I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I had
left over from other projects.
The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to cut
3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I did that
yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I get
for working when I am tired.
I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glued
them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd planned
to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. If the
grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
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"Chasgroh" wrote:
> ...quote from one of my most treasured mentors: "...you know a good
> carpenter by how good he covers his fuckups..."
>
> I loved that man!
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Applies to many professions.
Politics comes to mind.
I've always operated on the philosophy that I'd rather be lucky than
good.
Lew
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
> because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I
> had left over from other projects.
>
> The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
> stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to
> cut 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I
> did that yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the
> stiles.
>
> ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I
> get for working when I am tired.
>
> I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and
> glued them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd
> planned to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright.
> If the grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks
> at the joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design
> feature :)
Almost been there almost done that countless times. Having built several
hundred doors this way I saw this coming before you mentioned it. It is a
pisser.
I use Sketchup for design and I draw those tennons and fortunately the total
length needed is caught by Cutlist 4.0 when it imports into Cutlist Plus. I
do not have to give it a second thought after the drawing is completed.
On May 22, 3:59=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/22/2010 11:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. =A0It has been kinda f=
un
> > because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I=
had
> > left over from other projects.
>
> > The last thing I had to do was make the doors. =A0I cut all the rails a=
nd
> > stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was t=
o cut
> > 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. =A0I d=
id that
> > yesterday afternoon. =A0I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
>
> > ARRRGGGG! =A0Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. =A0That's wh=
at I get
> > for working when I am tired.
>
> > I just finished stretching the stiles. =A0I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" squar=
e
> > pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and g=
lued
> > them on. =A0Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd pl=
anned
> > to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. =A0I=
f the
> > grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at t=
he
> > joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. =A0A design featu=
re =A0:)
>
> It's like music: If you make a mistake, do it again and they'll think
> you're playing Jazz...
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-- -
> Tim Daneliuk =A0 =A0 [email protected]
> PGP Key: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
Like that. Mind if I use it sometime?
Rene
In article <[email protected]>,
dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
> ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I
> get for working when I am tired.
I'm glad it's not just me that does stupid things like that.
Chasgroh wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:12:31 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:46:50 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> If the
>>> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks
>>> at the joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A
>>> design feature :)
>>
>> Now you know why some "classic" woodwork has "extra" design elements
>> in places ;-)
>>
>> John
>
> ...quote from one of my most treasured mentors: "...you know a good
> carpenter by how good he covers his fuckups..."
>
> I loved that man!
>
> cg
Had that said to me when I was a very young apprentice some 50 years ago
when I made my very first serious "fuck-up" and told to "get on and sort it
out" without help from the 'master' - and it has certainly stood the test of
time for me.
And I must admit, I never made the same mistake again. LOL
Cash
On 5/22/2010 11:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
> because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I had
> left over from other projects.
>
> The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
> stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to cut
> 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I did that
> yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
>
> ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I get
> for working when I am tired.
>
> I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glued
> them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd planned
> to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. If the
> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
> joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
>
It's like music: If you make a mistake, do it again and they'll think
you're playing Jazz...
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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
Oh boy.... I made a similar mistake in the other direction.
I build a kitchen island and had to make 6 doors. 4 were
identical and the remaining 2 were larger but should have been identical.
I assembled (glued up) the last two and one of them was 1 inch wider
then the other!
arrrrrr!!!!
Could not understand what happened. Looked at the drawings
and puzzled over this, then it hit me! On the wider door the additional
inch was from the 2 half inch tenons on the rail. Rather cutting them
to what the drawing showed as the correct length I added another inch to
accommodate the tenons!!! Thought about this for a day or so (I did not
have enough material to make an additional door) then
carefully cut the rails at the joint with the styles at both ends of the
rails then re-cut the tenons and mortise in the style.
Not only measure twice but read the plan twice!
Marty
On 5/22/2010 12:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
> because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I had
> left over from other projects.
>
> The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
> stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to cut
> 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I did that
> yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
>
> ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short<sob>. That's what I get
> for working when I am tired.
>
> I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glued
> them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd planned
> to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. If the
> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
> joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
>
On May 22, 11:24=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/22/2010 9:12 PM, Rene wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 22, 3:59 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 5/22/2010 11:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
> >>> I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. =A0It has been kinda=
fun
> >>> because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff=
I had
> >>> left over from other projects.
>
> >>> The last thing I had to do was make the doors. =A0I cut all the rails=
and
> >>> stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was=
to cut
> >>> 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. =A0I=
did that
> >>> yesterday afternoon. =A0I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles=
.
>
> >>> ARRRGGGG! =A0Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. =A0That's =
what I get
> >>> for working when I am tired.
>
> >>> I just finished stretching the stiles. =A0I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" squ=
are
> >>> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and=
glued
> >>> them on. =A0Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd =
planned
> >>> to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. =
=A0If the
> >>> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at=
the
> >>> joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. =A0A design fea=
ture =A0:)
>
> >> It's like music: If you make a mistake, do it again and they'll think
> >> you're playing Jazz...
>
> >> --
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----- -
> >> Tim Daneliuk =A0 =A0 [email protected]
> >> PGP Key: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>
> > Like that. Mind if I use it sometime?
> > Rene
>
> Sure, but it's not original and I don't know the original attribution ...
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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> Tim Daneliuk =A0 =A0 [email protected]
> PGP Key: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
I'll just be using it in conversation anyway lol.
On May 22, 10:46=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ouch... SNIP of a painful experience...
> I just finished stretching the stiles. =A0I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glu=
ed
> them on. =A0Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd plan=
ned
> to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. =A0If =
the
> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
> joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. =A0A design feature=
=A0:)
You are now approaching "professional" quality of cabinet making. If
I were going to be finishing it in clear, I would have made sure that
I would have used a contrasting piece of wood for the "ornamentation",
and made sure I put it right where everyone would intentionally
notice.
I would have probably put the "aesthetic enhancement" right in the
middle of the stile so it didn't miss any attention, and used a nice M/
T joint to make sure it looked completely intentional.
After all - in the end, it was, right?
;^)
Robert
On 5/22/10 9:24 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote:
>>> It's like music: If you make a mistake, do it again and they'll think
>>> you're playing Jazz...
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>>> Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
>>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>>
>> Like that. Mind if I use it sometime?
>> Rene
>
> Sure, but it's not original and I don't know the original attribution ...
>
The way I usually hear it is...
"Play the wrong chord once, it's a mistake. Play it again, and it's
jazz."
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:46:50 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
>because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I had
>left over from other projects.
>
>The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
>stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to cut
>3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I did that
>yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
>
>ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I get
>for working when I am tired.
>
>I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
>pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glued
>them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd planned
>to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. If the
>grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
>joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
Tijuana chic, BillyBob.
--
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when
they do it from religious conviction. - Blaise Pascal
On Sat, 22 May 2010 13:12:31 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:46:50 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>> If the
>>grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
>>joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
>
>Now you know why some "classic" woodwork has "extra" design elements
>in places ;-)
>
>John
...quote from one of my most treasured mentors: "...you know a good
carpenter by how good he covers his fuckups..."
I loved that man!
cg
On Sat, 22 May 2010 12:46:50 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
[snip]
> If the
>grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
>joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
Now you know why some "classic" woodwork has "extra" design elements
in places ;-)
John
On 5/22/2010 9:12 PM, Rene wrote:
> On May 22, 3:59 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 5/22/2010 11:46 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've been making a cabinet for our screen porch. It has been kinda fun
>>> because I bought nothing (except hinges) to make it, been using stuff I had
>>> left over from other projects.
>>
>>> The last thing I had to do was make the doors. I cut all the rails and
>>> stiles and grooved same for the panel a day or so ago, last thing was to cut
>>> 3/8" stub tenons on the rail ends to fit into the stile grooves. I did that
>>> yesterday afternoon. I also cut tenons into the ends of the stiles.
>>
>>> ARRRGGGG! Now the damn stiles are 3/4" too short <sob>. That's what I get
>>> for working when I am tired.
>>
>>> I just finished stretching the stiles. I cut a bunch of 1 1/2" square
>>> pieces (stiles and rails are 1 1/2 wide), cut appropriate grooves and glued
>>> them on. Other than being a pain to do, that would be fine if I'd planned
>>> to paint the door frames but I didn't, plan to finish them bright. If the
>>> grain mismatch looks too awful, guess I'll cut shallow "V" quircks at the
>>> joints AND in the rails...sort of like corner blocks. A design feature :)
>>
>> It's like music: If you make a mistake, do it again and they'll think
>> you're playing Jazz...
>>
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -
>> Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
>> PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/
>
> Like that. Mind if I use it sometime?
> Rene
Sure, but it's not original and I don't know the original attribution ...
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