AS always, Lee valley has some. Look here;
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49888&cat=1,46168,46171&ap=1
You may want to check the currency - my links are set for $CAN and you may
want USD - even cheaper.
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal) plywood?
> I've checked:
> Whiteside
> Eagle America
> Infinity
> CMT
> Freud
> MLCS
> Woodline
> Rockler
> Grizzly
> Woodworker's Supply
> Price cutter
>
> No luck
>
> Max
>
Roy Smith wrote:
> Yeah, but your typical router doesn't include a cooling fluid deluge system
> and a wrap-around safety enclosure like these big CNC machines do.
>
Nor does it need them. 25K is well within the safe rpms for these tool
bits. Just be careful ... they tend to be razor sharp when new.
Bill
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Max wrote:
> "Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:29:31 GMT, "Max" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Would someone tell me how an item like a 11/32 router bit could cost $9.96
>>> to "ship"?
>> Well there's the "Sharp Objects Inside" sticker to tell UPS not to
>> play kickball with this one... I've actually gotten packages with a
>> sticker like that, just so you don't think I'm completely making this
>> up.
>>
>> Most every store has a minimum shipping charge. Even Lee Valley will
>> charge you $7.50.
>>
>>
>> -Leuf
>
> From Lee Valley I don't mind $7.50. <BG>
> I just came in from the shop. I had been "perusing" my router bit collection
> and lo and behold, I found an 11/32 bit. It "appears" to be from Eagle
> America. (looks like their bits).
> I need to do an inventory. If I can get a rountoit. <G>
>
> Max
>
Gimmee your snail-mail address ... I've got a dozen or so here. ;-)
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Max wrote:
> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal)
> plywood?
If you can't find/don't want to buy here are a couple of solutions...
1. Make a square router plate with the edges at varying distances to
center; for example, -1/32, -1/16, -1/8. Use a 1/4" bit and the
widest side of the plate for pass #1 then turn router so appropriately
narrower side is used to guide for additional passes.
2. Make a 1/4" dado and rabbet the ply as necessary. My favorite as
the shoulder on the ply tells you when it is fully in the dado.
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:29:31 GMT, "Max" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Would someone tell me how an item like a 11/32 router bit could cost $9.96
>to "ship"?
Well there's the "Sharp Objects Inside" sticker to tell UPS not to
play kickball with this one... I've actually gotten packages with a
sticker like that, just so you don't think I'm completely making this
up.
Most every store has a minimum shipping charge. Even Lee Valley will
charge you $7.50.
-Leuf
Max wrote:
| Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal)
| plywood?
Max...
If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com. Part
numbers are:
1-428-SEM343-2 11/32 with 2 flutes
1-428-SEM343-3 11/32 with 3 flutes
1-428-SEM343-4 11/32 with 4 flutes
They're all listed at US$23.24
<insert standard disclaimer>
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
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Doug Miller wrote:
| In article <[email protected]>, "Morris Dovey"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
|| 11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com.
| [snip]
|
| <displaying my ignorance here, no doubt>
|
| Those OK to run at router speeds (25Krpm) ? I was under the
| impression that
| milling machines ran at considerably slower speeds, and would
| hesitate to use
| a mill in a router.
Doug...
They generally work at least as well as router bits, are more
consistantly sharp, and frequently cost less. Nearly all of the end
mills in my catalogs are labeled "center cutting", which means you can
plunge straight down.
Of course you can have any profile you want so long as it's straight.
:-)
I thought the same thing a couple of the guys on a CNC ng told me
about some of the larger faster mills that cut metals at feeds and
speeds make 25kRPM sound pretty slow. There're some pretty scary
machines out there!
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Morris Dovey wrote:
| If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
| 11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com. Part
| numbers are:
|
| 1-428-SEM343-2 11/32 with 2 flutes
| 1-428-SEM343-3 11/32 with 3 flutes
| 1-428-SEM343-4 11/32 with 4 flutes
|
| They're all listed at US$23.24
I also found one at http://www.use-enco.com that you might want to
look over
p/n 619-1298 11/32 with 2 flutes for $16.94 (also with 3/8" shank)
| <insert standard disclaimer>
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
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dadiOH wrote:
> Max wrote:
>> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal)
>> plywood?
>
> If you can't find/don't want to buy here are a couple of solutions...
>
> 1. Make a square router plate with the edges at varying distances to
> center; for example, -1/32, -1/16, -1/8. Use a 1/4" bit and the
> widest side of the plate for pass #1 then turn router so appropriately
> narrower side is used to guide for additional passes.
>
> 2. Make a 1/4" dado and rabbet the ply as necessary. My favorite as
> the shoulder on the ply tells you when it is fully in the dado.
>
3.) A parallel sided dado jig, known around here as "Leon's Jig", used
with a 1/4" bit. The jig adjusts to the thickness of each piece of
plywood. It's even self-squaring. Line up the jig to what will be the
top of each shelf, and let the bottom of the dado fall where the ply
thickness tells it to.
Here's one version:
<http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/dado.html>
Max wrote:
> One could easily invest a
> considerable amount in attempting to acquire router bits to cover every
> eventuality. My bit inventory grows with almost every new project. ;-(
You could pony up a one-time, 20-30 minute, investment building Leon's
jig and do it all with only an undersized 1/4" bit and a standard 1/2"
straight bit.
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:29:31 GMT, "Max" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Would someone tell me how an item like a 11/32 router bit could cost $9.96
>>to "ship"?
>
> Well there's the "Sharp Objects Inside" sticker to tell UPS not to
> play kickball with this one... I've actually gotten packages with a
> sticker like that, just so you don't think I'm completely making this
> up.
>
> Most every store has a minimum shipping charge. Even Lee Valley will
> charge you $7.50.
>
>
> -Leuf
From Lee Valley I don't mind $7.50. <BG>
I just came in from the shop. I had been "perusing" my router bit collection
and lo and behold, I found an 11/32 bit. It "appears" to be from Eagle
America. (looks like their bits).
I need to do an inventory. If I can get a rountoit. <G>
Max
"Roger Haar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> Amazon has a two sets of plywood sized bits from Freud, # 89-650 & 90-106.
>
> Same set at Woodworker supply:
> http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=947-051
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Haar
> Tucson, AZ
But, But, I can't find the 11/32 bit by itself and I just bought a set of 3
bits for 1/4", 1/2", and 3/4" ply from Infinity. :-(
Thanks,
Max
"Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lkLni.4440$SM6.4221@trnddc01...
> Max,
> I think the words 'dadoes' and 'nominal' give a strong hint as to what you
> want to DO. Not to be a 'smart-ass', and the milling cutters discussion is
> informative, but I think everybody is 'overthinking' the issue - Or I'm
> completely out of the loop.
>
> With almost NO ply made in the US - to 'our' dimensions - most seems to be
> actually made to the METRIC standard. For 'convenience it is shelf-labeled
> in the usual 1/4, 1/2, etc., with the slightly truer size 'bracketed' in
> 32nds. STILL not millimeters, but close. And of course you get the 'loose'
> rabbits & dadoes when using 'standard' bits.
>
> To counter this, a number of companies market bits {and sets} that are to
> the 'imported' dimensions. They are in the 'usual' sizes - 1/4, 1/2, 3/4.
> I'm not sure if they make a 4-bit set. If you really are using a 3/8 ply,
> I
> would either check with the supplier, or 'mike' the ply in several
> places -
> get an average - then convert that to millimeters - and look for a METRIC
> bit.
>
> Regards & Good Luck,
> Ron Magen
Agreed. I have "miked" the ply and you're correct; the fractional sizes are
not quite precise. But they're close enough for the work in which I am
presently engaged.
It even depends on the source of the plywood. For example, when I get
plywood from Austin Hardwoods (locally) it measures slightly differently
from what I get from Lowe's or Home Depot. One could easily invest a
considerable amount in attempting to acquire router bits to cover every
eventuality. My bit inventory grows with almost every new project. ;-(
Max
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote in news:BaOni.38821$YL5.12669
> @newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> Max wrote:
>>> One could easily invest a
>>> considerable amount in attempting to acquire router bits to cover every
>>> eventuality. My bit inventory grows with almost every new project. ;-(
>>
>> You could pony up a one-time, 20-30 minute, investment building Leon's
>> jig and do it all with only an undersized 1/4" bit and a standard 1/2"
>> straight bit.
>>
>
> Barry's right. You need to cut to fit, as easily and accurately as
> possible.
>
> It comes down to the measuring of the ply. Much of the time, even when
> paying for some pretty good stuff, thickness may not even be consistent
> side to side, or end to end, in a given sheet. And on some days, may
> change notably.
>
> Besides, it's easier to have a couple of good bits, and a couple of
> backups, than a box of bits that might, almost, maybe someday work right.
>
> And since you really can't fit it effectively with a handplane, what else
> are you going to do?
>
> Patriarch,
> taking all of this with just a touch of salt. Caulk it up, and be done
> with it. ;-)
Well............yeah............ but then I wouldn't get to buy new "stuff"
every now and then.
I'm going to invest 20-30 minutes building Leon's jig anyway. I'll *chalk*
it up to a learning experience.
Max
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
> They generally work at least as well as router bits, are more
> consistantly sharp, and frequently cost less. Nearly all of the end
> mills in my catalogs are labeled "center cutting", which means you can
> plunge straight down.
>
> Of course you can have any profile you want so long as it's straight.
> :-)
>
> I thought the same thing a couple of the guys on a CNC ng told me
> about some of the larger faster mills that cut metals at feeds and
> speeds make 25kRPM sound pretty slow. There're some pretty scary
> machines out there!
You are correct. End mills are basically the only bits I've used in a plunge
router for the past few years. It is the only type bit, AFAIK, sold for use
with the Multi-Router, which uses a router of your choice to drive the boat.
You turned me on to these guys: www.kbctools.com
And, for the OP, I've also had good luck with spiral upcut, two or four
flute, "end mills" of extra lengths, available for deep mortises, they are
often cheaper. Last time I ordered, the 1/4", 5/16", and 3/8" 4 flute end
mills were $16, $19, and $27 respectively.
www.travers.com
PDF of their catalog online at:
https://www.travers.com/htdocs/catalogs.shtml
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B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote in news:BaOni.38821$YL5.12669
@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
> Max wrote:
>> One could easily invest a
>> considerable amount in attempting to acquire router bits to cover every
>> eventuality. My bit inventory grows with almost every new project. ;-(
>
> You could pony up a one-time, 20-30 minute, investment building Leon's
> jig and do it all with only an undersized 1/4" bit and a standard 1/2"
> straight bit.
>
Barry's right. You need to cut to fit, as easily and accurately as
possible.
It comes down to the measuring of the ply. Much of the time, even when
paying for some pretty good stuff, thickness may not even be consistent
side to side, or end to end, in a given sheet. And on some days, may
change notably.
Besides, it's easier to have a couple of good bits, and a couple of
backups, than a box of bits that might, almost, maybe someday work right.
And since you really can't fit it effectively with a handplane, what else
are you going to do?
Patriarch,
taking all of this with just a touch of salt. Caulk it up, and be done
with it. ;-)
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2Flni.8025$fj5.5148@trnddc08...
> Max wrote:
>> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal)
>> plywood?
>
> If you can't find/don't want to buy here are a couple of solutions...
>
> 1. Make a square router plate with the edges at varying distances to
> center; for example, -1/32, -1/16, -1/8. Use a 1/4" bit and the
> widest side of the plate for pass #1 then turn router so appropriately
> narrower side is used to guide for additional passes.
>
> 2. Make a 1/4" dado and rabbet the ply as necessary. My favorite as
> the shoulder on the ply tells you when it is fully in the dado.
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
That's the process I've been using but I figured *someone* must make a bit
for 3/8" ply.
Morris tipped me off to an end mill and I think it will work.
Max
Hi,
Amazon has a two sets of plywood sized bits from Freud, # 89-650 & 90-106.
Same set at Woodworker supply:
http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=947-051
Thanks,
Roger Haar
Tucson, AZ
Max wrote:
> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal) plywood?
> I've checked:
> Whiteside
> Eagle America
> Infinity
> CMT
> Freud
> MLCS
> Woodline
> Rockler
> Grizzly
> Woodworker's Supply
> Price cutter
>
> No luck
>
> Max
>
>
Max wrote:
> "Roger Haar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Amazon has a two sets of plywood sized bits from Freud, # 89-650 & 90-106.
>>
>> Same set at Woodworker supply:
>> http://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=947-051
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roger Haar
>> Tucson, AZ
>
> But, But, I can't find the 11/32 bit by itself and I just bought a set of 3
> bits for 1/4", 1/2", and 3/4" ply from Infinity. :-(
Freud 16-096
http://freud-tools.stores.yahoo.net/freudmorbit.html
Took about 10 minutes, max... :)
Did you try Amana Tools and/or CMT?
Might fire a note off to John Wirth and Woodworkers Supply -- he's
always looking for "stuff" to add. Printed catalog only shows down to
1/2" nominal for his undersized ply set, but mine is old and didn't look
online...
--
Max wrote:
> "dpb" wrote
>
>> Freud 16-096
>>
>> http://freud-tools.stores.yahoo.net/freudmorbit.html
>>
>> Took about 10 minutes, max... :)
>>
>> Did you try Amana Tools and/or CMT?
>>
>> Might fire a note off to John Wirth and Woodworkers Supply -- he's always
>> looking for "stuff" to add. Printed catalog only shows down to 1/2"
>> nominal for his undersized ply set, but mine is old and didn't look
>> online...
>
> Tried Amana *and* CMT, but in my haste I might have overlooked, or didn't
> look long enough. :-(
I didn't look elsewhere, either, and cheated just a little as someone
else had already mentioned Freud had a set that included it so I just
looked up the set and got the individual product number there and put
that in the search engine.
I'm surprised Amana Tool doesn't, but you probably got off at half the
cost of "blue", though... :)
I didn't do any looking for any other Freud distributors that might have
more favorable small ticket shipping, but, unless they will use USPS
first class for small items such as this, they're certainly not getting
rich off skimming the cream off what they're charging for shipping by
the time figure in actual UPS charges plus anything at all for their
handling, order processing, etc.
imo, etc., ...
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In article <[email protected]>, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote:
>| In article <[email protected]>, "Morris Dovey"
>| <[email protected]> wrote:
>|
>|| If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
>|| 11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com.
>| [snip]
>|
>| <displaying my ignorance here, no doubt>
>|
>| Those OK to run at router speeds (25Krpm) ? I was under the impression that
>| milling machines ran at considerably slower speeds, and would hesitate to use
>| a mill in a router.
>
>Doug...
>
>They generally work at least as well as router bits, are more
>consistantly sharp, and frequently cost less. Nearly all of the end
>mills in my catalogs are labeled "center cutting", which means you can
>plunge straight down.
Useful to know.
>
>Of course you can have any profile you want so long as it's straight.
>:-)
Just like the Model T Ford, eh?
>
>I thought the same thing a couple of the guys on a CNC ng told me
>about some of the larger faster mills that cut metals at feeds and
>speeds make 25kRPM sound pretty slow. There're some pretty scary
>machines out there!
>
Thanks, Morris -- I'll look into that next time I need something of the sort.
--
Regards,
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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Max wrote:
> | Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal)
> | plywood?
>
> Max...
>
> If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
> 11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com. Part
> numbers are:
>
> 1-428-SEM343-2 11/32 with 2 flutes
> 1-428-SEM343-3 11/32 with 3 flutes
> 1-428-SEM343-4 11/32 with 4 flutes
>
> They're all listed at US$23.24
>
> <insert standard disclaimer>
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Thanks, Morris. I should have thought of end mills. Duh. <G>
Max
Max,
I think the words 'dadoes' and 'nominal' give a strong hint as to what you
want to DO. Not to be a 'smart-ass', and the milling cutters discussion is
informative, but I think everybody is 'overthinking' the issue - Or I'm
completely out of the loop.
With almost NO ply made in the US - to 'our' dimensions - most seems to be
actually made to the METRIC standard. For 'convenience it is shelf-labeled
in the usual 1/4, 1/2, etc., with the slightly truer size 'bracketed' in
32nds. STILL not millimeters, but close. And of course you get the 'loose'
rabbits & dadoes when using 'standard' bits.
To counter this, a number of companies market bits {and sets} that are to
the 'imported' dimensions. They are in the 'usual' sizes - 1/4, 1/2, 3/4.
I'm not sure if they make a 4-bit set. If you really are using a 3/8 ply, I
would either check with the supplier, or 'mike' the ply in several places -
get an average - then convert that to millimeters - and look for a METRIC
bit.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal) plywood?
SNIP
Doug Brown wrote:
> AS always, Lee valley has some. Look here;
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49888&cat=1,46168,46171&ap=1
>
> You may want to check the currency - my links are set for $CAN and you may
> want USD - even cheaper.
> "Max" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Does anybody make a router bit for dadoes to fit 3/8" (nominal) plywood?
>> I've checked:
>> Whiteside
I didn't see any 3/8 inchers there.
--
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Cochran, GA
The key to flexibility is indecision.
I didn't see any bits for 3/8 ply there. but thanks for the URL
Max
"Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> AS always, Lee valley has some. Look here;
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49888&cat=1,46168,46171&ap=1
In article <[email protected]>, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you have (or are willing to buy) a 3/8" collet, you can order an
>11/32" solid carbide end mill from http://www.kbctools.com.
[snip]
<displaying my ignorance here, no doubt>
Those OK to run at router speeds (25Krpm) ? I was under the impression that
milling machines ran at considerably slower speeds, and would hesitate to use
a mill in a router.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I thought the same thing a couple of the guys on a CNC ng told me
> about some of the larger faster mills that cut metals at feeds and
> speeds make 25kRPM sound pretty slow. There're some pretty scary
> machines out there!
Yeah, but your typical router doesn't include a cooling fluid deluge system
and a wrap-around safety enclosure like these big CNC machines do.
"BillinDetroit" wrote
> Max wrote:
>> I need to do an inventory. If I can get a rountoit. <G>
>>
>> Max
>
> Gimmee your snail-mail address ... I've got a dozen or so here. ;-)
>
>
> --
> I'm not not at the above address.
> http://nmwoodworks.com
My wife screens all rountoits to make sure they conform to her agenda. <G>
Max
"dpb" wrote
> Freud 16-096
>
> http://freud-tools.stores.yahoo.net/freudmorbit.html
>
> Took about 10 minutes, max... :)
>
> Did you try Amana Tools and/or CMT?
>
> Might fire a note off to John Wirth and Woodworkers Supply -- he's always
> looking for "stuff" to add. Printed catalog only shows down to 1/2"
> nominal for his undersized ply set, but mine is old and didn't look
> online...
Tried Amana *and* CMT, but in my haste I might have overlooked, or didn't
look long enough. :-(
The Freud has been ordered. $15.11. But with "shipping", it's $25.07
Would someone tell me how an item like a 11/32 router bit could cost $9.96
to "ship"?
But, thanks, it does solve my problem.
And I will send a note to Wirth.
Max