I just copped a deal to get (nearly) free crate runners from a scrap pile
in a major manufacturer near Detroit. (yawn)
They are 8/4 x 4" goncalo alves in various lengths up to about 6'. (bling
bling!)
The deal? I have to replace the runners my source gives me with an equal
amount of 'real' firewood. Since I get the 'real' firewood for little
more than the energy to load it into my pickup truck, and since I only
have to drive a little less than a mile to deliver it, I'm going to call
"gloat". ;-)
Bill
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:18:10 -0500, "George" <George@least> wrote:
>
>"Tom Storey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:g4Tff.545255$tl2.149417@pd7tw3no...
>>I would certainly buy into this idea. I see no reason why some of the
>>exotics could not be part of a suststainable harvesting plan in their
>>native lands. The farmers would probably make more from the trees by
>>selling the wood than they do selling the crops they are clearing the land
>>to grow.
>>
>
>The reason they clear to grow/graze is there's not enough to eat. Having
>cash means little if there's nothing to buy. Ask any inhabitant of a
>communist or formerly communist state.
>
While much of what you say is true, at the same time, since they would
have a marketable commodity, the ability to import food to buy while
exporting lumber would be a readily attainable condition. There *is* an
ample supply of food worldwide, the ability to import should not be an
impediment as long as they have something with which to trade.
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Well, there were some drastic pictures this week of major damage being
done to the rainforests in South America. It's real.
Most, from what I know, of that wood is just burned. It's ONLY after
someone realized that there could be a market for the wood does it
bring in some sense into play. Managed forests can be both beautiful
and substaining a commercial trade.
Years ago, Ipe was just slash wood. Now it's a viable commerical
product.
Just as duckhunters are the most "vocal" group promoting duck
viability, perhaps as woodworkers we should be doing the same for our
favorite medium of expression.
MJ Wallace
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:13:49 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I read an article that said that woodworkers shouldn't feel bad about
>depleting the tropical forests; if we bought nothing at all, it would just
>go into skids and paper.
Amen. I don't feel "bad" about it anyhow. They're __trees__ after
all, not mountains. God gave them seeds for a reason...CUT ONE DOWN,
PLANT ANOTHER ONE!! Geez, you'd think people could grasp that simple
concept.
In any case, there are so many tropical tree farmers out there you
really don't _have_ to buy "rainforest wood" to get beautiful exotics.
The dealer I get all of my exotics from gets his from sustainable,
"rainforest-safe" plantations, not the "bow-down-and-worship-us"
trees.
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"Tom Storey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:g4Tff.545255$tl2.149417@pd7tw3no...
>I would certainly buy into this idea. I see no reason why some of the
>exotics could not be part of a suststainable harvesting plan in their
>native lands. The farmers would probably make more from the trees by
>selling the wood than they do selling the crops they are clearing the land
>to grow.
>
The reason they clear to grow/graze is there's not enough to eat. Having
cash means little if there's nothing to buy. Ask any inhabitant of a
communist or formerly communist state.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>The reason they clear to grow/graze is there's not enough to eat. Having
>>cash means little if there's nothing to buy. Ask any inhabitant of a
>>communist or formerly communist state.
>>
>
> While much of what you say is true, at the same time, since they would
> have a marketable commodity, the ability to import food to buy while
> exporting lumber would be a readily attainable condition. There *is* an
> ample supply of food worldwide, the ability to import should not be an
> impediment as long as they have something with which to trade.
>
>
Foreign currency requirements? Couldn't earn or hold it in Comunist states.
Same problem in these third-world places, really. Hard currency is the
stuff of bribes and official pensions, not to be wasted on feeding people
who can scratch three crops out of a slash and burn....
I would certainly buy into this idea. I see no reason why some of the
exotics could not be part of a suststainable harvesting plan in their native
lands. The farmers would probably make more from the trees by selling the
wood than they do selling the crops they are clearing the land to grow.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just as duckhunters are the most "vocal" group promoting duck
> viability, perhaps as woodworkers we should be doing the same for our
> favorite medium of expression.
>
> MJ Wallace
>
"W Canaday" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I just copped a deal to get (nearly) free crate runners from a scrap pile
> in a major manufacturer near Detroit. (yawn)
>
> They are 8/4 x 4" goncalo alves in various lengths up to about 6'. (bling
> bling!)
>
> The deal? I have to replace the runners my source gives me with an equal
> amount of 'real' firewood. Since I get the 'real' firewood for little
> more than the energy to load it into my pickup truck, and since I only
> have to drive a little less than a mile to deliver it, I'm going to call
> "gloat". ;-)
>
You suck big time.
But what on earth are you going to do with all that GA? I love it, but it
is a bear to work.
Maybe the worlds prettiest deck?
I read an article that said that woodworkers shouldn't feel bad about
depleting the tropical forests; if we bought nothing at all, it would just
go into skids and paper. I guess you are evidence of that. GA paper?!
W Canaday wrote:
> I just copped a deal to get (nearly) free crate runners from a scrap pile
> in a major manufacturer near Detroit. (yawn)
>
> They are 8/4 x 4" goncalo alves in various lengths up to about 6'. (bling
> bling!)
>
> The deal? I have to replace the runners my source gives me with an equal
> amount of 'real' firewood. Since I get the 'real' firewood for little
> more than the energy to load it into my pickup truck, and since I only
> have to drive a little less than a mile to deliver it, I'm going to call
> "gloat". ;-)
>
> Bill
WOW you have a right to gloat. If you can't handle it all you can send
some my way.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Just as duckhunters are the most "vocal" group promoting duck
> viability, perhaps as woodworkers we should be doing the same for our
> favorite medium of expression.
No personal experience with this company myself, but I do know others
who have invested:
<http://tropicalhardwoods.com/htm/main/we_will_grow_trees_for_you.htm>
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:26:56 -0800, mjwallace wrote:
> Well, there were some drastic pictures this week of major damage being
> done to the rainforests in South America. It's real.
>
> Most, from what I know, of that wood is just burned. It's ONLY after
> someone realized that there could be a market for the wood does it bring
> in some sense into play. Managed forests can be both beautiful and
> substaining a commercial trade.
>
> Years ago, Ipe was just slash wood. Now it's a viable commerical
> product.
>
> Just as duckhunters are the most "vocal" group promoting duck viability,
> perhaps as woodworkers we should be doing the same for our favorite
> medium of expression.
>
> MJ Wallace
The way I see it, I am already doing the ecologically correct thing. At
this stage of the the game, the only point where I have a voice, the stuff
either comes to me or it goes to a landfill or it gets burned for
firewood. The wood that comes to me will see a second use, making this
beautiful wood stretch much further and thus reducing the stress on those
forests you mentioned.
As one of Jehovah's witnesses, I don't get myself all wrapped up in
politics nor do I hang out with those who do. But I can make my presence
known by how I, personally, treat the planet. Close to 100% of the wood I
use for turning comes from either windfall (literally) or bug-killed wood.
I'd say that I'm already 'doing the right thing'.
I might add that shipping wood half-way around the globe has a fairly high
environmental impact because of the fuel consumed in the process. By the
time I get this wood, that debt has already been incurred. It comes to me
with next to no environmental burden.
Bill