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Eric

06/07/2008 11:27 PM

help with angle cut on table saw

I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3 pieces will
eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the triangle
uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to cut the
long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it will make a
60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and 10
inches wide on each side. I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough. Each 4 ft
piece is a runner, one on each side of the peak (so 6 pieces total)
How do i set up the table saw to cut the long edge pieces so that when they
come together i get a total angle of 60 degrees?
I looked at running the board through on edge with the blade tilted 30 degrees
away from the fence but the base of the blade is very close to the fence if i
do it that way and i dont think thats right so i havnt actually made that cut
yet, seems wrong somehow. I'd appreciate any hints tips etc
Thanks
Eric


This topic has 6 replies

LA

Limp Arbor

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

08/07/2008 4:45 AM

On Jul 7, 2:27=A0am, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
> Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3 pieces wil=
l
> eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the tria=
ngle
> uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to cut =
the
> long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it will ma=
ke a
> 60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and 10
> inches wide on each side. I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough. Each=
4 ft
> piece is a runner, one on each side of the peak (so 6 pieces total)
> How do i set up the table saw to cut the long edge pieces so that when th=
ey
> come together i get a total angle of 60 degrees?
> I looked at running the board through on edge with the blade tilted 30 de=
grees
> away from the fence but the base of the blade is very close to the fence =
if i
> do it that way and i dont think thats right so i havnt actually made that=
cut
> yet, seems wrong somehow. I'd appreciate any hints tips etc
> Thanks
> Eric

If you don't have a tenoning jig for your saw you can make one like
this:
http://www.newwoodworker.com/pnlrasjig.html

Then you could just clamp the board to the jig and slide it along the
fence.

You are right not to try it 'freehand'.

If you have a miter saw you could also make the cut with that by
placing the board straight in. Again you would need to clamp the
board to safely hold it.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

08/07/2008 7:56 AM


"bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can't you just set the blade tilt to 30 degrees and run each piece through
> inside face down against the miter (miter set to 90 degrees)? When you
> put the two edges together, 30+30 = 60 degrees?


Probably not, triangle angles are difficult to cut on a TS. Cutting at 30
degrees would result in a six sided frame.
Using the blade tilt gauge or miter angle gauge you would need to be able to
cut at 60 degrees to have a closed 3 sided frame.

To end up with a closed frame the "cut"angle degrees need to add up to 360
degrees. Typically you determine the needed angle setting by dividing the
sides into 360 and then dividing by 2. Same with a triangle.

If your TS blade or miter gauge could be set to 60 degrees or greater you
could cut the triangle angles needed. The only way to cut at 60 degrees on
a TS is turn the piece 90 degrees from the normal position and then set the
blade or miter angle to 30 degrees. Having the end of the board against the
fence on the miter gauge is difficult to do on narrow pieces.

bb

"bob"

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

07/07/2008 9:41 PM

Can't you just set the blade tilt to 30 degrees and run each piece through
inside face down against the miter (miter set to 90 degrees)? When you put
the two edges together, 30+30 = 60 degrees?


"Eric" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
> Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3 pieces will
> eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the
> triangle
> uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to cut
> the
> long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it will
> make a
> 60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and 10
> inches wide on each side. I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough. Each
> 4 ft
> piece is a runner, one on each side of the peak (so 6 pieces total)
> How do i set up the table saw to cut the long edge pieces so that when
> they
> come together i get a total angle of 60 degrees?
> I looked at running the board through on edge with the blade tilted 30
> degrees
> away from the fence but the base of the blade is very close to the fence
> if i
> do it that way and i dont think thats right so i havnt actually made that
> cut
> yet, seems wrong somehow. I'd appreciate any hints tips etc
> Thanks
> Eric
>

LA

Limp Arbor

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

08/07/2008 5:37 AM

On Jul 7, 2:27=A0am, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
> Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3 pieces wil=
l
> eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the tria=
ngle
> uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to cut =
the
> long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it will ma=
ke a
> 60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and 10
> inches wide on each side. I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough. Each=
4 ft
> piece is a runner, one on each side of the peak (so 6 pieces total)
> How do i set up the table saw to cut the long edge pieces so that when th=
ey
> come together i get a total angle of 60 degrees?
> I looked at running the board through on edge with the blade tilted 30 de=
grees
> away from the fence but the base of the blade is very close to the fence =
if i
> do it that way and i dont think thats right so i havnt actually made that=
cut
> yet, seems wrong somehow. I'd appreciate any hints tips etc
> Thanks
> Eric

If you don't have a tenoning jig for your saw you can make one like
this:
http://www.newwoodworker.com/pnlrasjig.html

Then you could just clamp the board to the jig and slide it along the
fence.

You are right not to try it 'freehand'.

If you have a miter saw you could also make the cut with that by
placing the board straight in. Again you would need to clamp the
board to safely hold it.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

08/07/2008 2:54 AM

"Eric" wrote:

> I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
> Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3
> pieces will
> eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the
> triangle
> uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to
> cut the
> long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it
> will make a
> 60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and
> 10
> inches wide on each side.
<snip>

This jobs begs for a 30 Degree jig and a router with a straight bit.

You clamp the part in the jig, the jig has a surface for the router,
equipped with an edge guide, to slide on such that the bottom of the
straight bit cuts the desired 30 degree surface.

Make one pass, turn the piece end for end, re-clamp, make final pass.

Take your time making the jig, all angular errors will result in a
cumulative error.

IMHO, definitely NOT a table saw job.

Lew


DG

"David G. Nagel"

in reply to Eric on 06/07/2008 11:27 PM

08/07/2008 11:05 AM

Limp Arbor wrote:
> On Jul 7, 2:27 am, Eric <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm making a 4 foot tall triangular structure.
>> Each side of the triangle structure is a separate piece. All 3 pieces will
>> eventually be joined at each point of the triangle. Each side of the triangle
>> uses two 1.5" x .75" boards 4 feet long, one at each edge. I need to cut the
>> long pieces so that when 2 sides of the triangle come together it will make a
>> 60 degree angle. I'll end up with a triangular tower 4 feet tall and 10
>> inches wide on each side. I hope I'm explaining this clearly enough. Each 4 ft
>> piece is a runner, one on each side of the peak (so 6 pieces total)
>> How do i set up the table saw to cut the long edge pieces so that when they
>> come together i get a total angle of 60 degrees?
>> I looked at running the board through on edge with the blade tilted 30 degrees
>> away from the fence but the base of the blade is very close to the fence if i
>> do it that way and i dont think thats right so i havnt actually made that cut
>> yet, seems wrong somehow. I'd appreciate any hints tips etc
>> Thanks
>> Eric
>
> If you don't have a tenoning jig for your saw you can make one like
> this:
> http://www.newwoodworker.com/pnlrasjig.html
>
> Then you could just clamp the board to the jig and slide it along the
> fence.
>
> You are right not to try it 'freehand'.
>
> If you have a miter saw you could also make the cut with that by
> placing the board straight in. Again you would need to clamp the
> board to safely hold it.
>

Attach a sacrificial board to the fence. This will enable you to move
the fence right up to to the saw blade without damaging the blade or the
fence.
If you don't want to use tenons to attach the sides together you can use
biscuits.

Dave N


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