the mix - NOTHING they need to make their
product comes from The Middle East!
To paraphrase Evita Peron (made famous by
Madona in the role of Evita in the Broadway
Hit - EVITA!). "Don't cry for me - prescription
drug con-soom -ers.".
charlie b
ps - check NAFTA. Note that the drug industry,
legal and illegal, are exempted.
ok - rant mode OFF
In article <[email protected]>, Doug Payne <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 18/12/2006 8:12 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> I imagine most Canadians view Pat Buchanan as being something of a horse's
>> behind.
>>
>> If it helps any... so do most Americans.
>
>Sure, that's the point I was trying to make. There's horse's behinds
>everywhere, including 1 or 2 in Canada. We mostly ignore ours too.
I used to work with a Canadian fellow who referred to one of your former PMs
as "Cretin". :-)
>
>The vast majority of Canadians are much too polite to engage in the kind
>of "virulent rhetoric against the US" the OP was talking about :-)
I've noticed that. I've vacationed in Canada a number of times -- my wife and
I honeymooned in Jasper Nat'l Park, for example -- and have *never*
encountered rudeness there, except, I'm sorry to say, from other Americans.
Just the same, I'm sure you have your share of volatile and voluble lunatics,
just as we do.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:26:48 -0500, DIYGUY <[email protected]>
wrote:
>My points are all valid - just as yours are.
I forgot to mention, that counterpoint does not invalidate your points
at all!
Sorry, again...
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
>drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
>large areas. What size would you suggest? I'm leaning towards a No.
>4. Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
>the price.
The Veritas planes are very good -- square and flat right out of the box,
quite sharp with only light honing needed, sturdy and well balanced. Excellent
planes, and a good value.
But if you're not concerned about the price, buy the L-N.
Or buy the Veritas, and send the difference to me.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
(snip)
>> Veritas planes are made in Canada, by what I assume are fairly treated
>> Canadians working in good conditions.
>
> Good conditions? In Canada????
>
When we beat the staff, we do it in a polite manner ...
That's the right way, eh?
;)
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Never Enough Money wrote:
>> 4) LN's are made in America, one of the few things that is.
>
> Veritas planes are made in Canada, by what I assume are fairly treated
> Canadians working in good conditions. Not USA made, but not a cheap-labor
> import, either.
>
> If money were no object, I'd buy the LN for the glitz (_real_ and
> perceived). However, money is always an object at some level, so most of
> my own hand planes are Veritas. My bottom line is that either brand makes
> me a happy 'dorker, as I've gotten to use many brands during various
> classes.
>
> If I were going for a low-angle block, I'd probably buy the Veritas.
>
> If I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful plane, I'd
> consider this:
> <http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4431>
>
> This plane is slightly wider than many block planes, and the open sides
> allow extra duty adjusting rabbets and tenons. However, you'd give up the
> adjustable mouth of the LABP, which is also a valuable feature.
>
> Decisions... <G>
>
>
It's a dandy. I use it for general block work and for rabbeting and fitting
tenon cheeks. The geometry is a bit clumsy for shouldering, but with a bit
of effort it's possible. Got the Veritas shoulder to do that now, and no
complaint or difficulty.
For me the smoother from Veritas is a real joy, because I have large hands.
The frog/mouth adjustment is positive, easy, and makes a smooth translucent
shaving. Amazes the kids when they see me reach for the plane rather than
the sander, but then they see and feel the surface, and understand.
The LN low-angle smoother http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?sku=164
will handle the gnarliest wood without a problem, but I'd go conventional
angle for general work.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've noticed that. I've vacationed in Canada a number of times -- my wife
> and
> I honeymooned in Jasper Nat'l Park, for example -- and have *never*
> encountered rudeness there, except, I'm sorry to say, from other
> Americans.
Still remember the cafe in Thunder Bay where the wife and I stopped for
lunch. Everyone was speaking English when we came in, then switched to
French. So, what the hell, we started conversing in Russian. They appeared
somewhat annoyed, but went back to English thereafter.
Wouldn't have worked in the prairie provinces....
Why the flame? All I suggested was another option - just to open up the
thinking a little. My points are all valid - just as yours are. So
what? YMMV is all I come away with from your comments ...
B A R R Y wrote:
> DIYGUY wrote:
>> Another option is to buy an antique Stanley on the internet.
>> Typically, you can find an awfully good user plane for modest dollars.
>
> And then spend more overall than the Veritas getting it comparable, by
> replacing the iron, missing or broken wooden parts, and possibly the
> chipbreaker. Old planes are easy to find cheap. Old planes that
> haven't been messed up (mouths widened, parts broken, holes dripped,
> dropped and cracked) are NOT easy to find cheap. Old planes in
> excellent to mint condition usually sell for ridiculous prices, based
> on user utility.
>
>> Then when your tools are handed down to another generation it will be
>> worth a whole lot more than you paid for it.
>
> Who says an LN tool won't be? Some LN limited runs are already
> collectable. Maybe Veritas planes might also be worth something, who
> knows? Both are definitely suitable for handing down and capable of
> lasting generations. If you're going to really _use_ the Stanley to
> actually work wood, your fettling and replacing poor or broken parts
> will probably destroy any collectible value.
>
> From a user's standpoint, I think modern Lie-Neilsen and Veritas
> planes are BETTER than many Stanley tools _ever_ were.
>
> And the bargain hunting
>> is half of the fun ...
>
> I'll give you that, if that's your thing. <G>
>
> I have many antique Stanley planes. After I've installed Hock,
> Veritas, or LN irons, and spent many hours tuning them, they work
> well, but they still aren't as good as an LN, and few are as good as a
> new Veritas.
>
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> [snip]
> .Northing wrong with profits, but other countries, not just Canada,
> manage to
> > sell the drugs at lower prices. If the US drug companies soldl them to
> > other countries at the same price as they do to us, perhaps the balance
> > would be different. Check out hte middlement along the way also, not
just
> > hte drug companies.
> [snip]
> There is something wrong when other sell cheaper because of regulation
> (or they simply copy the invention) and force the Americans to pay for
> the R&D.
>
But neither is the case with Canada. They buy the drugs far cheaper,
therefore they can sell them cheaper. American drug companies sell to
Americans at a far higher price than they do elsewhere.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It's time I buy a good plane. I need it for fitting doors to openings,
> drawers to openings, and the like. I don't need one for surfacing
> large areas. What size would you suggest? I'm leaning towards a No.
> 4. Which brand do you prefer: L/N or Veritas? I'm not concerned about
> the price.
Sort of like asking what is better, steak or prime rib. Both are good.
I've used an L-N plane and I bought a Veritas. Both are excellent so check
out to see if there is some small detail that happens to suit you better, be
it the feel in your hand or the color of the box it comes in.
B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> If money were no object, I'd buy the LN for the glitz (_real_ and
> perceived). However, money is always an object at some level, so most
> of my own hand planes are Veritas. My bottom line is that either brand
> makes me a happy 'dorker, as I've gotten to use many brands during
> various classes.
>
> If I were going for a low-angle block, I'd probably buy the Veritas.
>
> If I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful plane, I'd
> consider this:
> <http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/index.asp?
PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdI
> D=4431>
>
> This plane is slightly wider than many block planes, and the open
> sides
> allow extra duty adjusting rabbets and tenons. However, you'd give
> up
> the adjustable mouth of the LABP, which is also a valuable feature.
>
> Decisions... <G>
>
I bought the LN Standard Angle Block (9 1/2), and have loved it a lot.
It's the right weight, fits my hand and my work, and feels great. My
dad calls it 'my high tech plane'. I bought him a LV Low Angle Block
plane, which he opts to keep in my shop. (He's in his 80's now.) It
gets some use, but not nearly as much.
One of the LN Rabbet block planes follwed me home from a wood show last
spring, but it sits still in its packaging, in the bottom of my tool
shrine. I haven't had the need to open it up, and use it yet.
For the OP: I don't think, from your description of what you've said
you want to do, that you need consider a much larger plane than a
Stanley #3. The Veritas Low Angle Smoother, a LN #3, a LN 9 1/2, a
Veritas Low Angle Block. Pick two, and get some decent sharpening gear,
if you haven't yet. And maybe the Veritas Apron plane, too.
It's only money. ;-)
Patriarch
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 18:26:48 -0500, DIYGUY <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Why the flame? All I suggested was another option - just to open up the
>thinking a little. My points are all valid - just as yours are. So
>what? YMMV is all I come away with from your comments ...
Flame? None-intended! <G>
I'm very sorry if you take two-way discussion as a flame.
Having been down the down you mentioned, I just thought it deserved
follow-up, especially the part about passing the tools down.
On 15/12/2006 5:08 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Andy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Good conditions? In Canada????
>> I don't think most people count cold and snow as unfair working
>> conditions... <G>
>>
>
> We do have a few buildings up here. Some of them even have furnaces!
You've got a furnace??? I tried that, just keeps melting the roof.
On 16/12/2006 9:15 AM, Never Enough Money wrote:
> To summarize, I'm simply angry at the Canadian because of the wel
> publicised protest and virulent rhetoric against the US. It's ok to
> disagree and protest but it's not the best way to change American
> public opinion. I simply have never ever heard any American bad-mounth
> Canada.
4 words. Pat Buchanan. Soviet Canuckistan. Most Canuckistanians just
laugh at sh*t like that, but it was hardly intended as a compliment. You
should probably lighten up and likewise laugh at the anti-Murrican stuff
that comes out of Canuckistan.
On 18/12/2006 8:12 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> I imagine most Canadians view Pat Buchanan as being something of a horse's
> behind.
>
> If it helps any... so do most Americans.
Sure, that's the point I was trying to make. There's horse's behinds
everywhere, including 1 or 2 in Canada. We mostly ignore ours too.
The vast majority of Canadians are much too polite to engage in the kind
of "virulent rhetoric against the US" the OP was talking about :-)
On 16 Dec 2006 16:22:04 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Iceland in february is much warmer than either Lake Placid or Fairbanks.
Hence this year's trip! I'm understanding that it'll be similar to
New York City, climate-wise. A daily high of 35-40F?
If I really wanted COLD this year, I'd go to Greenland. <G>
Care to share any non-touristy restaurant suggestions around
Reykjavik?
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>On Dec 15, 5:51 pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 15 Dec 2006 14:43:56 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I care less about supporting Canadian, who've trash mouthed the US a
>> >little too much for my taste, than helping a US company. There's better
>> >ways of changing American opinion than insulting us.Many Americans trash mouth the US. <G>
>
>Yep, and I don't like them. However many Americans do not trash Canada.
And 99% of canadians don't trash the USA. All you hear are the 1%
of loudmouths. No country has the exclusive on loudmouths.
scott
On 15 Dec 2006 12:50:53 -0800, "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Good conditions? In Canada????
>
>I don't think most people count cold and snow as unfair working
>conditions... <G>
You're telling that to a guy who goes to Lake Placid and Fairbanks, AK
for winter vacation. <G>
This year, I'm headed to Iceland in February.
Never Enough Money wrote:
> 4) LN's are made in America, one of the few things that is.
Veritas planes are made in Canada, by what I assume are fairly treated
Canadians working in good conditions. Not USA made, but not a
cheap-labor import, either.
If money were no object, I'd buy the LN for the glitz (_real_ and
perceived). However, money is always an object at some level, so most
of my own hand planes are Veritas. My bottom line is that either brand
makes me a happy 'dorker, as I've gotten to use many brands during
various classes.
If I were going for a low-angle block, I'd probably buy the Veritas.
If I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful plane, I'd
consider this:
<http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4431>
This plane is slightly wider than many block planes, and the open sides
allow extra duty adjusting rabbets and tenons. However, you'd give up
the adjustable mouth of the LABP, which is also a valuable feature.
Decisions... <G>
On 15 Dec 2006 16:22:18 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Dictionary says:
>
>Main Entry: pol·i·tics
Don't forget this:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism>
I'll just have to leave you with your belief that patriotism isn't
political. I don't think patriotism is always bad, but I think it's
always political. This is true even when I agree and also feel
patriotic. <G>
DIYGUY wrote:
> Another option is to buy an antique Stanley on the internet.
> Typically, you can find an awfully good user plane for modest dollars.
And then spend more overall than the Veritas getting it comparable, by
replacing the iron, missing or broken wooden parts, and possibly the
chipbreaker. Old planes are easy to find cheap. Old planes that
haven't been messed up (mouths widened, parts broken, holes dripped,
dropped and cracked) are NOT easy to find cheap. Old planes in
excellent to mint condition usually sell for ridiculous prices, based on
user utility.
> Then when your tools are handed down to another generation it will be
> worth a whole lot more than you paid for it.
Who says an LN tool won't be? Some LN limited runs are already
collectable. Maybe Veritas planes might also be worth something, who
knows? Both are definitely suitable for handing down and capable of
lasting generations. If you're going to really _use_ the Stanley to
actually work wood, your fettling and replacing poor or broken parts
will probably destroy any collectible value.
From a user's standpoint, I think modern Lie-Neilsen and Veritas planes
are BETTER than many Stanley tools _ever_ were.
And the bargain hunting
> is half of the fun ...
I'll give you that, if that's your thing. <G>
I have many antique Stanley planes. After I've installed Hock, Veritas,
or LN irons, and spent many hours tuning them, they work well, but they
still aren't as good as an LN, and few are as good as a new Veritas.
In article <[email protected]>,
B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> If I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful plane, I'd
> consider this:
> <http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4431>
Well, yeah, but if I were looking for ONE, really awesome, highly useful
TOOL, I'd consider this:
http://www.mcfeelys.com/product.asp?pid=KLT-9800&id=1591326
On 16 Dec 2006 16:22:04 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>B A R R Y wrote:
>> On 15 Dec 2006 12:50:53 -0800, "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> Good conditions? In Canada????
>> >
>> >I don't think most people count cold and snow as unfair working
>> >conditions... <G>
>>
>>
>> You're telling that to a guy who goes to Lake Placid and Fairbanks, AK
>> for winter vacation. <G>
>>
>> This year, I'm headed to Iceland in February.
>
>Iceland in february is much warmer than either Lake Placid or Fairbanks.
IIRC, Iceland was so named in order to discourage people from wanting to
go there, it really isn't "icy". OTOH, Greenland was so named for the
opposite reason, to make a big hunk of ice sound that much more appealing.
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On 15 Dec 2006 14:43:56 -0800, "Never Enough Money"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I care less about supporting Canadian, who've trash mouthed the US a
>little too much for my taste, than helping a US company. There's better
>ways of changing American opinion than insulting us.
Many Americans trash mouth the US. <G>
How do you know any particular American company is owned by someone
who shares your political views?