Tennoning Jigs recomendations

"Paul Kierstead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>

> I have found that it is less useful *to me* the I might have thought
> originally. Unless you are making an awful lot of tenons which are
> destined for highly-repeatable machine-made mortises, the effort to set
> it up, etc. is more then I have found worth the effort, when a band saw
> (or handsaw for that matter) and an plane/chisel can make perfect

I came to that conclusion too. I was all ready and set to buy one: if it's
good 'nuff for Norm or David, then it's gotta make my stuff better too.
Unless I did my first M&T project. Now, I'm not sure there's a place for
one in my kit.

I bought the Rockler jig when it was on sale about a year or year and a half
ago. Heavy, solid and fits in the slots of my saw (Craftsman contractor)
well. However, when I took it out of the box it was apparently set up for
the slot on the right side of the blade (right tilt saw?), or maybe just a
different spacing for the slot. The base would hit the blade unless the
jig was adjusted almost all the way to it's extreme settings so I had to
change it over. The body of the jig was already machined so that was easy
enough. The only problem now is that the adjustment scale doesn't move so
it is basically useless (the scale, that is). But other than, that the jig
works well.

FWIW, the salesman said that he had the Delta jig and except for the color
he couldn't tell the difference.

Wayne


"dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:Ig5ld.1$iR.0@lakeread04...
> For what it's worth, the $106 Rockler you mentioned, is $69 at the link.
>
> I'd be interesting in hearing some comments from Rockler owners (I need a
> jig too.)
>
> Dave
>
>
> "Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>>
>> Considering
>>
>> $79 Shopfox Woodstock -
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>>
>> $85 Delta 34-183
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>>
>> $109 Jet 708111
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>>
>> $106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>>
>> I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta
>> and that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything
>> about the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having
>> to tweak the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right
>> tilt. I'm thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are
>> the slot to blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>>
>
>

Ed - Do you work in Chicago?

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>>
>> Considering
>
>>
>> $85 Delta 34-183
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
> I have the Delta and like it. I'd probably buy the jig from Woodcraft for
> about $60 if I was going to buy again. Looks as though it would work as
> well and save 30 bucks. .
>
> Since buying the jig I've added a dado blade. I use the dado blade more
> than the tenoning jig now. Depends on what you are doing I guess.
>

Just curious - I know somone with same name that works in Chicago.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ed - Do you work in Chicago?
>>
>
>
> Live in CT, work in MA
>

In article <Ig5ld.1$iR.0@lakeread04>, [email protected] says...
> I'd be interesting in hearing some comments from Rockler owners (I need a
> jig too.)
>
C'mon guys, we're woodworkers. Make one :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <Ig5ld.1$iR.0@lakeread04>, [email protected] says...
> > I'd be interesting in hearing some comments from Rockler owners (I need
a
> > jig too.)
> >
> C'mon guys, we're woodworkers. Make one :-).

IMO, a reasonably-inexpensive purchased cast iron jig works a lot better (at
least for me) than a homemade one (I have both).

todd

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:42 -0500, "Brikp" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
>Considering
>
>$79 Shopfox Woodstock -
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>
>$85 Delta 34-183
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
>$109 Jet 708111
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>
>$106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>
>I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
>that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
>the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to tweak
>the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt. I'm
>thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the slot to
>blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>

i got the 60$ one at woodcraft. set it up and made a couple test cuts.
seems to be servicable. when i get a chance to realy USE it i will
post some more thoughts.

skeez

"BMR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Have a look at the General - I don't own either, but at the last
> woodshow I looked at both General and Delta and fit/finish seemed
> better on the General. - It felt more 'solid.'
>

I've got the Delta. Does the job -- no flattening necessary. Perfect out of
the box. I've never compared it to anything else, since it was a gift from
the wife. I did manage to strip out the set screw in the silver crank.

I bought the delta a few years ago. The set screws to adjust the slop in
the miter slot bar were stripped when I got it. Was pretty disappointed at
first, but it's fixed and works fine now. The micro adjustment is real
nice. Admittedly, the jig is used only to mass produce, otherwise, I hand
cut or bandsaw. -dave


"skeezics" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:42 -0500, "Brikp" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>>
>>Considering
>>
>>$79 Shopfox Woodstock -
>>http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>>
>>$85 Delta 34-183
>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>>
>>$109 Jet 708111
>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>>
>>$106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>>
>>I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
>>that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
>>the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to
>>tweak
>>the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt. I'm
>>thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the slot to
>>blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>>
>
> i got the 60$ one at woodcraft. set it up and made a couple test cuts.
> seems to be servicable. when i get a chance to realy USE it i will
> post some more thoughts.
>
> skeez

For what it's worth, the $106 Rockler you mentioned, is $69 at the link.

I'd be interesting in hearing some comments from Rockler owners (I need a
jig too.)

Dave


"Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
> Considering
>
> $79 Shopfox Woodstock -
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>
> $85 Delta 34-183
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
> $109 Jet 708111
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>
> $106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>
> I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
> that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
> the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to
> tweak the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt.
> I'm thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the
> slot to blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?

Get a Leigh FMT. Solves the tennon and mortice problem in one setup.
Works like a dream.
--

Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
To reply change the 'past' to the 'future'

In article <[email protected]>, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> says...

> snip <
> Is the FMT more reasonable in your corner of the world?

No, it is an expensive piece of equipment.
I do a fair amount of production work (should have mentioned it in the
previous post - would have put it in a better perspective) and the time
saving is enormous and justifies the cost.
I agree that for a weekend woodworker it is overkill.
It is a great piece of engineering. Do not regret buying it as it has
saved me a lot of time. Get the setup right (one or two tests) and all
the joints are perfect, no tweaking.

--

Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
To reply change the 'past' to the 'future'

I prefer a shop made version a la Tage Frid. From what others have reported
on the Delta tenoning jig, you can make your own jig and be cutting tenons
in less time than you will spend cleaning up a Delta jig to be usable.

Jay



<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
> Considering
>
> $79 Shopfox Woodstock -
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>
> $85 Delta 34-183
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
> $109 Jet 708111
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>
> $106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>
> I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
> that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
> the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to
> tweak the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt.
> I'm thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the
> slot to blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>

Phil Hansen <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
> Get a Leigh FMT. Solves the tennon and mortice problem in one setup.
> Works like a dream.

So, Phil, the FMT IS a superb piece of gear. The SHOW SPECIAL, with some
of the templates, and HSS, not carbide, router bits, one week ago, was
US$885, delivered. Over US$1000 with carbide and all of the templates.

For me, I'd have to part with another US$250 for a more sophisticated
plunge router.

I decided to look for another means of cutting accurate M&T joints. Or
wait for the checkbook to heal a bit more. BTW, I already own the Delta
tenoning jig, and it works well.

Is the FMT more reasonable in your corner of the world?

Patriarch

Someone wrote an extensive review of the Delta jig in this newsgroup a few
weeks ago. Among other things, I recall that he had to flatten the base to
make it usable. Perhaps yours is an older model.

Jay

"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I prefer a shop made version a la Tage Frid. From what others have
> reported
>> on the Delta tenoning jig, you can make your own jig and be cutting
>> tenons
>> in less time than you will spend cleaning up a Delta jig to be usable.
>
> As an owner of the Delta, I find that hard to believe.
>
> It takes about a minute or two set up for a cut.
>
> I do not have a microadjust on my cabinet saw fence. For most work, that
> is
> fine but it IMHO it is necessary for tennon cheeck cuts. Being able to
> literally dial that in (+/- .005") using the microadjust on the delta jig
> is
> worth the price of admission.
>
> YMMV.
>
> I recently made a table top with (an admittledly over-the-top complicated
> series of ribs) with 50 tennons. I'm glad I had the jig.
>
> Is it better than the competition? I've no idea.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
>

I have the Woodcraft, and it works just fine.

I disassembled the whole thing, degreased it, and reassembled. Also
had to move the base over (per instructions, which were good) to
adjust to track to blade spacing for my 1023SL.

When I had the thing disassembled, I took the opportunity to lap the
base of the jig, and clean up the rough spots from casting. I'd
strongly recommend this tuneup step to anyone using one of these jigs.
It now glides on the saw top without leaving any marks or scratches
whatsoever.

This jig goes on sale from time to time, and is a good value.

I bought the delta and had some issue moving it over to accomodate the different
slot position for a left tilt saw. I stripped the head on one of the hex bolts,
all the fasteners seemed to be exceedingly soft (read cheap). Just thought the
fasteners could have been much better quality. Otherwise works well, I'm not
terribly partial to it since I often cut one and two offs quicker with hand
tools.

David



In article <[email protected]>, Brikp says...
>
>OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
>Considering
>
>$79 Shopfox Woodstock -
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>
>$85 Delta 34-183
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
>$109 Jet 708111
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>
>$106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>
>I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
>that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
>the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to tweak
>the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt. I'm
>thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the slot to
>blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>
>

> I prefer a shop made version a la Tage Frid. From what others have
reported
> on the Delta tenoning jig, you can make your own jig and be cutting tenons
> in less time than you will spend cleaning up a Delta jig to be usable.

As an owner of the Delta, I find that hard to believe.

It takes about a minute or two set up for a cut.

I do not have a microadjust on my cabinet saw fence. For most work, that is
fine but it IMHO it is necessary for tennon cheeck cuts. Being able to
literally dial that in (+/- .005") using the microadjust on the delta jig is
worth the price of admission.

YMMV.

I recently made a table top with (an admittledly over-the-top complicated
series of ribs) with 50 tennons. I'm glad I had the jig.

Is it better than the competition? I've no idea.

-Steve

"Jay Knepper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Someone wrote an extensive review of the Delta jig in this newsgroup a few
> weeks ago. Among other things, I recall that he had to flatten the base to
> make it usable. Perhaps yours is an older model.

Yes. It is about a decade old. I may be wrong but the new ones are basically
the same design.

I was commenting on cast iron Jig vs. build your own, rather than old vs new
vs jet vs WC etc.




>
>

"Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
> Considering

>
> $85 Delta 34-183
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance

I have the Delta and like it. I'd probably buy the jig from Woodcraft for
about $60 if I was going to buy again. Looks as though it would work as
well and save 30 bucks. .

Since buying the jig I've added a dado blade. I use the dado blade more
than the tenoning jig now. Depends on what you are doing I guess.

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:42 -0500, "Brikp" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?

I believe they're called bandsaws

"Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ed - Do you work in Chicago?
>


Live in CT, work in MA

In article <[email protected]>,
"Brikp" <[email protected]> wrote:

> OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
> $85 Delta 34-183
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v
> =glance

I have the Delta. When a received it, the bar for the slot was slightly
warped and required some filing to make it fit, but from what I have
seen and heard this does not sound typical. It works well enough,
although I have some quibbles; for example, the clamp position range
doesn't always work out so well.

I have found that it is less useful *to me* the I might have thought
originally. Unless you are making an awful lot of tenons which are
destined for highly-repeatable machine-made mortises, the effort to set
it up, etc. is more then I have found worth the effort, when a band saw
(or handsaw for that matter) and an plane/chisel can make perfect
fitting tenons with relative ease, at least in smallish quantities.

PK

Have a look at the General - I don't own either, but at the last
woodshow I looked at both General and Delta and fit/finish seemed
better on the General. - It felt more 'solid.'

...r


On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:03:42 -0500, "Brikp" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>OK - Tennoning Jigs. Any recommendations?
>
>Considering
>
>$79 Shopfox Woodstock -
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/item.cfm?itemnumber=H5782
>
>$85 Delta 34-183
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
>$109 Jet 708111
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005A1HS/qid=1099491714/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3_etk-tools/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013
>
>$106 Rockler http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=10185&clk=412
>
>I did a Google search and read the comments about quality of the delta and
>that the Jet and powermatic are identical. I have not read anything about
>the shopfox or rockler. I did see some previous posts about having to tweak
>the miter guide rail on some saws. I have a Grizzly 1023 right tilt. I'm
>thinking the shopfox should be as close to plug and play. Are the slot to
>blade measurements the same on Griz and Delta and PM?
>

> $85 Delta 34-183
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004TD3O/002-3184584-5086427?v=glance
>
I have owned the Delta jig for a couple of years. It is solid and works
well. At the time I bought mine the detail parts (knobs, screws, etc)
seemed a little more substantial that the Jet.

I recently received a Woodcraft sale bill that shows a jig under their brand
that looks almost identical to my Delta. Main difference is $60 vs the 90+
I paid for my Delta (Amazon) and a green paint job.