In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> KY? We're talking about scr . . . . . . Yeah, that'd work
Nope. KY's water based.
Rolling Thunder asks:
>What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
>Would candle stick wax do?
Candle stick wax will do, but floor wax is easier to use--I just stand a batch
of screws, heads up, in the can.
The wax makes the screws easier to drive, and may save broken off heads on some
alloys of aluminum and most alloys of brass.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:45:18 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Norm Dresner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Yes, it will work to decrease the friction between the surface of the
>> screw
>> and the wood and make it turn easier. While I prefer Bee's Wax. I was
>> originally taught to run the screw through my hair. In the '50s most of
>> us
>> used a greasy enough hair preparation to qualify. These days the normal
>> oils
>> found on a person's hair are marginally usable unless you happen to be
>> "lucky" enough to have oily hair and are a carpenter.
>>
>> Norm
>>
>
>That would have worked in 1958 when I used Brylcream. I just tried it and
>all I got was scrapes on my head.
>
sounds like you might have the same haircut that I do.. my wife calls
it a "nohawk"... lmao
Rolling Thunder wrote:
> What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
> Would candle stick wax do?
Try it. I find that it is especially good to use with itty bitty brass
screws used to attach fancy hardware bits to boxes and whatnot. Without
some wax, even with precisely sized pilot holes, it's very difficult to get
a screw in tight enough to do the job without mangling the head.
I poke mine in a can of Johnson's paste wax. It works great, and it's
easier to get the wax on than using gulf or beeswax.
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Matter of fact, cement-coated (CC) nails are specified in some codes.
Stop to think what making the nails come out easily would do, rather than
what government should or could.
"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If there are building codes pertaining to the use of wax on nails used
> for furniture building, then then government has exceeded it's bounds.
>
> David
>
> Richard Cline wrote:
>
> > It is my understanding that waxing nails is not a good idea. In fact I
> > believe that some building codes make it illegal.
> >
> > Dick
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:16:10 -0800, Richard Cline <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>It is my understanding that waxing nails is not a good idea. In fact I
>believe that some building codes make it illegal.
>
>Dick
haven't heard of any codes in my area, but it really doesn't apply to
waxing screws, does it??
"Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought a cheap toilet bowl ring (wax), broke it up and dumped it into a
>soup can, then heated it w/ a propane torch so it would melt and settle.
>Works like a champ.
> Grandpa
Geez Grandpa that was starting to sound like a homeless persons supper
recipe.
Rolling Thunder <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
> Would candle stick wax do?
>
> Thunder
It reduces the friction when you drive the screw -- decreasing the
chance that you will slip the head or strip it, or even snap off the
head.
I coat the bottom half of the screw in the same furniture wax (Trewax)
that I use for the final finish coat.
"Rolling Thunder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Would candle stick wax do?
A'yup. 'Specially the scented candles.
"Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
>> Would candle stick wax do?
>
>
> Using a carpenter's glue like TiteBond II on the threads seems to
> lubricate
> screws pretty well, too.
I would suspect it makes them nearly impossible to remove also. And then
there is that water that in the glue.
"Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> >A little dab will do you.
>
> I thought that was the slogan for KY?
>
> --
> Chris Richmond
KY? We're talking about scr . . . . . . Yeah, that'd work
I prefer using a hard wax like a paraffin or a bee's wax. Other waxes could
contain additives that "may" adversely affect any finish you apply later.
You don't need much - just coat the lower half of the screw threads so the
wax is in the threads and wipe off any excess. When you insert the screw,
if you haven't applied to much, it will not squeeze out and go all over.
You'll soon be able to judge how much is enough.
Do not use soap as some may suggest. It supposedly draws moisture from the
wood and starts rusting/corrosion.
Bob S.
"Rolling Thunder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
> Would candle stick wax do?
>
> Thunder
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:yrbid.37$du1.33@trndny02...
>
> That would have worked in 1958 when I used Brylcream. I just tried it and
> all I got was scrapes on my head.
A little dab will do you.
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in news:Ud7id.44355$EZ.40796@okepread07:
> Bar-soap works too. I keep a chunk in the drawer with my drill bits.
> Just rub the threads against the edge of the bar to lubricate.
>
Well, bar soap gets the screw in, but it is reputed to draw water to
itself, causing nasties around the screw over time. Certainly not good for
oak...
Floor wax...
Patriarch
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:05:33 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:20:55 GMT, Rolling Thunder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
>
>Easier to drive them in.
>
>>Would candle stick wax do?
>
>Yes. Personally I use beeswax, because it's softer and easier to
>apply. I've usually got both within reach.
Turpentine disolves candle wax. I keep a jar of disolved candle stubs
(about the consistancy of mayonaise) in the shop and ready to use.
Ed
Ed Bailen writes:
>>On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:20:55 GMT, Rolling Thunder <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
>>
>>Easier to drive them in.
>>
>>>Would candle stick wax do?
>>
>>Yes. Personally I use beeswax, because it's softer and easier to
>>apply. I've usually got both within reach.
>
>Turpentine disolves candle wax. I keep a jar of disolved candle stubs
>(about the consistancy of mayonaise) in the shop and ready to use
Yes, it does. It also dissolves most other waxes.
Charlie Self
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would
promise them missionaries for dinner." H. L. Mencken
Less binding while driving. I've found that wire pulling compound
works great too. Its probably got silicone or something, but I
haven't noticed any finishing problems with it. I don't use a
lot of screws in my projects, but for general use, I can't complain.
I've used wax, bar soap, and similar slippery things with success.
Chris
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Nails holding a building together should not be waxed. Only the friction
between them and the wood holds them. Screws are a different fastener
altogether and rely on the threads to resist pull out.
It may also be noted that buildings are different from furniture.
"Richard Cline" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> It is my understanding that waxing nails is not a good idea. In fact I
> believe that some building codes make it illegal.
>
> Dick
In article <[email protected]>,
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:yrbid.37$du1.33@trndny02...
>>
>> That would have worked in 1958 when I used Brylcream. I just tried it and
>> all I got was scrapes on my head.
>
>A little dab will do you.
I thought that was the slogan for KY?
--
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:20:55 GMT, Rolling Thunder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
>Would candle stick wax do?
>
>Thunder
The wax provides lubrication to help prevent the screw from breaking.
Candle wax works, beeswax is better.
"Rolling Thunder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
> Would candle stick wax do?
>
Yes, it will work to decrease the friction between the surface of the screw
and the wood and make it turn easier. While I prefer Bee's Wax. I was
originally taught to run the screw through my hair. In the '50s most of us
used a greasy enough hair preparation to qualify. These days the normal oils
found on a person's hair are marginally usable unless you happen to be
"lucky" enough to have oily hair and are a carpenter.
Norm
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:02:36 -0600, "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Do not use soap as some may suggest. It supposedly draws moisture from the
>> wood and starts rusting/corrosion.
>>
>Interesting - had not heard that before.
Just try it - steel screws into oak with soap on them produce "iron
stain" if there's any moisture around. Plain or unwaxed screws in the
same piece don't.
--
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:33:23 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Edwin
> Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> KY? We're talking about scr . . . . . . Yeah, that'd work
>
>
> Nope. KY's water based.
I think we've blundered into discussing a different sort of screw...
--
Joe Wells
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:20:55 GMT, Rolling Thunder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>What are the benefits of waxing wood screws before use?
Easier to drive them in.
>Would candle stick wax do?
Yes. Personally I use beeswax, because it's softer and easier to
apply. I've usually got both within reach.
--
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> "Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~" writes:
>
> > > >A little dab will do you.
> > >
> > > I thought that was the slogan for KY?
>
> Actually, it was Brill Cream, AKA: "greasy kids stuff."
Actually it was "Brylcreem", IIRC.
>
> Absolutely mandatory if you wore your hair in a DA.
>
> (Ducks Ass) for you youngsters.
AKA a "Hollywood" ... and "pomade" was the glue of choice around here for
the front of the flat top, so it would stand up ... will never forget the
smell of either.
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Grandpa wrote:
>I bought a cheap toilet bowl ring (wax), broke it up and dumped it into
>a soup can, then heated it w/ a propane torch so it would melt and
>settle. Works like a champ.
Are toilet bowl rings still made of beeswax? The ones at my local
hardware store store don't say what type of wax they're made from. I'm
guessing that the manufacturers have found something cheaper than
beeswax to use.
R,
Tom Q.
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:43:38 -0500, Tom Quackenbush
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Are toilet bowl rings still made of beeswax?
I dunno, but I've found canning wax to work well at a low price.
Barry
For furniture? I don't THINK so...
David
George wrote:
> Matter of fact, cement-coated (CC) nails are specified in some codes.
>
> Stop to think what making the nails come out easily would do, rather than
> what government should or could.
>
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>If there are building codes pertaining to the use of wax on nails used
>>for furniture building, then then government has exceeded it's bounds.
>>
>>David
>>
>>Richard Cline wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It is my understanding that waxing nails is not a good idea. In fact I
>>>believe that some building codes make it illegal.
>>>
>>>Dick
>
>
>
"RonB" <[email protected]> writes:
> Bar-soap works too.
Bar soap includes water, and helps the screws start rusting.
RonB notes:
>> Do not use soap as some may suggest. It supposedly draws moisture from the
>> wood and starts rusting/corrosion.
>>
>Interesting - had not heard that before. I have used either soap or canning
>wax for years and hadn't noticed much difference. Kinda makes sense though.
I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with steel
screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
Charlie Self
"Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a
pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
patrick conroy wrote:
>Charles Spitzer wrote:
>>Charlie Self wrote:
>> > I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with
>steel screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
>>
>> hydroscopic
>
>Either... But not hydrophilic.
Are you sure that either is correct? I believe that hygroscopic is
correct, but the only definition I could find for hydroscopic has it
as the adjective form of hydroscope - a device used to see beneath the
water.
R,
Tom Q.
Tom Quackenbush asks:
>patrick conroy wrote:
>>Charles Spitzer wrote:
>>>Charlie Self wrote:
>
>>> > I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with
>>steel screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
>>>
>>> hydroscopic
>>
>>Either... But not hydrophilic.
>
> Are you sure that either is correct? I believe that hygroscopic is
>correct, but the only definition I could find for hydroscopic has it
>as the adjective form of hydroscope - a device used to see beneath the
>water
Hygroscopic means that it readily takes up and retains moisture, which is what
I meant.
Charlie Self
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character,
give him power." Abraham Lincoln
"Charles Spitzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with
steel
> > screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
>
> hydroscopic
Either... But not hydrophilic.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RonB notes:
>
>>> Do not use soap as some may suggest. It supposedly draws moisture from
>>> the
>>> wood and starts rusting/corrosion.
>>>
>>Interesting - had not heard that before. I have used either soap or
>>canning
>>wax for years and hadn't noticed much difference. Kinda makes sense
>>though.
>
> I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with steel
> screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
hydroscopic
> Charlie Self
> "Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself
> a
> pleasure." Ambrose Bierce
>
Tom Quackenbush wrote:
>patrick conroy wrote:
>>> > I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with
>>steel screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
>>>
>>> hydroscopic
>>
>>Either... But not hydrophilic.
>
> Are you sure that either is correct? I believe that hygroscopic is
>correct, but the only definition I could find for hydroscopic has it
>as the adjective form of hydroscope - a device used to see beneath the
>water.
I think now that you were speaking tongue-in-cheek, since
hydrophilic means "having an affinity for water".
I still think that Charles I had it right with "hygroscopic", though.
R,
Tom Q.
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:50:38 -0700, "Charles Spitzer"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
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>hydroscopic
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Tom Quackenbush wrote:
>patrick conroy wrote:
>>Charles Spitzer wrote:
>>>Charlie Self wrote:
>
>>> > I think the word is hygroscopic. It is most noticeable in oak, with
>>steel screws, as the area surrounding them rapidly turns black.
>>>
>>> hydroscopic
>>
>>Either... But not hydrophilic.
>
> Are you sure that either is correct? I believe that hygroscopic is
>correct, but the only definition I could find for hydroscopic has it
>as the adjective form of hydroscope - a device used to see beneath the
>water.
>
>R,
>Tom Q.
>
I think Hygroscopic deals with the property of drawing moisture from
the air (humidity) and hydroscopic deals with drawing water in its
liquid form. There must be a chemist among us to clarify.
Reminds me of Dr. Nick Riviera's (The Simpson's) revelation in the
ashes of his clinic, next to the oxygen tank, when he proclaimed, "So
flammable and inflammable are the same thing?"
"Norm Dresner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Yes, it will work to decrease the friction between the surface of the
> screw
> and the wood and make it turn easier. While I prefer Bee's Wax. I was
> originally taught to run the screw through my hair. In the '50s most of
> us
> used a greasy enough hair preparation to qualify. These days the normal
> oils
> found on a person's hair are marginally usable unless you happen to be
> "lucky" enough to have oily hair and are a carpenter.
>
> Norm
>
That would have worked in 1958 when I used Brylcream. I just tried it and
all I got was scrapes on my head.