Sears 14 inch bandsaw on closeout, 428 bucks.

"J. Clarke" wrote
>
> This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux advocacy.
>
>
I have NO intention of getting involved in that war.

But I did see an interesting tagline on another group. It went something
like this, "If Macs are so good, why don't they run linux?" I am certain
that will enrage some folks.

It reminds me of that vegetarian joke. If God did not intend for us to eat
meat, he would not have made it taste so good.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". The store
> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price this is a
> really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
> release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes, I do have one
> and have had it for over a year.
>
> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
I replaced the tension knob on my Jet BS with a crank. It works quite well
and I take the tension off every time I quit using the saw. It is much
cheaper than the tension release lever and I think it is less of a Rube
Golderg arrangement anyway.

On Feb 10, 8:19=A0am, "Sac Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
> >> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". =A0The stor=
e
> >> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. =A0For that price this is=
a
> >> really nice saw. =A0Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
> >> release and there's no obvious way to add one. =A0And yes, I do have o=
ne
> >> and have had it for over a year.
>
> >> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
> >> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
> >> --
> >> --
> >> --John
> >> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> >> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
> > Best of luck. =A0I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many years=
ago.
> > I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed parts but inste=
ad
> > were trashed. =A0Guess what parts were available.... things like the co=
rd
> > and a chuck. =A0They don't want you to fix them, they want you to buy n=
ew
> > ones.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Jim
>
> 30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from them no=
w
> except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put their own twist on
> things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears tools if it's electr=
ic
> it will break if it's gas don't worry it wont start. Sears needs to get b=
ack
> to their roots quality product and a decent price. I have some old
> craftsman's power tools 35+ years they just don't stop going.- Hide quote=
d text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Feb 10, 8:19=A0am, "Sac Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
> >> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". =A0The stor=
e
> >> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. =A0For that price this is=
a
> >> really nice saw. =A0Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
> >> release and there's no obvious way to add one. =A0And yes, I do have o=
ne
> >> and have had it for over a year.
>
> >> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
> >> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
> >> --
> >> --
> >> --John
> >> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> >> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
> > Best of luck. =A0I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many years=
ago.
> > I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed parts but inste=
ad
> > were trashed. =A0Guess what parts were available.... things like the co=
rd
> > and a chuck. =A0They don't want you to fix them, they want you to buy n=
ew
> > ones.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Jim
>
> 30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from them no=
w
> except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put their own twist on
> things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears tools if it's electr=
ic
> it will break if it's gas don't worry it wont start. Sears needs to get b=
ack
> to their roots quality product and a decent price. I have some old
> craftsman's power tools 35+ years they just don't stop going.- Hide quote=
d text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm not going to put a blanket bash on Sears/Craftsman, but I don't
buy their mechanics tools anymore. The wrenches are not accurate and
the metal is not hard enough. I know this from experience. For sockets
etc, I don't mind them, but I'm constantly getting ratchets replaced.
I recently got two slot screwdrivers replaced because the blade
deforned (twisted) when I tried to remove a stubborn screw. I grabbed
on of those cheap "checkout line" multiple bit screwdrivers and easily
got the screw out without any visible effect on the tool. That's just
sad.

I actually do a lot more mechanic work than woodworking (non-
professional), but I am phasing out all of my Craftsman stuff.

I guess I ended up bashing after all, but this is from my own
experience, and it's justified. What really galls me now is that
they've added a new "professional series" of mechanics tools. When I
was a teenager, the everyday Craftsman wrenches were top quality and
there was no need for the "deluxe" series. Sigh.

Tom

"Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
>> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". The store
>> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price this is a
>> really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
>> release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes, I do have one
>> and have had it for over a year.
>>
>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
>> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>>
>
> Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many years ago.
> I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed parts but instead
> were trashed. Guess what parts were available.... things like the cord
> and a chuck. They don't want you to fix them, they want you to buy new
> ones.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from them now
except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put their own twist on
things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears tools if it's electric
it will break if it's gas don't worry it wont start. Sears needs to get back
to their roots quality product and a decent price. I have some old
craftsman's power tools 35+ years they just don't stop going.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:12:33 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Sac Dave wrote:
>> "Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14
>>>> inch band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued".
>>>> The store I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that
>>>> price this is a really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would
>>>> want is a tension release and there's no obvious way to add one.
>>>> And yes, I do have one and have had it for over a year.
>>>>
>>>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on
>>>> the Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> --John
>>>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>>>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many
>>> years ago. I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed
>>> parts but instead were trashed. Guess what parts were
>>> available....
>>> things like the cord and a chuck. They don't want you to fix them,
>>> they want you to buy new ones.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>> 30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from
>> them now except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put their
>> own twist on things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears
>> tools if it's electric it will break if it's gas don't worry it wont
>> start. Sears needs to get back to their roots quality product and a
>> decent price. I have some old craftsman's power tools 35+ years they
>> just don't stop going.
>
>Look, I didn't intend to start a pissing contest about how lousy Sears
>is. I was walking through the store and saw a price that I consider
>to be very attractive on something I paid more for and found to be
>completely satisfactory and mentioned it in case anybody might want
>one.
>
>This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux advocacy.
>
>

But you'll find quality power tools using a PC, Linux box, or even a
Mac to shop online, but not at Sears.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Phisherman wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux
>>> advocacy.
>>
>> But you'll find quality power tools using a PC, Linux box, or even a
>> Mac to shop online, but not at Sears.
>
> Do I need to bring the goat in here?

Sure. We'll roast almost anything.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". The store
> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price this is a
> really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
> release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes, I do have one
> and have had it for over a year.
>
> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>

Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many years ago.
I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed parts but instead
were trashed. Guess what parts were available.... things like the cord and
a chuck. They don't want you to fix them, they want you to buy new ones.

Cheers,
Jim

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". The store
> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price this is a
> really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
> release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes, I do have one
> and have had it for over a year.
>
> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>

You know the Rigid BS is in that price range and it sure looks a lot like my
Jet.

Lowell Holmes wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14
>> inch band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued".
>> The
>> store I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price
>> this is a really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want
>> is
>> a tension release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes,
>> I
>> do have one and have had it for over a year.
>>
>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on
>> the Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>
> You know the Rigid BS is in that price range and it sure looks a lot
> like my Jet.

Yeah, I looked at the Ridgid when I got mine. Even at the then price
on the Sears with no discounts by the time I had an equivalent saw I'd
have been out more money with the Ridgid.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
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Jim2009 wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14
>> inch band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued".
>> The
>> store I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price
>> this is a really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want
>> is
>> a tension release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes,
>> I
>> do have one and have had it for over a year.
>>
>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on
>> the Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>>
>
> Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many
> years
> ago. I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed parts
> but instead were trashed. Guess what parts were available....
> things
> like the cord and a chuck. They don't want you to fix them, they
> want you to buy new ones.

Had no problems getting parts for any Sears tool I have. But I don't
have any Craftsman portable tools except an angle grinder.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Sac Dave wrote:
> "Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14
>>> inch band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued".
>>> The store I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that
>>> price this is a really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would
>>> want is a tension release and there's no obvious way to add one.
>>> And yes, I do have one and have had it for over a year.
>>>
>>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on
>>> the Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> --John
>>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many
>> years ago. I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that needed
>> parts but instead were trashed. Guess what parts were
>> available....
>> things like the cord and a chuck. They don't want you to fix them,
>> they want you to buy new ones.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
> 30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from
> them now except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put their
> own twist on things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears
> tools if it's electric it will break if it's gas don't worry it wont
> start. Sears needs to get back to their roots quality product and a
> decent price. I have some old craftsman's power tools 35+ years they
> just don't stop going.

Look, I didn't intend to start a pissing contest about how lousy Sears
is. I was walking through the store and saw a price that I consider
to be very attractive on something I paid more for and found to be
completely satisfactory and mentioned it in case anybody might want
one.

This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux advocacy.


--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Lee Michaels wrote:
> "J. Clarke" wrote
>>
>> This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux
>> advocacy.
>>
>>
> I have NO intention of getting involved in that war.
>
> But I did see an interesting tagline on another group. It went
> something like this, "If Macs are so good, why don't they run
> linux?"
> I am certain that will enrage some folks.
>
> It reminds me of that vegetarian joke. If God did not intend for us
> to eat meat, he would not have made it taste so good.

For some reason I am put in mind of the bumper sticker I once saw:
"NUKE the unborn gay whales."

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:57:58 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> But I did see an interesting tagline on another group. It went
>> something like this, "If Macs are so good, why don't they run
>> linux?" I am certain that will enrage some folks.
>
> Since both Linux and Mac O/Ss are derived from Unix, they are in
> essence both running the same thing :-).

Just being pedantic but OS/X is derived from BSD which was derived
from AT&T source but has since been sanitized of that. Linux was
always a clone with no AT&T code.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Phisherman wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:12:33 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sac Dave wrote:
>>> "Jim2009" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their
>>>>> 14
>>>>> inch band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued".
>>>>> The store I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that
>>>>> price this is a really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I
>>>>> would
>>>>> want is a tension release and there's no obvious way to add one.
>>>>> And yes, I do have one and have had it for over a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate
>>>>> on
>>>>> the Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> --John
>>>>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>>>>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck. I stopped buying any corded tool from Sears many
>>>> years ago. I had a Craftman drill, skilsaw, and jigsaw that
>>>> needed
>>>> parts but instead were trashed. Guess what parts were
>>>> available....
>>>> things like the cord and a chuck. They don't want you to fix
>>>> them,
>>>> they want you to buy new ones.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>> 30 years ago sears tools were great I would not buy anything from
>>> them now except wrenches and sockets. Sears always has to put
>>> their
>>> own twist on things or there better idea . When it comes to Sears
>>> tools if it's electric it will break if it's gas don't worry it
>>> wont
>>> start. Sears needs to get back to their roots quality product and
>>> a
>>> decent price. I have some old craftsman's power tools 35+ years
>>> they
>>> just don't stop going.
>>
>> Look, I didn't intend to start a pissing contest about how lousy
>> Sears is. I was walking through the store and saw a price that I
>> consider to be very attractive on something I paid more for and
>> found to be completely satisfactory and mentioned it in case
>> anybody
>> might want one.
>>
>> This brainless sears bashing is as tiresome as Mac and Linux
>> advocacy.
>>
>>
>
> But you'll find quality power tools using a PC, Linux box, or even a
> Mac to shop online, but not at Sears.

Do I need to bring the goat in here?

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:15:26 GMT, "Lowell Holmes"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Was in Sears today and happened to notice that they have their 14 inch
>> band saw on closeout for 428 bucks, marked "discontinued". The store
>> I was in had two floor models and one boxed. For that price this is a
>> really nice saw. Only thing it lacks that I would want is a tension
>> release and there's no obvious way to add one. And yes, I do have one
>> and have had it for over a year.
>>
>> Note that there also appears to be a ten percent mail-in rebate on the
>> Sears site--that would take the price to under 400.
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
>> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>>
>>
>I replaced the tension knob on my Jet BS with a crank. It works quite well
>and I take the tension off every time I quit using the saw. It is much
>cheaper than the tension release lever and I think it is less of a Rube
>Golderg arrangement anyway.
>

I did the same. Made a wooden crank from a chunk of pallet wood,
screw, and washer. No modifications to the saw required. It was
almost free or get a $150 lever attachment accessory add-on kit.

For $400 better quality used can be found, maybe a Jet, Delta,
Powermatic, possibly a Laguna or General, if you keep looking in local
classified ads.

snip
I guess I ended up bashing after all, but this is from my own
experience, and it's justified. What really galls me now is that
they've added a new "professional series" of mechanics tools. When I
was a teenager, the everyday Craftsman wrenches were top quality and
there was no need for the "deluxe" series. Sigh.

Tom

I think this is the issue that the old timers (I'm included) remember when
Craftsman was equal to what Snap-on is today, or at least we thought so.
They may be moving in that direction again. My son worked for a motorcycle
dealer for a while. The mechanics bought a lot of Craftsman wrenches because
if one broke, Sears replaced it.

Imported crap is imported crap, it doesn't matter what label you put on it.

I have no doubt that John's saw does what he wants to do with it. If that is
the case, it's a good value for him. Mark Dugenske has Craftsman bandsaws in
his shop. Michael Fortune has Ridgid bandsaws in his shop. Both guys have
Delta's or equal in their shops.

I have a shop full of Rockwell, Delta, PC, and DW tools in my shop. They
have cheapened the products with their imports to the point, I'll probably
buy Steel City If I need to replace one. I'm happy with Jet tools at this
time. If I buy a mini-lathe, it will probably be a Jet.

If I buy handtools, I expect them to come out of the box working. I will
probably buy Lee Valley or LN, however, Wenzloff, Grammecy, and Blue Spruce
are names I will look at.

I received a wooden spokeshave for Christmas that came from Traditional
Woodworking Tools that is great.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:57:58 -0500, Lee Michaels wrote:

> But I did see an interesting tagline on another group. It went something
> like this, "If Macs are so good, why don't they run linux?" I am
> certain that will enrage some folks.

Since both Linux and Mac O/Ss are derived from Unix, they are in essence
both running the same thing :-).

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It reminds me of that vegetarian joke. If God did not intend for us to eat
> meat, he would not have made it taste so good.

Vegetables is what food eats.