RH

"Rob H."

09/02/2012 4:04 AM

What is it? Set 427

The latest set has been posted:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/


Rob


This topic has 49 replies

TS

Ted Schuerzinger

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 9:08 PM

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:47:19 -0500, Rob H. wrote:

> I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
> opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people
> here have probably opened on at least one occasion.

Champagne? Or wine in general?

20 years ago I went to the "old country" (Germany) with my parents. My
father brought with him a wine bottle opener that was "better" than a
corkscrew: it had two tines that went on either side of the cork between
the cork and the bottle, after which you twist to remove the cork,
leaving no hole in the cork.

The first time he demonstrated it for one of our relatives, he broke the
cork, leaving pieces of cork at the bottom of the bottle, much to the
delight of our relatives, who found it a laugh riot.

--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

ZY

Zz Yzx

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:41 PM

>20 years ago I went to the "old country" (Germany) with my parents. My
>father brought with him a wine bottle opener that was "better" than a
>corkscrew: it had two tines that went on either side of the cork between
>the cork and the bottle, after which you twist to remove the cork,
>leaving no hole in the cork.
>
>The first time he demonstrated it for one of our relatives, he broke the
>cork, leaving pieces of cork at the bottom of the bottle, much to the
>delight of our relatives, who found it a laugh riot.

You don't "twist" those tools, you wiggle them back and forth in the
same plane as the tines.

-Zz

Kk

Kenefick

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:20 AM

2473 cigar cutter?
2474 towel holder?
2475 glass cutter?
2476 first thought was a hat jig. after the other photos, no clue.
2477 oil can remover? HFS in the 60s = Harbor Freight Tools now
2478 fumergator?


On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

ZY

Zz Yzx

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:39 PM

>> 2473 - Bottle opener
>
>
>I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
>opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people here
>have probably opened on at least one occasion.

A BROWN BOTTLE OPENER!

-Zz

g

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 9:03 PM

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:49:22 -0500, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"axolotl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/9/2012 6:03 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>>> 2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> 2477 is a device to press glazier's points into a picture frame.
>>
>> Kevin Gallimore
>
>
>Thanks! I'll pass this on to the person who sent the photo, they got it in
>a box lot that they had purchased at an auction.
More specificly for picture framing bradswhich somewhat resemble horse
shoe nails ~3/4" long with a flat back and tappered shaft.

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 4:38 PM

"Cliff Hartle" <[email protected]> writes:
>I think they still sell them.
>
>
>"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "axolotl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/9/2012 6:03 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>>>> 2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2477 is a device to press glazier's points into a picture frame.
>>>
>>> Kevin Gallimore
>>
>>
>> Thanks! I'll pass this on to the person who sent the photo, they got it
>> in a box lot that they had purchased at an auction.
>

Lee Valley does:

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32117&cat=1,43293

scott

aJ

[email protected] (Jerry OHIO)

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 7:33 PM

2478- I have one !
The mica window is to see if the Rooster did his job ! Knocked up the
hen !

Jerry

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/MyWoodWorkingPage

aJ

[email protected] (Jerry OHIO)

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 7:36 PM

I put #2 diesel in mine to keep the mosquitoes away

Jerry

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/MyWoodWorkingPage

SM

"Stormin Mormon"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 8:21 AM

2473 vacuum cleaner nozzle for under the sofa?
2474 the round ball probably has female threads? Which makes it a towel
holder.
2475, some kind of wrench, but what?
2476 looks a bit like the "ink balls" that were used to put ink on old
movable type printing pressess. The ball is coated with leather, of course.
There's a historic site within driving distance of me that has ink balls.
2477, gee whiz. Harbor Freight is still in business. You could contact them,
and see if someone at the office knows. Me, sorry, not sure.
2478, something based on a wick type oil lamp. Beyond that, I'm guessing.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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The latest set has been posted:

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Rob

GR

Gerald Ross

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:35 PM

Rob H. wrote:
>
> "WW"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H."<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>
>
>>
>> 2478 Hen House heater?
>
> Yes, otherwise known as a brooder
>
>> 2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.
>
> Correct, if it's too dry then egg shells can stick to hatching chicks.
>
> One use for this device has still gone unanswered.
>
>
>
Candling eggs?

--
Gerald Ross

Let's organize this thing and take all
the fun out of it.





aa

"anorton"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 8:56 AM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

2478: Humidifier, fumigator and deodorizer?

Wc

"WW"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 1:46 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

2478 Hen House heater?

LE

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 1:07 PM

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61***[email protected]> fired this volley
in news:[email protected]:

> There's a historic site within driving distance of me that has ink
> balls.

Yeah, but Stormy, those balls are filled with wool, not wood. One letter
off!

Lloyd

g

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 9:18 PM

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:04:15 -0500, "Rob H." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>
>
>>
>> 2478 Hen House heater?
>
>Yes, otherwise known as a brooder
>
>> 2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.
>
>Correct, if it's too dry then egg shells can stick to hatching chicks.
>
>One use for this device has still gone unanswered.
>
>
IIRC the eggs are hatched in an "incubater" and thebaby chicks are
kept warm under the hood of a "brooder" This unit would be the
heat/humidity source probably used in conjunction with a
thermostaticly controled venting system for the incubator.

SM

"Stormin Mormon"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

14/02/2012 9:32 AM

I realize that I owe you some pictures of the mortise lock latch. Havn't
been to where I have my mortise lock stored.

The wooden ball looks a LOT like the ink balls used for old movable type
printing press.

If you open this photo in your browser:
http://www.lds.org/Static%20Images/PlacesToVisit/feb19-upload/GrandinInterior7-Detail.jpg
In the foreground is a wooden railing that keeps the public back. The
corner of the railing points to a black table, and on the table are two such
ink balls.

This is the page that hosts the picture I sent:
http://www.lds.org/placestovisit/eng/historical-sites/book-of-mormon-publication-site-grandin-building
The Grandin Building is about 15 minutes drive from where I live.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> 2475, some kind of wrench, but what?


The leather handle has a picture of a landscape with a moose, I thought it
could be for an outdoorsman but maybe it's just a general purpose
combination tool. Also the wooden ball is still unidentified but the rest
of the answers have been posted and can be seen here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/02/set-427.html#answers


Rob


AT

Alexander Thesoso

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:03 AM

2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?


On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

am

axolotl

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:25 AM

On 2/9/2012 6:03 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> 2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?
>
>
> On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>

2477 is a device to press glazier's points into a picture frame.

Kevin Gallimore

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 1:54 PM

On 2/9/12 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

2476 — How about a form for making pinatas? Marco Polo discovered them
on his China trip. Nowadays, you might use a balloon for a form.

It looks as if you could make a paper-mache pinata up to 53 degrees
north of the equator, like Dublin or Liverpool, and still get the wedges
out after withdrawing the center piece. Then you could put in the
goodies and attach a paper-mache cap. Perhaps this would be more rigid
and could be filled fuller than if you made a pinata out of two hemispheres.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:47 PM


"Harry Vaderchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:op.v9en4zr11r0rdn@dell3100...
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:04:37 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2473 - Bottle opener


I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people here
have probably opened on at least one occasion.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:49 PM


"axolotl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/9/2012 6:03 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>> 2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>
> 2477 is a device to press glazier's points into a picture frame.
>
> Kevin Gallimore


Thanks! I'll pass this on to the person who sent the photo, they got it in
a box lot that they had purchased at an auction.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:53 PM


> 2474 towel holder?

Looks like I should have taken the photo from a lower angle so it would be
more obvious that the slot that you can see on the lower right is a key
hole.






>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:56 PM


"anorton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 2478: Humidifier, fumigator and deodorizer?

The first one is correct! I'll give a hint, it was for use on a farm.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:58 PM


"Gerald Ross" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rob H. wrote:
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2378 Hand warmer...


Not technically correct but you're on the right track for one of the uses
for this device.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:04 PM


"WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob


>
> 2478 Hen House heater?

Yes, otherwise known as a brooder

> 2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.

Correct, if it's too dry then egg shells can stick to hatching chicks.

One use for this device has still gone unanswered.


Ab

"Artemus"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:32 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>
>
>>
>> 2478 Hen House heater?
>
> Yes, otherwise known as a brooder
>
>> 2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.
>
> Correct, if it's too dry then egg shells can stick to hatching chicks.
>
> One use for this device has still gone unanswered.
>
Egg candler?
Art

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:53 PM

>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2478 Hen House heater?
>>
>> Yes, otherwise known as a brooder
>>
>>> 2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.
>>
>> Correct, if it's too dry then egg shells can stick to hatching chicks.
>>
>> One use for this device has still gone unanswered.
>>
> Egg candler?
> Art


Egg candler is correct, the round part on the cover is made of mica and was
probably a lot more clear when it was new.

CH

"Cliff Hartle"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 8:25 PM

I think they still sell them.


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "axolotl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/9/2012 6:03 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
>>> 2476 Sand-casting pattern for a cannon ball?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2012 4:04 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> 2477 is a device to press glazier's points into a picture frame.
>>
>> Kevin Gallimore
>
>
> Thanks! I'll pass this on to the person who sent the photo, they got it
> in a box lot that they had purchased at an auction.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 4:59 AM


"Ted Schuerzinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:47:19 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
>> opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people
>> here have probably opened on at least one occasion.
>
> Champagne? Or wine in general?
>


Champagne opener is correct.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 5:08 PM


> 2475, some kind of wrench, but what?


The leather handle has a picture of a landscape with a moose, I thought it
could be for an outdoorsman but maybe it's just a general purpose
combination tool. Also the wooden ball is still unidentified but the rest
of the answers have been posted and can be seen here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/02/set-427.html#answers


Rob

Ab

"Artemus"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 2:41 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>> 2475, some kind of wrench, but what?
>
>
> The leather handle has a picture of a landscape with a moose, I thought it could be
> for an outdoorsman but maybe it's just a general purpose combination tool. Also
> the wooden ball is still unidentified but the rest of the answers have been posted
> and can be seen here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/02/set-427.html#answers
>
>
> Rob

The tip of 2475 looks like a fish hook remover. So perhaps it is
a fisherman's tool? The notches on the side could be matched to
the nuts on a reel.
Art

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

11/02/2012 10:15 AM


"Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> 2475, some kind of wrench, but what?
>>
>>
>> The leather handle has a picture of a landscape with a moose, I thought
>> it could be for an outdoorsman but maybe it's just a general purpose
>> combination tool. Also the wooden ball is still unidentified but the
>> rest of the answers have been posted and can be seen here:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/02/set-427.html#answers
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> The tip of 2475 looks like a fish hook remover. So perhaps it is
> a fisherman's tool? The notches on the side could be matched to
> the nuts on a reel.
> Art

Could be, I'll see if I can find anything similar on the web.

JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

14/02/2012 2:24 PM

On 2/14/12 9:32 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I realize that I owe you some pictures of the mortise lock latch. Havn't
> been to where I have my mortise lock stored.
>
> The wooden ball looks a LOT like the ink balls used for old movable type
> printing press.
>
> If you open this photo in your browser:
> http://www.lds.org/Static%20Images/PlacesToVisit/feb19-upload/GrandinInterior7-Detail.jpg
> In the foreground is a wooden railing that keeps the public back. The
> corner of the railing points to a black table, and on the table are two such
> ink balls.

Functionally, I think it would be a disadvantage for an ink ball to be a
full sphere or to come apart.

It has been suggested that this was a form to make medicine balls.
Originally, they were only approximately round. They were sewed inside
out like pincushions.

More recent medicine balls had polar caps, suggesting that they were
sewn on forms. The caps I've seen are much too small to remove the four
largest wedges of the mystery form. Small wedges were more important
for making basketballs because it was important to remove them without
cutting the reinforcing cords.

The four large wedges suggest to me that it may have been to make
pinatas. You'd stick the stem in a hole in your bench, wax the wood,
wrap it with paper mache, remove the top by cutting a latitude line
larger than the Arctic Circle around the stem, remove the form, and use
more paper mache to stick the top back on. A pinata didn't have to be
strong like a basketball.

Dd

DanG

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

14/02/2012 6:05 PM

On 2/14/2012 8:32 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I realize that I owe you some pictures of the mortise lock latch. Havn't
> been to where I have my mortise lock stored.
>
> The wooden ball looks a LOT like the ink balls used for old movable type
> printing press.
>
> If you open this photo in your browser:
> http://www.lds.org/Static%20Images/PlacesToVisit/feb19-upload/GrandinInterior7-Detail.jpg
> In the foreground is a wooden railing that keeps the public back. The
> corner of the railing points to a black table, and on the table are two such
> ink balls.
>

> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/02/set-427.html#answers



Those aren't full round balls, they are for applying the ink to the
plates. They are stuffed very firmly with wool and the skin is leather.
I don't see any way that a wooden ball could work. I liked the pinata
idea - the segmented wooden ball must be for taking it apart after some
type of ball was formed.

--


___________________________________

Keep the whole world singing . . .
Dan G
remove the seven

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

15/02/2012 7:37 AM


>I realize that I owe you some pictures of the mortise lock latch. Havn't
> been to where I have my mortise lock stored.


No problem, if at some point in time you can send some photos, great, if you
never get around to it that's fine too.


> The wooden ball looks a LOT like the ink balls used for old movable type
> printing press.
>
> If you open this photo in your browser:
>
> http://www.lds.org/Static%20Images/PlacesToVisit/feb19-upload/GrandinInterior7-Detail.jpg


I agree with Dan that the ink balls were stuffed with wool and were not
solid wood.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

15/02/2012 8:07 AM


> More recent medicine balls had polar caps, suggesting that they were
> sewn on forms. The caps I've seen are much too small to remove the four
> largest wedges of the mystery form.


I don't know for sure how they make medicine balls, but I would guess they
would sew the top half first, then flip it over to work on the bottom, when
half of the bottom panels are complete they could pull out some wedges and
rotate the leather, then continue in this manner until complete.


> The four large wedges suggest to me that it may have been to make pinatas.
> You'd stick the stem in a hole in your bench, wax the wood, wrap it with
> paper mache, remove the top by cutting a latitude line larger than the
> Arctic Circle around the stem, remove the form, and use more paper mache
> to stick the top back on. A pinata didn't have to be strong like a
> basketball.

I figured that most round pinatas were made by using a balloon for support.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but if you find any sources on
wood pinata forms I'd be happy to take a look at them.

Someone had told me that 8" was too small for a medicine ball but I found
one that size on this page:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/85465782/fabulous-antique-leather-medicine-ball











JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

16/02/2012 3:12 AM

On 2/15/12 8:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>
>> More recent medicine balls had polar caps, suggesting that they were
>> sewn on forms. The caps I've seen are much too small to remove the
>> four largest wedges of the mystery form.
>
>
> I don't know for sure how they make medicine balls, but I would guess
> they would sew the top half first, then flip it over to work on the
> bottom, when half of the bottom panels are complete they could pull out
> some wedges and rotate the leather, then continue in this manner until
> complete.
>
>
>> The four large wedges suggest to me that it may have been to make
>> pinatas. You'd stick the stem in a hole in your bench, wax the wood,
>> wrap it with paper mache, remove the top by cutting a latitude line
>> larger than the Arctic Circle around the stem, remove the form, and
>> use more paper mache to stick the top back on. A pinata didn't have to
>> be strong like a basketball.
>
> I figured that most round pinatas were made by using a balloon for
> support. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but if you find
> any sources on wood pinata forms I'd be happy to take a look at them.
>
> Someone had told me that 8" was too small for a medicine ball but I
> found one that size on this page:
>
> http://www.etsy.com/listing/85465782/fabulous-antique-leather-medicine-ball
>

If you find any sources showing medicine balls being sewed on wooden
forms, I'd be happy to look at them. Here's one from the 1950s:
http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=1941
Even then, they weren't perfectly round. It seems to me it would have
been much easier to sew without a form, especially if one used a sewing
machine.

Balloons became available about 1889, for 4¢ apiece, which would be $1
nowadays. Before that, what would they have used except wooden forms?
Even after balloons were available, making dozens of pinatas for annual
festivals would have been cheaper with wooden forms, and the wooden form
would have made it easier to cut the pinata open to fill with candy.

RH

"Rob H."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

16/02/2012 5:14 AM

>
> If you find any sources showing medicine balls being sewed on wooden
> forms, I'd be happy to look at them. Here's one from the 1950s:
> http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=1941
> Even then, they weren't perfectly round. It seems to me it would have
> been much easier to sew without a form, especially if one used a sewing
> machine.
>
> Balloons became available about 1889, for 4¢ apiece, which would be $1
> nowadays. Before that, what would they have used except wooden forms?
> Even after balloons were available, making dozens of pinatas for annual
> festivals would have been cheaper with wooden forms, and the wooden form
> would have made it easier to cut the pinata open to fill with candy.


You make some good points, I've been searching for pinata forms and medicine
ball forms and have had the same luck with both, I'll let everyone know if
find anything. Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be for a totally
different purpose.

SW

"Steve W."

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

16/02/2012 1:05 PM

J Burns wrote:
> On 2/15/12 8:07 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> More recent medicine balls had polar caps, suggesting that they were
>>> sewn on forms. The caps I've seen are much too small to remove the
>>> four largest wedges of the mystery form.
>>
>> I don't know for sure how they make medicine balls, but I would guess
>> they would sew the top half first, then flip it over to work on the
>> bottom, when half of the bottom panels are complete they could pull out
>> some wedges and rotate the leather, then continue in this manner until
>> complete.
>>
>>
>>> The four large wedges suggest to me that it may have been to make
>>> pinatas. You'd stick the stem in a hole in your bench, wax the wood,
>>> wrap it with paper mache, remove the top by cutting a latitude line
>>> larger than the Arctic Circle around the stem, remove the form, and
>>> use more paper mache to stick the top back on. A pinata didn't have to
>>> be strong like a basketball.
>> I figured that most round pinatas were made by using a balloon for
>> support. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but if you find
>> any sources on wood pinata forms I'd be happy to take a look at them.
>>
>> Someone had told me that 8" was too small for a medicine ball but I
>> found one that size on this page:
>>
>> http://www.etsy.com/listing/85465782/fabulous-antique-leather-medicine-ball
>>
>
> If you find any sources showing medicine balls being sewed on wooden
> forms, I'd be happy to look at them. Here's one from the 1950s:
> http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=1941
> Even then, they weren't perfectly round. It seems to me it would have
> been much easier to sew without a form, especially if one used a sewing
> machine.
>
> Balloons became available about 1889, for 4¢ apiece, which would be $1
> nowadays. Before that, what would they have used except wooden forms?
> Even after balloons were available, making dozens of pinatas for annual
> festivals would have been cheaper with wooden forms, and the wooden form
> would have made it easier to cut the pinata open to fill with candy.

I would bet that the wooden form is for sand molding the rough shape for
a valve cavity. One of the local outfits uses nice aluminum ones now but
wood is a LOT lighter and easier to work with for the previous generation.

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JB

J Burns

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

17/02/2012 5:21 AM

On 2/16/12 11:05 PM, DoN. Nichols wrote:
> On 2012-02-16, Rob H.<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you find any sources showing medicine balls being sewed on wooden
>>> forms, I'd be happy to look at them. Here's one from the 1950s:
>>> http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=1941
>>> Even then, they weren't perfectly round. It seems to me it would have
>>> been much easier to sew without a form, especially if one used a sewing
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> Balloons became available about 1889, for 4¢ apiece, which would be $1
>>> nowadays. Before that, what would they have used except wooden forms?
>>> Even after balloons were available, making dozens of pinatas for annual
>>> festivals would have been cheaper with wooden forms, and the wooden form
>>> would have made it easier to cut the pinata open to fill with candy.
>>
>>
>> You make some good points, I've been searching for pinata forms and medicine
>> ball forms and have had the same luck with both, I'll let everyone know if
>> find anything. Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be for a totally
>> different purpose.
>
> Have you spelled it right in your searches? It really should be
> "piñata", which can be difficult to generate depending on your keyboard
> and computer OS, and in case it is not properly displayed on your
> computer, it is an 'n' with a '~' above it. Not sure how forgiving the
> search engines are about that.
>
> Good luck,
> DoN.
>
Thanks, DoN.
http://www.ehow.com/info_7931025_papermache-mexican-folk-art-projects.html
This page say Mexicans still use wooden forms to make table displays,
wall displays, clowns, and angels. They mold the paper mache around the
form, then cut the paper mache in two.

This page says wooden forms for paper mache are called takaan.
http://creeksideartgallery.com/db/forsale.pl/13/wood_molds.html

This page says molding paper mache toys on wooden forms became very
popular after American newspapers became available and declined when
plastic toys arrived.
http://www.artesdelasfilipinas.com/archives/6/paete-s-taka

Wc

"WW"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 1:49 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob


2478 Maybe a humidifier? 2nd guess.

HV

"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 9:47 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:04:37 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:

> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob


2473 - Bottle opener
2474 - Nose ring!
2475 - folding spanner - a cyclists tool, including spoke adjuster and
bottle opener!
2476 - leather football former
2477 - hot plate gripper?
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HV

"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 9:57 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:47:13 -0000, Harry Vaderchi <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:04:37 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> The latest set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> 2473 - Bottle opener
> 2474 - Nose ring!
> 2475 - folding spanner - a cyclists tool, including spoke adjuster and
> bottle opener!
> 2476 - leather football former
> 2477 - hot plate gripper?
2478 - still

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"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 10:05 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:47:19 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Harry Vaderchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:op.v9en4zr11r0rdn@dell3100...
>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:04:37 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The latest set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>
>> 2473 - Bottle opener
>
>
> I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
> opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people
> here have probably opened on at least one occasion.

Well beer bottle obviously; metal cap on glass bottle e.g.
http://www.bathales.com/our-ales/aid/gem/

I didn't think it was a corkscrew!

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"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

10/02/2012 10:22 AM


2474: Slave collar?


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"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

12/02/2012 6:10 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:39:23 -0000, Zz Yzx <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> 2473 - Bottle opener
>>
Wasn't it me wot said that?
>>
>> I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
>> opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people
>> here
>> have probably opened on at least one occasion.
>
> A BROWN BOTTLE OPENER!
>
> -Zz

Air ye a jurdie mun? (other brown ales are available!)


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"Harry Vaderchi"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

12/02/2012 6:10 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:59:34 -0000, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Ted Schuerzinger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:47:19 -0500, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I should give you about a 90% on this answer, it _is_ a bottle
>>> opener but it's for a specific kind of bottle, one which most people
>>> here have probably opened on at least one occasion.
>>
>> Champagne? Or wine in general?
>>
>
>
> Champagne opener is correct.

Booger!

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Theodore Edward Stosterone

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 6:44 PM

>> 2378 Hand warmer...
>
>
>Not technically correct but you're on the right track for one of the uses
>for this device.

Testicle warmer.

DN

"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

17/02/2012 4:05 AM

On 2012-02-16, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> If you find any sources showing medicine balls being sewed on wooden
>> forms, I'd be happy to look at them. Here's one from the 1950s:
>> http://www.contextclothing.com/item.php?id=1941
>> Even then, they weren't perfectly round. It seems to me it would have
>> been much easier to sew without a form, especially if one used a sewing
>> machine.
>>
>> Balloons became available about 1889, for 4¢ apiece, which would be $1
>> nowadays. Before that, what would they have used except wooden forms?
>> Even after balloons were available, making dozens of pinatas for annual
>> festivals would have been cheaper with wooden forms, and the wooden form
>> would have made it easier to cut the pinata open to fill with candy.
>
>
> You make some good points, I've been searching for pinata forms and medicine
> ball forms and have had the same luck with both, I'll let everyone know if
> find anything. Wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be for a totally
> different purpose.

Have you spelled it right in your searches? It really should be
"piñata", which can be difficult to generate depending on your keyboard
and computer OS, and in case it is not properly displayed on your
computer, it is an 'n' with a '~' above it. Not sure how forgiving the
search engines are about that.

Good luck,
DoN.

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Gerald Ross

in reply to "Rob H." on 09/02/2012 4:04 AM

09/02/2012 3:36 PM

Rob H. wrote:
> The latest set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

2473 Tailpipe extension

2378 Hand warmer, cigar lighter, coffee warmer.

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